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It's not that I don't approve of the farside wagon, it's that you are obviously scum. In fact, the fact that you are trying to call me out for not approving the farside wagon, a clear misnomer because I never stated such sentiments, is in fact incredibly suspicious in itself.Papa Zito wrote:Seraphim doesn't approve of the farside wagon. Why's that, Seraphim?-
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If CKD is doing what I think he's doing, then he is not being scummy. By all means, continue to scrutinize him but I am going to follow other leads.
Bv310 - could you please explain how prolonging the random stage would help scum find the "weak town"? I have never heard anything like this before...true, I could have missed it in my absence but otherwise...
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I disagree. The benefits to the scum in question is minimal and it puts them in the hotseat. I have never considered prolonging the RVS a scumtell and you have not convinced me otherwise.bv310 wrote:Seraphim, I've found that it's always scum who try to draw out the RVS in order to get it a bit closer to deadline before the actual play begins. It's usually not close enough to make a difference, but it gives a bit extra time to look for either breadcrumbs (in a theme game) or slight PR-tells.
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I don't want Richard lynched but I do want to see more votes on him. I'm not letting him get away with this 'gambit' bullshit unless he pulls out some analysis. I don't care if he's inexperienced or not, wallowing in self-pity does the town no favors. Under pressure, scum will often pull 'gambits' as a way to take pressure off themselves. Nope. Not gonna happen.
As for the lurker hunters...
Mod: please prod both Anon and DocPotter
...is a lot more productive than voting them. If they haven't posted yet, they may not even be watching the game and your pressure and main focus is doing nothing.
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So, is he newbie-scum or very whiny town?bv310 wrote:I think Richard is town, but very whiny town. And not by a big slot either. He seems to grasp the game quite well, but his little tantrum and subsequent backpedaling to say he was reaction-fishing just seems really forced. He seems to be playing the newbie-scum stereotype quite fully.-
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FoS: All 'lurker hunters'
I don't know how many of you are scum or not. All I know is that your crusade is not helping anyone and is getting on my nerves. It's not scum hunting because you have no reason to believe DocPotter is scum. If he doesn't post today, he'll be replaced. Big effing deal. It's the first week of the first Day. By focusing solely on the lurkers, you are acting like them by not participating in the game and giving us little or no read on you. Use your vote to hunt possible suspects and let the mod do his job.
Anon's recap post is terrible. Richard is not an 'easy target', Richard is a player with strange anti-town behavior that needs more consideration and more pressure. He's been backpedalling and doing all sorts of scummy stuff. Not to mention jumping on a wagon based on the RVS based on this craplogic is very bad. Very bad. I wouldn't doubt that if Andrew is scum, Anon is scum with him.
dybeck, why ABR?
If I had another vote, I would be voting bv310. He's straddling the fence like a horny anteater. He's still voting Porochaz for 'extending the RVS'. Bullshit. Not to mention, as stated earlier, his posts just scream scum to me.-
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This doesn't discount the point that you haven't taken a serious stand on anything.bv310 wrote:
Parroting PZ too? Nice.Seraphim wrote:If I had another vote, I would be voting bv310. He's straddling the fence like a horny anteater. He's still voting Porochaz for 'extending the RVS'. Bullshit. Not to mention, as stated earlier, his posts just scream scum to me.-
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No, he said it was which doesn't really fit into your furious town postulate. Sounds like pissed off scum trying to cover his ass to me.Anon wrote:
did he say his "lynch me now" was not a gambit?Seraphim wrote:Please explain, since you are such an expert at reading players, why he backpedaled and then said his 'lynch me now' statement was a gambit.-
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I still think it's serious backpedaling. Your other points are valid but could be applied to scum too. It also ignores his later play where he seems, to me, strangely smug. I disagree with Farside's intent to lynch...I haven't decided if he's scum yet, only that he needs more pressure until he coughs up the analysis his "gambit" gave him.-
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In terms of meta, I tend not to use it in a lot of my normal play. However, when I'm getting a gut feel on someone rather than anything concrete, I'll read a person's play as town to see if I'm getting the same feeling. It's really just for my own personal benefit.
I'm not voting bv because I want answers from Richard first and unvoting him now will drop the pressure on him. I'm talking about in sort of a glorified FoS manner.
Keeping an eye on lurkers is fine, voting them when there are suspects and discussions on the table? Especially when the lurkers you are hunting haven't even posted yet? That's almost as bad as lurking. It's too early to have players dedicated solely to lurker hunting.
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I think Richard is town, but very whiny town.He seems to be playing the newbie-scum stereotype quite fully.I'm not sure yet. I'm leaning towards newbie-scum, but that's not enough to warrant a real wagon.he seems slightly scummier after a quick iso-read.I don't know what to call him now.That dramatic a turnaround and AtE seems very much like scum trying to cry their way out.Unvote[/quote]
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I just feel like Richard is exhibiting VI behavior. Also, my feelings towards the wagon are influenced by the fact that my major suspect(bv) in on there along with a few other players I have questionable reads on.
Richard: summarize your play so far in the game in five words or less.
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Richard wagon: seven votes.Pomegranate wrote:
I've played with him before, and he didn't act like this at all. Also, I'd say that bv is the most popular wagon right now.Seraphim wrote:Why does it seem like Pomegranate is just jumping on an easy wagon? Subsequent rereads takes Richard as more of a VI than scum...
bv310 wagon: five votes.
I'd support either if deadline hit but that's two weeks away. Also, looking back, I missed him(Richard) using meta to defend himself which is terrible...I still like my vote though.-
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Richard's post disturbs me.
You need to stop wallowing in self-pity and start scumhunting. Honestly, the entire "world against me" attitude is getting so old. Whenever I try to get information to get a read on you, you freak out. If you're town, it's distracting and looks terrible. If you're scum, you are going to get lynched.
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Do you find Richard more or less scummy than ABR? Explain your answer.bv310 wrote:ABR, in 17 posts you haven't said anything. Now you're just switching to a townie wagon with no reasoning whatsoever?HoS: ABRAnd no, this is not meta. Most of your games you at least contribute on a cursory level
@Richard: why do you think bv is scum?
@ABR: why do you think bv is scum? What do you think of him HoSing you? Does it make him more or less likely to be scum in your eyes?
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You didn't answer my question: is Richard more or less scummy than ABR?bv310 wrote:I find them both scummy, but for different reasons. Richard is scummy to me in is reactions to pressure, while ABR is scummy for his lack of contribution and jumping on popular bandwagons. (Although he does seem to play like that in any game I'm in with him)-
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I think your descriptor of where the scum are fits bv quite well. He hasn't done anything 'controversial'...if you think that is the accusation being leveled at him, then you obviously haven't been reading the game.
I am voting bv310 for being too passive and too agreeable and too willing to take whatever stance is popular. In fact, I'm not sure if he's had one original position all game.
Sando post 96 wrote:Why are people in this game seemingly obsessed with staying in the RVS, every time we start getting vagueling non-random conversation we apparently need more ant-eaters.
Notice he has no problem with this extended RVS until after Sando starts actively attacking it. His next post, 110, is just blustering something I've never heard of about scum using the RVS to find weak breadcrumbs or PR-tells.bv310 post 97 wrote:I can think of a few reasons. Namely, scum trying to prolong the random stage so that they can get a handle on who the weak link in town is.
After that, he proceeds to waffle on Richard's alignment, which I've already pointed out and do not feel the need to point out again.
He also attacks Esp for "pointing out" that Papa Zito is vig. It's a joke at worst, WIFOM for the scum at best. So why does he attack it so vigorously? Because he thinks he's taking a pro-town position, "blending in".
He also mentions his 'lurker meta' quite a bit which is odd because, to my knowledge, he has not lurked at all. It seems like an excuse to coast through the game.
bv had also been attacking Richard a lot, a large wagon that has achieved a lot of popularity from the beginning of the game. Easy to jump onto. Easy to get off of if the popularity declines. However, he does not jump onto the wagon until I pressure him to. Sounds like coasting to me.
bv as a player has been too passive and too easy to agree with whatever the popular position is at the time. His play, compared with the other players under suspicion, raises the most red flags for me and obviously for others.
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Mod: Can we get a prod on bv310?
I feel like Richard and bv are slipping underneath the radar...neither have provided good explanations for their play.
I am also getting very bad reads from dybeck. His 180 on ABR is very suspect due to his sudden shift in reasoning...erratic =/= pro-town but erratic =/= scum either. One needs to take his play in the context of the game...dybeck might be making an opportunistic leap onto a budding wagon. I don't like Pom's play much either. This I can't articulate.
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In terms of votes, no. Hence the quotes. I think a lot of people have agreed with the overall sentiment, though.Ojanen wrote:
Look at the votes casted, not true.Seraphim wrote:Espeonage. In the last few pages, it has been the most 'popular' wagon, I think.
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First point: yes. But you said you weren't feeling the bv wagon...do you think it warrants your consideration now?dybeck wrote:A good solid read of the game would be good from bv310.
Seraphim: what's your general impression of the players ON the bv wagon? Generally town? Or some bussers on there?
Second point: bv wagon = Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
hmmm...if we assume I'm town, I feel the town is the majority here. Richard is VI, I think. That doesn't excuse his play but that's what I'm feeling right now. That's likely to change if he doesn't get off his lazy ass and post. Espeonage is most likely to be bussing scum...I don't get that feeling from Richard.-
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So, you think the wagon on bv310 isn't warranted because several suspects of possible scum are on the wagon? Well, I disagree. Good scum play is playing like town. Whether or not you're voting your partner, you should a player who is scummy. bv is scummy. People will be voting him. If he's scum, added bonus.
Though, TBH, I think it's too early to be looking for bussing...once we get some flips, then we can talk about it.
Also, Espeonage, please enlighten us on...something. Seriously.-
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While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought. I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation.
Seeing as the Nick wagon is based on a really strange contradictory statement he made, I will wait for him to explain himself. In the meantime, time to check up on this Espeonage guy...-
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