Stephoscope 163 wrote:Reading him in iso, I find it pretty likely that he is scum. I don't like all the little suggestions that he is town.
Little suggestions by whom? bvoigt or others?
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Ivy 165 wrote:By claiming i "want" to be investigated. When what i said was that i had no qualms about being investigated if someone with the ability felt uneasy about my presence. It is not a INVESTIGATAE ME NOW. But the individuals choice.
I didn't like it when you first said it, and I don't like your clarification either. This looks like backtracking to me. I just do not understand the mentality behind "Investigate me, then you'll see I'm innocent!" It almost screams Godfather to me.
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gonnano 167 wrote:I don't particularly object to a ThAdmiral wagon right now, but I'd like to see what exactly people are finding so scummy about him before I buy in. What vague posts or hints at inside information has he made?
He calls David "marked as town" without having mentioned him at any time prior in response to someone suggesting otherwise. When I asked him about it, he said it was because of his "goodposting" without any references as to why, what, or how. At a couple of points he implies that he's feeling strongly about Fur as town-aligned, but later drops that in favor of Fur slipping on daytalk for the scum. He just makes these very short little blurbs about whatever is going through his mind, but it's really rubbing me the wrong way. It's like he's trying to give out as little as possible so he can back away from any position at anytime. His position on Fur 7 pages into the game went from town, to scum, back to town. This isn't necessarily scummy, but it might be when you're just tacking onto others.
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Ivy 179 wrote:I would just like to point out Furcolow is abstaining from my wagon.
Ive seen him play as town and he is one who bounds ahead regardless of anyones welfare but his own. Ive not seen this side to him and we have only played together as towns.
Point well taken.
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Ghost 190 wrote:Yay, more softclaiming! Because that's what we asked for! And ATE to top it off like a cherry on a sundae!
I actually agree with this, Ghost. I wouldn't put it by Fur to think that this is acceptable, though, so I have a hard time punishing him for it.
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I like BotS' post
193. So far so good with him.
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Pie 204 wrote:Not liking him defending Rat (very heavily, too). And I also don't like that we're almost 10 pages in and he doesn't even have a vote down. Aside from defending Rat, his ISO consists of IoA and questions that go nowhere. Do not like.
Thanks for replacing in, Pie. I like this opening post. This is a wagon you can really sink your teeth into. I didn't realize that Ghost hadn't voted yet.
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Ghost 208 wrote:The vast majority of those people, town or scum, are using the same reasons to be on it. Since both are VI's, there are numerous ways to get onto the wagons without looking scummy. I've been spending the majority of this game trying to find who the scum are on both wagons. No doubt, most of, if not all, of the scum are on one wagon or the other by now.
I don't like this post. I don't like the concept of trying to figure out who scum are without using your vote. That's the number one tool at our disposal right now. I mean, why not vote? No one is asking you to throw it around willy nilly, just use it effectively.
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ThAdmiral's post
209 is okay. I'm feeling a little better about him in general.
This game is really flowing well and I'm glad I'm in it. I really like a lot of the posts people are making.
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David's post
234 is essentially how I feel about Llama's plea. I get where he's coming from on jmj, it's just a shame that jmj has kind of lurked his way out of suspicion. I'm not prepared to vote rat on just that quote though. It may be a part of something bigger, but I'll hold off on that for now. The only thing that really strikes me as odd is that this causes David to vote rat. It seems a little weak for just this one sentence to really trigger his vote, and I'd like him to elaborate more on this.
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jvw 241 wrote:I'm sorry guys, I'm going to have to replace out. Bed rest until some indefinite point in February (argh!). I wouldn't have signed up if I'd known. I'll look forward to calling you all liars, cheats and backstabbers at some other point in the future.
Sorry to see you go, jvw. I was looking forward to playing with you.
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Scott's post
243 is a good addition to what Llama has begun to scratch at. I see some really valid points here.
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Ivy 247 wrote:There are a) too many people slipping off the radar and b) there were far too many people on my wagon for them all to be innocent. It gained rapid velocity because of my own speculation on the set up.
You can't do wagon analysis on a player that hasn't flipped yet, Ivy. I mean, I'm open to any argument involving lame sheeping onto your wagon, but I'm not going to sit here and say that it's a scum-driven wagon with any certainty.
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David 248 wrote:It gained rapid velocity because in all honesty you are probably still scum PI.
Then why are you voting rat? I don't like this comment at all.
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Lowell 271 wrote:GW in iso:
0- pre-game questions
1- meta discussion of setup
2- re: pre-game questions
3- re: pre-game questions
4- meta discussion of setup
5- meta discussion of setup
6- asks why he is being voted
7- re: pre-game questions
8- re: pre-game questions
9- commenting on a wagon
10- commenting on a wagon
11- commenting on a wagon
12- explains why he isnt' voting
13- commenting on a wagon
14- commenting on a wagon/self-defense
15- asks why he is being voted
This about settles it. There are plenty of good votes today, I think, but Ghost may be the flip I most want to see.
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Nacho 272 wrote:HELLO TOWN RC!
Hello, Nacho! I like your post, even though I don't agree with all of it. What makes you think margaret is scum? ThAdmiral mentioned this as well. I just do not see it. She's one of my top town picks at the moment. Then again, I've had a surprising amount of praise for everyone this game. A lot of cases are making sense to me right now and a lot of good points.
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Ghost 289 wrote:I looked up a little bit extra before getting distracted (Wikipedia; start in one place, end up in anime no matter what), so I've got some ideas of what to expect. Granted, you said it was fine, I was responding more to those who had a problem with what I said.
That's all well and good, but why are you still not voting after all this? Are you just being stubborn about it? I can't imagine a pro-town reason behind this position you've clearly taken against using your vote as a scumhunting tool.
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gonnano 291 wrote:Something about this seems a little off to me. Does Llama know something about the setup that I don't? Is he defending GW indirectly?
No, I think he's being pretty direct about it. I suppose he just puts more stock in setup speculation than those voting Ghost do.
Or, you know, he's scum, but I'm not feeling that at the moment.
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Scott 301 wrote:I'm not lying. I realize you haven't posted anywhere since that comment. But you have quite a bit of volume around the time of that comment elsewhere, but not in this game. I also find it pretty interesting how quickly you responded to this. Monitoring the thread much?
Unvote
Vote: LynchMePls
Are you prepared to go all-in and say that LynchMePls is lying about his inactivity for reasons of illness/disinterest? This seems like very poor rationale to vote on without really opening both barrels on LynchMePls. There's no way you'd be able to convince me he is active lurking in any sinster way when his vote is already firmly planted on the highest wagon. I mean, using active lurking on the first day of a 24-person game? Really? I just can't stress enough how lame the vote comes across as.
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Fur 308 wrote:vote: jmj3000
for promising but not delivering.
Quit throwing your vote around over stupid things. You've got this once-in-a-lifetime position of being seen by me as probably town, don't screw it up.