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It was aimed at Killa Seven. If he has a good reason not to vote at all, I'd like to hear it. But of course, in case others refrain from voting, I would like to hear their reasons as well.Vel-Rahn Koon wrote:Is that aimed at anyone in particular FC?
I should have phrased that better yes.semioldguy wrote:Not planning to random vote is not the same as not voting at all.FC Groningen wrote:It was aimed at Killa Seven. If he has a good reason not to vote at all, I'd like to hear it. But of course, in case others refrain from voting, I would like to hear their reasons as well.
My experience on another site (this is one of my first games here) is that people sometimes need to be pushed into activity. Its very much possible that people lurk themselves through a game for a long time. I don't know how it works here, but forcing people to speak up usually works better than letting people having no opinion.Kast wrote:Page 1:
-K7 wagon: Assuming this game goes for awhile, K7's posting style could be used as a deciding factor later. However, a policy lynch on D1, especially one that's based on outside game meta, isn't going to help us find scum and is worse than random shooting.
-FC's reason sounds semi-serious. If it is serious, it's a scummy reason for voting someone. Lynch scum; replace inactives.
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-Wreckstar wagon: Is there any reason behind this wagon?
-SoG: is there a reason for your vote on Dex?
-Not much game relevance in any of these posts.
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-More random flavor nonsense.
@FC-
-Are you trying to imply that players who are not voting and do not have a specific reason for not voting are scummy?
--If so, provide explanation to support that implication.
My experience on another site (this is one of my first games here) is that people sometimes need to be pushed into activity. Its very much possible that people lurk themselves through a game for a long time. I don't know how it works here, but forcing people to speak up usually works better than letting people having no opinion.Kast wrote:Page 1:
-K7 wagon: Assuming this game goes for awhile, K7's posting style could be used as a deciding factor later. However, a policy lynch on D1, especially one that's based on outside game meta, isn't going to help us find scum and is worse than random shooting.
-FC's reason sounds semi-serious. If it is serious, it's a scummy reason for voting someone. Lynch scum; replace inactives.
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-Wreckstar wagon: Is there any reason behind this wagon?
-SoG: is there a reason for your vote on Dex?
-Not much game relevance in any of these posts.
Page 3:
-More random flavor nonsense.
@FC-
-Are you trying to imply that players who are not voting and do not have a specific reason for not voting are scummy?
--If so, provide explanation to support that implication.
My experience on another site (this is one of my first games here) is that people sometimes need to be pushed into activity. Its very much possible that people lurk themselves through a game for a long time. I don't know how it works here, but forcing people to speak up usually works better than letting people having no opinion.Kast wrote:Page 1:
-K7 wagon: Assuming this game goes for awhile, K7's posting style could be used as a deciding factor later. However, a policy lynch on D1, especially one that's based on outside game meta, isn't going to help us find scum and is worse than random shooting.
-FC's reason sounds semi-serious. If it is serious, it's a scummy reason for voting someone. Lynch scum; replace inactives.
Page 2:
-Wreckstar wagon: Is there any reason behind this wagon?
-SoG: is there a reason for your vote on Dex?
-Not much game relevance in any of these posts.
Page 3:
-More random flavor nonsense.
@FC-
-Are you trying to imply that players who are not voting and do not have a specific reason for not voting are scummy?
--If so, provide explanation to support that implication.
CryMeARiver wrote: I like Kast's way of posting, it seems to sum up everything quite well and form conclusions. I'm not liking FC's posting, even if he's active. He seems to be walking circles about the subject of lurking.
semioldguy wrote:Unvote; Vote: FC Groningen
I really dislike the way you unvoted. It has a small amount of foul odor.
If you are going to unvote, why not vote someone else?
If you are going to FoS someone, why not just vote him instead?
Could you shed some light on your insight behind why you did this the way you did?
See my earlier post. Assuming Semioldguy wasn't completely wrong about K-7 (that he always refuses to take part in the RVS stage), there was no more reason to vote for him, but you joined that bandwagon after. Post 95, so I also don't see how you "were the earliest on the wagon", or do I really missed your point here?TwoHeadedCyclops wrote:
We didn't push for a lynch, and we were the earliest on the wagon.
It made his pbpa looked more like scum scum hunting than town scum hunting to me.
Alrightwolframnhart wrote:This caught my eye.FC wrote:Well for the reason to unvote, see the post itself. My only reason to vote Dana was to get him posting, which he did although his post didn't add much. About not voting, I didn't see the point. I believe twoheadedcyclops had no votes at that time (might have been wrong here, didn't count) so a FOS would seem to have the equal effect as a simple vote.
Also, I don't think its time to "vote" yet. (As in trying to seriously getting people lynched or to L-1/L-2) There are plenty of votes already (mostly on K 7 and Wreckstar) and those guys started talking. At first I thought it was scummy not to take part in the RVS stage, but apparantly, also according to you, its very normal for K-7. Since we got that cleared out, I was surprised to see twoheadedcyclops join the K-7 bandwagon right after, which I described as "late". About Wreckstar's bandwagon, I also commented that it seems mostly random or based on disliking him.
I could simply vote for him now, since he'd be a considerable alternative now. (3 votes if I include mine? Sorry, its late so I fail at counting) However, I obviously wouldn't call for a lynch yet. Or will it be scummy now that I vote after being pressured into voting? Guess I'll find out soon enough.
1)Voted to get dana posting, but even though he says dana's post wasn't much, he isn't going to keep pressuring dana, just gonna leave it be.
2)Doesn't think it's "time to vote yet" but at the end of his post votes anyways
3)because another person said it was normal for k7 to not vote in RVS FC drops his case or investigation, whatever you want to call it, against k7
4)THC is a "considerable alternative" more or less to me means "people think he is scummy so that's where i am going" and so even though he won't call for a THC lynch, he is going to vote him anyways since he will be the third vote against him.
unvote, vote FC
1 To get him to vote at least. That way you always force someone to pick some side, even in RVS. Voting analysis, I bet I don't have to explain that to you.wolframnhart wrote:If you didn't expect a well based vote why bother voting him at all?FC wrote:1 He voted and there were no serious/well based bandwagons so far so I didn't expect a well based vote. His activity is lacking compared to other's but he did post. If you want more of him, feel free to pressure him yourself.
So you voted because if you didn't it would seem scummy? I find scum are more worried about what people think about their actions. Why would THC have to be the best alternative? Because he had votes against himself? You could have looked at the other players and found someone else2 Yes, my vote had other reasons. 1, I was asked to vote because it seemed scummy to withhold a vote, so I picked the best alternative there was according to myself. 2, I did and do not expect that this vote will lead to a lynch, but if Wreckstar or K-7 would get on 7 or 8, the odds might go up.youthought was scummy, but instead you went where other votes and suspicions were.
You are new to this site, but not mafia if i remember correctly from your posts in the Queue, and when semi-old guy voted you and started asking you questions you "believed him" about K7 and now have gone towards THC.3 Yep, I'm new to this site so I don't know any of you or how you all play. Since no one bothered to argue against semioldguy, I assume he was right. Also considering no one voted for K-7 afterwards except twoheaded, I think he was right as well.
as far as i see this is the only real time you mention anything against THC:4 I'm not convinced twoheadedcyclops is scum, but I do consider him more likely to be scum right now. Why? See my earlier post(s) about him and also because I think both alternative bandwagons aren't well founded as I've said a few times before. K-7 for not partaking in discussions apparantly and Wreckstar for personal reasons. I think the bandwagons on these guys will lead to nothing unless some new facts about these guys come up, so I do think it would be wise to change to focus to other people.Because he joined a bandwagon late. And how can you think that a bandwagon against someone who is not taking part in discussions (which is what you say about K-7) will lead to nothing?FC wrote:<snip>FOS: Twoheadedcyclops for joining the K7 bandwagon this late.
You may prove me wrong, but I thought one of the best ways to find scum is to force people to slip up/contradict themselves.hp [leaves] wrote:Kast's posting style bothers me. It is like he wants to force us to contradict ourselves.
I've answered all your questions. If you want to continue your case, you could at least respond to that, before you automatically expect to continue pressure.totallynotmafia wrote:Well I think you were right when you said it may be premature, I don't see the point in outing yourself as vig when he's up for the lynch anyway and you hadn't even voted for him yourself. Unless you're trying to take the heat away from FC.
I've answered all your questions. If you want to continue your case, you could at least respond to that, before you automatically expect to continue pressure.totallynotmafia wrote:Well I think you were right when you said it may be premature, I don't see the point in outing yourself as vig when he's up for the lynch anyway and you hadn't even voted for him yourself. Unless you're trying to take the heat away from FC.
ReaperCharlie wrote:I agree with wolframnhart on his assertion that Wreck Star missing a page isn't exactly grounds for an OMGUS vote on him by 2HC. Especially when he unvoted after he realized his mistake. (And doubly because of Vegas. btw, did you run into Alan or any tigers?)
After a re-read of the thread, I noticed the following things:
- hp [leaves] has posted only seven times, three of them votes: K-7 (policy lynch), WreckStar (random), and Kast (for not voting on anyone yet).
- AlmasterGM's posts have had little to no content (though he has promised to catch up and post by tomorrow),
- Toon Fighter has only posted 4 times. That's even less than bv310... -_-
- ScottBrosius is faux-lurking, only posting fluff, and not really adding anything to the discussion. Possible scumtell?
However, if I had to call anyone out on lurking it would have to be DragonsofSummer.
He has only posted twice, and one of them was a promise to catch up, which he doesn't appear to be following through on (or is he?).
Also, it was Konowa who originally voted for FC Groningen, not me. But as I read posts from wolframnhart , DragonPhoenix , and totallynotmafia , they certainly made FC look a lot more guilty to me. In response, FC posted 161 and 162. This helped him out a little bit in my estimation but I still think he is one of the guiltiest looking. And if the TwoHeadedCyclops bandwagon ends up fizzling out due to the Mason claim with wolframnhart, I suggest more hop onto the FC Groningen wagon and let's learn some more from this fine gentleman.
ReaperCharlie wrote:
1 However, I would also like the opinion of the following people, none of whom have weighed in since the wolframnhart/TwoHeadedCyclops mason claim, especially those who arebolded:
- d3x
-farside22
- CryMeARiver
-Dragon Phoenix
-Wreck Star
- killa seven
- Vel-Rahn Koon
- AlmasterGM
- Scott Brosius
- danakillsu
- totallynotmafia
-FC Groningen
- semioldguy
- DragonsofSummer
- bv310
2 - hp [leaves] & ooba have both danced around whether the mason claim verifyable, but have really only posted fluff... please post something more substantial.
3 Also, TwoHeadedCyclops has pointed out that Kast is playing like a lone predator, and has called him out as possibly being Boba Fett, which might in some odd way make sense with the Day Vigilante trait Kast claims to have (?). Either way, I am not sure whether that is a pro-town role or not, so I don't know what to think of that yet...
What makes you think I'm worried about the vote? I'm more surprised that you want to continue your case on me with nothing new and everything explained.totallynotmafia wrote:You do realise you're at L-7, surely the pressure isn't that great so why are you so worried about my vote?FC wrote:I've answered all your questions. If you want to continue your case, you could at least respond to that, before you automatically expect to continue pressure.
The mason claims make sense given that they are c3po and r2d2. Kast should claim his character seeing as we already know he's a dayvig.
Not asking you to move your vote, but I'm asking what motivates you to keep it. I've answered all questions so all I'm asking you guys is what makes me scummy according you?totallynotmafia wrote:I don't understand what you mean by continuing my case, it's not like I'm pushing for you to be lynched or anything, you're starting to look paranoid and as if you are feeling the pressure of the votes on you.FC Groningen wrote:What makes you think I'm worried about the vote? I'm more surprised that you want to continue your case on me with nothing new and everything explained.totallynotmafia wrote:You do realise you're at L-7, surely the pressure isn't that great so why are you so worried about my vote?FC wrote:I've answered all your questions. If you want to continue your case, you could at least respond to that, before you automatically expect to continue pressure.
The mason claims make sense given that they are c3po and r2d2. Kast should claim his character seeing as we already know he's a dayvig.
You don't agree that by learning Kast's character we could find out if he was lying about the dayvigging?CMAR wrote:Fish more scum
FC Groningen wrote:You may prove me wrong, but I thought one of the best ways to find scum is to force people to slip up/contradict themselves.hp [leaves] wrote:Kast's posting style bothers me. It is like he wants to force us to contradict ourselves.
Also, after putting HP in ISO, I can't say I'm very impressed with what you posted so far.
Ok I'm confused by your reasoning here. If you die, won't we know your role anyway? If so, how is you NOT claiming better for the town in any way?ReaperCharlie wrote:[quote="hp [leaves]I'm not claiming. Me not claiming is way better for the town.
I don't think I can convince Kast to not shooting me (obviously because he wants to shoot a townie) so expect these to be my last words. Good luck town, win this and lynch Kast the SK.
I won't be posting after this so it would make no sense to delay the daykill. Do it now.
Dude, have you seen your ISO? You've made 7 posts so far and the first 6 were regarding your RVS vote and your apparant lurking. So contributing less than you was impossible at that time and this case can be countered just as easily with "pot, kettle, black".bv310 wrote:Okay, caught up now. Reck, you need to calm your storm. The only other time I've seen you this jumpy and anxious has been in Halo where we were scum together. Wonder what that could mean here? Hmmm....
Either way, I'd like to throw my two cents in here. Scott Brosius in iso has as many posts as me, and has contributed even less. A rolefishing accusation is the only scumhunting he's done so far, and it's an easy claim for scum to make.
Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius
Your defence of hp is noted.totallynotmafia wrote:Why are people voting for hp without even hearing from him first? I think Kast is trying to be too much of a hero, and his dayvigging skill would be better used for vigging whomever we intend to lynch as it that saves us going to night.
O really? And what kind of town role would fit that description according to you?totallynotmafia wrote:I'm not defending him, I'm just suspisious of people who jump on a vote without even hearing from the person they're voting first. He could be a townie and be un-dayviggable for all you guys know. Those blasters couldn't shoot shit.
thats a lot of "if's" in 1 post, but I'm inclined not to believe one-shot cop claims that happen to be bulletproof as well.danakillsu wrote:What's idiotic is to assume he has that ability and to let him possibly use an amazingly powerful scum ability he has.It's idiotic to lynch hp now. We should let him live to use his ability first.QFT! I remember that. It's possible the mod set it up so that the only person Han COULDN'T shoot was Vader. And if hp has a good chance of being Vader, he has a good chance of having a powerful evil NK. And if he has a powerful evil NK, he should NOT be allowed to survive the day.Remember that part in Cloud City where Han Solo tries to shoot Vader like 6 times, only to realize that he's no longer holding his blaster, Vader's holding it?
Actually:danakillsu wrote:Yeah. Um... let me get my calculator.... 2. And those are really only dependent on one thing: him being Vader. If he's Vader (and we have reason to believe he is) he has a powerful evil... and I meant Night Action, not NK. Therefore he should be lynched today.thats a lot of "if's" in 1 post, but I'm inclined not to believe one-shot cop claims that happen to be bulletproof as well.