ZOMBIES! - Zombies take over for the win!!!

[Grimmy]

Ill be responding as I read this game from back to front.

If there are vigs in this game, I think they should stay quiet.

The reward for finding ONE or TWO possible recruits is outweighed by the potential benefit of being able to snipe more possible zombielords and/or recruits as the game goes on.

Grimmy
reading the game backwards.

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I've started growing basil by my back door so that I can put fresh basil on my turkey sandwiches. Fresh basil from your own garden is just so much more flavorful than store-bought.

I think the ZLs have some form of hunger post restriction in this game.

I think it is something else entirely.
MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE HALL OF JUSTICE
Im looking into the whole reck vs. evil lynch thing for today but im noticing a few other things I want to look into, such as tate's dropping under pressure, sly's ramblings and recks potty mouth. (just posting some things here so I can pick up where I left off later. I dont expect it to make sense to anyone else, but it doesnt have to yet until I can find something more credible to describe my thougts.)

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I am paying attention, I just don't see why others aren't, I'm going with partners not wanting to see their mate go down.

This brings up a very good question.

If we lynch a zombielord, do the minions he/she creates die as well or do they go on? if it is a situation where they would die too, I could see why one would defend the other. Something to think about...

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still reading.

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I dont think it is a joke. I do think it is a post restriction.

and now that ive read far enough back...

Vote: Reck

I dont beleive the cop claim. Also, on the very very very slim chance he IS what he says he is, his lynch would confirm Evilsnails guilt, thereby eliminating one more person off our list. Also, if he really was a cop, outing himself would make him useless to the ZL's at this point because they would really need to recruit more than they would need to eliminate PRs because of the death results from the past two nights.

and as far as the PR's go,

HoS: Pie

He is my second choice for a lynch.
Ive read through alot of what he has posted and I get a very strong scum vibe off of him.

As for the food comments, im expect we will see more of them as the days go on, and more light will be shined on to those who are color blind to which foods are good for you.

Grimmy

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BTW

I have now put RECK at L-1

i am happy with his lynch, but i dont want to see anyone post a "i didnt see Grimmy put that vote on him" posts afterwards.

Hammer ONLY is you are as sure as the rest of us are.

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ITT Grimmy sucks

wow. that TOTALLY convinces me that I am wrong. I feel so bad for voting now.
/sarcasm

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was trying to post seriously before bringing out the Wise-Ass-Grimmy

[Grimmy]

Yes, actually.

Who wants Sly to replace out?

Yes:
Pie

No:
Grimmy

Fixed

[Grimmy]

On Pie wanting to out PRs: Either way outing PRs is a bad idea, since it gives the mafia the choice. If killing PRs is good for town, then by knowing somebody is a PR, the mafia will know not to lynch him. I can't believe nobody saw this.

I saw this, but the more I thought about it, the more I saw a WIFOM situation developing, so I made a mental note and left it in my head.

But there is a flaw in how you posted it. The mafia would most likely NOT hold off on lynching a power role because it would save them the time of killing them at night, and they can try to recruit a VT who could be swayed to their side. Lynching a PR would benefit the mafia, as it narrows down their choices.

the WIFOM situation i was referring to was if I was to say I am a PR, then here is what can happen.
1) The mafia can NK me trying to recruit me, or
2) they can push for my lynch to get me out of the way or
3) they leave me alone and hope I dont use my powers on them while they have one less option to choose from in their attempts at trying to recruit a townie.

So me "outing" myself as a PR would help the mafia if I dont have a good reason to do so, like Evilsnail did when outing Reck as scum. Pr's should only claim when it would help us get rid of a mafia member, so the best case scenario for our PR's is to go one for one with the mafia and we can win this game.

Grimmy

p.s.
with CMAR's vote, does this mean we have a lynch?
(i need to double check this.)

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what are your thoughts on 1 Zombie (aka the "Zombie Lord"), which is why we can't seem to find scum?

I highly doubt it, especially with the number of players in this game, and the fact that we have any power roles at all.
if we managed to lynch the hypothetical one ZL on day one, the game would already be over. and given that our PRs cannot be converted, it would not be a balanced set up.

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the general idea of those who have NOT voted for reck is because of his cop claim.

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does not beleive the claim

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Pie is seriously looking worse and worse.

Seriously? Why would delaying the lynch of a ZL hurt the town?
not only is that a bad question, but the repitition of it makes you look even worse.

Reck is still my top suspect, but Pie is running a close second.

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I aint budging. I like the Reck lynch more than the pie lynch.

Ill most likely be pushing for the pie lynch tomorrow though.

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Dude, I'm a United States Sailor. I've been in for 6 years. Trust me, if I was insulting you PERSONALLY, you would fucking know it.

I love how YOU are the sailor, yet it is RECK cursing like one.

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as for the other comment. I do not beleive Reck's claim. I cast my suspicions about Pie, but felt we would know more with a Reck lynch.

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I still cannot beleive we let Reck live yesterday.

Vote: Reck

let the Re-cursing of us all begin anew

Grimmy
doesnt beleive that the best defense is being offensive

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So why SlySly last night?
-@Starbuck

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Reck claimed cop who sees infected or not infected.

he neevr claimed Sherrif. he also did not completely discount what ES said about him, but went the route of ES's results may have been altered somehow.

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an ES wagon isnt even needed.

If we beleive him, we vote for Reck

If we DONT beleive him, we consider him a recruit and dont waste a lynch on him because we want to lynch the ZL's and the recruits are a waste of time(days)

So its either we beleive him and lynch Reck, or we dont and just ignore him for the remainder of the game.

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Vote Reck

My feelings on this havent changed

Im impressed with the ZL lynch the other day though!
So now I want to go back and see who swtiched from the Reck to the Pie lynch, and then see who was avoiding the Al lynch. Ive seen AL play in a scum role where he expressly told his mafia mates to bus the **** out of him if they had to. So it wouldnt surprise me to see that here at some point.

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Starbuck could be a ZL that targeted me the night Evils blocked him.

This is feasible, because looking back at the night reports, it was always a POWER ROLE that got killed. the "limited shots" theory could be a cover for nights where starbuck may have gotten (or tried) for a VT to recruit.

FOS: Starbuck

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With MrSuave's absence, I wouldn't be surprised if it was him.

when was the last we heard from him anyway?

Im checking in and ill have more to post in a day or so as I catch up with RL work.

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Long Story Short: we have another zombielord running around and we have to figure out who it is, and quickly. we most likely have a few recruits out there as well, which will make life difficult for the rest of us.

Short Story Long: Anything by Dickens

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Let's start with who didn't want to kill reckoner. That wagon the day we killed Pie instead of Reckoner was very FAIL. LEt's kill everyone on that wagon. Then dance around and be appy because we won.

Pie (8)

Albert B. Rampage, xRECKONERx,

Starbuck, animorpherv1, Wolframnhart, bv310 (Now Percy),

CryMeARiver

, SlySly

I beleive Starbuck and Percy as town, and beleive it or not, I cannot see SlySly as the last ZL, so it narrows the list to Ani and Wolf.

More on this later in the week
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or Oddin is a recruit trying to protect Ani.

This is my guess.

Im also thinking that because we had doubts about Reck to the point we lynched someone else when he was declared guilty, the ZL's went after Oddin because Reck had "cleared" oddin, so if you beleived Reck, then you beleived Oddin was cleared, even if only for one night. So I think that made Oddin a recruit target.

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im under the assumption that is Mr Suave hasnt been modkilled yet, he isnt going to be.

After reading the past few pages or so, I have some questions in my mind about ani , wolf, and now starbuck.

The question I need to find an answer for is this.

Why would starbuck NOT vote for reck, but snipe a PR at night? If i remember correctly (which is why I have to look for this), he didnt want to even VOTE for a possible PR. So if that is the case, then why try to snipe a PR the next night?

Thats my suspicion laid out and ill get back to you all when I find some info on this.

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@percy

Why wolf? granted, he has flown under the radar thus far, but do you have a solid reason for suspecting him?

@Oddin
Thanks for clarifying that

@Starbuck
what made you choose evil over reck when they BOTH declared similar roles?

@grimmy

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I got a bad feeling about lynching Ani now.

something seems...off...about it.

Im on the fence about it trying to figure out if the wagon on ani is full of recruits and the ZL, or those are the ones NOT voting for ani now.

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@Grimmy: what, exactly, seems off to you? Do try to put it into words, otherwise you're not really helpful.
Also, you still didn't answer me: you said I was protecting ani; please explain where and how.

It seems off to me because on one hand, if ani is town, it looks like the ZL and recruits are sitting on the wagon waiting for a townie to do the final push off the hill.

...and typing this makes me more sure that ani is NOT the ZL.

so this means that ani is either a recruit they are trying to sacrifice to get the ZL to survive, or ani is town that they are trying to mislynch.

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as for the protecting ani thing, It was quoted more towards my beleif that you were a recruit, more than the protecting ani thing.

And for the record, Im pretty sure that Spyrex has been recruited. In trying to think like a ZL, i would try to recuirt players who are best suited towards swaying arguements away from scum and towards townies. Spyrex has been a good enough player to fill this role.

Another thought is that we may have lucked out if the ZL's recruited Mr Suave, cause it looks like he is going the way of the modkill, which may be why he hasnt has much interest in this game.

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unless starbuck is telling us ani is town and he was a recruit or something.

wait and see now, I guess.

as for who may be the last ZL is it is not ani...

I wanted to look more into the more quiet ones like wolf, but this may be the end of the game.

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A thought.

Im thinking Mr Suave may be the last ZL and the mod is hesitant to modkill him because it would end the game on a bad note.

Im running with it

Vote: Mr Suave

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so are we going to treat Mr Suave as a non entity to see if he gets modkilled or not?

Unvote

lets see who this turns out.

as for last night

The bad is that we lost a PR, but it also means that we did not lose a townie to recruitment.

so I am asusming the worst case scenario is one ZL and three recruits, and if we mislynch, we are up the creek as far as numbers go.

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I'm still upset that MrSuave has yet to be force replaced. This fucking ridiculous.

With that I agree.

I think it would be near impossible and practically useless to get a replacement this late in the game. So like it or not, we are stuck with him.

I will be looking into everything E K and Wolf have said/done this game, as I think there is a good possibility that the lazt ZL lies quietly.

I'll be pretty busy the next two days, so this will have to wait a little bit.

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Plus: in the Starbuck=town scenario, we are at LYLO, so make this lynch count.

I dont think Starbuck is the ZL. I think the ZL is hiding amongst the quiet ones (and Oddin apepars to be a strong enough player to pull of being the last ZL while appearing town, so I have to add him to the list of suspects).

but im leaning more toward EK or Wolfy on this hunch above.

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neeed some air (non work related surfing)

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Question: is it just me or has Spyrex been acting/posting...

differently

these past fee game days?

I meant to ask before but it slipped my mind.

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I disagree with a Spyrex, SLy, or Starbuck lynch.

Maybe cause they all start with the letter S?

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changes his name to Super Grimmy

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So why don't you stop telling us what we should do when it's already been done?

Make the world a better place, go play in traffic.

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A normally good player resorting to personal attacks is also a scumtell.

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Priceless!

Grimmy
reminds EVERYONE that this is still just a game, and getting mad at someone over the internet is like drinking poison and expecting the OTHER person to die.

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I dont think either of our current targets are the ZL and I think that the ZL and recruits have been dragging out the day in order to either a last minute mislynch or a no lynch due to uncertainty.

But I dont have a solid case on anyone else, but this is why I am not voting and this is where I stand at the moment.

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Im stuck with the line of thinking that one of these three are the last ZL

Wolfy
Elvis
Suave


now what Im wondering is that if its Suave, if we lynch a recruit we will win, as suave will be modkilled.

Why is wolfy cleared?
I saw some discussion about himbeing cleared but no reason why (that I can find)

I also think there is an equal chance that SPyrex and Oddin are recruits, along with ILord, so im also torn between those last minute lynches, which is where I think this will be going if things dont change IMMEDIATELY.

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torn

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another thought that hit me was that the discussion has been PURPOSELY led to a fight between Spyrex and Oddin in order to cover for the REAL ZL, as we would most likely lose if we dont hit the ZL

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And out of frustration, I open a new path for discussion.

Im going with my gut on this

Vote: Wolframhart

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let the sword fall where it may

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My best showing so far, and I lost.

I regret nothing.

Grimmy

wonders who would have been the last recruit.