Supernatural mafia - Mafia team wins!!!!!

[Chronopie]

Hunt: Hydrak

Zerg are scum.

[Chronopie]

I don't understand why I'd make a good policy lynch.

- Significantly more often than not, I'm town (like 85:15)
- I'm usually vanilla
- I have a clear history of being

mislynch

bait.
/meta discussion

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I mean, I know I'm not the best

Scum

Demon

-hunter, but I'm still willing to take A Shot at it.

[Chronopie]

I'd be inclined to guess that Farside would've either a) provided safe/fakeclaims and/or b) switched around roles (HP mafia anyone?) and/or c) inserted unusual roles to throw us off.

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If a hydra cares to remain anon. let them, 'nuff said.

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^@MS: Hunt?

[Chronopie]

I feel that RC and Robo are detracting from any actual content present, as arguments over an abbreviations are significantly abstract to not give hints as to alignment. Lynching one of them would fix it.

That said.

Unvote, Vote: Robo

[Chronopie]

Unhunt

Deadline is in 9 days, no rush. Yet.

Rereading.

[Chronopie]

^It was an RVS hunt.

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k, having reread.

Hunt: Kagelord

He's been dropping tells all over.

[Chronopie]

Why would I, in any case, be nervous about an

L-11

? You're making no sense Reaper.

[Chronopie]

@Mod: I'm voting Kage.

^It was an RVS hunt.

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k, having reread.

Hunt: Kagelord

He's been dropping tells all over.

[Chronopie]

@Mod: The VC needs correcting, should read 5

KageLord (4) molestargazer, MagnaofIllusion, jmj3000, Snow_Bunny, Chronopie

[Chronopie]

4 goes into...*scratches head*

Is that a mistake Haylen?

Wait, What? Farside's mod Nero.

[Chronopie]

I'd rehash what others have written above...

But I'm already voting Kagelord.

MOAR KAGELORD VOTES PL0X

[Chronopie]

^ That one.

[Chronopie]

This is cool, watching Supernatural, posting in a Supernatural Mafia thread. all good.

@Mod: VC please

[Chronopie]

I'm okay with following Starbuck's lead on this, she's next thing to confirmed town atm. Very few games would give scum a day-kill in addition to their NK.

Hunt: Hydrak

[Chronopie]

Before it gets blown out of proportion. the "A Shot" bit was an attempt to draw NKs. I'm (<i>atm</i>) a VT.

The important bit of my "Claim" is slightly before that.

[Chronopie]

^Fail tags should be

italics

[Chronopie]

I'll explain more tomorrow, assuming I survive the night.

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I don't mind being called a liar, because I was fake crumbing to draw the NK.

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And I think angels are a distinct possibility in the game, as are demons (obv obv), but Some are probably town aligned.

[Chronopie]

Retrospectively, I should held off

any

mention until D2 lol.

[Chronopie]

Still doesn't seem much like a power that would fit the flavour. Cas raised Dean from hell, and he's angelically exorcised a few minor demons, and killed an angel or tow. And cut a finger off one of the horsemen of the apocalypse... and been resurrected twice(?) (In so far as being restored to earth)

Nothing would really fit cult un-recruiter.

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Besides, that would be a broken role. Any ex-recruit would be able to say "Cult is X | Y | Z", or at least "Cult Leader/recruiter is X" depending on the cult mechanic.

[Chronopie]

Hunt: Tubby

/Blatantly Sheeps after seeing other's cases

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The crumb I dropped yesterday, then fucked up by explaining early is thus:

I mean, I know I'm not the best

Scum

Demon

-hunter, but I'm still willing to take A Shot at it.

1) VT atm (Still)
2) idk if we have any kind of cop, but if we have one that detects Demons, I'd be a miller. Thus the emphasis.

3) I also Breadcrumbed, during the angel discussion, that some might be town aligned, I left the wording deliberately ambiguous. I am a town-aligned Demon.

Name:

Crowley, Crossroads Demon.

Role:

VT

Abilities:

None that I am aware of.

[Chronopie]

The reason I didn't claim Miller, is because my role isn't

specified

as a miller. I had the thought (overnight) that being a demon may be construed as miller-esqe, much like a vig to a gunsmith...

[Chronopie]

2) idk if we have any kind of cop,

but if we have one that detects Demons, I'd be a miller.

Thus the emphasis.

The reason I didn't claim Miller, is because my role isn't

specified

as a miller. I had the thought (overnight) that being a demon may be construed as miller-esqe, much like a vig to a gunsmith...

[Chronopie]

Crowley on the Super-wiki.

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The reason I was dis-inclined to believe a 'cult un-recruiter' claim, is because I would have expected Demons to be Mafia, rather than Cult. And Castiel, an Angel, doesn't exactly fit that kind of claim.

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I could see yellow-eyes being a cult recruiter though.

[Chronopie]

Shy of quoting my Actual Role PM (Modkill territory), I've put my entire role out there. So try finding some

Actual

scum. kthx.

[Chronopie]

Since Reaper gave Flavour: MoI, if your flavour is equally (or more) believable, I will Sheep you my vote for today.

[Chronopie]

mmm... Cake.

But seriously, over here, in little 'ole NZ, it's my birthday. so /prodded, cya tomorrow.

[Chronopie]

Well ani's claim of Rufus | VT does fit the Flavour. A retired hunter, on the side of humanity. Due to being a relatively minor role, VT fits.

However, I still can't shake the idea that Scum might be provided Fakeclaims, given that this is a flavour heavy game.

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: Does Ani have any last words? Anyone else want to say anything?

<- Announcing intent to hammer.

[Chronopie]

Welp, RC-hammer. (Kinda like MC hammer )

Any one have anything to say before the mod scene, now's the time.

[Chronopie]

Why Sawyer should be lynched today:

In my analysis, I had a null read on Sawyer. That would also depend on ReaperCharlie's flip. Since ReaperCharlie flipped cultist, this raise my suspicion on Sawyer considerably.

No matter the circumstances, Sawyer never, ever voted for ReaperCharlie. While I'm sure there are a few other people did, Sawyer makes it obvious that he doesn't want ReaperCharlie lynched.

He starts to defend ReaperCharlie in ISO 17 in here:

Lol wow, that was a game changer. But I believe his claim so my votes staying where it is. I really don't see the point in claiming when apparently no one will believe them.

Even after damning evidence supporting ReaperCharlie-scum, he said because he believed his claim, he will not vote for ReaperCharlie.

I didn't think Benmage was scummy at first with the GH issue, but now I'm thinking otherwise because he's not even hunting with his eyes open. He's using moles death to his advantage just so he could get Reaper lynched. Even before he claimed, there was a possibility that Reaper could have been just a Vig (most likely), Tracker, Cop, Doc, or any number of things and Ben still didn't change his vote. Even after Reaper claimed to be a Vig/Tracker, he didn't even think about removing his vote. So not only is he and apparently many of people willing to risk lynching a Vig/Tracker, but they're willing to do so without getting a flip afterwards. Wooooooow.

First instance of chainsaw defense where he attacks Benmage for using molestargazer's death against ReaperCharlie. He claims that ReaperCharlie could be any number of power roles, yet this could apply to anyone else as well. Not to mention he neglects to mention that the main reason why people are suspecting ReaperCharlie and not believing the claim was due to him being tracked to molestargazer. Also, we may not get flips immediately, but they eventually do happen.

MagnaofIllusion asked Sawyer if players are required to remove vote based on claims and how many Vigilantes/Limited Vigilantes existed in the game. Guess what we get in Sawyer's ISO 18?:

This is exactly why why Reapers claim should be more likely true than not. Fakeclaiming Tracker would not automatically clear him of suspicion when he targeting someone that's dead, especially when you claim to be a tracker as well. So if he was scum, I'd say he would be much more likely to claim Vig, since that would explain why he targeted someone that's dead without being scum.

Not only do I agree with MagnaofIllusion that it is WIFOM, he also managed to dodge the questions MagnaofIllusion asked him. My translation is this:
"ReaperCharlie's claim is more likely true, here's my poor attempt to defend him while avoiding your questions. Oh and have some nice WIFOM while you're at it."

More scummy defense in ISO 20:

Did Reaper, or did he not, already say that he Tracked Mole? Answer: Yes he did. So not only does that means your roleblock didn't take, but you made yourself a target. Nice job, fool

Obvious chainsaw defense of ReaperCharlie. His target, Midnight's Sorrow. Also, with evidence supporting ReaperCharlie-scum, we all know ReaperCharlie was linked to molestargazer, not the false story where ReaperCharlie tracked molestargazer, which in my opinion makes little sense. ISO 21 is similar to ISO 20, so I won't waste time on it.

ISO 23, he claims that ReaperCharlie is a vigilante:

A vig like, maybe, ReaperCharlie?

Now his defense of ReaperCharlie is starting to get really bad.

This gem:

RC admitted he used a night action on Mole. Here's where the difference of opinion comes in. You think he's scum because he targeted Mole and now he's dead. I don't think it's scummy because he could've just claimed Vig instead (which you probably would have believed due to post 792). That's exactly why I think you're scummy for not believing it. Because he could've made up a lie that you would've believed, and you still suspect him based on a hypothetical.

He said that ReaperCharlie admitted to using a Night Action on molestargazer. Which basically means that ReaperCharlie was admitting to being scum. I could honestly laugh at him saying that ReaperCharlie targetting molestargazer wasn't scummy, it sure as hell was and then say to Benmage he was scummy because of supporting such fantastic evidence boggles me immensely.

ISO 26:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why is this the case? Why can't they both be town? They could both be telling the truth and both be town at the same time. It seems like you're trying to force a lynch on either of these two.

More attempt at defending ReaperCharlie and trying to get his claim proven true. Given that both claimed Dean/Sam, it is impossible for both claims to be true, so he has to pick one person or another.

Heavily disliked ISO 28, particuarly this part:

Actually, assuming we still don't get any flips, no lynch will get as anymore information than the other.

But if we do get a flip, then the most/best information we can get today, for the non-believers, is a RC lynch. For the people who don't doubt RC's claim, you could prove to be a valuable lynch.

Really? We will eventually gain information from people waiting in the wings when they are dead, so that's auotmatically proves your statement faulty.

Had I been in the game earlier, I would have called BS then. I will call it bullshit now. ReaperCharlie had so many things proving him scum, it wasn't even funny, not to mention look at how much information we've gotten from it.

Take a look at this:

*sigh* RC, you made it all this way without my suspicion and then you go and say you'd policy lynch a player if they're playing well? Dude, come on...

Looks like this is him starting to distance from ReaperCharlie. Disliking this comment.

There you go, I explained why he should be lynched. I am in full support of it and believe he will flip anything but town. In short:

SAWYER IS SCUM!

qfft VOTE: Sawyer

Other thoughts about the game:

I would also love a Chronopie lynch. The only reason why I'm not voting him today is the obvious connection between Sawyer and ReaperCharlie. He is still scummy as hell and still needs lynching so if Sawyer doesn't get through, I will go after Chronopie. How many times do I have to enforce my scum read on him?

My #1 suspect is Sawyer with Chronopie as a close #2. Both Snow_Bunny and GroupThink tie as #3 with TheLonging as my #4 suspect. Lowell is at the bottom at #5.

lol. I claimed VT far earlier. So I assume you believe me to be fakeclaiming scumz then?

Conclusions/Summary/Misc.:

I think three to five scums were off the ReaperCharlie's bandwagon. I'm not sure if there was scum on the ReaperCharlie bandwagon, one scum if any.
Kmd4390, Chronopie, GroupThink, Lowell, Sawyer, SpyreX, and TheLonging had scummy interactions with ReaperCharlie to varying degrees, although I still think SpyreX is likely town.
Sawyer's interaction with ReaperCharlie is more then enough to send him to the gallow.
Other suspects are Chronopie, Snow_Bunny, GroupThink, TheLonging, and Lowell.
Look at the connection. Maybe you'll find something new.
Welcome back MagnaofIllusion and jmj3000.

Hunt: Sawyer

HoS: Chronopie

FoS: Snow_Bunny, GroupThink, TheLonging, and Lowell

Overall, a good case on sawyer, some decent (if misguided) points on other players. SSBF is sooo town.

[Chronopie]

As far as I know of hider roles:

Hider hides behind Scum = hider death

Hider hides behind townie (not NK'd) = lives
Hider hides behind townie who is NK'd = Death of both townie

and

hider

Does a Hider come before an RB in the natural action res?

[Chronopie]

Hunt: Sawyer

Sorry for my absence, Some linemen took out our internet at home while digging, and the heavy rain / flooding is preventing it being fixed since then.

So I'm semi-V/LA (Piggybacking a neighbours wifi, and at uni only)

[Chronopie]

god has nothing to do with bringing people back from the dead. you know who does bring people back in the show? Demons, more specifically crossroad demons.

Well I'm not the one raising people. ( Crowley, king of the crossroads demons.)

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I'm feeling this right now:

Hunt: GroupThink

We had more important things to do other days. This is long overdue.

Why is this all of a sudden the most important/overdue move?

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OK, explain to me: Where are the flips and revives coming from? The mod? The numbers have changed frequently, and unless you think the mod revived someone purposefully, then no. Scum? Why would scum revive pro-town players? Tubby, you're full of shit.

Gonna say I have to agree.

QFT.

Hunt: Tubby

[Chronopie]

I'd be inclined to guess that Farside would've either a) provided safe/fakeclaims and/or b) switched around roles (HP mafia anyone?) and/or c) inserted unusual roles to throw us off.

I agree with this and it's the fakeclaiming that's got me so hesitant.

I agree

I don't mind being called a liar, because I was fake crumbing to draw the NK.

Who were you trying to draw the NK from?

Scum. A Dead VT > A Dead Power Role

The reason I didn't claim Miller, is because my role isn't

specified

as a miller. I had the thought (overnight) that being a demon may be construed as miller-esqe, much like a vig to a gunsmith...

Okay, so you fakecrumbed, admitted you fakecrumbed, claimed, and then implied that, under any investigation, you would turn up guilty. This goes along the lines of TheLonging's 'I can't be NK'd or recruited; I can only be lynched' as far as solid fakeclaims go.

Well If we have an investigative role that says "Human, Human, Demon: KIWF" I'd be a Demon aka Miller. ofc I'm just setup speculating with this.

The only thing about this game that has me really confused is the flips and revivals. They don't make sense to me and I know of no role or mechanic that would help in figuring this whole thing out.

What doesn't make sense? 'God' (TL) decides: This person will flip, this one will revive. end. (Until Lucifer shows up to F**K it all up apparently.

[Chronopie]

@SpyreX: I could see the Cultists perhaps not knowing the CL?

It could just be: "Hai, you've been recruited to the cult, here's your new WC." But we can't know for sure.

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I'm curious as

why

you want me dead TL. Case or unhunt naow.

[Chronopie]

I assume this is your case. A Link to it would have been nice though.


Given that you claim that

each and every

one of this points is a scum tell, I'll address each in turn.

I'm going to do my case a bit differently then normal.

Me:

Everyone please get into your seats.

Me: As today is the first day of school, the first subject we will be talking about today is on Chronopie. I will be providing a case on him and explain why he should be lynched today. Chronopie, stand up and come to the front of the class.

Chronopie: But I don't wanna...

Me: Do it immediately. Thank you. Now, with the evidence supporting that he's scum. Since he's new to the class, I'm going to be nice and only point out the important stuffs. Some things here have already been mentioned before, but I will wrap all of his scum tells into one huge lesson.

ISO 1: Here he complains about being policy lynched. His reasons? He's more then likely to be town then scum, he's usually vanilla, and has a history of being mislynch bait. First reason is common fact, so that's invalid. Second reason, if you're town, you are still valuable to the town, this isn't even a reason for why you should not be policy lynched. Third reason, I agree with MagnaofIllusion, that's your fault for playing badly in games you're in.

And...

ISO 2: Unless you're scum, who cares if the scums have fakeclaims/safeclaims? Not worth speculating about. Regarding switching roles, it's not worth worry about at all. Also, why was it necessary to bring up unusual roles?

Knowing if we can believe a Nameclaim is a good thing, therefore everyone should care. Besides, I like to setup speculate. Null tell.

ISO 3: Saying that the abbreviation of ReaperCharlie and Robocopter87 name is detracting from contents being made is an absolutely ridiculous statement. Saying they should be lynched just to fix the problem is even worse. Terrible, terrible posting.

Not the abbreviations themselves. The long, several page argument that was evolving from said commenting. 100% Fluff. 0% content. Therefore it detracts from possible scumhunting, by providing a content-less alternative to viable discussion.

ISO 4: Wait, you said that one of ReaperCharlie or Robocopter87 should be lynched to fix the abbreviation problem. Your vote on Robocopter87 looks pretty serious to me, how can you dismiss that as RVS vote? Also, you didn't explain why you found KageLord scummy. Shameless wagoning which is way too obvious to see.

Err... I never voted Robo at that point. I rvs'd Hydrak.

ISO 10: He was asking for more KageLord votes. But he didn't give any explanation on why KageLord was scummy so I don't think it's a good position to ask for more votes.

I agreed with other's cases on Kagelord. Imagine if seven people spotted the same set of scumtells. Would you want seven identical cases, or just 1-2 with the others posting "I agree"?

ISO 13: Once again, gives next to no explanation for his vote on other people. The fact that he voted Hydrak because Starbuck said so is absurd.

I'm okay with following Starbuck's lead on this, she's next thing to confirmed town atm. Very few games would give scum a day-kill in addition to their NK.

Yeah... Starbuck, a (near confirmed at that time) town player, was being attacked (poorly I might add) by Hydrak, for killing Kagelord, who I viewed as legitimately scummy. Therefore I hunted Hydrak.

ISO 14: Why did you feel it was necessary to claim Day 1 when you weren't even close to being lynched? I see absolutely no reason for it.

I don't see why this is a scumtell (The reason you apparently put it in here). The reason I claimed was because, just a few posts before (try reading in context once in a while), Nero and Benmage were setting up to attack me on my softclaim. Thus I explained it.

ISO 19: Calls tubby216 out for sheeping. But wait, he's guilty of doing it too since his votes on KageLord and Hydrak were completly void of reasons.

Explained. Besides, I know I'm not a shining example of pro-town goodness, but I can still spot things occurring in others.

ISO 22: No good contents in this post, just speculation, therefore, a waste of a post.

Expanding on my claim, my (unique, flavour-based) reason for voting our cult unrecruiter. Not a scumtell.

ISO 23: Why are you asking us to find scums when you have put forth very little effort toward doing so? What have you done to find scums at this point?

My (snarky) reply to LMP calling me an outright liar, thus reasonable to retain a vote upon, despite having fullclaimed. You've blown this post way out of proportion in an effort to find scumtells.

ISO 24: You are asking to sheep off MagnaofIllusion's reason for voting ReaperCharlie if MagnaofIllusion's flavour is as believable or more so then ReaperCharlie's? Am I reading you correctly? If so, this is insanely scummy.

Bluntly. Yes. NA results are very sheepable.

ISO 25: He said he'll be back tomorrow. What do we get?

You get nothing. I got cake.

Speculation on animorpherv1's claimed role, announcing intentions to hammer but never doing so, and asking us if we had anything else to say after ReaperCharlie got hammered. Extremely disappointing, voids of all contents, doesn't help town, and the latter is hypocrisy because he doesn't say much to help town in the first place.

Announcing intention to hammer != scummy. Explaining

why

I'm willing to do so != scummy. Stating that the reason I held off hammering was to allow people time for more discussion != scummy. Not having anything relevant myself, given the fact of it having been my birthday, thus I wasn't 100% up to date != scummy.

ISO 31: He hammers Sawyer here. I feel like this is scum bussing scum as he gives no explanation for voting Sawyer previously and he doesn't do it now. I don't see any town motivation for the hammer whatsoever so I feel there might be a connection between him and Sawyer.

Err... He needed hammering, several people asked for someone to hammer, I was there, and figured V/LA overnight > V/LA several days waiting for someone else to hammer and just leaving the game dangling in the wind.

ISO 34: He's asking for a case on him. Yet he hasn't really provided a case on anyone in this game and put minimal explanation on why he votes a person or in some cases, no explanations. Also he's not reading the thread, as scummy things he's done has been mentioned numerous times.

All of a sudden, asking

TheLonging

why

TheLonging

wants me dead, with

TheLonging

not having expressed specific desire to see me dead before then is scummy /sarcasm. (Apparently because I'm lurking.) fyi: Policy lynching is not a good idea

on Day 5

Me: Class, please examine these information here and digest them into your brain. I have given my arguments for a Chronopie's lynch and I want you to take this into consideration. For those still against voting Chronopie, here's your homework assignment:

Why do you think your top lynch candidate is better then Chronopie? And as for you Chronopie, here is your homework assignment.

Refute all of these points. I want you to refute them as soon as possible and I do not appreciate stalling in this game. However, don't expect me to be kind and unhunt you anytime soon.

That is all. Class is dismissed.

[Chronopie]

Now hunting:

Chronopie (2) SSBF, TheLonging
...
Chronopie (1) tubby

@MOD: VC has an error. Thanks!

Nothing new to comment on.

lol. I be two separate entities naow?

also nothing new to say afaik.

[Chronopie]

@S_B: What's the flavour on your investigation?

Does it show Town? Demon? Human? etc.

Would it show "Cult" or just "not town" or w/e?

[Chronopie]

@Spy: I'd read that as RC having one of Sawyer's buddies on that list. That would suggest KMD

BlazezRB

is scum.

VOTE: KMD

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: I realise that that's what you were getting at. I say we lynch KMD, and if the game isn't over, I'm willing to take the rope.

[Chronopie]

I have a hunch that the remaining killer is a Ghoul.

Given the interaction you quoted, I believe that KMD is Sawyer's scumbuddy. If I'm wrong, feel free to lynch me.

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: There may also be a third Mafiate out there, in which case the game won't have finished, but I was being Dramatic.

[Chronopie]

Well Benmage might have been a vig kill. But Ythan was probably a mafia kill, thus non-mafia, thus a good choice.

[Chronopie]

Crowley, VT. Seeing as it's a no/delayed flip game, just putting that out there now.

I still think KMD needs to die. GH is super-lurker.

/byeee (for now?)

[Chronopie]

ftr: Flip any lynchee. They're getting lynched for a reason. Revive the Maf. kills. Maybe. Seeing as the mafia are killing them, they aren't said mafia. (Until I said this, it was 99% guaranteed)

Go town.

out. /bah post