Left 4 Dead Mafia - Day 6?

[dramonic]

At this point, Cry, you need to stop posting and get clarification from mith. I'm not a fan of playing with cheaters.

And the mod should start looking for a replacement, because if he doesn't go, I'm requesting replacement because of it.

And thus I arrive as the new replacement!

Hello fellas!

[dramonic]

So...

Scummy people right now would be Socrates, jmj, Tar, with a possibility of DeathNote.
The Iffrin wagon is completely overgrown and bad.
Setup/item speculation needs to end.

What my predecessor was thinking... He wasn't?

[dramonic]

well, in his defense xo posted two fluffs and CMAR is mindless

[dramonic]

unvote: Whoever
Vote: Jmj

This is a good wagon.

[dramonic]

Pom, who are your top three suspects? Why? How plausible do think it is that they are paired together?

bv, jmj, and cramonic.

D1 I don't usually speculate about pairs much though- I just try to look for scummy people, and see how pairing works after a flip or two.

I am NOT crammy.

Also, we really should lynch Jmj over bv. bv seems kinda genuine absense. jmj's play is just... creepy or something.

[dramonic]

Sorry 'bout that, dram.

no harm done

[dramonic]

Bv has a grand total of 27 posts.


DocPotter has 21 (but has about the same contribution as bv).
Glork has 22 (but most of his are quite full of substance).
dramonic has 6 posts (and A LOT LESS contribution than bv).
thatguy has 26 (but has about the same contribution as bv).



Have you even looked at dramonic in iso? I don't understand how you can be voting for Bv for your reasoning and not be voting for dramonic.

I've been in the game for a much shorter period of time than those other guys.

[dramonic]

My L4D knowledge is null.
Anyone can confirm or infirm the claim, flavourwise?

[dramonic]

Possible disadvantage being the deadline is hella close and we'll probably end up with a NL if we dont do something soon.

I'm still skeptical about the jmj claim.

[dramonic]

Unvote
Vote: Bob

Not my fave candidate, but better that than NL.

[dramonic]

I'm gonna go WIFOM-ish here for a second, but I play with Amished in games often. I don't think he would set himself up by killing the two people who suspected him most. Someone could be trying to set up their case. That's one theory.


The other theory is just the exact opposite, but I don't know how that would be a smart move for scum.

Is it your belief that both kills could have been done by Amished? I find that highly doubtful. And suspicious, considering I dont believe anyone would consider a faction with a doublekill.

Inside info?

Vote: Izzy

[dramonic]

I'm gonna go WIFOM-ish here for a second, but I play with Amished in games often.

I don't think he would set himself up by killing the two people who suspected him most.

Someone could be trying to set up their case. That's one theory.

that part.

unvote
vote: Starbuck

mixing em up females x_x

[dramonic]

I've developped a strong gut-town-read towards him.

[dramonic]

Because I can't shake the feeling it's not intended to defend. At all.

[dramonic]

@Furry:

Starbuck protects Amished
She is lynched, she flips scum
Doesn't that make you suspicious of Amished?

[dramonic]

It comes down to the type of defense. Can't I be rubbed the wrong way in peace?

[dramonic]

@Starbuck
- Erm, 724 is a reply to 711.
- That What if thingy is a big chunk of the reason I'm suspicious of you
- First quote is furry, not I
- Nope

Also, Furry is really chainsawing the hell out of you.

[dramonic]

@dram - Why were you voting jmj day one?
Why are you no longer interested in him today?
Why no Amish vote if your AMB one was soley to ensure a lynch?
Able to explain the read on Starbuck vote yet?

Also im not chainsawing, im trying to get a scum read lynched. The case being pushed on Starbuck is some of the best evidence for it.

Because I didn't like his play at all, it seemed "not-genuine". Didn't you read what you quoted?
Because Star's post really threw me for a loop
Because I don't believe Amish was likely to be scum in any shape, way or form
I still don't like the post, I still feel bad about Star.

You are voting me for attacking her, therefore it qualifies as a chainsaw (if you're both scum, which doesnt seem that far-fetched to me)
Also your pushing me for a real weak reason if all you have is the "case" I made.

Geez, I prefer you when we talk sex XD

[dramonic]

WHY are people talking about the duel pistols being a possible item to turn a Survivor into a vig? This is incredibly silly!

I agree, pistols are obviously intended to shoot your eyes out to avoid having a zombie prostitute roleblock you.[/ sarcasm]

[dramonic]

You don't feel that Amished is scum.
I don't feel Amished is scum.

Therefore, I don't understand your case on me.

I believe you are really overreacting, for one thing.
I also believe Furry is reacting very virulently to something not aimed in any way, shape or form at him, which makes me feel you two have better chance than not at being scum together.
I suppose the idea of "case is weak-ass, nobody will follow it, ignore the moron" didn't come to you which I find flattering, but I'm sorry to say there isn't a more complex reasoning behind it than I feel you want to fake-fake-buddy onto him.

[dramonic]

You don't feel that Amished is scum.
I don't feel Amished is scum.

Therefore, I don't understand your case on me.

I believe you are really overreacting, for one thing.
I also believe Furry is reacting very virulently to something not aimed in any way, shape or form at him, which makes me feel you two have better chance than not at being scum together.
I suppose the idea of "case is weak-ass, nobody will follow it, ignore the moron" didn't come to you which I find flattering, but I'm sorry to say there isn't a more complex reasoning behind it than I feel you want to fake-fake-buddy onto him.

[dramonic]

You don't feel that Amished is scum.
I don't feel Amished is scum.

Therefore, I don't understand your case on me.

I believe you are really overreacting, for one thing.
I also believe Furry is reacting very virulently to something not aimed in any way, shape or form at him, which makes me feel you two have better chance than not at being scum together.
I suppose the idea of "case is weak-ass, nobody will follow it, ignore the moron" didn't come to you which I find flattering, but I'm sorry to say there isn't a more complex reasoning behind it than I feel you want to fake-fake-buddy onto him.

[dramonic]

erm, delete 2 of those.

[dramonic]

grab: Medkit

[dramonic]

The point is dramonic took my words and twisted them to make it seem like I thought that scum had 2 kills last night and that there couldn't be the possibility of an SK, vig or third party team.

Yes, that is quite clearly what I said.

[dramonic]

unvote
vote: Starbuck

mixing em up females x_x

answers your question AMB?

[dramonic]

There is another way a nameclaim can help town: Spotting a fake-claim.

Best case senario for town: Scum were given limited fake-claims; when used up, we'll see the remaining scum try to fabricate one.
Good case senario: All fake-claims have some flavour to suggest character may have been infected.
OK case senario: Some fake-claims have some flavour to suggest character may have been infected.
Worst case senario for town: Fake-claims are totally random, mixed in all characters.

Anyway, can I summarise the nameclaim suggestion? It is like a double-edged blade -- it will help town and hurt town at the same time.

You know, it may just be me but I feel your good and ok case arent really possiblye. If it hints at infection, its not a fakeclaim <<

[dramonic]

2. SCUM ITEM-GRABBING: If scum are to grab the item in question, they will secretly destroy the item and remove it from play. Town will NOT be notified that the item has been destroyed, they will only be notified that it is up for grabs.

[dramonic]

Unvote
Vote: Thatguy

I'm actually against Charlie on this one -_-

[dramonic]

It seems I'm the only one who was quite irked by your early day post, therefore no sense trying to build a wagon around it when everyone is just gonna go "meh, let's vote someone else"

[dramonic]

-I still believe Star's early post is suspicious.
-I dropped it only because no one agreed to my reading
-Thatguy's post are scummy and I'm not gonna unvote because its "too wrong to not be town" by your standards
-I still believe Amished is town, so yes, I wont vote him.

[dramonic]

This game is fresh for multiple prods.

[dramonic]

well, either way its not like he can fix anything. He fakeclaimed, failed horribly and is now being lynched.

[dramonic]

IT's too late to apologize *cue music*
The only way to clear you now is with your blood.

[dramonic]

that supposes Dusty is in the game.
Any reason we shouldn't believe it's a fakeclaim?

[dramonic]

EBWOP:
Safeclaim

[dramonic]

Grab: Pipe Bomb

What the hell is a pipe bomb anyways?

[dramonic]

thank you google for the swift answer.

[dramonic]

now it isnt.

[dramonic]

Dizzy, If you are going to get on something as minute as the location of the picture. I would like you to go back to my Post 999 and right click it. Take a look at the picture address -- http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/5/58 ... _super.png .

That's not from a Wiki.

Am I the only one who believes Starbuck just ran a ten-foot pole through her remaining town-cred?

[dramonic]

would that be the hammer?

[dramonic]

reading the scene might help you know...

Vote: Dizzy

[dramonic]

Inconsistency between a claim PM and a known town PM [...] is a perfectly logical reason to disbelieve a claim.

Good news for you is I agree. Bad one is that the known town PM is Thatguy, you're the disbelievable claim.

[dramonic]

Inconsistency between a claim PM and a known town PM [...] is a perfectly logical reason to disbelieve a claim.

Good news for you is I agree. Bad one is that the known town PM is Thatguy, you're the disbelievable claim.

And it makes sense for Izzyscum to essentially ensure she gets lynched just to get a lynch on someone who could easily have been lynched without any intervention because...?

Yeah, that's the problem, it doesn't
However you 3 having diverging pics make me suspicious.

[dramonic]

I think you'd be the first to know if she was.

[dramonic]

damn it reck, dont delete your posts ;_;

[dramonic]

I'm pretty sure BV is town actually. If he were scum he'd most likely have "used" the bile as quickly as possible on the dead body.

[dramonic]

Can we get a dramonic or Amished or ReaperCharlie lynch today?

Any reason why the three of us specifically? I fail to see the link.

[dramonic]

Grab: Defribrillator

[dramonic]

Because you think I'm scum or because you think he's town?
Because both of those could potentially be argued against.

[dramonic]

every living player is elligible, 25% of the players can attempt to grab an item, rounded down.
You missed the train.

[dramonic]

Unvote
Vote: DeathNote

Why do you know for a fact JMJ got the item, and why do you know it must be a doc protect, and why are you ever under the impression it somehow confirms him?

[dramonic]

Unvote
Vote: DeathNote

Why do you know for a fact JMJ got the item, and why do you know it must be a doc protect, and why are you ever under the impression it somehow confirms him?

First off, you misunderstood what I said. I was saying whomever gets the defibrillator to use it on JMJ as he is cleared by Starbuck. I assumed a defibrillator would be a doc protection of some sort.

Unvote

Ah. Confusion X_X

But, assuming that is not what I meant. Did you really just vote me because I claimed to know someone got an item and what that item does? Is that your basis for scum now?

It's my basis for "this guy has inside info, thus he is scum."

[dramonic]

ive been away for the weekend, getting done with my reading.
also, its Glork, not Golrk

[dramonic]

I thought I already mentionned Amished was town?

[dramonic]

Ugh, I hate large games:

@Dramonic: Who do you most suspect and why?

I'm still really unconfortable with Dizzy's claim stuff and still want her lynched. Call me hard-headed if you so wish.

[dramonic]

Vote: Dizzy

[dramonic]

Dramonic, answer my question or I'll day-vig you.

The scene comment was a (late) answer to starbuck, and I've made my opinion on dizzy clear. Also, I'd advise against day-vigging me.

[dramonic]

What are the pills for, Dizzy?

[dramonic]

that's an interesting mechanic.

[dramonic]

Unvote

[dramonic]

Which is?

Roleblocking, Redirection, Rebound, whatever.

Just noticed, am I the only one who finds it weird that pills are YET another DV item? The pistols were a DV the next day too.

HoS: Dizzy

[dramonic]

let me return the question Dizzy, how likely is it that there be 2 day DV?

[dramonic]

let me return the question Dizzy, how likely is it that there be 2 items for DV?

[dramonic]

Ah, indeed I've misread.

CArry on.

[dramonic]

Ah, indeed I've misread.

CArry on.

[dramonic]

:rolleye:
Do you have any idea how ridiculous the idea of a day-roleblocker is, let alone the concept?

[dramonic]

@SPS: That case is GREAT!

Unvote
Vote: SPS

Please die.

[dramonic]

Haha sweet, I got the Molotov! And it has a confirmable ability. If I throw the Molotov cocktail, I create a distraction wiping out all the votes on a player of my choice (and making him unlynchable for the day).

That is completely ridiculous.

[dramonic]

Idea.
We get Izzy and SPS to target each other. Then we run up a lynching majority on them both.

...
You know, by definition you can't have a majority on two people, right?

[dramonic]

If one of them dies when we try it means we lynched the town and let the mafia survive the day.
Is that REALLY what you want?

[dramonic]

im still skeptical as to how lobbing a bomb at someone is sposed to make them impossible to lynch, just saying.

[dramonic]

correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldnt it be more intelligent to use it on, say, jmj the confirmed town?

[dramonic]

I highly support Issue no.1!

[dramonic]

So... I spose we wait for Reck/kise to pop in and gimme the pills and then we wagon myself to the edge.

[dramonic]

Also, for curiosity's sake. Do you even consider AlmightyBob to be town?

[dramonic]

ooh, I,ve received ze pills!

[dramonic]

vote: Dramonic

whut, me?

[dramonic]

So now someone vote me and unvote in a second post right after.
RC, you do it. Don't wanna be hammered by accident

[dramonic]

SaintKerrigan, we can't make that assumption. You're viewing the pills as an item still; I'm thinking it is more of an effect of the item. Dizzy should be able to clear things up. Or the mod.

But if scum destroys the item in the first place, then scum shouldn't experience the effects of the item.

Using that logic we can assume if town uses the shotgun on scum the scum won't die. <<

[dramonic]

SK: Please try to read the game completely before commenting randomly -_-

Unvote
Vote: ReaperCharlie

Yeah for caught scum. Nice catch Izzy ;D

[dramonic]

Well, I admit that I missed that, but this means that you are also not confirmed as a townie then, because you could have only

pretended

to give him the pills and he could have

pretended

to receive them, when in fact they had already been long destroyed!

Yeah erm, no.
We tested against that happening, see?
We voted me to what would have been a lynch without the pills.
I'd be dead if she was scum

You can give up now.
Just self-vote and end your misery.

[dramonic]

the debacle yesterday was really not enough to tip you off?

[dramonic]

Bicker...

Bicker Bicker!

Bicker?

Bick-Bicker!

[dramonic]

bicker?

[dramonic]

wait... the witch didn't even KNOW she was the only thing able to kill me 0_o

talk about rotten luck >_<

[dramonic]

Children, settle down and stop bickering. Geez...

... fuckin witch <<