Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[SpyreX]

/confirm

[SpyreX]

I think the Tribune needs to not be afraid to veto.

HOWEVER, they better have a good damn reason.

Vote: Primate

Mostly for having the right idea.

[SpyreX]

In general? Not sure.

Me? At least out of the gate I want to draw blood. I want to direct the kill, not stop it. Maybe after being awesome I'll retire to my throne of skulls and wave my hand at the plebs.

But for now?

SPQR WHAT WHAT

[SpyreX]

Uhhh.

Lucy you've got some splainin' to do. I'm really having a hard time seeing the motivation scum side BUTT I'm sure missing townside too.

[SpyreX]

What sens said.

ANYWHO, if the liars wont admit to lying then scum be in there. (The why I dont understand, but).

[SpyreX]

It really is.

Just pick a method with what we have up (the list) and split into two. How about even and odds? Done. Done.

I'm down for seeing a town reason for the pairoclaims - the only reason that I'm hesitant is that while I don't see a town one, I SURE don't see a scum one.

Lets move away from that for now to the important things:

I want to see some wagons forming for the Tribunal. I'm still very pleased with Primate and think this is a very good call.

Not voting - (Powerrox93, ribwich, Katsuki, xRECKONERx, Porochaz, dramonic, horrordude0215) <--- is unacceptable.

[SpyreX]

I'd go out on that limb and say chess is town. That said, /emo better stop now or death.

Additionally Sens is probably town as well.

Did I miss the town reason for this set of events?

[SpyreX]

Where the f#$% are all these chesskid town reads coming from? He's pointing out a bunch of nulltells-at-best and expecting us to find them scummy.

Not townish. At all.

Look deeper young padawan.

Misguided and ragefilled, its still

trying

.

[SpyreX]

I could get behind pseudo-voting (although I'm right now saying I'm not keeping track of it. )

I feel like we're stuck in mud though and the nuggets of good are already being covered in spew. Blah

[SpyreX]

I like me some Porochaz.

I, again, would like to see votes consolidate and I'm all but convinced Primate is the best call at the mo.

[SpyreX]

I agree that Primate is the best call, but we need to have a clear-cut #2 in votes, or else we don't get a second one.

Fair enough.

Whats the VC look like? Lets go ahead and start nipping this business in the bud so we can get to the important stuff

[SpyreX]

You're damn straight any tribunal or consul is going to get shit from me if they try and excuse any decision by saying it was what the majority wanted.

<3

[SpyreX]

What in the hell happened here?

Gimme a bit (tonight/morrow) and I'll try to parse real glroking targets NOT what just happened.

[SpyreX]

I didn't get caught up here near enough and I am going to a football game tomorrow but:

The last page and a half makes me hurt inside. Just. Stop.

The only gem is this:

On a different note, we need more input from:
Pretty much everyone but Sens, Jack, Primate, Chamber and Nathanael.
Mod: Can't we get some prods?

Its less a gem and more a mystical diamond made from evil but hey if someone wants to dance the dance I'll get to it.

[SpyreX]

GOD that was a long day.

For killin:

Powerrox: Has done nothing. Well, thats not true - he tried to jump on the chess hate after his spew of one liners.
scotmany: "Jack is scum" "Jack is scum" "Jack is scum" "Sens is scummy" "Ohh here's why I'm lurking" "PROD THE LURKERS (which is apparently most of the game)". Additionally, if there's some mystical reason and rib and Jack both are town I'd guarantee a scot scum under the kill em all.
xReck: Needs to DO SOMETHING. Jesus.
Kat: Needs to do something even more than xReck. Two posts - with 100% rate of "i'll catchup, promise".

Hate-belly says kat.
Gut says scot.

[SpyreX]

Ahhhh nothing like watching ADHOMS up ins and not a peep about my calling him out.

What is the proper dance steps to summon the bolt?

[SpyreX]

I like your style inHim.

I'd disagree with Sens and Horror for the moment though. Sens is pretty town if grating a bit. Horror I want dead but not right now? I'd rather hit one of the ones at least pretending.

What you think about scot?

[SpyreX]

Hold up.

You say you forgot about the game but know about the "chesskid stuff"?

Yea, my bad inHim you win this round.

[SpyreX]

Please. God. Stop this.

Real things are happening. I'd love for both of you to comment on Kat's little "Ohh I forgot about the game but I know what happened in it" business.

[SpyreX]

DERP

So you forgot about this game but saw page 15?

And, for the record:

Oh this game has started?

Will read it when I have time.

Chesskid is giving me headaches.

I have yet to read this game due to holidays. One more party tmr, and then finals over the next two weeks. I will try and stay on top of this game though.

Um, so I forgot about this game.

Can anyone sum up what happened during the voting stage? I remember jack and I think ribwich claiming consulmaker?

In short, does not want to read through chesskid stuff.

[SpyreX]

(that is 75% of Kat's posts with the other one being DERP)

[SpyreX]

Honestly, I don't think it's much to look into, but I don't want to say why until Kat responds.

:headdesk:

What?

Why?

Jesus

[SpyreX]

So, you come back, click on page one, check the list, go ohh chesskid isn't here BETTER SEE WHY, run an iso and see he was replaced for spamming.

Chamber god in heaven no. NO. Please no.

P.Edit:

Yea, when I saw that I was curious too. So I, ya know, CAUGHT UP ON THE GAME.

[SpyreX]

And jesus you called me scum for that. OHH MAN.

[SpyreX]

I started counting the number of people I wish I could execute. I ran out of fingers on my right hand.

Amen.

Its time for sleep.

I hope the sense fairy (not to be confused with the SensFan) comes and visits the thread.

[SpyreX]

Pseudo-vote: Kat

I AM A DOUBLE VOTER

Pseudo-vote: Scot

[SpyreX]

Mod you are officially awesome.

Only I am allowed to be a double voter. It is known.

[SpyreX]

Yea:

Powerrox: Has done nothing. Well, thats not true - he tried to jump on the chess hate after his spew of one liners.
scotmany: "Jack is scum" "Jack is scum" "Jack is scum" "Sens is scummy" "Ohh here's why I'm lurking" "PROD THE LURKERS (which is apparently most of the game)". Additionally, if there's some mystical reason and rib and Jack both are town I'd guarantee a scot scum under the kill em all.
xReck: Needs to DO SOMETHING. Jesus.
Kat: Needs to do something even more than xReck. Two posts - with 100% rate of "i'll catchup, promise".

Of that group three are lurkers that bother me.

Scot was (order nonwithstanding) the one that got my goat the most.

That is until Kat actually posted. I'm absolutely not buying the series of events that would require that post to not be full of garbage (hint: that is what happens when you 'active lurk').

So, the other two could still go but I'm only a double voter and given the choice its Kat > Scot >>> Power/Reck

[SpyreX]

The HATE-belly was because of the lurkers the "i'm gonna catch up promise" being all the posts is the kind of stuff I'd vig for.

The gut is more braver.

That changes when we get what we got from Kat.

[SpyreX]

Abrasive != scummy.

I've got good feelings all over about Sens being town.

Not that I agree with killing one of the two as its panned out TODAY (especially when there's others so deserving)

[SpyreX]

He's on the short list at the mo'. Not of the same level as DERP but I need some bite.

(P.S. you too)

[SpyreX]

Why in the ass is this game obsessed with taking two steps forward, one step back.

"Random" is tech but arbitrarily splitting a list with a random element (such as, ohh, the signups by something like ohhh, evens and odds) solves the same thing. Lets go ahead and be awesome and not waste more time on this.

That said JESUS H be glad I don't have access to the gun because watching TWO of you go "ohh I really like that idea" when it IS EXACTLY THE SAME NET RESULT MAKES HULK SMASH.

The consuls will devour themselves and thats fine. Lets go ahead and not focus more f-- on that either.

Hows about we talk about the slag and how rediculous it is instead. I'm not home so I haven't got to check but SOMETHING MYSTICAL tells me that Kat's been active on site. If I see ANY posts from horror that aren't in this game that can move up the list too. Also awesome how scot popped in and fled.

And I'm still waiting from real boy content from the wonder twins.

[SpyreX]

JESUS PICK A PLAN AND GO

a) want the katsuki lynch
a) want the katsuki lynch
a) want the katsuki lynch

GUYS

[SpyreX]

:headdesk:

Feysal is fairly awesome while being super wrong about Sens.

The only other thing that has happened makes me seethe with rage. So

[SpyreX]

why

just why

halp

[SpyreX]

Vote: Primate

Maybe when I'm back home I can go into more detail why rib's stance irritates me to no end confirmed or not.

I'm still betting town, but Jack dies today.

[SpyreX]

Yea, lol, WIFOM is for death.

[SpyreX]

Lets not forget, additionally due to awesome yesterday Kat is still alive.

I want that remembered and dealt with soon (as in tomorrow).

(I also wish tomorrow meant both real and game days)

(Thats me saying the makeout fight is going to take too long)

[SpyreX]

I couldn't either until lol, wifom.

If today had started with some form of Yea I was joshin MAYBE but not that.

Never that.

Death to false tyrants.

Long live real ones.

[SpyreX]

Confirmation doesn't make you automatically smarter and more braver. Hell, if anything, it enables the sheeps too much.

(I.e. I REALLY DOUBT chamber got NK'd because of PR hunting).

Does rib's opinions hold more weight because we KNOW they're not scum motivated? Sure.
Does that mean I trust him as judge, jury and executioner? Hells to the no

[SpyreX]

It does the heart good when a consul straight up isn't reading the page he posts on.

Real good.

[SpyreX]

Who's in the what now?

Primateeee

[SpyreX]

@Spyrex: You hijinxin' on my radar sonnijim.

Well ok as long as that didn't have anything to do with the words THERE sure. Because that was confusinating.

[SpyreX]

My computer was suffering from the doom and that was supposed to be quoted.

[SpyreX]

Yea, this is still for killing.

Lords almighty lets move with a purpose.

[SpyreX]

:headdesk:

[SpyreX]

I'm seriously not amused.

If there are better choices than jack WHO ARE THEY?

Kat still? Or how about this gem:

omg.
don't you see ribwich is CONFIRMED TOWN?
you are definitely totally, awfully wrong in this game. on everything.
and since I know your townplay is better than this, you are scum.

Parama is town too btw.

[SpyreX]

How many scum do you think are in this game and how many do you plan on catching?

scotmany, xreck, and lowell are scum. Agree/disagree.

Ohh sure.

21 players with a single death PROBABLY a unified team of 5-6. IF we see more than one death 2 teams of 3.

All three of them? Too easy. However, considering you're probably scum I'd say pretty confidently one in there. Maaybe two.

[SpyreX]

Hiya, still here.

Catching up still, but 724 in some sick way makes sense to me. Jack was and is the obvious consensus favorite. He will continue to be, probably. I don't see the harm in giving him another day. Whining about it, on its face, seems a little odd to me. If you're sure he's scum surely amid those convinctions you stumbled on something else you believe as well. I've seen him fakeclaim before as town, surely it's at least possible as town here.

The hell kind of logic is this? "Everyone wanted Jack dead therefore lets wait".

[SpyreX]

I could see that UNTIL the explanation was WIFOM instead of coming clean.

[SpyreX]

[quote=Feysal"]The second death last night also implies another killing role. The bodyguard could not have killed dramonic without being killed himself, and the backup should not have had the power yet. Even though I suggested dramonic and reckoner might have been scum distancing, I doubt a town vigilante would have dared to go for dramonic, particularly with Jack still alive. That means there is most likely a serial killer. Carthaginians maybe?[/quote]

This is spot on with my thought process. I am junked at dram and reck being scum together and I'm having a REAL hard time processing Jack being scum with them which makes what should have been easy money a bit harder. I'm still leaning fat hard that way but.

Its tempting to lurker purge (Leon is lord of this with some compatriots Mert and Scot). I need to reread under the premise that Jack isn't the play. Nathanel is itchy in that way BUT I'd bet SK over mafia at the moment with the KILLER BACKRUB all over rib.

Unvote, Vote: Feysal

Sensfan, Poro, Panama are also acceptable.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh SNAP Kat is still in the game and alive?

Yea, lets get this voting done and then its droppin bombs.

Nathaniel gets to go real soon too saying Jack is town AND Sens is scum. Woooooosh

[SpyreX]

People who strike me as scum:
Feysal
SpyreX
scotmany12 (this one's shakier than the others)

There better be words to accompany all three of these because one for three in that slot isn't good odds.

[SpyreX]

I don't understand your meaning of "one for three in that slot isn't good odds". Good odds for what?

Lack of understanding doesn't mean not giving words but sure I'll play along:

Of those three names one has any real chance of being scum. I'll let you figure out which one!

[SpyreX]

ANSWER THE QUESTION.

LAST TRY.

[SpyreX]

What's really handy is putting some context to your demands. Like, to whom they're addressed.

Doubly awesome when it references stuff that's not on the current page.

Just sayin'.

Funny thing is.... you, the person who that was obviously addressed to, responded.

And, in fact, mentioned the TOUGH HARD LIFE DATA it in fact referenced.

And, THEN, had the gall to not answer.

(p.s. I'm shooting youuuuuu once the voting is done)

[SpyreX]

Again, you could have chose to answer.

Hell, you could have even chose to answer THEN.

Yet, nope, 2 hard

[SpyreX]

I've never, ever, ever expressed anything resembling distaste for that slot promise.

One last try. Answer the question.

[SpyreX]

Seriously, I don't get it. Why the hell are you people not willing to see him hang? His lie dominated D1, added absolutely nothing to anything until he's confirmed Town, and forced the Consulmaker to pick D2 Consuls from a randomized list of half the people. What in the name of Bahamut has he done to make people think he shouldn't be lynched?

See, I've been going through this myself.

HE hasn't done anything that makes me feel better. But, with dram AND reck being scum I don't see the connection there. I could be missing something that would make me nuke him with supreme prejudice BUT I'm hesistant due to that.

Then, on the flipside, you've got this garbage I'm dealing with until the doomclock turnith. Because it takes a lot of stones to go "Ohh gee I don't see the question implied in asking for rationales for my 'reads' even though it was PRETTY CLEAR EVERY STEP OF THE WAY I knew what you wanted"

[SpyreX]

(I'm hoping to finish before it gets to that point)

But, you're right.

Actually, since I'm multitasking and can't look back - was it Dram that tried to kill Jack starting that chain of events?

[SpyreX]

I guess I need to really mull it because would Dram throw double busses? Because no way in hell ever is Jack an SK.

Two scumteams?

What am I missing? Help me Sens

[SpyreX]

What info does it pull out besides the actual consulmaker in a 2 setup?

I'm not sure if 2 makes more sense but I sure don't believe that was a town shot even if it was victorious.

On the plus/minus side if its 2 scumteams dram/reck has AT MOST 2 left but probably just 1.

[SpyreX]

Judge him on tells, on attacks, on slips, even on meta, BUT DO NOT JUDGE HIM ON HIS GAMBIT.

This would be awesome but go ahead and show me the myriad of things he's done that aren't a direct function of said gambit.

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Hahahaha.

I asked you to explain your reads.

Not only have you repeatedly been unable to do that you've played the semantic coy card over and over.

Dead in the face.

@Fonz: I need more with what you're talking about with scot because AT THAT POINT no way. Even now, probably no way. But then? Hoss no.

[SpyreX]

No one sees Feysal-town ooze?

Boo.

Unvote: Vote: The Fonz

657: Hey SpyreX, can you elaborate on this? Why do you think chamber was NKed?

I thought this was pretty clear?

D1 had two very clear town: Primate and Chamber.

Considering the starting options (PR Hunting / Lobotomization / Town-killin / Saving ones Hide) for scum choices it was fairly clear one of, if not both of them, were high-priority NK targets (I wont be surprised to find out the other kill that didn't happen was either protected on Primate or both shot at Chamber).

NOW, this Jack business. Again, with Dram AND Reck being scum I'd be really, really freaking surprised to see him flip Pyrrhic. An SK is suicide even under the GF-SK clause. So, Jack's flipping scum only if there's two scum groups. IS that worth the shot over others that want it so bad it hurts (Magua)?

[SpyreX]

Woooah, Woah.

I don't 'oppose' a Jack lynch. I'm talkin about it. I'll kill him without hesistation.

I just want to kill others a bit more.

AND I'd much rather take someone who's actually playing and discussing versus "OMG CONF TOWN / VETO" every day of the week.

[SpyreX]

I still don't understand why people are thinking this. Nath's explanation did nothing for me. Why is is so farfetched to think that Dram could have been bussing both of them?

Its that combination.

Dram-scum throwing a quick shot out at Jack-scum would make sense because Jack SHOULD have been dead man walking.
When that got vetoed, considering the overall chance of Jack-scum actually making it to end game, throwing a shot out ANOTHER scum doesn't make a lot of sense.

[SpyreX]

Then why throw the Jack FIRST?

It just doesn't add up. Mind you, that doesn't phase me from shooting Jack but I would be real, real surprised to see a Pyrrhic flip.

[SpyreX]

I missed it in the edits:

YES, I don't think Jack is scum with Dram and Reck. Consering the NK a second group isn't out of it AND he's gots to go so yes I would kill the hell out of him.

[SpyreX]

@SpyreX. I'd like you to clarify your stance on the Jack-affair. I really don't see the logic in your position. please correct all the following assumptions:
a) you belive Jack can't possibly be scum with dram&reck
b) you believe there might be a second scumteam
c) you believe in LaL-policy and are more than fine with lynching Jack
d) you have absolutely no evidence that shows there might be a second scumteam, and on the contrary, the game-title suggests otherwise.

a.) Highly unlikely. Possible? Sure. Probable. No.
b.) Yes.
c.) More a lynch all stupid gambits policy. This holds true for about 95% of liars.
d.) FFFFFFF WELL DONE I HAVENT SAID CLEARY THAT I THINK THE DRAM KILL WAS NOT DONE BY TOWN

Ohh wait, I did.

If Jack ends up dead and isn't Pyrrhic but is scum can I PLEASE be consul again so I can shoot him first post of the day?

[SpyreX]

I don't think Jack is scum with Reck and Dram because it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I think he needs to die, for sure. I think if he flips non-Pyrrhic we need to pool our go-juice together and power bomb Nat.

[SpyreX]

Alright, different approach:

Sens, Fonz, Feysal, Poro:

Who should I kill? Magna, Jack, WILD THIRD OPTION?

[SpyreX]

I was waiting for the damn consuls to be chosen.

Although, its for the best because MY snap response would have been Maugnaererweare or whatever (its not Magna but it is in my brain so)

[SpyreX]

No I'm not 'acting' I'm all but POSITIVE I know what you're all going to say.

I just want it said again.

And things like Nat's come out from it as well so that's nice.

[SpyreX]

Have the consuls been chosen?

I've waited this long, I can wait a teeny bit more.

[SpyreX]

Sorry, totally missed it:

Execute: Jack

[SpyreX]

Bodyguard should claim later, for sure.

[SpyreX]

I've got a veto?

Waived if its me.

[SpyreX]

It takes stones to not even address Jack flipping scum.

By stones I mean bullets go there.

Vote: Primate

[SpyreX]

Parama is probably town.

Not for that, but.

Regardless may be the worst argument in the history of arguments here so lets just go ahead and stop it.

Nat needs to die a lot. An extra lot. I was wrong about Jack but to be that vehemently wrong and not saying anything is the prep to back away from it.

[SpyreX]

Also unless its some kind of magic quadra-step plan Magua is probably town.

[SpyreX]

Sens is still town.

The sheer volume of muttering and no bite on lowell makes me think he's town as well and scum can't decide if its worth taking a real bite.

[SpyreX]

What do you mean by the word 'bite' here?

There's too many people toying with the idea and not enough pitchforks ready for blood.

[SpyreX]

Considering Shan also thinks I'm scum BUT I like the attempt I'm going with double plus bad aim town.

Does 'I'm absolutely going to execute him if he doesn't shape up' not count as a pitchfork? Also notice how after the whole game going by, basically, without the usual scum tying to scapegoat Lowell stuff happening, Lowell still tries to turn around today and use that as his defence. All I can say is if Jack was trying to get Lowell lynched, he wasn't trying very hard. People who Jack wants to lynch normally get lynched.

You're a different boat.

I mean, Nat is going "Ohh yea I'd be fine" and thats it. And there are others.

[SpyreX]

If it were to be crusading against a lurker today (which I'd still much rather see Nat eat the rope) after watching the way this has went down I'd put way higher odds on scot than lowell.

[SpyreX]

I'd still rather see Nat eat it.

IF that wouldn't fly I could give other options better than Lowell of the nothing brigade.

[SpyreX]

And normally I'm down with putting them against the walls.

I just have that feeling deep, deep inside this is a wasted shot.

[SpyreX]

You missed my point. What worries me is the idea that Lowell indeed flips town, which is more likely than not, and that mislynch is then followed by more. I know I am town, and I've begun to think Parama may be too.

This is the first thing you've said that gives me pause and I don't like it in the twilight hours.

[SpyreX]

Fonz should have a comfortable majority.

Unvote, Vote: Feysal

Nat rode the Jack town train way too hard. That, combined with the next day towel-around-head approach is what got me.

[SpyreX]

WELP

Unvote, Vote: Fonz

Needless to say feysal would be my second choice but hey

[SpyreX]

Hey SpyreX, you classified Scot as a lurker yesterday. Were you talking about at that point in the game only, or do you think he has been lurky overall?

Overall. Yesterday late was the first spur of actual activity I remember.

And, once again, Nat's posts are survival oriented. In that seedy slimy way.

[SpyreX]

No?

You're the beetlejuice of the game.

And you've done it here, again.

[SpyreX]

Then call me mr ludicrous because while you posted pretty words all those posts are the same song over and over again. Well done.

However, in making me go back to try to find the mystic waldo you were talking about (hint: waldo is dead and perhaps never existed) I did find a gem of gems that is beautiful:

I missed it in the edits:

YES, I don't think Jack is scum with Dram and Reck. Consering the NK a second group isn't out of it AND he's gots to go so yes I would kill the hell out of him.

wouldn't you want to wait for evidence of a second scumgroup then?
I agree that as soon as there is a good reason to believe there is a second scumgroup, we shall kill Jack.
wanting to kill him without that sort of evidence totally contradicts your read on him not being scum with dram and reck.

Unless we've got a SUPER AWESOME doc in combination with the double bodyguards (I doubt this) there's one scumteam.

Which makes this just beautiful in retrospect.

[SpyreX]

Good lord its not mission critical.

FORCE a scum hand today and out they go.

I'm more than a little wroth at this and I am taking back my Feysal good feelings entirely.

Parama may be right on the head.

[SpyreX]

Except i did.

It doesn't take a million words to say survival-focused.

Thanks, try again.

[SpyreX]

And mine is?

WOOSH keep on keepin on.

It doesn't need a bullet point case to call a scum a scum sometimes good lord.

[SpyreX]

Or you can look at the structured difference in posting between throwing everything at Jack being town and the subsequent next day and on.

However you want to cut it.

[SpyreX]

Yep you sure summed it up on me. Because I didn't think it made sense for them to be the same team.

God in heaven I'm back to thinking your town but make my teeth itch.

(The points on Nat are pretty much part and parcel of what I've been saying in regards to self-survival, fyi)

[SpyreX]

Maybe Feysal - he's starting to give me the itch.
Maybe you.

I'd rather get THIS done and move to the next part when the next part comes.

[SpyreX]

Its more a twinge from the late day seeming pedal away from the miskill AND some weird dialogue today, especially in regards to the consul.

I'll detail it more when I'm home.

[SpyreX]

...

How would, in nice concise terms, making Nat a consul 'force sens out of his tunnel'

[SpyreX]

Good lord the walls.

Simple. Tribunes cannot be executed. If Nathanael were elected as one, he could not be executed, and SensFan would have to choose someone else. Looks like he is threatening to choose me in that case, I'd like to hear what his case is on me. Disagreements do not scum make.

I'm not following this at all - because it would be exactly what you said. Instead of Nat getting the bullet you'd get the bullet.

Well, of course, Nat would veto that. So, all this would do in practicality is make sure neither you nor Nat could be lynched.

Which does ??? for seeing if Sens is town. Because, I'd eat a hat on top of everything else if this was a bus.