Square Enix III: (Game over)

[ZazieR]

I have arrived.
Enjoy my dramatic entrance (Or my whip if you like that more) for now. The read will come tomorrow.

[ZazieR]

Detailed version coming up soon, which is really needed.

UNVOTE: Gandalf VOTE: Dram

[ZazieR]

@Billy
In post 129 you vote for Chrono based upon being wagony. So why no other comments against other votes that can be seen as wagony?
Billy catches my attention again later on when he’s asking xRECK to elaborate why Dram isn’t scummy. This to me indicates that Bill thinks that Dram is scummy. If so, why no comment on Dram?

Dram’s vote against Gandalf is way too scummy. Obv misrep and he even keeps it going after it’s explained why it’s a misrep. In case you start again with the ‘I did not misrep’, this is what happened:
MS – What would you say if I’d accuse you as scum right now?
Gandalf – I’d wonder how you could have figured me out with one post >.<

And you’re stating:
MS – What would you say if I’d accuse you as scum right now?
Gandalf – You can’t accuse me as I’ve only one post.

See the difference.
How is Gandalf’s vote OMGUS? He has a reason behind his vote. Just because he voted you, who is voting him, doesn’t OMGUS make. It’s all about the reason. And yes, your vote is scummy.

Then comes Quadz’s only post that I think is scummy. The apologising in case it appears he’s prolonging the RVS. But it’s by far not enough to see him as scummy.
With that said, Devo’s post against Quadz. Though Devo is town, I disagree with what he’s posting here. Quadz hasn’t posted much content, but ever since his only scummy seeming post in my opinion, he has been trying. You say that he’s complaining about productivity. In this matter, you can see that he thinks it’s scummy. That does count as content from Quadz. He’s trying, which is why I disagree with the case against him.

Not liking xRECK as well. He gives me the impression of mis-using his ‘alliances’. Also, his BV vote is so scummy. Following a weak case is your reason, xRECK? But what did you do when you voted Gandalf, which was based upon a misrep?
Talking about that vote of yours, how come you didn’t spot Dram’s misrep?
Also, now that you know Dram’s vote was ‘wrong’, what’s your opinion on it? Did it come from Dram-town or Dram-scum and why?

Though I don’t agree with the ‘logic’ Kdub posted, I do agree with him regarding Chrono. Chrono’s implied chainsaw defence from Kdub to Gandalf is BS. I want to hear from Chrono what he thinks about Dram’s vote against Gandalf.

Nero needs to explain his vote against Devo. Because it seems to me that it comes down to disagreement about mafia theory and Devo asking only one player a question. And to both I’d like to know why that makes Devo scummy.

@Gandalf
How come it’s somewhat suspicious for Fate to not post in caps?

@BV
Nothing else regarding xRECK’s vote against you? And if so, how come?

so ya'll can lick on DEEEZ NUUUUUTZ

No thanks. I’m much more interested in lynching Dram.

[ZazieR]

But I've caught scum and I'm telling why. So I'm giving what you want. And as reward, I'm getting ignored?
Betting this is all xRECK's fault

Anyway, I did post about Mitsuru. As for Charlie, I was going to kill him. He got lucky. But there's no point in telling what I saw. It is very likely good for me and Charlie if I keep it hidden ^.^

[ZazieR]

@Quadz
-Opinion on xRECK please.
-Could you comment on each vote you've received so far?

@Billy
First things first. You are Billy. Live with it. Ignoring me is the dumbest move you can make.
Anyway, I'd like to have a little bit of mafia theory with you. One game says nothing about a player. I can give many examples. But to keep it short, I'll keep it with Chrono for now. How do you know he always plays like that as scum? How do you know he doesn't do the same as town? These can't be answered based upon one game.
Might have more on this later on, but for now, one question: How come you've never asked Chrono for his reason(s) to vote Quadz?
I'm also interested in hearing what your definition is when you state that somebody is being wagony.

Due to your post, I have a request: Please state reasons why the players listed as 'need to be looked into' should be looked into.
Talking about this, I find it interesting that you think they should be looked into, yet you do nothing to do so. The only player who you've questioned is xRECK who didn't make your list, which raises the question: Was this due to you liking his answer or was he never on that list to begin with. Please explain why you aren't looking at those players.
Back to the real post I was responding to, do you also want to explain why you didn't feel the need to comment on Dram as it was already stated by other players, while you did feel the need to comment on a post from Quadz which was also commented on by other players?

If one more person tries to say that the CAPS LAWK/buttsecks alliances are obvbuddying I'm going to slam my head against a brick wall. You guys are seriously reetahdud.

Why is quadz still breathing?

No worries, xRECK. As you should have read, I'm not stating that it's obvbuddying. I'm only stating that it seems you're misusing the 'alliances'.
Just repeating this as it was posted in a whole paragraph aimed at you with questions and the like, which you didn't respond to. To help you out, a nice little quote for you:

Not liking xRECK as well. He gives me the impression of mis-using his ‘alliances’. Also, his BV vote is so scummy. Following a weak case is your reason, xRECK? But what did you do when you voted Gandalf, which was based upon a misrep?
Talking about that vote of yours, how come you didn’t spot Dram’s misrep?
Also, now that you know Dram’s vote was ‘wrong’, what’s your opinion on it? Did it come from Dram-town or Dram-scum and why?

Oh, and Quadz town. That's why.
You on the other hand look scummy scummy scummy. Your latest posts aren't helping you. And especially due to them, you should respond to the above quote of mine. We'll discuss this further after you've responded.

And Gandalf needs to show up as well. He's on my scumlist. My whip wants to have some fun time with you, so please show up.

[ZazieR]

Because I'm not really paying attention.

Is this your answer to all my questions I've asked to you or is this explaining why you didn't answer them?
As you might remember, there was something else I wanted to talk with you about, xRECK. And now we can:

I'm defending dram because I don't think he's scum, I just think he has a weak case.

Dram, I think it was clearly a case of RVS

DON'T MAKE ME VOTE YOU I DON'T WANNA

Want to explain, xRECK?


Billy, Billy, Billy. Are you seriously trying to ignore me? I'll say it once more, this is not a smart move. Respond to my previous post and this one in your next post, else it's time for the next step.
In this post, we'll discuss your Quadz vote. Because earlier, you stated that you weren't quite ready yet to hop on the Quadz wagon. In that same post, you stated that you find him slightly suspicious for posting fluff in his long post. However, after that, Quadz has posted other things. So why did you vote Quadz now and what's your opinion of Quadz posts later on?
I'm also not liking your 'defence' of xRECK.
But there is one thing that's worse: Your FoS against BV. Just a little bit of research and you'd have known that he has posted V/LA in 4 games. This attack is terrible.


xRECK's newest attack against BV is wrong as well. Read again and you'll find out that he's not voting you based upon you not responding to posts with questions aimed at you. You are just trying to shift the attention elsewhere. For those interested in why I'm saying this:

quadz08: 7 (inHimshallibe, Nautilius,

xRECKONERx

, Devotress, Midnight's Sorrow, Chronopie, bill1148)

Seriously. More bv310 votes would be appreciated.

Even you aren't voting BV, xRECK. Him asking Fate to vote BV isn't helping him either to look more town.


I'm glad that Prana responded a bit to Dram. The only thing that's missing is the main word in what Gandalf said towards MS question, the response also known that Dram misrepped:

I’d

wonder

how you could have figured me out with one post >.<

No way is that equal to what you stated, Dram.
But I disagree with Prana on one thing. Gandalf does look scummy to me due to the combination of what has been posted by him and his absense.

Mod, could you prod Gandalf?

Last, I'm too interested in who's Salazar top scumpick is. I'm not liking his reason not to vote.

[ZazieR]

Hey xRECK, most of the players were interested in how you reacted towards the Dram lynch in your QT. I'm also interested, but for a different reason. So could you tell us about it?
Talking about my neighbourhood, Nero, we still have something to discuss. For those who don't know what happened, I asked Nero to restate his reasons for voting Devo. He stated in our QT that it was due to Devo bandwagoning. But as we all know, Devo wasn't the only one. Though Nero only had a discussion with Devo about it. His explanation to this is that not all bandwagoners can be scum (which had a 'lol' attached to it) and that Devo is the only one who stated it was town play.
This explanation is lacking. First of all, Devo started with an explanation to show why bandwagoning isn't stupid in his opinion. And later he has a discussion with you about it as you were attacking him for it. So no, Devo stating it's town play isn't scummy as he got attacked for it.
Secondly, in one of your posts it does show that you think bandwagoning is scummy. Sure, not every bandwagoner has to be scum. But if you only look at one in detail, how do you find out whom is of the bandwagoners?

And last there is Bill. In our QT, I was nice enough to call him Bill as well and I asked him to respond to my posts. But after that, he was absent. So please do so now.

[ZazieR]

As you might remember, there was something else I wanted to talk with you about, xRECK. And now we can:

I'm defending dram because I don't think he's scum, I just think he has a weak case.

Dram, I think it was clearly a case of RVS

DON'T MAKE ME VOTE YOU I DON'T WANNA

Want to explain, xRECK?

Explain...what? I don't want to vote dram but he was pushing a weak case on a RVS vote.

Exactly my point. From your posts, I get the impression that supporting weak cases is scummy to you. So why is it that you're stating that there was scum on Dram's 'weak case-wagon', but that you 'defend' Dram, eventhough you didn't like his action?

xRECK's newest attack against BV is wrong as well. Read again and you'll find out that he's not voting you based upon you not responding to posts with questions aimed at you. You are just trying to shift the attention elsewhere. For those interested in why I'm saying this:

quadz08: 7 (inHimshallibe, Nautilius,

xRECKONERx

, Devotress, Midnight's Sorrow, Chronopie, bill1148)

Seriously. More bv310 votes would be appreciated.

Even you aren't voting BV, xRECK. Him asking Fate to vote BV isn't helping him either to look more town.

But I'm always READY to vote bv310. Like so:

Unvote; Vote: bv310

.

So the reason you weren't voting BV before being called out on it, is?

Nero needs to explain his vote against Devo. Because it seems to me that it comes down to disagreement about mafia theory and Devo asking only one player a question. And to both I’d like to know why that makes Devo scummy.

Suppose Player X and Player Y commit the same "scumtell." Player A makes a case against Player X for the scumtell, and there is discussion about X and yadda yadda yadda, X eventually gets lynched as town. Both Player Y and his scumtell fall largely off the radar, especially as the game continues (especially since today's MS meta involves a lot of forgetting about past cases and events), and Y never really gets attacked or suspected for having commited the same scumtell, which is just as legitimate as the case that A used to get X lynched.
There is a strong A-Y scum connection here. Though Nero didn't identify who specifically he felt Devo was favoring (and I can't yet either -- there are a lot of scummish lurkers in this game), I would assume that Nero feels that Devo is going to shine the lurker light on "SUPER POPULAR BANDWAGON QUADZ," try to finish off an already popular lynch, then forget about the whole lurker thing. At least, that's how I personally feel about it.

As pointed out, Nero had a different reason to vote Devo. But I'm glad to see this, because it means that you agree with me that Nero is scummy.

Zazie, please explain why your antagonization of Bill about his name is a protown decision. If it's alpha-male bullshit, please swallow your massive ego like a hot load and call him Bill. Thanks in advance.

You're calling me out, but not Bill? Seriously? I could have accepted it had you called out Bill that he should just respond to my posts as ignoring based upon how you're called is BS. I could have accepted it had you called me out on my ego, but also Bill. But just calling me out, while letting Bill do as he pleases, I cannot.
And no, it was to see how Bill would react as it's just scummy to ignore with such a reason.


REMINDER: Bill needs to respond to my posts. Definitly after post 371.


I'm not liking the way how Nero is trying to justify his vote. Twice, he's referring to Glork that Glork thinks the same way as he does about Devo.

The same goes for xRECK's post 385. Not being on a wagon is scummy, being on Dram's wagon is scummy. Besides, he knew deadline was coming and many votes were made during that timeframe.

@Chrono
Want to point out those 'certain similarities' between Dram in this game and Dram in SE I?

@Vezok
Wanna state some suspicions?
@Glork
You're stating Vezok looked town in the QT. Could you give more information on that?


I do not support a wagon of MS, Prana or Quadz.

VOTE: Bill

[ZazieR]

Bah, would be V/LA starting this friday, but I've got no internet at home anymore

So, V/LA from today till 8th August

However, I expect Bill to respond to my points against him. You can look for themselves.
And I want to correct you as I didn't suspect Devo. Nice try, Bill.

[ZazieR]

._.
BV is town.

[ZazieR]

Bill, you're ignoring again.

Also, forgot to

VOTE: Bill

[ZazieR]

Zazie PM'd me ONCE AGAIN BUT ISN"T POSTING COME ON ZAZIE POST BECAUSE THEY DONT BELIEVE IVE BEEN PMING YOU

I remember getting a PM in which you state that I was getting replaced. Afterwards, I check the thread and see that I am replaced. So don't blame me for not posting.
Anyway, I'm catching up in all my games. So I hope to get to this game either tomorrow or friday. But it's good to see that a Vezok lynch might happen. I haven't seen the posts that were made while I was absent, but based on those a Vezok lynch is good, whereas a bv lynch is not. You'll hear it later if this has changed or not.