Earth's Struggle - Game Over!

[Toogeloo]

/confirm

This is a (rough) list of people I hae played with/people I am (or have) modded for:

ZazieR
Maemuki
DGB
CSL
NS
MPR
Starbuck
Chronopie

That's a little depressing I am so forgettable after the last game. That being said, the only people I recognize on the list are Starbuck, animorph, and Chronopie... all of which were scum in my last game lol.

[Toogeloo]

You were claimed Miller that was actually scum. Luckily Jacob listened to me when I said to shoot your ass at night lol.

[Toogeloo]

Anyways, getting into the game...

Vote: GhostWriter

for buddying up to animorph so early, and while I am at it,

FoS: Chronopie

for possibly being linked in the same manner. GhostWriter was either buddying or defending in a jovial manner. Seems a good place to start ^_^.

[Toogeloo]

erm...

FoS: animoprh

rather >_> ... I am linking all you scum from traffic together apparently lol.

[Toogeloo]

I didn't read MME's game. My only experience with you three was from Traffic, so... yeah. You all are the devil. If Twomz was in the game, I would probably vote for lynch on him out of spite >_>

[Toogeloo]

Traffic was my only game outside of Road to Rome, and I don't recall you from those games. I'm still relatively new to the site, a relative unknown amongst you veterans.

[Toogeloo]

Vote: Zazie

OMGCOUNTERVOTETHELIAR lulz.

To be honest, I actually thought the confirmation time was also the start of the game with all the votes that were flying, so I was legit looking at GhostWriter for buddying/defending animorph.

[Toogeloo]

[Eminem]
May I have your attention please?
May I have your attention please?
Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Slim Shady please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here..

Y'all act like you never seen a white person before
Jaws all on the floor like Pam, like Tommy just burst in the door
and started whoopin her ass worse than before
they first were divorce, throwin her over furniture (Ahh!)
It's the return of the... "Ah, wait, no way, you're kidding,
he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?"
And Dr. Dre said... nothing you idiots!
Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement! (Ha-ha!)
Feminist women love Eminem
[*vocal turntable: chigga chigga chigga*]
"Slim Shady, I'm sick of him
Look at him, walkin around grabbin his you-know-what
Flippin the you-know-who," "Yeah, but he's so cute though!"
Yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose
But no worse, than what's goin on in your parents' bedrooms
Sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose, but can't
but it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose
"My bum is on your lips, my bum is on your lips"
And if I'm lucky, you might just give it a little kiss
And that's the message that we deliver to little kids
And expect them not to know what a woman's clitoris is
Of course they gonna know what intercourse is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got the Discovery Channel don't they?
"We ain't nothing but mammals.." Well, some of us cannibals
who cut other people open like cantaloupes [SLURP]
But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes
then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope
[*EWWW!*] But if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote
Women wave your pantyhose, sing the chorus and it goes

[Chorus: Eminem (repeat 2X)]

'Cause I'm Slim Shady, yes I'm the real Shady
All you other Slim Shadys are just imitating
So won't the real Slim Shady please stand up,
please stand up, please stand up?

[Eminem]
Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell his records;
well I do, so fuck him and fuck you too!
You think I give a damn about a Grammy?
Half of you critics can't even stomach me, let alone stand me
"But Slim, what if you win, wouldn't it be weird?"
Why? So you guys could just lie to get me here?
So you can, sit me here next to Britney Spears?
Shit, Christina Aguilera better switch me chairs
so I can sit next to Carson Daly and Fred Durst
and hear 'em argue over who she gave head to first
You little bitch, put me on blast on MTV
"Yeah, he's cute, but I think he's married to Kim, hee-hee!"
I should download her audio on MP3
and show the whole world how you gave Eminem VD [AHHH!]
I'm sick of you little girl and boy groups, all you do is annoy me
so I have been sent here to destroy you [bzzzt]
And there's a million of us just like me
who cuss like me; who just don't give a fuck like me
who dress like me; walk, talk and act like me
and just might be the next best thing but not quite me!

[Chorus]

[Eminem]
I'm like a head trip to listen to, cause I'm only givin you
things you joke about with your friends inside your living room
The only difference is I got the balls to say it
in front of y'all and I don't gotta be false or sugarcoated at all
I just get on the mic and spit it
and whether you like to admit it [*ERR*] I just shit it
better than ninety percent of you rappers out can
Then you wonder how can kids eat up these albums like valiums
It's funny; cause at the rate I'm goin when I'm thirty
I'll be the only person in the nursin home flirting
Pinchin nurses asses when I'm jackin off with Jergens
And I'm jerkin but this whole bag of Viagra isn't working
And every single person is a Slim Shady lurkin
He could be workin at Burger King, spittin on your onion rings
[*HACH*] Or in the parkin lot, circling
Screaming "I don't give a fuck!"
with his windows down and his system up
So, will the real Shady please stand up?
And put one of those fingers on each hand up?
And be proud to be outta your mind and outta control
and one more time, loud as you can, how does it go?

[Chorus 4X]

[Eminem]
Ha ha
Guess there's a Slim Shady in all of us
Fuck it, let's all stand up

[Toogeloo]

Oh, I'm sorry, I had to bust into Rhyme.

I also want to know why the Longing wants a Policy Lynch on MPR.

[Toogeloo]

I have no idea what's going on anymore... mission accomplished Haylen. All I see over the last 4 pages of reanalyzing is people calling other people scum based on prior meta... I think.

[Toogeloo]

Vote: Zazie

OMGCOUNTERVOTETHELIAR lulz.

To be honest, I actually thought the confirmation time was also the start of the game with all the votes that were flying, so I was legit looking at GhostWriter for buddying/defending animorph.

And you aren't looking at GW anymore, because?

Because it was the confirmation stage and not actual Day 1. Though it could still be meta'd that he was buddying/defending, and I don't get why the votes were flying all over the place before the game even started.

[Toogeloo]

Might be that he used an item already >_>

I will be honest, I am having trouble keeping up with the name acronyms. I can count on a hand missing 2 fingers the amount of players I know in this game, and all I see is Votes for NS, MPR, WTF, CSL, ASAP, MS, BM, BBQ, and DGB. I gotta keep looking at the name list like every 2 or 3 posts, and we are up to 11 pages already >_>. It's all very distracting.

So, I would please ask...

Will the major acronymed player's with cases against them please be explained? I think DrippingGoofball said Nobody Special was scummy, but I think I missed why, and I think animorph has claimed a few acronyms scummy as well... CSL, BM, and someone else off the top of my head I can't think of.


I just want to know WHY these people are considered scummy. Maybe just a sum up, or some quotes, or something. After 11 pages of ASDF, QWERTY, PWN, and the like, I am THOROUGHLY confused.

[Toogeloo]

Speculating about BM is useless. Cut it out unless you smell scum. It's better for all of us that way, believe me.

@Toogeloo: I hate running footwork for people, but here's a general case on NS.
Refusal to leave the RVS.
Surprised after being attacked for blatantly scummy behavior.
Asking idiotic questions...
...then expecting them to be answered.

And now that I've gone through all that trouble, I expect a vote for NS, a thank you, and actual participation in this game from now on.
Thank you.

Wow... thank you for that ... I guess. I don't see any of it to be honest though. I didn't even know we had left the random vote stage even 11 pages in if I'm being honest.

Really, all I see so far is meta about this or that player. All of it, almost every single post is meta about how a person usually is or isn't as scum. I have not seen anything remotely resembling content yet, and to be honest even the crap you just fed me is just some skewed view of how you want to portray a person. I know it's day 1 and all, but seriously, why don't you actually put down some real evidence of scummy behavior? Hell, I freaking posted a full length Eminem song, apparently out of the RVS, followed by a some random questions and comments about Acronyms and Policy Lynches. Obviously, being out of the RVS is not nearly as cut and dry.

At the moment, I am most suspicious of anyone on the Nobody Special Lynch and less suspicious of him. I'm looking at the people who attached themselves to it, but haven't been outspoken about it. The Longing and Chronopie I think are good places to start.

Unvote
Vote: Chronopie

I know you best probably over anyone else in the player list, so I will start there.

[Toogeloo]

oh, nice, so I must be suspicious because I don't sheep onto an early day 1 train with zero reasoning. Is this a Road to Rome game by chance?

Sometimes I think so, yes. I imagine you all as my newbie babies :3 ~ Hayl

[Toogeloo]

Oh, I'm sorry, I had to bust into Rhyme.

I also want to know why the Longing wants a Policy Lynch on MPR.

Because every game I was in with him, his usually anti-town play was detrimental to the town, whether he was town or scum. That's hardly relevant now with CSL/ani/nobody special

Vote: Nobody Special

Despite my prior suspicions on CSL, those are gone now. I don't see ani as scum.

You didn't give a reason for the Nobody Special Vote, you said why you wanted MPR policy lynched and you said you no longer see CSL or ani as scum. You did NOT mention why you felt you needed to vote Nobody Special. Hence, you just latched on.


Chronopie simply asked why Nobody Special hated him so much and then voted him.


Interestingly enough, the most vocal person on Nobody Special is Dripping Goofball, and yet he didn't get a vote on him until later. It's almost as if he was goading people to get onto Nobody Special but didn't want to commit his own vote right away until a train had gotten started.


I was "impelled" to post the Eminem song.


So what if Nobody Special is vote hopping, it's not inherently scummy to vote hop. He was trying to elicit reactions in all likelihood, or he (as did I) felt it was the RVS still. I can't tell if people think the RVS ended before Day 1 started (since we had some awkward vote stage during the confirmation stage), but suffice to say, I don't see Nobody Special as scum, and I do believe that someone scummy is on that lynch. The leeches are a good start, and that is why I chose TheLonging and Chronopie.

[Toogeloo]

I was "impelled" to post the Eminem song.

Or maybe "compelled" is a better term. Suffice to say, it's posted and done.

[Toogeloo]

Definitely. Toogeloo is scum.

Yep, you got me, I claim Mafia Poisoner. Now why don't you do some real research?

Interestingly enough, the most vocal person on Nobody Special is Dripping Goofball, and yet he didn't get a vote on him until later. It's almost as if he was goading people to get onto Nobody Special but didn't want to commit his own vote right away until a train had gotten started.

So, why the passivity? Why don't you ask some sort of question about it?

Hey, DrippingGoofball, are you scum?

[Toogeloo]

You're just loving though how you can assume how everything NS is doing is town, while I'm scum.

Nah, there's just a difference between anti-town and scum. I haven't seen anything "scummy" about Nobody Special, though a little content might actually be nice now that everyone is so certain the game has gotten serious. And if I was dead certain you were scum, I would have my vote on you, now wouldn't I? I just said you were suspect for latching on with no reason.

[Toogeloo]

Additionally, he's confused at all of the NS, CSL, BM, etc. acronyms when all he needs to do is check the player list. atm, he's the scummiest imo.

Ya'know. When I haven't played with 80% of the player list and everyone is using acronyms over the course of 11 pages, try and understand how frustrating that is for me, especially considering I have 4 games under my belt, 3 being Road to Rome, and this site uses a ton of acronyms beyond names.

I thought a useful question was obvious, you know like "why did you withold your vote until so late even though you opened the case?"



No real scumhunting drive and another filler moment, I'm fine with your lynch unless you convince me otherwise.



Tell me, who do you think is scum?

Well, did you really expect me to ask a question you led me to? And what's this about no scum hunting drive? I am fairly certain I said at least twice now that I believe 1 or more people on the Nobody Special train was scum, and didn't I give two names earlier I suspected? Hmmm... oh yeah? TheLonging and Chronopie... No wonder my vote is on one of them!


You certainly have a lot of nerve to talk at me as if I haven't done any scum hunting considering the play that has happened thus far. At least half the players are content to just sit back and watch a handful of people sling mud at each other and casually toss down a vote with no reasoning.

[Toogeloo]

Sorry about this... a mystery V/LA came up. Re-reading now.

This was almost 6 hours ago. T-t-t-today Junior.

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo is voting me because I have legitimate reasons for voting NS. And yet I countered his points and he STILL ignores them and lists me as a suspicion.

Unvote

VOTE: Toogeloo

I'm not voting you at all. Some one has a guilty conscious.

Ok, so you have your suspicions, so now what are you planning on doing with them?




Of course I have nerve, because you went for an obstructionist reply and reacted with hostility as soon as you got challenged on it.



Perhaps you're missing my point, so let me just say it. Merely stating who you find suspicious does very little for town, you need to apply pressure and attempt to gain information that can subsequently be used to town's advantage.

Oh, I'm sorry, let me go find Chronopie and force him to post in the topic. He hasn't given me any reason to remove my vote, nor has shown himself to face his accuser. I suppose I could sit here and rehash over and over various ways I don't like him, but what would be the point?

[Toogeloo]

Adding on to the Togeloo wagon: He was gettin onto DGB for not voting his suspect and then Togeloo didnt vote for DGB at the time. He had to be prodded to vote, which is scummy behavior. He's hypoctritical and he just complied to the actions without defense or reason.

I didn't vote DrippingGoofball because I am not moving my vote from Chronopie. It doesn't mean I don't think DGB is town or scum one way or another. It was me making an observation and pointing it out. I can have a list of suspects I assume, or do can I only have one suspect at a time?

Conclusion: NS is scum. Toogleloo is scum. Either lynch benefits the town. Those are our targets today. Make your decision.

That's a ridiculously anti-town sentiment that you should narrow it down to two people and demand anyone to pick between them, of course, by your logic, I am just defending against it because I must be scum.


Let me clarify right here, right now, why I posted the song.


I AM EMINEM. Not literally of course, my role. I am a Human White Rapper with the strength of mind, vote, and song. I get to use special items so long as I share my vocals every day.


I don't care if you don't like my personality. I don't look to conform within town, ever. I'm not a sheep, I don't vote people because I am told to. I analyze what I have in front of me and use my own brain and gut.


I do not see Nobody Special as scum, what I see is a handful of vocal people trying to take advantage of a larger caste of individuals who are too lazy to think for themselves. My vote for Chronopie stays until he proves to me that he is here to play the game and actually scum hunt.

[Toogeloo]

Why do you think NS is not scum?

Because the cases against him are bologna. It's one or two vocal people swaying a bunch of non-participants into starting a train during the RVS. As I said before, Vote Hopping is not scummy. It might be anti-town from a matter of perspective, but it's not anything worth lynching someone over. DrippingGoofball had zero case against Nobody Special, and I didn't buy into it. I do however dislike anyone who jumped aboard the wagon without reason, and I especially dislike the same people who disappear afterwards hoping to hide amongst the more vocal players drawing attention to themselves.

[Toogeloo]

/back at uni as of today.

NS is town, DGB/CSL/BM are all scum

unhunt, hunt DGB

Wrong game ani.

--

Oh, I'm sorry, let me go find Chronopie and force him to post in the topic. He hasn't given me any reason to remove my vote, nor has shown himself to face his accuser. I suppose I could sit here and rehash over and over various ways I don't like him, but what would be the point?

So which points do you want me to address?

--

Tenative FoS (more of a prod) on Chronopie Just by glancing, I only saw at most 5 posts by him. I have little now, but I'll have a firm suspect and a vote soon.

This makes it sound like, once I've posted more, that you'll vote for me?!?

--

@Toog: Can you expand on your claim? Use Items? AFAIK the items are just for selecting abilities from the tech tree.

Is this all you have since your last post? There is zero content in this.

What points do I want addressed? How about why you voted for Nobody Special for starters. Maybe support your vote with some reasoning, and give me another name or two that you find scummy. You personally, not some rehashing of something someone else posted. I want your thoughts. The fact that you have posted zero content at all, and just latched on to a wagon buys you no townie points in my book.

As for my claim, no, you get no more information than what I provided. Every game day that I am alive you get to read me post another one of Eminem's songs, and if you are scum, you can WIFOM it all game as to why.

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:

The constant back-and-forth between Ani and CSL on pages 7 and 8 is odd. Actually, all of CSL's play is odd, from his insistence to vote NS due to votehopping in RVS to his constant defense of a single vote early in day 1. The fact that he constantly defended an obviously joke vote just strikes me as scum that are too worried about getting a possible wagon on them. He has played in 5 games as scum though, so I'm not sure if it's just his attempt of humor. If it is humor, CSL,

it's getting very old

. Please stop. Also, CSL, in 295, how is Chronopie's "UNVOTE: MS VOTE: NS Why do you hate me?" good posting?

DGB seems to be in the same boat as CSL, constantly trying to drive a point home without any additional evidence. When he and CSL started voting NS, he wasn't that scummy, though NS keeps acting scummier and scummier.

Adrien is almost as non-existent as I am. He's talking about lurking being just a part of the game, just as he is in the process of lurking, even after Rena asked him to contribute in 213. His first quasi-useful post is 327. He's not vanilla, as he wouldn't be confused about the role, but I hope he's not a town PR that outed himself on page 1.

Chronopie has posted absolutely nothing of substance other than a rolefish, but I'm not sure how Rena sees him as scummy. I may be missing something, but I don't see any information to make a case either way on.

With that said, my top 3:
VOTE: Nobody Special
Toogeloo
CSL

Adrian C, AdumbroDeus, SharkFinn, Rena: I can't find too many of your previous games, so how would you describe your play style?

Since this is only my 4th game, I'll also answer my own question. I'd say my playstyle is probably overly cautious; I don't normally place non-RVS votes unless they do something that is overtly scummy or after a fair amount of discussion.

Interesting that your three suspicions are the most voted players thus far. But what I really detest is that you even state that Chronopie is useless and rolefishes, but you don't see him as scummy even though someone else does.

Don't think I didn't forget about you catching up for several hours and now you place a post today, far after your catch up phase, that pretty much defends Chronopie and sheeps the vocal majority.


I am of the opinion that Chronopie and diginova are scum buds at this point.

[Toogeloo]

How did I defend Chronopie? I said that he's a null tell since he has provided almost no information up until this point. As I said, I am probably overly cautious, and will not say that someone is scummy just because they are lurking.

Chronopie has posted absolutely nothing of substance other than a rolefish, but I'm not sure how Rena sees him as scummy. I may be missing something, but I don't see any information to make a case either way on.

You are defend him by stating you see no case to present that others do. That is a defense. You even agree with the fact that he is lurkish, he rolefished, and yet you do not think it is scummy and disagree with Rena. Doing so is a defense that you do not find him scummy, unless you carefully veiled it to mean that you find him scummy but not for the same reasons Rena does.

[Toogeloo]

Regarding the bolded, why didn't you? And why didn't you look into him when you thought he could be buddying during the confirmation phase?

Because it was the confirmation stage. Why votes were even flying around and discussion was even being had was beyond me, but I had actually believed the day had started until Hayl came in and made it official. I make it a point not to mix stuff from out of game and in game together as it's unnecessary meta. Besides that point, even if I had intentions of coming back to the argument later, the fact that an early wagon had started on Nobody Special was enough for me to come and interject, which had put any previous thoughts of how I was planning to start the day to rest. I don't do early Day 1 wagons. They stink. They tunnel conversation, and almost every time they are on townies. They also give lurkers a reason to continue to lurk and avoid making any stupid mistakes that might incriminate themselves.

Toogy shows scummyness all around post 260.
-His response to Rena's case about NS. Toogy stated that Rena just showed a skewed view of how she wants to portray a player. Well obv that's what you gonna get if you're gonna ask for somebody elses case. This reaction is way off.
-Most notable part. One of the attacks against NS was that he was not serious, while being out of the RVS. Toogy comes in with examples of doing the same. One of them is the Eminem song, which according to him later on is due to his post restriction. So why give it as example of offtopicness when you need it, Toogy?
-His 'confusion' part. I want to know why you didn't question Chrono and TL about their NS vote before you got the NS case, which you shouldn't have needed to question those players.

I was hoping for a serious case that I had missed about the Nobody Special votes. I didn't get it which set off red alarms stating that the case was in fact bullshit. I immediately jumped to the aid of Nobody Special because of the stupidity of the rest of the town that would be just willing to let him flounder and fight on his own over ridiculous arguments (which are apparently only ridiculous to me).
The point of using the eminem song as an example was to see if anyone was even caring that it was posted in the first place. It was a tunnel check, and it's obvious no one cared until I brought it up. Everyone was so focused on making sure they don't stick their neck out or latching on to wagons, that they didn't bother caring about some song posted. I almost had to raise a flag and say, "hey, I have a post restriction, anyone want to ask me why?"

Post 270 (Also from Toogy) needs some explanation as well.
-Why no comment on DGB's absent of a vote up until this point?
-Why are you 'defending' NS by stating what you think he was trying to do with the vote hopping?

Because I already knew the answer I was going to receive. He stated it earlier. No point in asking a redundant question. I just wanted to point out that it was in fact suspicious none the less. Vote hopping is NOT scummy. It's a way to fish for reactions to OMGUS and see who may target the hopping player. It is a way to gain insight on player reactions, and in my opinion it worked. Chronopie is scummy as hell, and for some reason, apparently I am the only one who sees it.

And Toogy shows how serious he can be when Adumbo tells him of a great strategy: Asking questions.

I don't ask a lot of questions (as evident from the last paragraph). I am analytical, I don't even banter in topics. I attempt to read player reactions and post thoughts. I don't make any attempts to sway conversation or lead discussion, it's not what I do. I play my own game, put my vote where it needs to be, and hope people can read and understand my argument. I leave the charismatic stuff to the charismatic people and worry about my own reads. I can be quite fictitious and a bit of a smart ass, but that's basically my way of rebelling against sheep.

About Toogy's claim. I find it interesting that he didn't point out from where Eminem is, while that should also be mentioned in your role PM. Want to explain why?

I didn't feel it was necessary. I gave you the information you needed. Parts of the flavor are left out because you don't need to know it.

But what I really detest is that you even state that Chronopie is useless and rolefishes, but you don't see him as scummy even though someone else does.

This needs an elaboration. What are you trying to say here?
And you are accusing Digi of buddying? What have you been doing to NS? What's the difference between you and NS compared to Digi and Chrono.

For the reading impaired, I have stated more than once that digi was defending Chronopie, my primary suspect. Just how I have been attacked for defending Nobody Special. Seems like a pretty similar case to me. If you all can see me as scummy for defending Nobody Special, I see no reason why I can't claim that I think someone was doing the same to my primary suspect. So to spell it out to you... if Chronopie is scum, I bet digi is as well.

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP: fictitious = fastidious ... terrible speller, and spellchecker changed it to the first term >_>

[Toogeloo]

You may have missed it, so the question I asked: How are you and Rena "the vocal majority"?

I said YOU were sheeping the vocal majority with that post.

[Toogeloo]

Constantly insulting your fellow players does not help lend your arguments any weight. At best, it makes you seem like an arrogant person who won't listen to any logic as they think they are so far above everyone else, which is almost useless for the town. At worst, it makes you seem like scum who are trying to get people riled up.

Two problems with this argument. First off, I haven't seen one GOOD argument to favor the Nobody Special lynch. Secondly, if my goal is to incite the town as scum, and I have garnered votes from it, doesn't that defeat the purpose of being scum doing it?

[Toogeloo]

So, where exactly are we going with this day? Discussion has not really deviated from Myself or Nobody Special. I assume the lurkers will be gotten to on Day 2, or maybe just forgotten about all together?

[Toogeloo]

You may have missed it, so the question I asked: How are you and Rena "the vocal majority"?

I said YOU were sheeping the vocal majority with that post.

Right, but the only people that had even posted about Chronopie being scum were you and Rena. I don't call 2/20 a majority. 10%, yes, but not a majority.

I still don't think you get it...

[Toogeloo]

You could all just get on Chronopie, he hasn't come back since I started pushing on him, and he could use the pressure of more votes... that is unless you all feel you have something better to do.

[Toogeloo]

You think anyone would even commit to that? After Day 1 Lynch and Night 1 Night Kills, don't you think ani will just be forgotten about as an afterthought?

In most games I play, if you don't satisfy your win condition, you are removed from the game. So if ani doesn't get lynched today, realistically he should be removed either when Night 1 Starts or when Day 2 Starts.

Also if ani WERE Jester, I think he would have been putting in far more effort to look scummy, trying to trump even my activity.

[Toogeloo]

I love how Chrono is more active once the discussion switches over to Jesters and how we are going to dela with ani.

[Toogeloo]

Ani, go check if you are a town-aligned jester. You are not getting lynched today.

Also, you have not done my request yet.

No, I am not town aligned.

Now, I said if I get lynched I wil help town.

I think you should help anyways. We won't consider lynching you Day 1 otherwise, so you aren't playing to win unless you do. Food for thought.

[Toogeloo]

The Longing is stating that you have nothing to gain by not helping us, but there is an off chance that we would be willing to help you if you do, so you have nothing to lose except the game.

[Toogeloo]

I really don't think anyone is taking this game seriously >_>

[Toogeloo]

Is it Night, or is it like Dusk right now (some kinda phase before Night)?

[Toogeloo]

What is Twilight >_> ... Is that just another word for Night (why not just use the word Night??)?

[Toogeloo]

I'm still not used to these rules >_>

[Toogeloo]

That doesn't make any sense... why would we vote someone else to be lynched by declaring them to be the most pro-town? I would assume enough votes for Nobody Special could negate votes he had already gained, and likely drop him enough to put someone with more votes against him into the lynch position.

Honestly, I don't understand the system at all though. What's the point of voting during the day if Twilight votes are what really matter?

Because that's how the gods decided it.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Chronopie. You can die now.

I've been saying this forever



[Intro]
Two trailer park girls go round the outside;
round the outside, round the outside
{*scratches*
Two trailer park girls go round the outside;
round the outside, round the outside
{*scratches*

Guess who's back
Back again
Shady's back
Tell a friend
Guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back
guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back.. {*Eminem hums*

[Verse One: Eminem]
I've created a monster, cause nobody wants to see Marshall no more
They want Shady, I'm chopped liver (huh?)
Well if you want Shady, this is what I'll give ya
A little bit of weed mixed with some hard liquor
Some vodka that'll jump start my heart quicker
than a shock when I get shocked at the hospital
by the doctor when I'm not co-operating
When I'm rockin the table while he's operating (hey!!)
You waited this long, now stop debating
Cause I'm back, I'm on the rag and ovu-lating
I know that you got a job Ms. Cheney
but your husband's heart problem's complicating
So the FCC won't let me be
or let me be me, so let me see
They try to shut me down on MTV
But it feels so empty, without me
So, come on and dip, bum on your lips
Fuck that, cum on your lips, and some on your tits
And get ready, cause this shit's about to get heavy
I just settled all my lawsuits, FUCK YOU DEBBIE!

[Chorus: Eminem]
Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody, just follow me
Cause we need a little, controversy
Cause it feels so empty, without me
I said this looks like a job for me
So everybody, just follow me
Cause we need a little, controversy
Cause it feels so empty, without me

[Verse Two: Eminem]
Little Hellions, kids feelin rebellious
Embarrassed their parents still listen to Elvis
They start feelin like prisoners helpless
'til someone comes along on a mission and yells BITCH!!!
A visionary, vision of scary
Could start a revolution, pollutin the airwaves
A rebel, so just let me revel and bask
in the fact that I got everyone kissin my ass {*smak*
And it's a disaster, such a catastrophe
for you to see so damn much of my ass; you asked for me?
Well I'm back, na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na
{*bzzt* Fix your bent antenna tune it in and then I'm gonna
enter in, endin up under your skin like a splinter
The center of attention, back for the winter
I'm interesting, the best thing since wrestling
Infesting in your kid's ears and nesting
{*bzzt* Testing, attention please
Feel the tension, soon as someone mentions me
Here's my ten cents, my two cents is free
A nuisance, who sent? You sent for me?

[Chorus]

[Verse Three: Eminem]
A-tisket a-tasket, I go tit for tat with
anybody who's talkin this shit, that shit
Chris Kirkpatrick, you can get your ass kicked
worse than them little Limp Bizkit bastards
And Moby? You can get stomped by Obie
You thirty-six year old baldheaded fag, blow me
You don't know me, you're too old, let go
It's over, nobody listen to techno
Now let's go, just gimme the signal
I'll be there with a whole list full of new insults
I been dope, suspenseful with a pencil
ever since Prince turned himself into a symbol {*knife slices*
But sometimes the shit just seems
everybody only wants to discuss me
So this must mean I'm dis-gus-ting
But it's just me, I'm just obscene
No I'm not the first king of controversy
I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley
to do black music so selfishly
and used it to get myself wealthy
(Hey!!) There's a concept that works
Twenty million other white rappers emerge
But no matter how many fish in the sea
It'll be so empty, without me

[Chorus]

{*Eminem sings this twice:
"Chem-hie-la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la
La-la-la-la-la, la-la-la-la"*

[Eminem] Kids!




Aaaaand...

Vote: Chronopie

[Toogeloo]

You guys are idiots. I claimed Mere Human, before it was in anyway indicative of Alignment/role.

VOTE: Chronopie. You can die now.

Reasons pl0x

Actually, reasons pl0x all.

My reasons are still pretty much the same as before. You are lurkish, attached yourself to NS's lynch so nonchalantly, and you are active when the discussion turns off topic.

[Toogeloo]

You guys are idiots. I claimed Mere Human, before it was in anyway indicative of Alignment/role.

VOTE: Chronopie. You can die now.

Reasons pl0x

Actually, reasons pl0x all.

My reasons are still pretty much the same as before. You are lurkish, attached yourself to NS's lynch so nonchalantly, and you are active when the discussion turns off topic.

[Toogeloo]

Well, personally, I think the first day we had sucked ass. We really didn't gain any intel to work with, and the only real wagon of the day started in the RVS and nobody wanted to budge off it despite the stupidity of the whole thing. My thought is that Chronopie was opportunistic and only a handful of people were willing to be vocal about it, while everyone else was just content to let the day slide off into whatever the hell happened.

We may as well have started the game in Night phase with so little info that we gained on Day 1. Using what I got out of it, I am sticking with Chronopie as scum.

[Toogeloo]

Easy lynch? Often times, "easy lynches" are "easy" because the players are weak members of a scumteam, and they are mega-bus'ed.

That is so wrong... often times the easy lynch is just bad town play that makes it easy to get momentum on their lynch. The entire basis of the NS lynch was because he vote hopped in the RVS and he still thought we were in the RVS until his train got serious.

[Toogeloo]

often times the easy lynch is just bad town play that makes it easy to get momentum on their lynch.

[Toogeloo]

well that didn't quote very well...

[Toogeloo]

@ Toogeloo

And when it got serious, he didn't hunt scum, provided no insight, and made vague threats - like caught scum does.

often times the easy lynch is just bad town play that makes it easy to get momentum on their lynch.

[Toogeloo]

Togeloo, the case on NS was more based on his reactions to pressure than anything.

Also, to clarify: you thought NS yesterday was an easy lynch, but Chronopie today isn't?

He flipped town, so again, I reitterate

Easy lynch? Often times, "easy lynches" are "easy" because the players are weak members of a scumteam, and they are mega-bus'ed.

That is so wrong... often times the easy lynch is just bad town play that makes it easy to get momentum on their lynch.

As for the Chronopie votes, he hardly has an easy lynch going on him. I pushed for him all day yesterday, and it got very little support. A few more names have joined the "Lynch Chronopie" cause today, but it's still not an easy lynch by any means.

[Toogeloo]

So, is it safe to assume that you believe if a lynch is too easy, then the lynchee is probable town?

Likewise, if a lynch is difficult to push through, then the lynchee is probably scum?

I would agree that on Day 1 (and to a lesser extent Day 2 if Day 1 was reasonably lacking in content), if a lynch is too easy, there is a higher probability it is town. Uninformed majority don't typically get it right so easily or so fast. That doesn't mean that an easy lynch isn't scum, it's just highly more probable to be town.

Saying a lynch is difficult to pass however is scum because an easier lynch is town, that's a slippery slope. It may be possible some town don't see a person as scummy in the same way, or that scum is buddying up, or defending town. Just because it's easier to lynch a townie on the first couple days, doesn't mean it's harder to lynch scum, it's just less likely since they are informed and manipulative.

[Toogeloo]

Saying a lynch is difficult to pass however is scum because an easier lynch is town, that's a slippery slope.

It may be possible some town don't see a person as scummy in the same way, or that scum is buddying up, or defending town. Just because it's easier to lynch a townie on the first couple days, doesn't mean it's harder to lynch scum, it's just less likely since they are informed and manipulative.

Could you reword the bolded? I'm not really understanding what you're trying to say there.

Basically all I'm saying is that just because an easy lynch on first day or so has a higher probably of being town, it doesn't mean the reverse is true (harder lynches must be scum).

[Toogeloo]

Yar, I knew NS would likely flip town. Guess you have the whole scum team caught, eh DGB? It'd be nice if you had some real evidence other than just your hunches, but that's what we get for riding a RVS train to lynch.

[Toogeloo]

Weren't there mystery votes on the first day as well? Level 1 Tech Tree wasn't activated during Day 1 right?

[Toogeloo]

Mod: For the level three abilities the things we have to have are just items. Can we get that ability on night 2 or do we have to wait until night 3 to be able to get level 3 abilities?

Right from now one, just to make it clear that I am telling the truth (i've answered the same question a few times), I'm gonna post it in red >.> Oh how I love anime

You cannot unlock a new level on the Tree Tech without first being qualified to do it. You cannot obtain a new ability from the Tree Tech without first qualifying for it. If you qualify, you will get a PM. Then you get to choose from ones you meet the prerequisites for. If a person qualifies for an ability and has unlocked a level, I will inform them via PM. This is in Twilight. During the night, the players who can, must choose an ability and send me the name of their target.

In addition to this, I don't like being refered to as "Mod", just call me Hayl or Haylen.[/i]

It's Red Truth, it must be True.

[Toogeloo]

Are you actually scum hunting at this point Mr Jester?

[Toogeloo]

meh, since DGB hasn't really scum hunted, and I think she is full of it as well. She is badgering us, telling us that we are scum if she disagrees with us, and she is either imploding or she doesn't think her behavior will get her lynched. The fact that she was wrong about NS is just icing on the cake. Easily one of the worst players in this game, or she really is scum (and coming from me, I hope that stings a bit). Either way, I think I would be happy to get rid of her.

Unvote
Vote: DGB

[Toogeloo]

If my math is correct, DGB is -2 btw.

[Toogeloo]

Mmm, yeah. I thought Toogeloo was townie, last night, but given what I hinted at now (and HE -Toogeloo- should

know

what I'm referring to, if he stops for a second and uses his nuggin), this ridiculous post of his is either scum, or completely clueless town.

But I'm a sweetheart and I'll give Toogeloo a chance to think about it really hard, and come to his senses. If he doesn't, he's scum pretending not to be dumb town.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

[Toogeloo]

What does that have to do with you?

[Toogeloo]

Sorry, vote stays.

[Toogeloo]

Lynch me today, and I highly doubt any god herself could protect you from being lynched tomorrow. You don't do jack to help town, and you want to lynch two town in a row. Maybe if you were actually, ya'know, informative, you might have a bit more credit, but your anti-town behavior doesn't fly with me anymore.

If what I think you were eluding to was that you gave people Tech Tree advancements, then I don't buy it at all. It confirms too many people either getting powers or being town, however it is you are trying to describe it, not to mention no PM I received during the Day/Twilight/Night phases mention you at all, so try again.

[Toogeloo]

If what I think you were eluding to was that you gave people Tech Tree advancements, then I don't buy it at all. It confirms too many people either getting powers or being town, however it is you are trying to describe it, not to mention no PM I received during the Day/Twilight/Night phases mention you at all, so try again.

Why would you assume that it mentions me by name?

You sound like scum that's tee'd off with the thought of confirmed townies.

Then how in world do you expect me to vouch for you as town? Not happening.

[Toogeloo]

Then how in world do you expect me to vouch for you as town? Not happening.

Really.

I picked you, because I thought you were town.

I'm not making that mistake again.

Well, you were being vague enough that anyone who may or may not have gotten a tech tree advancement could be verified by you. It's easy to do as scum, and I don't buy it. That's like me saying anyone who didn't get Roleblocked last night, you can thank me.

[Toogeloo]

{b]Preview Edit: Anti-town she might be, but she is town. Don't waste your time lynching her just to try to get her out of here when CSL is far more scummy than she is. As in actually scummy, not anti-town.[/b][/color]

And sorry, I'm not "anti-town" either. I'm scum hunting, I'm keeping an eye on the players, and those that seem townie are rewarded. That's very pro-town. And it's not because I made a mistake on Day 1 (the lynch did reach majority, so it's not all on me), that I'm anti-town. Let's not start this meme.

lol, you have scum hunted for shit. Your posts are always, "He's scum, that guy is a scum buddy for attacking me, and that other guy is town because he is voting who I am voting for."

[Toogeloo]

I give legit reasons for the people I vote for.

[Toogeloo]

And I called her out on it because it didn't make sense with what happened to me.

[Toogeloo]

I don't see your case against Midnight. As for CSL, I would agree it that DGB didn't lynch NS by herself yesterday, and CSL shouldn't have made it sound like DGB twisted his arm to do so. I already know DGB has been useless in content this game, so nobody should have been on that NS lynch without cause of their own. It may have been a poor choice of words, or it could be that he is scum. I would very much still prefer a lynch on DGB however, and if his flip can be very telling of other players in the game since there seems to be a definitive line being drawn in the sand declaring sides.

[Toogeloo]

AHHHH.

If DGB flips town that clears a lot of confusion. I don't think the scums would ever kill DGB.
Toogello is either retareded town or scum.
DGB is just acting like Battle mage now. Battle mage does that as town. Oh let it be. If this guy turns up town again then I will have some issues.

unvote
VoteToogeloo

And what happens if I flip town? Please enlighten me. "Oh, he had to be retarded." Seriously? If I get lynched today, I think DGB dies tomorrow for sure.

[Toogeloo]

I never said you have to be retarded.

Toogello is either retareded town or scum.

The correlation here is that if I flip town, I will have been retarded.

[Toogeloo]

By the way... I didn't get any goodies from anyone last night, in case that wasn't clear.

[Toogeloo]

Without giving too much away, I will simply state that I am still stuck on Level 1.

[Toogeloo]

So I reflected for the last 30 minutes or so, and something wasn't adding up.

Unvote
Vote: CSL

He did do that defense of DGB twisting his arm, but I remember he was riding me for not voting NS on Day1 and called me scum for it as well. At the start of today, he stated "everyone is wrong at some point" and voted me, his number 2 suspect.

...and then I posted my lyric post, and he said, "Shit, forgot about that" and immediately unvoted me.


I think Ghost might be on to something.

[Toogeloo]

I wasn't offended by being called it, but if you were, I will refrain as well.

[Toogeloo]

I still don't understand the Hevean/Hell thing as I believe the item quantity thing was disproven.

[Toogeloo]

Do we have 3 Double Voters? Chronopie is on both lynches, and we have 2 sets of ??? on CSL

[Toogeloo]

What's with Midnight Sorrow's last two posts... Unvotes DGB and Votes CSL; CSL claims, and then he unvotes CSL and votes DGB again. No commentary or anything...

[Toogeloo]

CSL is correct I think.

As of the Votals on post 896, there are 8 votes counting both sets of question marks, it's mentioned as 7 though. There were no unvotes from CSL from 896 to 910, and two votes were cast on him (Rena at 903, and Midnight at 910).

So by all accounts, unless those aren't actual double votes, or a double vote was removed in between in secret, CSL hit 10 votes at post 910 with Midnight hammering him. Imagine the hilarity if Midnight and CSL are scumbuds and Midnight accidentally hammered.

[Toogeloo]

CSL is correct I think.

As of the Votals on post 896, there are 8 votes counting both sets of question marks, it's mentioned as 7 though. There were no unvotes from CSL from 896 to 910, and two votes were cast on him (Rena at 903, and Midnight at 910).

So by all accounts, unless those aren't actual double votes, or a double vote was removed in between in secret, CSL hit 10 votes at post 910 with Midnight hammering him. Imagine the hilarity if Midnight and CSL are scumbuds and Midnight accidentally hammered.

Imagine what will happen if you survive till LyLo.

What's that supposed to mean

[Toogeloo]

Is everyone stating that Rena and Hayl are the same person? How is that possible?

[Toogeloo]

I meant, how is that possible in the same game >_>

[Toogeloo]

That still doesn't answer the question at all.

[Toogeloo]

That still makes zero sense. Why would the same person be both host and player?

[Toogeloo]

There is too much meta of actions based on the tech tree. I don't see a lot of legit scum hunting going on, and most activity is revolving around confirming via the side stuff. I don't think anyone knows what's going on at this point, and it's all just blind finger pointing.

I'm not getting off CSL, his posts were scummy regarding his suspicions, and I see no reason to get off him.

[Toogeloo]

CSL is confirmed town now. DGB probable town. Starbuck, if you dont want to be lynched today, i'm hungry for a Midnight's Sorrow lynch.

How in the hell is CSL confirmed town now? People are making no sense with their arguments, everything is revolving around the tech tree and there is no way anyone has enough information based on it yet to confirm/condemn people. The game would be far too broken if the tech tree was able to confirm/condemn that easily.

Look at actions people, CSL is the one vote hopping today, he backpedaled his excuse to vote me, and Ghost pointed out several inconsistencies in his arguments from yesterday and today.

[Toogeloo]

This game is FUBAR'd.

[Toogeloo]

I have never been replaced in any game, something I kind of pride myself on. I just don't think people are actually scum hunting in this game, everything is meta based on and not read based.

[Toogeloo]

Unvote
Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

[Toogeloo]

You can't see it CSL, but this is me giving you the finger.

[Toogeloo]

And this is me giving you the hand.

HOS: Toogeloo

You realize the HoS and FoS mean absolutely nothing right? They are pointless.

Can I get HoS Votals please?

[Toogeloo]

Lots of Caps lately O.o....

[Toogeloo]

Would we even get that far >_> ... that would be like 3 mislynches as town if that were the case. This is kind of why this game depresses me, I don't think we've actually held a good scum hunt session since the game started, everything has revolved around meta and role claims.

[Toogeloo]

This town just sucks in general. This isn't a real mafia game by any means, not based on the type of hunting that has been going on.

[Toogeloo]

I put my vote on AdumbroDeus. I can't recall a thing he said all game which means he's probably the most town person here >_>

[Toogeloo]

I put my vote on AdumbroDeus. I can't recall a thing he said all game which means he's probably the most town person here >_>

How does that make him town?

Because everyone else has been playing with idiocy which is anti-town.

[Toogeloo]

Why is animorph still alive btw?

[Toogeloo]

And before I forget:

Maxine!! (Phone Rings)

[Maxine:] Hello
[Denaun:] Can I speak to Maxine?
[Maxine:] Yeah this is me what's up?
[Denaun:] What up?
[Maxine:] Who dis?
[Denaun:] Denaun
[Maxine:] Yeah what's up?
[Denaun:] What are you doing?
[Maxine:] Nothing, just laying in bed
[Denaun:] Huh?
[Maxine:] Nothing, just laying in bed
[Denaun:] Why?
[Maxine:] I don't know, thinking about something freaky to do

[Verse 1: Eminem]
I know this crack fiend Maxine who needs a vaccine
She tests positive but tells you that her act's clean
Plus she got a sugar daddy
Asking every hooker that he takes in to crook her badly
If you mistook her sadly, on her reputation
You're in jepordation, if you ain't got no preparation
When you step away son, she got her face done
Looking provocative, she'll let you knock it if
You press the issue and get undressed to kiss you
If you match the price, otherwise she won't look at you twice
But when you catch the lice, or get the urgency
To go to the emergency cause it burns to pee
Don't bring your germs to me, cause I ain't trying to hear it
While your fighting you fucking disease trying to clear it (Maxine!!)

[Verse 2: Denaun Porter]
Sometimes I wonder, what's your purpose? In life that is
To get with every brother and unveil one of his kids, shit
You living trife, got three kids at home and club hopping every night
You say it's gonna stop but it.. just.. slows.. down
And then speeds back to a regular pace, there is no end to this
Mystery, whatever your reason even is to be
You say you wanna be with me, but how can you say that
When you got niggas hiding in your closet
I refrain from getting angry but you keep on that strangely

[Verse 3: 3]
I met this girl last week, she was a freak, and she liked me
So I stepped on it and then asked my homies
And chilled on the side and then watched they niggas
Big game over there and take notes, while I get this number
I stepped to her first I cleared my throat and said "Hey Bitch..
Haven't I seen you before?", looked at my nigga
Turned around and got slapped throughout my hands
And said "Oh it's like that?"
She said she just broke up with her nigga and shit
She started crying, and asked me to forgive her and shit
She said her name was Maxine, so I told her I wanted her number
She asked could I give her mine two
Got to the crib and called her up
We got into a good conversation that's when she asked me could I fuck
I said "Maxine check this out,
Give me your address I'll be through and you'll find out"
Got to the crib she let me in
She didn't waste time she grabbed my hand and proceeded to the bedroom
I said "Hold up, and stop proceeding, you rushing things"
What the fuck are you doing?
So I went for my protection, took off my clothes and started flexing
As she went for my midsection
I threw her down as I tore off her shirt
Pulled out my jimmy and I thought about putting in work
Before I hit it she said
"3 don't get mad but there's something that I gotta tell your ass"
I said "What is it, another nigga? It's ok"
She said "No I forgot to tell you, that I got AIDS"
I got up out

[Denaun:] Hey, Maxine
[Maxine:] What
[Denaun:] You thinking about sucking my dick?
[Maxine:] Yeah for a small price
[Denaun:] For a small price? What you mean?
[Maxine:] You know, money nigga
[Denaun:] You don't need no damn money,
I can't give you no money anyways, I heard you got some shit.
[Maxine:] (laughing) What you, what you hear I got?
[Denaun:] AIDS
[Maxine:] (laughing) Who told you that bullshit?
[Denaun:] My nigga Kyu, he wouldn't lie
[Maxine:] Well if that's the case, Kyu got it then
[Denaun:] Oh for real, it's like that?
[Maxine:] (laughing) Well I ain't got shit,
so he ain't got shit, and if he do, he ain't get that shit from me,
I ain't fucking around with no 3rd nigga
[Denaun:] Fuck that, I ain't fucking with you
[Maxine:] No, see..
[Denaun:] You got that shit, I ain't gotta fuck with you
[Maxine:] Hold on, why it ain't even like that
[Denaun:] I want ya'll to get paid, fucking..
[Maxine:] (laughing as the phone hangs up)

[Toogeloo]

what? did you get a PR or something?

I've done this every day phase since the game began... You are just now asking me about it when others have already asked and I have explained?

[Toogeloo]

BM and Togeloo are the most suspicious of the vote, but GW did stall the wagon. So do what you think.

GW wanted to lynch CSL, and tied MS into it. We went from DGB to CSL yesterday and then diverted to MS. My suspicion would be that whoever diverted us from CSL to MS would likely be the most suspicious today.

Vote CSL

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo, your logic has a hole.

You said your suspicion would be who diverted from me to MS would be the most suspicious, yet you vote me. I did not want to lynch MS. I wanted to lynch DGB. Now, can we please lynch DGB this time?

Nah, I'm not voting for who diverted it, I am voting for who originally should have been lynched before it was diverted.

[Toogeloo]

Will keep it in mind if CSL flips scum; there is a high probability the redirection was caused by scum as well.

[Toogeloo]

On V/LA until Sunday night.

[Toogeloo]

Back from V/LA.

Why is it some people get abilities and others don't on the tech tree? lame...


How did CSL get off the hook from his wagon? I just kind of skimmed through and all of a sudden Vezo has a train and DGB is proclaiming CSL town.

[Toogeloo]

Drop: Holy Water

[Toogeloo]

I think it's because Nik said to... but this game has been nothing but sheeping anyways, so what can be expected?

[Toogeloo]

Oh thank god... I was beginning to think I was alone in that sentiment >_>

[Toogeloo]

...that's a no-shitter.

Can't say I have ever heard of this expression.

[Toogeloo]

This game is hilarious >_> ... I don't think I have seen a worse display of actual scum hunting ever. Let's train that guy! Now let's train this guy! Now that guy over there! Where will the Wheel o' Trains stop today?!

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo, in what way is this helping? I see no scumhunting. I just see fluff.

I'm not moving my vote off of CSL, I provided my case some time ago. At this point, I am just waiting to see town choke to it's adopted playstyle for this game.

[Toogeloo]

Vote Count!

MehPlusRawr (7) - Nikanor

[1]

, Vezok

[2]

, Sharkfinn

[3]

, Chronopie

[4]

, ???

[5]

, CSL

[6]

, DrippingGoofball

[7]

, ???

[8]

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is currently set at Friday 27th August 9pm GMT+1

Clearly, one of the Double Voters doesn't count, DGB really is voteless, or someone used a power on MPR to increase the necessary votes to 9 to lynch.

[Toogeloo]

Obviously you have not read the thread. This was already discussed on Day 2.

I remember bringing this up on Day 2 myself actually, and it wasn't really discussed at all.

[Toogeloo]

HAYLEN: When did zoneace get two votes?
Why I am not voting MPR?
To erase all doubt.

unvote
Vote MPR

wth worst attempted hammer ever.

Vote: MPR

I'm Ash Ketchum, the future Pokemon master. I'm a VT IIRC (I don't remember if it was actually called VT, this is just from memory.) I haven't had a chance to get on the tech tree.

Please tell me this game is almost over...

[Toogeloo]

I think DGB has called everyone town at some point in this game except for Nobody Special.

[Toogeloo]

Vote: CSL

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo, I don't care if you're poting lyrics or not. Start being productive, or I'm going to vote you.

I like this wagon.

Vote: ZazieR

lulz

[Toogeloo]

And, thanks for reminding me too btw... that could have been bad.


Where's my snare, I have no snare in my headphones, there ya' go, yeah, yo', yo'...

Have you ever been hated or discriminated against, I have, i've been protested and demonstrated
against, picket signs for my wicked rhymes, look at the times, sick is the mind of the
motherfuckin' kid that's behind, all this commotion, emotions run deep as ocean's explodin',
tempers flaring from parents, just blow 'em off and keep goin', not takin' nothin' from no one,
give 'em hell long as i'm breathin', keep kickin' ass in the mornin', an' takin' names in the
evening, leave 'em with a taste as sour as vinegar in they mouth, see they can trigger me but
they'll never figure me out, look at me now, I bet ya' probably sick of me now, ain't you mama,
i'ma make you look so ridiculous now...

[CHORUS]

I'm sorry mama, I never meant to hurt you, I never meant to make you cry, but tonight i'm
cleanin' out my closet, {one more time}, I said i'm sorry mama, I never meant to hurt you, I
never meant to make you cry, but tonight i'm cleanin' out my closet...

I got some skeletons in my closet and I don't know if no one knows it, so before they thrown me
inside my coffin and close it, i'ma expose it, i'll take you back to '73, before I ever had a
multi-platinum sellin' Cd, I was a baby, maybe I was just a couple of months, my faggot father
must have had his pantie's up in a bunch, cause he split, I wonder if he even kissed me goodbye,
no I don't on second thought, I just fuckin' wished he would die, I look at Hailie and I
couldn't picture leavin' her side, even if I hated Kim, I grit my teeth and I'd try, to make it
work with her at least for Hailie's sake, I maybe made some mistakes but i'm only human, but i'm
man enough to face them today, what I did was stupid, no doubt it was dumb, but the smartest
shit I did was take them bullets out of that gun, cause id'a killed 'em, shit I would have shot
Kim and him both, it's my life, i'd like to welcome y'all to the Eminem show...

[CHORUS]

Now I would never diss my own mama just to get recognition, take a second to listen who you
think this record is dissin', but put yourself in my position, just try to envision witnessin'
your Mama poppin' prescription pills in the kitchen, bitchin' that someone's always goin'
through her purse and shits missin', going through public housing systems, victim of
Munchausen's syndrome, my whole life I was made to believe I was sick when I wasn't 'til I grew
up, now I blew up, it makes you sick to ya' stomach, doesn't it, wasn't it the reason you made
that Cd for me, ma, so you could try to justify the way you treated me, ma, but guess what, your
gettin' older now and it's cold when your lonely, and Nathan's growing up so quick, he's gonna
know that your phoney, and Hailie's getting so big now, you should see her, she's beautiful, but
you'll never see her, she won't even be at your funeral, see what hurts me the most is you won't
admit you was wrong, bitch, do your song, keep tellin' yourself that you was a mom, but how dare
you try to take what you didn't help me to get, you selfish bitch, I hope you fuckin' burn in
hell for this shit, remember when Ronnie died and you said you wished it was me, well guess
what, I am dead, dead to you as can be...

[CHORUS]

[Toogeloo]

I march to the beat of a different drummer apparently... these bandwagon days are ridiculously stupid, but scum hunting has been lost on this group anyways. My vote on CSL is for the same reasons it always has been.

[Toogeloo]

lol

[Toogeloo]

I feel the need to point out that we are in Mylo, but I don't think it matters.

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP: we are "probably" in...

[Toogeloo]

If you want my overall thoughts, I think it is extremely unlikely that town had two double-voters. Chronopie is probably scum, so scum and town both had a double voter for counterbalance. CSL is scum for the reasons I have been on him every day. Probable that Starbuck is scum unless she just idled out of the game.

At any rate, I would be fine with either CSL or Chronopie...

maybe

Starbuck.

[Toogeloo]

I feel the need to point out that we are in Mylo, but I don't think it matters.

You think there's a single scum group of 4 or 5 remaining?

I think 4 scum for sure... possible SK given the kills. Mislynch today is 10, 2 kills at night against town would be 8. 4 scum in 8 is a win for scum.

[Toogeloo]

ya'know... I'm willing to favor the odds here.

Unvote
Vote: Chronopie

...absolutely not buying 2 Town Doublevoters. I thought Chrono was scum back on Day 1 and 2, when he said he was Doublevoter and proved it, I figured I would give him some rope. But we had two claimed Doublevoters on Day 2, and I figured it best to see which one flips town. With Nik dead, I am back to wanting Chrono dead. Like 85% of the players in this game, he has just been along for the ride, throwing his vote(s) on wagon after wagon.

[Toogeloo]

Have you NOT been paying attention? The extra kills have pretty obviously been a vig. Also, IF there is an SK, unless the SK dies, we're not in MYLO, even if there are 4 scum still alive, because the scum can't auto win at 4 of 8 with an SK alive.

As I understand Mafia win conditions, Mafia simply need to equal the remaining town numbers. At that point it becomes impossible to lynch every day, and in the evening is just shots being traded.

And unless someone claimed Vig and I missed it, it's impossible to tell if the kills are coming from an SK or a Vig. Show me how I can think otherwise.

[Toogeloo]

TOOGELOO, READ THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER.

MAFIA CANNOT AND WILL NOT WIN IF THEY CONTROL THE VOTE WITH AN SK ALIVE. THAT MEANS, IF THERE ARE...6 PLAYERS ALIVE. 3 MAFIA, 2 TOWNIES, AND AN SK. THE MAFIA CAN'T WIN UNTIL THE SK IS DEAD.

Make sure you read it. Again. And. Again.

okiedokie... sorry I missed that rule. Which number was it?

[Toogeloo]

Well, rather than spend the day arguing about Mylo or not, maybe some constructive conversation about the game can be had? We have a Zazie wagon with no argument, and then my votes... are we just gonna follow the wagon again, cuz if so, I will be on V/LA until the day is over I think.

[Toogeloo]

It's part of my role PM... I must share my music with the players of the game (my mind, my votes, and my music). I won't say what happens if I don't, but suffice to say it sucks.

[Toogeloo]

Whatchu' gonna do about it beside post this:

Splooshhh

vote: ZazieR

...and this:

ZazieR isn't lynched?

Best scum hunter ever, mirite?

[Toogeloo]

The town has no hope if we're all just gonna sit here play follow the leader like we've been turned into a human centipede with our mouths sewed to each other's asses.

I kind of want to see that movie for some sick reason, and now it is mafia inspired >_>.

[Toogeloo]

Why aren't there more votes on Chronopie? Do you all truly believe we have 2 Town Doublevoters?

[Toogeloo]

Zone is hardly a shepard... I haven't seen a vote from Zone that everyone leaped on to wagon (as is the norm).

[Toogeloo]

So we have two guys who can't use abilities?
I really am doubting your claim. I have my role and I know I what I am. I don't Hayl is so bastard to put two of the same roles in it.

Two no ability getters? Two Double voters? Two Gift Givers?

[Toogeloo]

That being said... I have a hard time seeing a Microwave as a Human >_>

[Toogeloo]

@ the fact im a microwave with the role human: This game has had weirder characters in it. I see microwave as a decent option (and possibly explains why I havent gotten anything). Eminem, Ramna 1/2 (japanese manga), cotton eyed joe, and thomas crapper...Haylen definitely has a funny mind

Everything that is claimed or flipped is humanoid in some way... A microwave is REALLY out there.

[Toogeloo]

I could get on this wagon >_>

Unvote
Vote: DrippingGoofball

You think Zazie is scum, someone who has worked with you to determine who should get upgrades... this suggests that there is a reason to not trust one of the two of you. Your recent appeal to emotion makes you look worse too. You have declared practically everyone in the game town at some point with little to no basis as to why, and several of those you call scum have flipped town. You obviously don't have that much of a meta read on everyone, and you are wrong... a lot. This leads me to believe you either don't know jack, or you know more than you are letting on and shouldn't, so you are masking it.

The game is pretty bad anyways, and if you want to lead your own lynch in such an emotional presentation, more power to you, let me show you the door.

[Toogeloo]

So now we are lynching the one who I was trying to lynch since Day whatever.

UNVOTE; VOTE: DGB

Actually, you are wagoning baselessly again, but whatever...

[Toogeloo]

unvote

I think DGB is just done... while it's an AtE for sure, there is too much WIFOM in it. Self voting to start his wagon is one thing, but I have hated CSL since Day 2, and the second he got on the wagon, I really despised the feel of it.

I think Sharkfinn is a worthy enough exchange, though I still think Chronopie is more likely scum as I can't see two town doublevoters, and their seems to be an argument that there is a scum to town counterpart with similar roles.

Vote: Sharkfinn

[Toogeloo]

Woah. Hold the phone.

Do you have any damned reasoning for that? If DGB flips scum, you're next.

Apparently you fail at reading.

[Toogeloo]

For both of you thinking I am scum, I certainly have avoided your votes.

[Toogeloo]

You two are like two peas in a pod ^_^

[Toogeloo]

I think the scum team is starting to make itself fairly obvious at this point as we get closer to end game. Humorous that my two primary suspects are on my lynch, and that Chronopie, who claims he didn't feel comfortable with doublevoting this close to end game has no fear of putting both his votes on me right now.

[Toogeloo]

I have no tech tree abilities. You already know this.

For all intents and purposes I am a VT.

[Toogeloo]

I am fairly certain that Sharkfinn got hammered, no one on Sharkfinn unvoted when Starbuck voted. So all of this last minute scramble is rather ridiculous.

[Toogeloo]

Of course, this would be the third time I figured a player got enough votes to be hammered and was apparently wrong.

[Toogeloo]

If I'm so scummy, maybe I will luck out and get vig'd tonight so I don't have to listen to you anymore.

[Toogeloo]

You actually can't right now, thanks to Starbuck.

If Shark flips town, Starbuck and Tooge are scum.

If Tooge is scum, that means Shark, and I, are town. Therefore, Starbuck would be obvscum.

More info with Tooge lynch.

Hey... what happens if Shark flips scum? Does that mean you are scum?

[Toogeloo]

Wife is upgrading my computer for my birthday, on V/LA until Sunday/Monday depending on the speed of the repair center.

[Toogeloo]

[Chorus:]
I'm not afraid (I'm not afraid)
To take a stand (to take a stand)
Everybody (everybody)
Come take my hand (come take my hand)
We'll walk this road together, through the storm
Whatever weather, cold or warm
Just lettin you know that, you're not alone
Holla if you feel like you've been down the same road (same road)

[Intro (during Chorus):]
Yeah, it's been a ride
I guess I had to, go to that place, to get to this one
Now some of you, might still be in that place
If you're trying to get out, just follow me
I'll get you there

You could try and read my lyrics off of this paper before I lay 'em
But you won't take the sting out these words before I say 'em
Cause ain't no way I'ma let you stop me from causin mayhem
When I say I'ma do somethin I do it,
I don't give a damn what you think,
I'm doin this for me, so fuck the world
Feed it beans, it's gassed up, if it thinks it's stoppin me
I'ma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly
And all those who look down on me I'm tearin down your balcony
No if ands or buts, don't try to ask him why or how can he
From "Infinite" down to the last "Relapse" album
he's still shittin, whether he's on salary paid hourly
Until he bows out or he shits his bowels out of him
Whichever comes first, for better or worse
He's married to the game, like a fuck you for Christmas
His gift is a curse, forget the Earth, he's got the urge
to pull his dick from the dirt, and fuck the whole universe

[Chorus]

Okay quit playin with the scissors and shit, and cut the crap
I shouldn't have to rhyme these words in the rhythm for you to know it's a rap
You said you was king, you lied through your teeth, for that
Fuck your feelings, instead of gettin crowned you're gettin capped
And to the fans, I'll never let you down again, I'm back
I promise to never go back on that promise, in fact
Let's be honest, that last "Relapse" CD was ehhh
Perhaps I ran them accents into the ground
Relax, I ain't goin back to that now
All I'm tryin to say is get back, click-clack, blaow
Cause I ain't playin around
It's a game called circle and I don't know how, I'm way too up to back down
But I think I'm still tryin to figure this crap out
Thought I had it mapped out but I guess I didn't, this fuckin black cloud
still follows, me around but it's time to exorcise these demons
These muh'fuckers are doin jumpin jacks now!

[Chorus]

And I just can't keep living this way
So starting today, I'm breaking out of this cage
I'm standing up, I'ma face my demons
I'm manning up, I'ma hold my ground
I've had enough, now I'm so fed up
Time to put my life back together right now! (now)

It was my decision to get clean, I did it for me
Admittedly, I probably did it subliminally
for you, so I could come back a brand new me you helped see me through
And don't even realize what you did, believe me you
I been through the ringer, but they could do little to the middle finger
I think I got a tear in my eye, I feel like the king of
my world, haters can make like bees with no stingers
and drop dead, no more beef flingers
No more drama from now on, I promise
to focus solely on handlin my responsibilities as a father
So I solemnly swear to always treat this roof, like my daughters
and raise it, you couldn't lift a single shingle on it!
Cause the way I feel, I'm strong enough to go to the club
or the corner pub, and lift the whole liquor counter up
Cause I'm raising the bar
I'd shoot for the moon but I'm too busy gazin at stars
I feel amazing and I'm

[Chorus]

[Toogeloo]

Leveled up, apparently.

Now that we know SharkFinn was town, how about we lynch some scum?

Vote: Toogeloo

You'd still be wrong.

I'm still 100% sold that Chronopie is scum. CSL I'm starting to wonder about because I'm not sure he would put himself that out there for as he did.


What of Starbuck as well?

[Toogeloo]

bleh, actually, Hayl doesn't keep page one updated. I missed the deaths even though they are like size 30 font.

8 players, maybe do or die now? Would we be at 2 or 3 scum left? If it's 3, we are in Mylo... I think.

PEDIT: I hate analyzing Vezok because I think his VI-ness makes reading him a null tell. It could be that he's scum if we are at 3, as I would lump Chronopie in there, and possibly CSL still (becoming less sure of him though).

[Toogeloo]

According to mish mash, vezok is quitting MS. Not inclined to vote just yet because I don't think it's fair to us to choose at the moment.

I yelled at him until he stayed ^_^

[Toogeloo]

DGB and Rena should probably weigh in... speaking of which, when I think of this game, Rena is quite literally the last person I even think of, that can't be good.

[Toogeloo]

I really hate you guys for not settling on the quite obvious Chronopie.

Vote: Chronopie

[Toogeloo]

Do you honestly believe town had

2

Doublevoters? I'm more inclined to believe that one was scum. Consider Chrono's lurking play the entire game, and his missteps (claiming not wanting to Double Vote in end game, but did it yesterday to counterwagon). He didn't even mention me today, this is a sign he is trying to follow majority.

He has been my number one suspicion for the last few days, everyone just ignores him though.

[Toogeloo]

Didin't DGB discredit the voteless thing saying he can in fact vote?

[Toogeloo]

Do you honestly believe town had

2

Doublevoters? I'm more inclined to believe that one was scum. Consider Chrono's lurking play the entire game, and his missteps (claiming not wanting to Double Vote in end game, but did it yesterday to counterwagon). He didn't even mention me today, this is a sign he is trying to follow majority.

He has been my number one suspicion for the last few days, everyone just ignores him though.

I'm not going to get in the business of trying to outguess the mod, ESPECIALLY this one.

One of the players in this game is vote less however. When you factor that in, the presence of two double voters only actually nets town 1 extra vote. It's a strange way of thinking about it, but it's certainly feasible if you think about it that way.

Also, look past the double voter thing, and just look at Chrono's play.

[Toogeloo]

'Cos my

Imitate

said you don't have any...

I can't use abilities. Never been able to the entire game.

[Toogeloo]

Well, the lyrics allow me to use abilities if I get them, but I have never gained an ability or a level up the entire game. They also have the added negative of being a posting restriction that can harm me if I don't do it. They take one post and like 30 seconds worth of time to look up lyrics, so I haven't had a reason not to do it yet.

[Toogeloo]

Interesting OMGUS from you too btw. I assume your "I'm not double voting in the end game to prevent hasty lynches" comment earlier has gone out the window?

[Toogeloo]

The lyrics only allow me to use my items. I still need to have abilities and levels unlocked like every one else, which has never happened for me.

[Toogeloo]

I don't get what you are trying to say. I tried using an ability on the first night because I had Invisible Ink and Holy Water. Hayl said I couldn't because I didn't qualify and that I would know if I had. I have not received a single PM all game stating that I have received an ability.

[Toogeloo]

I even tried dropping my Holy Water (by the way, I only have one item currently, my non-droppable Invisible Ink), and I still haven't gained an ability. I don't have a clue how the tech tree works, so in all essence, all I have done is been a vanilla all day.

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP: day = game.

[Toogeloo]

Same reason the first post of the game says the last person that died is GhostWriter.


I think it's fairly obvious I haven't had a clue how the tech tree works in this game, but it's fairly obvious that scum are manipulating the lynches since the only scum deaths have come at the hands of the SK/Vig. I personally don't think town deserves to win this game after what we have played.

[Toogeloo]

Whatever...

Unvote
Vote: Toogeloo

That should be 5 on me. No one vote for me in Twilight, I'm sick of this game.

[Toogeloo]

@Hayl - I apologize for violating Rule 7

[Toogeloo]

So since there is no stopping my lynch now (I lead Vezok by 4 votes, meaning I think I need 6 Twilight votes to put Vezok ahead of me, which can't happen with the number of scum remaining), someone tell me how the tech tree works, because I guess maybe I just wasn't doing it right.

On Night 1, I told Hayl that I wanted to Roleblock DGB using my Holy Water. Hayl told me I couldn't do it because I did not qualify for ability use. She kept using the term "[REDACTED]" over and over which I didn't understand. I never got any qualification PMs as the game went on, so I just assumed I never qualified for anything.


Also, I did get to Level 2 on Night 1 from DGB, I just never was approved to ever use abilities from any level. Also, I really don't need to post songs, that was just me having fun, though it did get some interesting reactions. That's about it.

So what have I been doing wrong with the Tech Tree that I don't understand?

[Toogeloo]

At the time I made the claim way back on Day 1, I figured that items were consumed when you use abilities. I think the tech tree is actually the killer this game, too many people meta'd it early on based on who got abilities and who didn't. No one scum hunted at all until just a couple days ago. The tech tree ended up being too big a distraction.

[Toogeloo]

There have been 2 kills every night except Night 1.

Diginova. Cotton Eyed Joe (Black guy). Human. Killed Night One

AlmasterGM. Satan (Satan). Demon. Killed Night Two
Adrien C. Frodo Baggins (LotR). Heavenly Halfling. Killed Night Two

Nikanor. Brian (who knows.). Double Voting Human. Killed Night Three.
Ghostwriter. Buffy (BTVS). Human. Killed Night Three.

Starbuck. Hiei (Fire Demon from Yu Yu Hakusho). Demon. Killed Night Four
ZONEACE. Scoobie Doo (Scoobie Doo). Human. Killed Night Four


Night 2 suggest Serial Killer since Ghost was one of the most obvious townies in the game, and the Double Voter were killed, though CSL didn't care much for Ghost since Ghost was responsible in part for Midnight's lynch who was one of CSLs followers, so it's possible CSL shot Ghost for it. Lack of Night 1 extra kill could have been overlap or protected in some way.