Metropolis: Revisited [Game Over]

[Toogeloo]

/confirm

[Toogeloo]

wasnt I recently just "caught" for making this same mistake?

Actually you were. The fact that others argued it was just an honest mistake doesn't eliminate the fact that you slipped as Mafia in Cyclic.

VOTE: Wraith

The dynamics of one vote / day definately will change how scum-hunting is done in later days. It's going to be fairly impossible to do anything related to V/CA unless Reaper is a kind Overlord and regularly tracks "Votes"

I suppose now we wait to see what dead body drops from the sky ...

My gut doesn't like the tone of this post. So let's have some fun...

[Toogeloo]

Strike: MagnaOfIllusion

Out of the RDS we go!

[Toogeloo]

It was the tone of the last two sentences that I don't like. The last one in particular, about watching which dead bodies is overly fluffy for communication, and almost sounds as if he is prepared to be around for the next day to plan our next course of action after the bodies have dropped.


The Vote system is also silly because it is a simple way to control player's striking. I have now made it so that more people will either strike me or Magna if we are going to make it through this day with a "lynch," otherwise we all now have a wasted strike on a player.

[Toogeloo]

For all those who hate my strike... fuck you.


Let me put it to you this way. Civilianship is practically a 50/50 split in this game, so we hardly encompass a uninformed majority. Worsening this yet, is the fact that 3 three player groups have the ability to manipulate sway, one from a subgroup, so technically, with a smart inner circle, 7 people can more or less control the sway of information. 2 people will be trying to avoid attention, so they will be willing to go with whatever flow they can get away with.

Hence, voting is retarded because it is FAR too easy to manipulate vote sway and convince people to smite a player. I am more willing to trust individual line of thinking than ANY bandwagon that forms in this game, especially since votes don't mean shit. You want to convey a point, you strike.


I am 100% clear on how striking works, and I fully intended to strike the first negative gut feeling I had before the game even started.

[Toogeloo]

NOOOPE GOTTA DO IT, MAN.

DAYSHOOT: TOOGY

Claiming Day SK?

[Toogeloo]

The chances are high as hell that both the players to your left and right are scum.

Exactly the reason why allowing a majority of players to control how we strike is a BAD IDEA. Voting serves no purpose this game other than to allow civilians to be manipulated. I did fully expect backlash though, hence the reason I stated the RDS was going to end with my Strike.

As I said before, it was a gut shot, and with the amount of anti-town in the game, I am taking my chances with almost a coin flip. If you decide my way isn't what you want, my Strike being used isn't a like we just lost the game; we aren't in LyLo, so stop flipping out over it. It's done, so you can live with it, you can do something about it, or you can do something with it.

[Toogeloo]

For all those who hate my strike... fuck you.

As if you couldn't predict what the response would be. You're doing this just to get attention. Congratulations on succeeding.

It's true. But there are silver linings to my intentions as well.

[Toogeloo]

I was premeditated before the game started that I was going to strike impulsively on my first gut reaction... is that better MoI ?


In all seriousness, I knew I can get away with it because:

1) It ended the Random Discussion Stage.
2) It promotes such interesting discussion.
3) It got wagons going!
4) My strike wasn't going to be lost on Day 1 of the game. I did it first to prevent this from being a problem.


Sure, it's nice to see the WWSDT arguments, but I don't give two shits about that appearance or argument. I do approve of the reads that are coming out of the controversy since then.


Agree/Disagree: We have better reads because of the conversation that came from me striking on page 3 than had we just sat here and threw votes back and forth that carried no weight whatsoever.


I also think it's funny that just because I don't have a strike anymore, that suddenly my voice is useless. Good job town. If you think that's the case, then why are there no votes to strike me down today, being a useless player and all?

[Toogeloo]

I have no idea how to read Wraith's posts.

[Toogeloo]

In regular voting mechanics, Hrezs is at L-3. How are we doing this, anyways? Once someone get's voted to technical L-0, we all mass strike?

Need over 60% for a Striking death, otherwise they could just end up hospitalized, and since you guys are adamant about this voting mechanic, I wouldn't go by standard L-#.

[Toogeloo]

Because I've played with Toogeloo. He's not the type to vanish after doing something stupid. I don't know Wraith.

Several problems with this.

1. You assume that I think what I did was stupid and would be more ardent to defend my playstyle.
2. Several players have been vocal about not listening to a word I have to say, so why should I put forth the effort today? I am clearly not going any where any time soon with doubt of my alignment, and my less vocal playstyle this game.
3. You've played with me, what, once? Hardly makes you an expert on my playstyle. Just sayin'.

[Toogeloo]

DGB is making me suspicious. Not her normal self this game.

She makes a list, and then the rest of her posts are fluffy.

[Toogeloo]

There are 3 members per gang.

[Toogeloo]

DGB, anything besides fluff on your mind?

[Toogeloo]

I think SC was referring to a defense from you ABR...

[Toogeloo]

DGB is making me suspicious. Not her normal self this game.

She makes a list, and then the rest of her posts are fluffy.

too bad you used your strike already....how awesome you have "opinions" but now dont have a strike to actually back them up...guess that makes it easy to say whatever you want without having to take an action.

I am with ABR about you....noob action, but I dont know if you are noobscum or noobtown.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[Toogeloo]

I've already touched on why DSK killing today is a bad idea.

So, it's lynching time.

I always was under the impression a SK has to kill.

[Toogeloo]

Can't.

Would love to.

But can't.

[Toogeloo]

Persuasion is simple.

You've been struck so much that risking changing directions at this point could potentially end in a No Death end of day.

[Toogeloo]

If you get less than 60%, you just get hospitalized, and we go into tomorrow with just night death analysis. At this point, the lynch for today will be near impossible to analyze due to DGB self-striking and opening the door for anyone to strike without recourse.

[Toogeloo]

The problem with this strike system is it too easy to snowball. One person gets a couple strikes, and everyone will start getting that mentality that SOMEONE has to die at the end of the day and follow suit in fear that they will lose any death at all.

We will definitely want to consider hospitalization at some point in the game.

[Toogeloo]

By the way, hospitalization could be highly encouraged since we can Hospitalize two players.

All scum members have actions... except the possible Inner Circle Townie. Hospitalizing someone and not getting the total number of kills we should be getting at night would raise a flag that we beat down a SK or Gang Leader. Hospitalizing a Roleblocker keeps actions open. Etc.. etc... etc...

[Toogeloo]

If you feel there has been a mistake in striking, and she is town, send her to the hospital... strike another player instead, send them to the hospital too.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, Exe is most definitely scum.

[Toogeloo]

I kind of find those back to back posts funny considering I killed Magna on Night 0 and saved DGB to end game for mislynch in Hypnotists.


I don't believe it's too late to hospitalize two players btw, but it will require everyone else in the game to strike the same person that isn't DGB, but considering DGB wants to be killed at this point, it's probably not even worth it.

[Toogeloo]

Exe was scummy as hell at the end of the day yesterday. That is where I would want to strike.

[Toogeloo]

Well Toogeloo, what do you think about ThAdmiral?

The only real thing that struck out to me about ThAdmiral yesterday was that he agreed that Hrezs looked scummy in comments early in, but then later declined any interest in actually wanting to strike him.

It's noteworthy, but I feel that Exe displayed worse traits overall.

[Toogeloo]

ThAdmiral also did try to help push for a double block but then came in with what he thought was the hammer on DGB... I could see a case for his lynch, but I gotta take my blinders on Exe off first.

[Toogeloo]

Look at his avatar... it's screaming, "I am the boss, don't fuck with me."

[Toogeloo]

Have been pre-prodded O.o, will post soon.

Why would you have been prodded less than a day into Day 2?

[Toogeloo]

I saw Kise browsing the forum earlier, so I am a little disappointed he hasn't popped in to say hello.


Exe seems to be flailing a bit, too worried about his own appearance. He tries to debunk me even though I more or less simulposted with DGB that his post against her screamed scum.

KageLord also does look a bit bad with the Night Action speculation, but I will be honest and I thought the same thing as well, he just opened his mouth and said it. I think it's more likely Kage looked dumb, and some people may be trying to take advantage of it. I don't see the scum motivation behind it in a multi-scum team game when you have low numbers to begin with. He's today's Hrezs in my opinion. I think that the people who pushed for Hrezs yesterday and are pushing on Kage today might be worth comparing to the strikes against DGB yesterday. The most opportunistic for all 3 is more than likely scum.

[Toogeloo]

I've already explained my reasoning for my first post strike on Day 1. Those with reading impairments should just iso me to find it again.


You are concerned with your appearance because you are in full defense mode. You are trying to parry the attacks coming at you without actually scum hunting anyone else. You are trying to say your wagon looks bad, which is just a terrible defense overall. DGB summed up a pretty good case against you before her demise which I support, she saw the same things I did in your opportunistic post, and your defense against it was something along the lines of "lolmisreadingme."

[Toogeloo]

I've already explained my reasoning for my first post strike on Day 1.

And now it's Day 2, and your Day 2 actions have CHANGED. I asked WHY. Don't dodge the question.

Because it is now day 2...?

You are trying to parry the attacks coming at you without actually scum hunting anyone else.

Bullshit.

In other news, would've slapped a vote on Hresz, but I'd say let the claimed power role live in the off chance he's actually telling the truth.
CKD continues to half-ass his way through the game. Active lurking like a pro there.
Friend has been getting scummier and scummier. His vote on DGB was extremely weak, as I've said before, and I get an attitude of losing interest in scumhunting from him. Probscum.

Kagelord's night action speculation is hella-bad. There's so many reasons why we might not have a night kill, and trying to guess is just making noise. Big FoS on that one.

Also, why has Kise still not posted content? He had the entire night phase to catch up.

Anyways, top scum-reads are: Kage, Toog, CKD, Friend, in no particular order because with the number of scum I'm pretty confident all 4 of them are scum.
And I'd say Vote: Kagelord

Where the fuck is that "full defense" mode?
You're seriously making shit up.

So you are attacking Lurkers and popular wagons? Good scum hunting mate.

You are trying to say your wagon looks bad, which is just a terrible defense overall

It's NOT a defense. Don't try to manipulate my words. It's SCUMHUNTING. This is a multi-scum game, I am not in the least suggesting that a bad wagon means I must be town. In other words, I am not "defending" myself, I am attacking you.

DGB summed up a pretty good case against you before her demise which I support, she saw the same things I did in your opportunistic post, and your defense against it was something along the lines of "lolmisreadingme."

So you admit to sheeping. Got it.

This is just more of your deflection. You attempted to dismiss your wagon by stating anyone on it was scummy. That's not an offense you should be angling, as everyone who suspects you does so for good reason... You may as well have come out and said, "Anyone who wants me lynched is scum." Bravo.


And I am not sheeping DGB in the least. She and I noticed your comments at the same time, we both came to the same conclusion. She built the case, I support it. Besides, it's kind of hard to sheep a dead person. I am carrying on her legacy.

[Toogeloo]

Semantics is what people argue when they have no other counter-point.

Sounds about right for your whole rebuttal.

[Toogeloo]

@Kast:
Ever say something stupid as town? Happened to me...

Hell... it happens to everyone at some point.



There is a fine line between stating the obvious, and stating something in a way that makes you look terrible. Take Kage, for example...

[Toogeloo]

Inner Circle SC.... Inner Circle... You know, the team that has a member in each faction. They get a Bulletproof Vest to pass around to stop from being shot.


Speaking of Inner Circle, I wonder if the entire team is eliminated if even one member dies since they can't win if even one player dies.

[Toogeloo]

What would be the incentive to play at that point if they stay in the game after losing though? Hell, they could quite literally give the town a win if they wanted to once a member of theirs died if they stayed in the game by ratting out all members of both scum teams, unless there is some incentive for them to not do so.

[Toogeloo]

As far as the DSK goes, yesterday the shot happened after the wagon on DGB was irreversible, I would assume the same will happen today. DSK needs to be last man standing, so he's likely waiting for a wagon to be settled on before taking his shot.

[Toogeloo]

I think that the people who pushed for Hrezs yesterday and are pushing on Kage today might be worth comparing to the strikes against DGB yesterday. The most opportunistic for all 3 is more than likely scum.

Toog is scum? Absolutely. Why you ask? This post clearly shows why. He’s presented what he feels is a logical way to hunt for scum in this environment. The formula?

1. Look at those who pushed Hrezs.
2. Cross-reference to those pushing Kagelord today.
3. Re-cross-reference with those that struck DGB.
4. Hang resulting found scum.

But does he do this? Nope.

He’s more interested in looking town than actually hunting said scum down. Oh wait, wasn’t that the increadibly scummy thing he was just accusing someone else of doing?

Kill it with Fire!

I meant to get around to this... I just got sidetracked. Now I've kind of lost motivation to do it. Maybe later.

[Toogeloo]

While true camn, if one member of the Inner Circle starts to appear too sharp in scum hunting, he's likely going to start drawing the ire of night shots, which hurts their wincon. If that player isn't wearing the vest, the entire team could lose. If he is wearing the vest, then all he is doing is absorbing someone else's potential death that could have gotten them closer to endgame. Lack of kills will start to make scum wonder if the player is Inner Circle with a Vest, and may try to build a case on them to lynch them instead (multiscum teams have to scum hunt as well). I would wonder if any member of IC wants that kind of attention.


Just to roleplay an example for you. Say StrangerCoug single-handedly leads a lynch against ABR, and he flips Gang Leader of the Night Riders. This should not absolve StrangerCoug of any suspicion on her person that she may be DSK, member of the Skull-Crushers, or the Town Inner Circle member.*

*(Scenario entirely made up in my mind, do not read into it too deeply).


So having an IC member be a superior scum hunter is not going to grant any real advantage in my opinion.

[Toogeloo]

A) Open blocking lets us know who is NOT the leaders of each scumteam.. that is, if 2 kills go though, we missed twice.
ONly 2 players can nightkill right now, right? So if we start to build a database of who those players ARE NOT, then that=win.
Of course, there are many reasons a kill could miss, so thats why we need point b.

Easily manipulable by a scum team if they want to get a mislynch against town (assuming we roleblock two town). Just don't send a kill in, and next thing you know we are mislynching town twice as we guess which of the two players we blocked were scum.

[Toogeloo]

So you want to spend the days only looking for the Gang Leaders of Metropolis? I mean, we could Hospitalize all the other Mafia and not know it with your plan.

[Toogeloo]

Strike: TheAdmiral

Proving it's not too late to turn something shit into something better.


What's with voting if this is how the days are gonna go anyways?

[Toogeloo]

IF ABR is actually Gang Leader of the Night Riders, I will be V/LA in Vegas for the next week.

[Toogeloo]

Well now that the kill + block plan is officially screwed...

Kill + Block was never viable.

[Toogeloo]

When I said the that Kill + Block wasn't viable, I meant in the sense that getting everyone to play nice and agree on 2 strikes for the even dispersal was asking a bit much. This is mafia, not a tea party. What people are asking is to orchestrate 21 people in unison, including the people put out by it.

[Toogeloo]

Has it even been addressed yet what happens if the DSK kills a target with Strikes?

To do a Lynch and Block day today, my thought is that DSK would have to kill me for it to work.

[Toogeloo]

Any possible attempt at a Lynch and Block today means I must be shot by the DSK and the remaining players spread their assault onto KK and KL.

[Toogeloo]

He's also starting to develop the same problem as Friend if not a worse one with the lack of real scumhunting.

I blame the game. After striking, most of the motivation to hunt is lost as you wait to see how the remaining players pan out their strikes. As Kast put it, a player who strikes is largely ineffective the rest of the day.

[Toogeloo]

I struck you ThAd for the paranoia of the competing wagon. Strikes against two different players very quickly escalates into This Player v. That Player in terms of who to kill at the end of the day. I saw the counter wagon strike as a way to possibly force the day between Kage and Kublai. Since we can't unstrike, if people felt there were only two wagons to choose from, they may be more inclined to follow those wagons.

I don't get scum vibes from Kage, I am null on Kublai. Your counter wagon sent up flags and I know that there were people who see you just as scummy, so I went for it.

[Toogeloo]

Delicious irony of the current strike votals is that each of Magna, SC, and Nacho have expressed distaste in me...

[Toogeloo]

Well, we did try to hash out scumminess of other players, but once the KK and Kage counter-wagons started, jumping the rails to someone not related to these two (or ThAd for his involvement in the two wagons and previous actions based on the reactions of others), we have little choice but to forget about others we want lynched.

[Toogeloo]

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

Yes... the people who have wanted me dead since Day 1 are on my scum team. /rolleyes.

StrangerCoug has made it his personal mission to try and either have me beaten to death or shot every day.


I would like to see this empirical evidence to support the notion though.

[Toogeloo]

StrangerCoug has made it his personal mission to try and either have me beaten to death or shot every day.


I would like to see this empirical evidence to support the notion though.

What empirical evidence? If you mean a case, I still think that you blowing your Day 1 strike like you did is scummy, and I think Albert B. Rampage connected himself to you by telling people to ignore you for that. Hence the "quelching discussion" attack on him. If Albert B. Rampage flips town, then depending on your actions I may allow some slack, but if he flips scum and the possibility exists that he has a living partner, you're dead meat at this point. It takes more than that to throw me off you.

I was referring to LLD's "EVIDENCE" from here:

And you are keeping this from us because...?

Because I'm trying to write up cases on them?

If you just want names, then I can provide, but I assume you'd want EVIDENCE.

[Toogeloo]

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

Yes... the people who have wanted me dead since Day 1 are on my scum team. /rolleyes.

StrangerCoug has made it his personal mission to try and either have me beaten to death or shot every day.


I would like to see this empirical evidence to support the notion though.

Cause Bussing isn't possible right?

Notice that you've never really been run up or struck.

AGM was tunnelling the fuck out of me.

If you're connecting a scum team with he and I, you're delusional.

lol...

[Toogeloo]

IF ABR is actually Gang Leader of the Night Riders, I will be V/LA in Vegas for the next week.

I forgot to mention... I guess I won't be going to Vegas.

[Toogeloo]

Day Killer is assuredly just making sure that whomever he kills isn't going to be lynched anyways. Counter-productive to kill someone who will die anyways. He could kill before strikes are made, but once strikes start flying he is better off waiting until a death almost assured.

I'm also gonna strike now...

Strike: Prince Albert B. Rampage in a Can

[Toogeloo]

tonight... metaphorically speaking I assume...

[Toogeloo]

Well here's the thing. People connect you and me. They think we are an item.

Main problem is, the only reason they connect us is because of you. It was your dismissal of my play from Day 1 that people think you protected me. It's far more likely that you are scum than I am to be perfectly honest, and at the same time, I am dispelling any beliefs that you and are Inner Circle (there will still be people out there that obstinately believe we are on the same gang team and just bussing each other I bet).

[Toogeloo]

And what was your reason for striking me other than omgus?

[Toogeloo]

Toog your an idiot as eliminating one of ya'll doesn't mean the other is not scum.

I am dispelling any beliefs that you and are Inner Circle (there will still be people out there that obstinately believe we are on the same gang team and just bussing each other I bet).

The main quelch will be the idea that ABR and I are Inner Circle. After the Gang Leaders death's last night, we aren't really smart to bus each other if we are on the same team either, but you guys need to reach that conclusion on your own.


My RVS stage ending Strike on Day 1 is what put me on the map. ABR dislocated any topicality about me on Day 1, which is why people think he is my buddy. ABR impulsively struck on Day 2, his was out of boredom (if you will believe that). This seems like as good a day as any to squash this whole thing.

[Toogeloo]

Oh wow, how fucking stupid are you two?

honestly, what happened to "We need to come to a consensus as town on two targets today"?

First of all... ABR's words, not mine. My rep is for being rebellious.

Secondly, this needs to be nipped in the bud before we get to the point where it could cost us the game.

[Toogeloo]

Shut the fuck up. He's a narcissistic simpleton that thinks that by striking me he will clear himself. But what if the town thinks it was all a massive distancing scheme? The two players who first striked are each other's throat, they will never suspect us to be scum again if we strike each other, and they will probably discount us as fools and decide to lynch somebody else like they did yesterday with ThAdmiral.

No. Toogeloo's innocence must be taken for him to understand his mistake.

Congrats on WIFOMing your own ass into the ground with that post, even if I am struck dead today.

[Toogeloo]

/huggles

...don't take it personally ^_^

[Toogeloo]

MoI, Toog, ABR. Pretty bloody obvious IC bussing going on.

strike Toog

Would rather MoI but will accept Toog.

Except IC loses if even one member dies... try again.

[Toogeloo]

Here is where the "Must Strike" mentality fucks with town.

Who folds and decides to just strike those already struck? Does scum hunting end... etc.. etc... etc....


See, people are afraid that if they try to go any other direction, then no one will get lynched, and yet everyone bitches that (despite only a low number of strikes having been made thus far) one of the people struck must be the lynch for the day.


Personally, I would advocate lynching one of me or ABR (preferring ABR of course), because it's been a lingering cloud over everyone's heads for 3 days now, but no one wants to do anything about it. It's like 2 Millers claiming on Day 1 and no one wants to touch either of them. Before you know it, we are in LyLo, and both are still alive. In this particular situation, ABR leeched himself onto me on Day 1, linking us, which means that so long as both of us are alive, we both hinder the town's reads.

Obviously, striking ABR for me means that I do think he is scummy, but it's double edged. If he flips anything other than Inner Circle Town or DaySK, people will probably think we were bussing each other, or that I was mislynching a townie (depending on whatever he flips). Since we have had the NSK and two scum killed so far, this is the best time for this to happen imo.

[Toogeloo]

Let me pose a few things at you BS.


If I am Inner Circle, what is my motivation for striking ABR today? If ABR is Inner Circle, we lose the game. If he is Scum, wouldn't he have struck me first if he suspected me of being Inner Circle? If he is Town, would I really want that much attention as Inner Circle? I want to know why you think I am Inner Circle so badly, and how you came to that conclusion, and do you think it matches my actions through the game as a whole.

[Toogeloo]

So somehow I have gone from being ABRs buddy to being MoIs buddy and now BabySpice -or- LLDs buddy. I got a lot of friends in this game.

[Toogeloo]

All in all, I get the feeling both you and ABR have hidden reasons to be this confident. If anyone, and IF one of you two happens to be IC, I'm thinking it's you, Toog. With the BPV in hand, I could see you cockily dealing strikes as you have been. The other IC members could easily feed you the names of scum members for you to go after. If you're not the Citizen IC, then whoever that may be is perhaps suited with the BPV and is also in a good position to help bus non-IC members of both gangs. I don't know why I didn't look for signs of this when the game started, but it would definitely be a plan running through my mind if I was IC.

Problem with this is either A) BPV doesn't protect against strikes, so I could just as likely die anyways, or B) If I don't get struck to death because of BPV, I have given away the fact that I had a mechanic that prevented me from getting struck to death, and practically confirmed myself as being scum since town doesn't have a "struck to death prevention mechanism."

[Toogeloo]

You know what... fuck this. I am the nucleus of everybody's scum charts.


I am IC with MoI.
I am LLD's or Baby Spice's scum partner.
I am partners with ABR.


Everyone needs to strike me right the fuck now and wake up.

[Toogeloo]

There are 4 members on each team. Right now there are 3 members left on each team, 1 of each being a IC.

[Toogeloo]

From the Wiki

Skull-Crushers (4* players)
Night Riders (4* players)

Gang Leader (1 per): Controls the Nightkill ability. If blocked, his faction loses their ability to kill that night. When investigated, a Gang Leader will appear innocent.
Streetwalker (1 per): Controls the Roleblock ability. If blocked, her faction loses their ability to block that night. If killed, her faction loses that ability indefinitely.
Implicator (1 per): Controls the Framing ability. If blocked, his faction loses their ability to frame that night. If killed, his faction loses that ability indefinitely.

From the Randomizer:

http://www.spark-realm.net/forums/metro ... isited.php

Notice the 4th member on each team... signifies Goon.

[Toogeloo]

@Toogeloo - Did you have any reason to strike Albert B. Rampage beyond "let's end the WIFOM"?

A little was his hypocrisy strike of Day 2 after chastisement of Striking early on Days 1 and 3, a little was the WIFOM connection made by everyone. I think his activity has been inconsistent as well, leading town at some turns, passively lying in wait on others. Just a very bad feeling in general from him, and I really hate being called scum because I am being connected to someone else, and even worse any WIFOM of connections being ignored until it gets to a point where it could cost town the game.

[Toogeloo]

Since when is a VEST Baseball Bat Proof?

RC, let me test this theory. You wear a kevlar vest, and I'll hit you across the face with a Louisville slugger. Repeatedly. You tell me how that vest holds up, kay? <3

How about you put on a vest and I shoot you in the face...

[Toogeloo]

Man, I should probably read the rest of the posts before replying...

[Toogeloo]

yay yay, go lynch me for being anti-town but not scummy ^_^.


There is a pretty decent possibility that Kast is scum trying to defend the idea that if/when I flip town, he can write if off as "at least the bad town is dead."

[Toogeloo]

I thought my Day 2 Strike was actually well thought out... it was Mr. Pot that struck without the consensus yesterday.

[Toogeloo]

Day 1 was random, as I have said countless times.

Day 3 was thought out in the sense that I needed to make today about you and me, which has somewhat worked.

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

Whatever, you're blacklisted from all my games for trolling.

stupid me hotlinking lol...

[Toogeloo]

Bunnylover, I can't really say, Toog I have town read on for now.

Magua and Toogeloo are the only town in my eyes

What Toog said.

Likes me all of before Day 3.

Essentially, I'm fine with the town striking ThAd.

Likes the Strike train that I started.


I would like to point out that ABR did indeed OMGUS me when I struck him. I am not phased by him calling me a troll. I don't troll. I am motivated by my own plan of attack.

[Toogeloo]

No ABR, it's definately, 100% MoI, almost certainly Toog, and then most likely yourself for the IC's

Is your connection to us being ICs simply because we have all been at each other's throats off and on through out the game, and yet we are all still alive? Because I fail to see how A+B=C here.

[Toogeloo]

@Toog-
You're doing the lying thing again. Quit it.

The main counterpoint is that I wouldn't say he's really done anything extremely scummy so much as done lots of extremely anti-town things.

Just interpreted it as I saw it.

[Toogeloo]

It looks like most of the people who have not yet struck are either scum waiting for permission to pile on a wagon, or town in the same boat.

What is this?

"Anyone who hasn't struck is either scum or town."

uh... duh?

[Toogeloo]

I have a comment to make that won't sound butthurt.

If you think about it, the IC is basically a mafia team within each mafia. Or rather, each mafia team is essentially a 3 - 1 mafia game inside this game. AND since the mafia teams don't know eachother, that means that it's kinda like a 3-1 mafia game with no lynches but while still giving the 1 man mafia a chance to kill the relative "townies."

In other words, scum have absolutely no way to get rid of their own IC member, while still being in a type of "MyLo."

Ergo, the setup is really tough for scum UNLESS the IC dies at the beginning of the game, accidentally.

You treat it like a mini mafia game in your QT. If you scum teams weren't paranoid of your infiltrator, you suffer the consequences. Use the Day Phase to "bus" your suspicion and get your infiltrator lynched. And guess what... you also look better for killing scum >_>.

Honestly, I think the Skulls and Riders got played and let themselves get played. Now ICs and Mafia are getting pissed all around. You guys knew the set up, tough luck really.


Honestly, RC has already commented to the likes that we won't know if ICs flip or not, which leads me to believe the ICs have probably already lost the game (75% of the Riders are dead... there's a good chance IC was one of them) and the Scum are cannibalizing each other out of suspicion.


IC can't win the game since town won't lose enough members before Exe and LLD are killed. If the last Rider is non IC, then he still is a potential threat, as is the DSK.


DSK will almost assuredly start capping town. He is going to be desparate to get town numbers down before all the mafia are culled out. Don't expect any favors from the DSK in my opinion. He's gonna start capping near confirmed town I believe.


LLD's strike against SC makes it impossible to block and kill both LLD and Exe I think (Kast probably knows best, since apparently I haven't gotten the numbers right all game).




Despite whatever troll you think I am ABR, I have been pretty spot on with my reads early in. I gut read MoI as scum and I had a case (with DGB) against Exe. You guys just never liked me lol.

[Toogeloo]

I'm gonna laugh if the ICs were the Gang Leaders that shot each other on Night 2 and the mafia teams have torn themselves apart trying to find the ICs. Probably very unlikely, but would be funny all the same.

[Toogeloo]

Albert B. Rampage is looking less and less scummy. In the likely event I must give up the Toogeloo-Albert B. Rampage pairing, he's the one I'd rather let off the hook.

ABR and I are not connected in any way at this point and it should be obvious.


We are not IC together because Baby said we were different faction ICs, gambiting his entire team's game on MoI (his faction buddy), Me, and ABR being the ICs. This means neither of us is Riders.

LLD and Exe are the last of the Skulls, so neither of us are skulls.

Since neither of us is Skull or Rider, we cant BOTH be IC...


So therefore, ABR and I are not connected in any way.

[Toogeloo]

Knifing the Panda also made me a sad Day SK. =/

Fix'd that for you.