Last Will Mafia II (Over)

[Pittbunny]

Vote: Pittbunny

He knows why.

I'll keep you my dirty little secret (dirty little secret)

Vote: Twomz

because games I'm in with him never end well.

[Pittbunny]

Twomz needs more votes.

This feeling you have is actually counterintuitive. The more scummy I feel early on, the more likely I am to be town and vice versa. Ask CMAR, Pitt and anyone else that's played with me.

Sad but true. You're a crafty one. Guess how I'm thinking you are right now. =P

[Pittbunny]

Always Think He's Scum
Can't Trust Him Cause If I Do I'll Be Dead
Eh

[Pittbunny]

Never understood why there had to be discussion on the end of RVS. It's like trying to artificially control a natural process. Not to mention there will ALWAYS be the "OMG RVS ENDER VOTEVOTEVOTE" retaliatory post, as shown above.

[Pittbunny]

Fine, if you want me to be completely accurate, 'there will be a reasonably certain chance that someone BLAH BLAH BLAH"

Nitpicker.

[Pittbunny]

Dia=Lazy. I haven't posted much content, definitely not enough to =town me.

[Pittbunny]

of course it does SSBF RV people is all about watching reactions to people being randomly voted your essentially looking for people to do WHY ME posts.
UNVOTE:

I thought RV was seeing how many

licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop

votes it takes before someone gets emotional enough for others to comment, thus starting the actual argumentative section of the game?

[Pittbunny]

Yes, but I just had to make the tootsie roll comment. Also, I was implying that I think going too deeply in to RVS analysis is a trap.

[Pittbunny]

Well gee, I didn't see that coming.

[Pittbunny]

He could still have a post restriction.

Find the keyword that triggers his post restriction, and I'll believe you. Until then, SV is being a douche (as I've come to expect from him), and I'll be attempting to endure it.

I'd also note that it's hard to dictate with

text

. Seems more like an oral activity, honestly.

[Pittbunny]

EBWOP: And thus, every frat boy in earshot replied "That's what she said."

[Pittbunny]

Anyway. I don't see the need to get riled up because of a purportedly fake daykill. In fact, those that are are likely just stirring up trouble.

[Pittbunny]

I'm calling

SLIPUP

as if I ever wrote a "Who I think is townn list" i would ALWAYS involve myself, but you didn't. WHY, coz your scum? Or a 3rd party.

Unvote VOte:Diacria

Lolwut. Wouldn't that be considered overthinking?
Millar, I think you're reaching a weee bit much if you're trying to get a reaction with that post.

[Pittbunny]

At this point I'd prefer to call Millar a troll. I wonder if he has a role that thrives off of trollness.

[Pittbunny]

SHHHH, that's the Role-That-Must-Not-Be-Named!

[Pittbunny]

I'd still like to know what kmd saw on page 3 for a scum read on Twomz and Nacho.

[Pittbunny]

Raider, you must really enjoy doing that. =D

And Millar misses the swing again.

[Pittbunny]

Twomz, JOAT or inventor?

It's probably not within my best interests to get that one-shot.

[Pittbunny]

The "It's okay if I get nightkilled" caveat you're implying with that claim is interesting.

[Pittbunny]

Cute, Dia.

@Millar: Then you'd better scumhunt to the best of your ability.

[Pittbunny]

What the hell did you do to those tags.

SSBF, though I get the most odd feeling that someone was pushing me to consider that route. Most odd indeed. =P

[Pittbunny]

Actually, no. Size 300 font did it more.

[Pittbunny]

SV, I liked you more in the first game I played with you.

[Pittbunny]

The one where I died

Wait, that doesn't narrow it down at all.

[Pittbunny]

Wasn't that just answered?

[Pittbunny]

Why would we want to see your avatar three times before we move on to the next person? =P

I'm going to do a reread tomorrow; I'd preferred to have done it today, but a mid-life crisis of a father decided to enter me in to a design competition next year and wouldn't leave me alone about the details for the last 7 hours.

[Pittbunny]

A princess sounds an awful lot like flavor. Outguessing the mod is not good but seeing as my role has no flavor is sounds like a fake role. Seeing as you are defending it that narrows things down.

It's a role name with an associated ability. I see not your argument involving implausibility due to flavor.
I'm also going to have to agree with Rhinox's latest analysis.

Unvote Vote Raider

[Pittbunny]

Charlie, are you doing 'that' on purpose?

[Pittbunny]

Not yet. If I did, that would ruin the point of me asking.

[Pittbunny]

I'm sorry, Pitbunny? Can you clarify?

I believe I know what he's on about, and I, too, would like an answer. But I guess I'll HAVE TO HAVE PATIENCE.

I DON'T HAVE PATIENCE DAMMIT

It's probably pathetic that I derive slight pleasure in that.


I'd like to see Charlie post some more.

[Pittbunny]

Somewhat agree, considering that I try to vary some aspect of play each game (still looking for my niche). Still, previous games are good for syntax analysis.

[Pittbunny]

I doubt I'll ever look town to you, Nacho. xP

Ani, stop replacing in to games with me in it. It's creepy.

[Pittbunny]

Meme is growing old. Also, I dare someone to respond memetically.

@Raider: Tunneling is fun in large games.

[Pittbunny]

Shattered Viewpoint refuses to succumb to Pittbunny's demand.

But you just di...

Nevermind. I was just going to avatar-reply the next person to nodictatepost.

[Pittbunny]

You don't get to dictate these things, you know.

Unvote

Vote: Pittbunny

Just for you ^__^

Unvote;
Vote Xite

[Pittbunny]

Despite me saying I'd do something of the sort....a few posts back. Right.

[Pittbunny]

...

[Pittbunny]

Goddamn, it really doesn't work on your avi; it's took small and packed with cuteness. There isn't much to mock. >>

[Pittbunny]

It might help if your avatar were less dreary, Rich. See: GD discussion.

Unvote Vote Raider

[Pittbunny]

This isn't the only game I recently voted him in. Conversation dropped now.

[Pittbunny]

@Rich, if you're finding it that people have a natural disinclination to join your wagons, you should try to modify your image (that is to say, your presence of mind) to at least encourage better results. An avatar and/or sig are pretty standard ways to quickly encourage differing results. This is assuming that you don't want to change your current playstyle. Anyway, this is a tangent. My raider vote is there for the reasons it was a page back, I'm just putting it back after the xite shenanigans.

[Pittbunny]

Raider is also town.
raider8169 (7) - Charlie, Rhinox, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Chevre, nachomamma8, RichardGHP, CSL
^^^There is scum here.

You cited 7 people out of 25. From a pure probablistic case, you've got a good chance to be right. However, I don't see why scumonwagon = town, even if you could confirm the fact.

By the way, throw me on that list too. I think the mod overlooked my vote.

@Mod: I think you overlooked my latest vote =p

~Corrected

[Pittbunny]

Okay. Congrats. You might have nailed one or two scum, once you sift through the entire list via whatever method you choose. Meanwhile, the rest of the game is still going on.

Your statement is a null-point that only looks like aggressive scumhunting.

[Pittbunny]

It might be; when you compare several wagons, quotes, case points, etc. Picking one wagon and making a safe statement is not Wagon Analysis.

[Pittbunny]

I mean that quotes and cases are sometimes not really necessary at all.

When you have other evidence to carry weight. Otherwise, your statement is akin to saying "One person in six is related to Genghis Khan" and then showing six people and saying "We've got a descendant in there." Well yes, probably, but we're not all the better for being told that fact. You still hadn't whittled down just which person might be scum, and your statement doesn't tell much about the other 17 or so players. Hence why it's null to state that.

I agree that in a wagon that large, it's not unlikely to find scum. I think raider is scum, and have for quite a few pages. My choice for busser would be Rhinox, assuming only one scum.

[Pittbunny]

No, but I do like understanding gambling methodologies. One of those "Wanna understand something I naturally suck at even though I'll keep sucking at it" kind of deals.

[Pittbunny]

Big mistake, buddy.

(No, "buddy" is not a breadcrumb.)

Was that entirely necessary?

[Pittbunny]

And Xite just went up mine for no particular reason.

Agree on the stalling.

[Pittbunny]

I was going to FoS for that, but now that you've ruined the opportunity...


I'm going to have to agree with Rhinox's instigation on Chrono, however I'm only going to

FOS Chrono

for it, because I like where my vote is.

[Pittbunny]

Hah, Ani's gonna lose his Ythanity.

[Pittbunny]

A wise person (on the internet, regarding internet arguments) once said: Save the drama for the llama. Appropriate!

Once again: more votes on raider/toothless/SSBF.
Reasoning for SSBF is mainly gut, don't rely on that being serious at the moment.

Wackawut.



@SSBF: Pass. Values of contribution can change by the day. Scum are scum always, unless the mod is a bastard.
Also, EAST? O.o

[Pittbunny]

Unvote Vote Shattered

L-1.

[Pittbunny]

Riiight.

[Pittbunny]

Vote CSL

For Magua's Inventor-Diacria analysis, and for following Charlie on a policy lynch instead of at the very least reaffirming what's been making millar seem so scummy.

[Pittbunny]

Neutral

Pittbunny - Lots of fluff posts, following wagons without contributing more... I expect more from you PB >.<

Yeah, I'm going to have to admit that my latest attempts at MS sans the recently finished DiC mini have been pretty crappy. For you, I'll try to step up. =P

@Charlie: One word agreements/disagreements for a laundry list isn't doing all that much. Piggybacking off of someone else's list without a meaningful supplement is active-lurking at best, and diverting attention at worst. I understand that you want to post what initially seems to be a long post to counteract the ills of such short posts as:

An interesting case on me there, SSBF. After reading it, I become more convinced that I'm town.

Nachomamma8's case on EGL is goodposting.

and the more recent (and even less useful)

I'm already voting for the scum!

however, you're still adding nothing. To be direct, your last three posts are fizzy. The most recent is a weak attempt at contribution, the next is a worthless post that isn't even attempting anything short of an anti-prod, and the third is deriding SSBF's case without any sort of counterpoint while attempting to buddy to Nacho, presumably due to Nacho's comment about having to convince certain kinds of people with screenspace.


Better, Twomz? =P

[Pittbunny]

You are fishing with these.

[Pittbunny]

Ythan: Ever heard of giving someone the benefit of the doubt? It's fun; you should try it some time.

Appeal to faith aside, psuedo-scummy posting to pull attention usually works well if you do it to the point where you can succinctly pull a reversal with the data accumulated. Since you obviously did not satisfy those conditions, what with the consistent focus on you and no set of posts which have successfully steered focus off your wagon, you kind of failed your gambit. So, there's no supplemental reason to trust in faith, which means that in a game of interpreting reactions, such a request falls on deaf ears. To be honest, I am trying to understand WHY you felt the need to justify an OMGUS vote. The easy interpretation of that is backtracking, which is almost exclusively a scum/non-town flaw. So, is there any reason for me to believe something other than the simplest interpretation?

[Pittbunny]

So when faith fails, you switch to logic. Also, your logic had a few gaps (at least two of which are alignment-related) so I'm not liable to believe your final assertion. At all. You supposedly ran a gambit, and then pulled out before you could get a meaningful amount of data, thus making you worse for the wear. That's a lot of information that can be processed to determine alignment likelihoods.

[Pittbunny]

Xite, this ^^^^ is why I switched my vote. It's funny you said you got your eye on me cause we basically said the same thing in our posts, I just unvoted and put my votes back on charlie >.>

I unno, I've done worse than that before.

@Ragequit: 'True' ragequits don't function on a logical basis. Ragequits meant to preserve the playerslot are logical, but stupid. That is to say, the RichQuit isn't a 100% Scum indicator, but it's not particularly favorable to his case. As a townie you acknowledge that you are, for the most part, expendable, especially if your skills of perception or debate aren't as strong as other townies. To quit, from the logical perspective, as a townie does nothing but stifle or distort information on your playerslot, which will usually go against your win condition. It's correct to note that this mentality does not apply so well to scum or third-party, hence why the quit, logical or not, leans naturally more towards scum side than town side.

@Roleclaim: Don't believe the claim, frankly. However, there's always the obvious method of testing your claim: Let you live precisely one night. I doubt that scum would want a Vig+ to survive the night (I say Vig+ as that is essentially what you claim; a vig that, under very precise circumstances, protects his target instead of killing them). In addition, you are going to target who you perceive to be the scummiest player possible. You will then have to justify it, fully, on D3, or face obvious consequences. Sound good?

[Pittbunny]

Sounds about right, actually. Although, I don't quite follow about the content/answers bit.

I don't suppose I could trouble you to point out said questions?

[Pittbunny]

Why should a claimed CPR Doctor be lynched, again?

And obviously he can't just say "oops, a townie died" now that we're telling him to target who he finds scummiest...

He shouldn't be. Today, anyway. See: Vig+ rationale, above.

[Pittbunny]

@ PB: Look at my case and other's cases on charlie, then look for his responses to them... they aren't there. He's been ignoring every point against him and refusing to comment.

Ah. From your phrasing, I thought that you were claiming that I was question-dodging, which confuzzled me.
And yes. I really don't mind, though, it's a case that can be referred to in the future without a sufficient counterargument.

[Pittbunny]

To everyone saying we should give Richard the opportunity: are you definitely going to simply lynch him if no kill appears from him tomorrow?

Of course not. Circumstantial evidence is circumstantial for a reason; if information is brought forth that is perceived to be valid that supercedes the Rich case, then odds are that would take priority. For all practical purposes, however, we're telling scum "Hey, you have a Vig+ to be wary of; waste time on him or potentially suffer the consequences." If they completely ignore Rich, there is always the chance of him actually pegging scum with CPR, and they will be all the worse for it. If they roleblock Rich, then that's a roleblock that hasn't been used on a currently unclaimed role. And if they kill Rich, it's a lynch we didn't have to waste. Lastly, if Rich is scum, they have to simply cut their losses, and we'll probably have lost a little in terms of information, but not enough to warrant not attempting the setup anyway. The worst possible case, naturally, would be a scum bus driver, but naturally any multi-phase plan is going to get potentially wrecked by some sort of power role, and it's annoyingly hard to prepare for every possible role, obscure or not.

[Pittbunny]

A scum death that isn't counterclaimed would be the most ideal information. At least, until someone investigates him as an SK or something else of the sort. I'm not particularly looking for any specific information, but the situation does seem like it could produce a few good nuggets without having to waste town PR time.
I'm also interested in seeing how the scum party will actually react to the Rich case.

[Pittbunny]

Glad to see Charlie finally doing something here. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him contribute more to the game. Due to his terribly scummy behavior, thought, I will still keep my vote on him.

CSL, Chronopie, and animorpherv1

(3)

still haven't done any convincing to me that they are town.

Both

exhibits very scummy behavior and any of those

four

I would be willing to lynch ToDay if a Charlie's lynch doesn't get through or if Charlie becomes less scummier then them.

...
Now I'm curious; just how much editing do you do to that post before you decided it was good enough to ship out? Did you feel that two suspects were too few? That you didn't have enough supportive ammo to accuse four? Were you too preoccupied with counterpointing Amished that you failed to realize that 2=/=3=/=4? I wonder. This isn't a freudian slip, but it implies a heavy degree of modification to what you're trying to deliver.

[Pittbunny]

Query: Assuming that Rich is anti-town for the moment (aka third or scum), what is stopping him from being a douche and protecting millar, thus wasting Ythan's oneshot, assuming Ythan doesn't already get roleblocked for softclaiming?

Actually, the Rich-Millar-Ythan night scenario has some interesting points. Must think about it more.

[Pittbunny]

@SSBF - that before you said that you wouldn't mind losing a day to lynch millar, but now you're saying you would?
@Pitt - I was going to bring up the same thing actually. There's way too many possibilities. I really think that Richard should be lynched today

Disagree. Would you lynch a claimed Vig? If not, would you lynch a claimed Vig+? It seems far more useful for Rich to be alive tonight and provide information by actions rather than to lynch him and be less able to interpret night actions.

[Pittbunny]

I'm finding it more and more difficult to post snarky comments when people get to them first.
Charlie, how do you manage to go from making a semi-valid point to looking like scum on a consistent basis?

Xite's pbp, while annoying to read, sort of clicks. However, I'm more likely relying on Xite's reasoning than my own at the moment, so I'll just

FoS SSBF

. I don't think I've got enough well-conceived argument to justify an actual vote on him yet, as I've really been losing touch with this game. I'm pretty sure I've been just barely dodging the prod-gun, and my latest posts don't contain all that much information that hasn't already been expounded upon in some shape by another player. I think I'm going to take a day to reread this game.

[Pittbunny]

Understanding the discussion on Rich, but this should really be focused more on interpretations and rationalizations than mudslinging.

@Rich: You're a vig+, why are you being a wuss? If millar got magically protected by you, you could have then used the claim to semi-confirm millar as town, or possibly even have gotten a counterclaim which would have led to either a scum lynch or town being able to direct multiple nightkills. Wussying out, if that is in fact what you did, was a horrible move, and you shouldn't have let the possibility of "Hey, maybe I'll actually do something doctor-like tonight!" have stopped you from committing to a night action.

@Xitequestion: Doubt? Yes, I have lots of it.

@Mod: How long would it take to procure a replacement? Due to my general lack of drive to read this game and a large work schedule, I'm not sure I can meaningfully participate until I move in two and a half weeks. It might be better for me to get replaced. That is to say, if you find a ready replacement, replace me. I'm not doing justice to the game.