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[GreyICE]

Yeah, no kidding.

I've played with him in Walking dead. He was having fun, awful, anti-town, and nearly killed us all.

Here he's not having fun, forcing fake suspicion, and complete scum.

What's this C-Worl wagon?

Vote: Raivann

[GreyICE]

Oh. Total and complete bullshit.

Everyone on the C-Worl wagon is dumb, scum, or both.

[GreyICE]

Goddamn it, Charlie is some sort of Jester/role that wants to be lynched.

[GreyICE]

Awww, LLD is scum

[GreyICE]

VEZOK CLAIM IMMEDIATELY

[GreyICE]

RULE #1 VEZOK CLAIMS DAY 1

[GreyICE]

He's also town

[GreyICE]

Oh man, he claimed inventor? Definitely town.

Votes for Vezok are votes for me laughing at you

[GreyICE]

20a.

Although this is a bastard game, we promise three things. First, the mod is not a player. Second, there are no mechanics that involve changing win conditions. If you start as town, you'll win with town, and vice versa. Third, there are no jesters.

I choose to believe he's just bad scum.

As for the wagon on C-Worl, odds are that there's scum on there, but I think Ladyλδ is just misguided.

@Ladyλδ: ^ Grey has C-Worl experience too. Trust us here.

No, she's scum

It's sad because it's fun when she's town, but she's definitely scum this time around. Time for me to go build a case I suppose.

[GreyICE]

Nobody special is posting, so he's obvtown.

[GreyICE]

Walking Dead never happened. Admit it, you have no desire to remember that game of not-mafia that did not occur and was definitely not won by a serial killer who did not exist.

No matter how b-mod this game is, it's not that.

[GreyICE]

I'm the mad seal clubber or something.From Kingdom of Loathing.

I like to break seals. LOL. I reread the PM. I thought I like to punch seals as in animal seals not those things you put on letter. LOL.

Every night I break one of my seals. I have 4 or 5 of them.
After I break them I don't care about them anymore and give them to someone I want to.
I am treasure hunter inventor or something.

He's town guys. Obvious.

[GreyICE]

I see a little silhouetto of a man
Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do the fandango?
Thunderbolts and lightning - very very frightening me
Galileo, galileo
Galileo, galileo
Galileo figaro - magnifico

Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

[GreyICE]

Jesus Christ, GI is scum.

He's never this fucking loose. Ever. If he votes you, he has a case prepared and ready.

Don't it feels right like this
All the pieces fall to his wish
“Suck up for that quick reward, boy
Suck up for that quick reward,” they say

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train coming your way
It's coming your way
It's coming your wayaaay oh yeah!
Here it comes

Confirm Vote

[GreyICE]

I was actually feeling doubtful of LLD myself, but it's mostly gut and that one point of hypocrisy that sticks iin my craw, where she calls someone scum for calling every post in an ISO scummy and then proceeds to do the same thing herself but cvall it town.

So, hardly a case, as such.

Hey, Grey, it's like a mini Walking Dead reunion in here.

All we need is someone to get modkilled for c/p their role pm and someone to play against wincon and it will be complete.

Goons or whatever you are this game, got any godfathers you want to happen?

Walking Dead happened, Grey. It happened.

*shakes head*

Walking what now?
It's sad that when Jack shot you on day 2, I thought it would be the worst, stupidest thing that happened all game. Town shooting obvtown in the face.
By the end of the game, it didn't even rank in the top 5.

[GreyICE]

Like top 5:
1) Ender
2) Starbuck
3) Jack
4) InternetStranger's LyLo vote
5) Combined award to everyone for everything

[GreyICE]

Grey, this game is driving me insane.

And then you come in, and I saw you posting and I was all like "YES! GI IS GONNA SMACK SOME SENSE INTO PEOPLE".

And what do I see? I get you posting song lyrics and baselessly calling me scum.

I'm so ready to just blow up on you, good god. Start posting actual fucking content. You aren't a VI. You aren't Fate. Stop acting like you are either of those, and play the FUCKING GAME.

You are very good at buddying me.
It tugs the heartstrings.
I have no heart.

[GreyICE]

@LLD: GI isn't scum, your painful flailing is only going to hurt yourself...

@GI: LLD might well be scum(her defense is painful, and the setup speculation hits me as a little off in retrospect), she's still not today's lynch with Raivann about...

Mmm, no. If you cut the head off, the body will flop around for a bit, but it's dead.

I like to start at the top. Raivann is a job for the vigs.

[GreyICE]

Ah!

And there we go.

Confirmation goes a long way towards causing contentment.

[GreyICE]

my votes on GI. all im doing is questioning you about your opinion, an opinion which noone else in this game seems to share.

Me, Pine, C-Worl scumteam?

[GreyICE]

I'm not sure what case Grey might have but it's fun to see him get LLD so worked up over it.

Just die already.

GI, are you gonna start playing the game? You're not helping the situation any.

I was once like you are now, and I know that it's not easy,
To be calm when you've found something going on.
But take your time, think a lot,
Why, think of everything you've got.
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not.

[GreyICE]

LLD, if you see what I see then vote it or be damned.

[GreyICE]

Last two pages, lynch list.

Pooch=screwed

[GreyICE]

lynches i'm ok with:
amrun
charlie
pine
GI

people i'm watching:
umbrage
c-worl
vez

LLD

MoI
raivann
nobody special
basically everyone else

So Achronach comes in here. And starts chainsawing me. For someone he's watching as possible scum.

Unvote

Vote Achronach

There's new and there's new, but then there's this. He needs some serious, serious rope. His entire ISO is finding reasons to find people scummy, asking theory questions, and generally lurking.

Umbrage is still a complete idiot I see. Vezok is not a vig target, Raivann is.

[GreyICE]

LLD, on the other hand, is a tricky one. She's as good at faking emotion as I am, and in a game like this, you don't even have to necessarily fake scumhunting (if we're assuming multiple teams).

What she's bad at faking are logical interactions.

In general you can break her interactions with others in this thread into two categories. Buddying, and pushing suspicion.

Buddying

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2952479

(Umbrage is super townie BTW, so it's him trying to gain town cred too).

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2957701

Pushing Suspicion

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2952758
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6&start=25
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2955112
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2955280

Scum mentioned: Pine, Occult, C-Worl, Raivann, GreyICE, and possibly shaved beaver.


What she is not doing: logically reasoning with others in the thread, working things through, or showing serious evolution of her views.

Pine went from town to scum in a finger snap. Now she's more or less customizing the posts so that I like them.

It's a very, very good job. But she's some flavor of anti-town. Too many contradictions, too much nonsense:

In order:

1) Don't speculate about the setup. That kind of information only helps scum. If you have ideas like that, keep them to yourself.
2) I'm glad to hear the bolded. If you are willing to work at it, I'm always willing to give you another chance.
3) Well, one major rule is not to speculate about things like Flavor or Setup. Don't try to out guess the mod.

1) This is a 24 player game. There are going to be multiple scum teams. As many as 3, plus third parties.
Of the 3 mafia on that wagon, not many of them will be the same scum team.
That's why I'm allowing for 3.

It seems to be allowing to randomly label people scum with no shown connections.

Now the 180 with the sheep.

Sorry, LLD, I like you too, but I do really think you're anti-town.

That being said, Acronach was horrible, and must die for that list.

Why I don't care if Raivann is town, a short informational history:

4:2 MyLo and we spent a better part of a week with two wagons at 3:3. One was on town, one was on obvscum. Guess who the townie helping the scumteam out was?

Oh and just Walking Dead in general.

Just shoot him.

[GreyICE]

But that brings me to pine he jumps on the big wagons except one cworls. He was a major supporter of the raivann lynch. Pushed a policy lynched hard. His done everything in his power to shut down people posts on cworl. I think the raivann lynch was just a ruse to get people of cworls case.

I have

not

jumped on big wagons, that is a

lie

. I have helped to

start

and

propagate

the two big wagons I've been a part of, and that is vastly different than the opportunism you're trying to implicate me of. I have defended C-Worl at first because I thought the case against him was overstated and weak, and more recently because I very strongly believe in his Town claim. Finally, only one or two people have expressed any faith in Raivann as Town, and nearly everyone that has commented believes Raivann to be scum. With a fractured vote, Raivann still seems to be the best compromise, one almost everyone can agree upon.

And that's why he's perfect for a vig.

Scum will bus, town will vote him, no one wants him alive, vig him.

Lets have some wagons that need some WORK

[GreyICE]

Grey, you must have missed the memo.

Jin softclaimed PGO.

I meant Raivann.

Jindori hasn't proven to actually work against the town's odds of winning the game as town, therefore he doesn't deserve to die.

I can document the many magnificent ways that Raivann tried to get us all killed as VT in walking dead (including not compromising on a deadline lynch that helped lead to no lynch, and voting with the ENTIRE SCUM TEAM in MyLo). And I feel pretty good about him flipping scum. And no scumteam in their right mind will shoot them. I'm just going to use him as a vig detector.

[GreyICE]

Wallbanger, anyone whose played in a game with Raivann before begins to morph into a Raivann lyncher. It's just this kinda thing, y'know? I'm calling him the local vig detector for a reason

Regardless, Zyrconium is town.

Pine's just more or less claiming to be Fonzi. Definite null.

And now that you mention it, so down with EmpKing turning into dust today. This ain't giving me warm fuzzy EmpKing town cuddles.

Acro isn't town. Raivann isn't town.

Need to figure out with you. Just kinda hate reading you.

P.S. Amrun - this is not town EmpKing.

[GreyICE]

Have I ever mentioned how good you are LLD?

I know you're scum. I can smell it. And I don't want to vote for you and feel bad about it.

And I don't have a heart. At all.

Pedit: My lord, Jindori just made a really good point.

[GreyICE]

Lol, in joke. Fonz likes to play posting cop and go find people he doesn't like posting or are lurking, and lynch em.

[GreyICE]

"My lord, Jindori"

...i'll be watching Jin...

From the dead thread?

[GreyICE]

Raivann = job for vigs.

Don't question it, let them do their thing.

[GreyICE]

Uggghhhh

You're not seriously town again

[GreyICE]

Okay
Raivann is town
Pine is mod-confirmed town, Raivann couldn't vote for a scumbag to save his life.

[GreyICE]

Okay
Raivann is town
Pine is mod-confirmed town, Raivann couldn't vote for a scumbag to save his life.

Explain. Especially Pine.

Okay.

Raivann random vote hops like mad
Raivann has never spontaniously voted for scum. Like ever. In a million years.

[GreyICE]

Can I also have some links to support this meta read of Raivann? Thanks.

This game seems to be the one GI is using the most for the Raivann meta. I'm about 1/3 of the way through it. There's some merit to what GI's saying, based on that game.

It's not so much a mafia game as a humor column, but yeah.

The Day 2 derp no lynch and dubs day 3 modkills were hax. Day 4 was its own treat though.

[GreyICE]

CONFIRM VOTE X 10000000000

[GreyICE]

So um

My vote

Yeah, pretty cool, hun?

[GreyICE]

Dude you're like one of the easier mislynches I've ever seen.

You breakdown and scream at the town.

[GreyICE]

Acronach (5) - Amrun, Empking, GreyICE, Ladyλδ, Raivann

Acronach is pure VI. He may be scum but the speed with which this wagon popped out of nowhere on him means I expect at least one opportunistic scum in that list. Empking is the obv choice but there may be others. I’ll have to mull on what I think about Grey and LLD both landing there after pages of accusations of the other.

With a hard 6 day deadline, no way this is a 1 lynch/1 kill setup. MULTIPLE TEAMS HO.

I'm not considering a scum suspect voting for a scum suspect an alignment tell. I said it in a different game - the best defense the werewolves have is "look at the mafia being idiots over there!" Earns townie points, gets lynches off of them, all good.

I love how you assume I haven’t played with Raivann. He’s listed as a VI for a reason … he’s certainly not playing to his scum meta which I saw up close and personal in Clash of Kings.

I expect tons of carnage overnight given this is a Bastard Mod game. I don’t see going after VIs unless we have no other lynches possible.

Are you going back to telling me things I already know?

I'm going after a scummy idiot, wallbanger. He's got lots and lots of people he wants to lynch. TONS! Until it's suggested that we lynch him.

Then he's like "HAI GUYZ, NO LYNCH." It's definitely DUMB. But it's not

DUMB TOWN.

You aren’t getting LLD lynched today Grey. It’s just not something you can accomplish. Besides … if she isn’t Town it will likely become clear after a Night or so if she’s still alive. Hell, likely even if she is scum she will not live long

You'll notice my vote isn't on her. But she's not flipping town, and IT SHOULD BE TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT FOR THE ENDGAME.

[GreyICE]

Pine really isn't mod-confirmed town, GI's logic there assumes Raivann is 100% accurate scum hunter(inverted in results, but still 100% accurate), also assumes Raivann is town, but that's really a different issue. To put it a different way GI, why haven't you asked Raivann his list of town reads so you can lynch them?

Because he'll just troll me with something.

Lemme put it this way - if Raivann just did a townhop to a scumbag, it'll be the first time I think I've ever seen it.

[GreyICE]

Were the consequences spelled out exactly? I mean are we talking:

1) Become hated townie (L-2)
2) Lose vote permanently
3) Gain post restriction
4) Instant death

Like what level of 'unwise?'

[GreyICE]

Yes, the Mafia is clearly the dreaded "no lynch"

[GreyICE]

Guys, this is a bastard game. It's probably real.

Anyway, I propose that we force Pine to hammer Charlie. Kill two birds with one stone.

So pine potentially dies and Charlie dies over obvscum Achronach?

Yeah, no. Shut up.

[GreyICE]

Guys, this is a bastard game. It's probably real.

Anyway, I propose that we force Pine to hammer Charlie. Kill two birds with one stone.

So pine potentially dies and Charlie dies over obvscum Achronach?

Yeah, no. Shut up.

You think

you

can tell

me

to shut up?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

LOLNO.avi

Acronach is town, sorry. The fact that some scum 'forced' Pine to vote him is good enough proof for me that the wagon is bad news.

But then, you probably still think Pine is town. Poor little VI...

And we have the buddy folks.

Nice WIFOM use of the power Probably the only way you could have derailed the Archonach wagon. Suggesting a no lynch after PAGES of suggesting lynch candidates simply because suspicion moved to him?

Only 'mysterious power usage' could derail that wagon.

So yeah, laugh it up Umbrage, he dies. You'll get shot someday or lynched.

[GreyICE]

Because this actually happened, and now the scumteam is rallying.

I mean Anchronach+TERRIBLE DTMMASTER + Umbrage + ? scumteam = FAIL AND ALL DEAD BY DAY 2

LLD's will eat em in any case. Bussing is like a grand ZERO for them.

[GreyICE]

Occam's Razor says to me that his own scumteam did it.

1) As a mislynch, he's incredibly scummy. Seriously, link me to any posts that make you think 'town.'
2) As another scumteam doing it, only if Charlie is scum. But it fails to push the Charlie wagon much.
3) As Pine doing it as scum - why?

[GreyICE]

unvote umbrage
vote c-worl

my lynch list

Charlie, C-worl, Umbrage, jindori

how about a GI lynch? seems like the easiest way to solve the dispute between pind and LLD

unvote
vote greyice

still haven't heard anything that closely resembles an explaination in his spamming, so there's another reason to lynch him

this is like pre WW1. all we're doing is taking sides and gearing up for a giant ragefest. it's me, LLD and Tcl vs. GI, Pine, and Zyrc, and almost all of us want to lynch raivann, but think about this, if 1 of these sides is maf, and we both support this lynch, than it's either a giant bus, or raivann is town.

Amrun, post a reason as to why you're not lynching raivann please. didn't see much of an explaination from you yet.

This is classic - Raivann is town, but... AMRUN WHY AREN'T YOU LYNCHING RAIVANN?

lynches i'm ok with:
amrun
charlie
pine
GI

people i'm watching:
umbrage
c-worl
vez
LLD
MoI
raivann
nobody special
basically everyone else

OMGUS. not surprising.
also, you'll see i bolded the part in the origional post that proves he's using fail logic.

GI, thank you for finally posting any kind of reasoning.

unvote

and LLD, i already posted my reasons for my opinion, since he was the only other person who was actively posting and didn't want a raivann lynch at the time, i looked for reasons why. when i didn't see them, i asked for them.

Buddy ICE, this wagon is taking off!

for anyone that's wondering, he knows my strategy because he's been reading up on my posts. he's trying to get me mad because he knows that i usually just leave the keyboard, but, in this case, i have to stay to defend myself, so he's basically pushing me to the edge so i say something stupid that he can use as evedence against me. rich, isnt it? Mr. Maf can't think of anything to make me look bad, so he has to create something.

The best defense is an enormous chainsaw!

just thought of something. we could NL. everyone's just saying "let the vigs do their job", and we can't agree on a lynch anyway. If vig picks the right person, we could be a lot closer to figuring this out. just an option. how do you guys like it?

NO WAY SHOULD WE LYNCH ME! LETS JUST NO LYNCH!

ROFL On the idea of you being town.

PEdit: Wallbanger is wrong about everything.

[GreyICE]

Bull on your meta tells.

Screaming at all the people who need to be lynched right up until you get a wagon and then, AND ONLY THEN suggesting no lynch is scummy as shit.

At least No Lynch as a serious suggestion I'll buy from PR heavy EM games, but wanting lynch after lynch until YOURS is the one suggested then suggesting we don't lynch? Scum.

[GreyICE]

Raivann is vig food
Pine is town
Charlie is... something

[GreyICE]

Raivann is vig food
Pine is town
Charlie is... something

shortest post i've seen from you in a while. trying to think of a response to umbrage that makes it look like you had a good reason?

My reasons are here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2960145

Your responses are none.

You won't flip town.

[GreyICE]

and i already posted explainations to everything you quoted. if you go back, find the origional posts, and then read on a little, you'll see it. i had god reasons for all that.

No, you had no reasons for most of that, especially the No Lynch bullshit.

If Raivann is so worth killing, why not lynch him? Rather than waste a vig shot? But you think he's town!

Also this Umbrage/Acro alliance is like being attacked by a pair of stuffed animals.

[GreyICE]

Okay, watch this. I've decided to go to Vi's suggestion, because sheeping Vi is the route to victory.

My review:

People I can and will lynch if they get a wagon

SharkFinn

- Two claims, and he's happy with both. God. Also: "Sorry, missed it. I typo'd and meant town -_-." = NICE TYPO

Nobody Special

- loves to lurk and make silly, non-controversial comments when he's scum. Just lynch him if he's lurking, it's the safest.

Acronach

- no, sorry dtm, meta or no meta, death is death.

Charlie

- I swear unto god I think Jester. Too scummy to be scum... not.

Lady

- Is scum, but MoI raises the good point that you won't be lynching that scum today. Speaking of which, he's PROBABLY town.

Cicada

- Is REALLY OBVIOUS scum

Any wagon moves to the fore on those, I'll lynch.

PEdit: I believe he was okay with Raivann getting vigged.

[GreyICE]

It's not ad hominem. Ad hominem is attacking your case by attacking you.

You have no case and are not voting for me.

You're just annoying.

[GreyICE]

Metro replaces Cicada. Thank you and welcome!

Thanks. So unless you guys think I should read 36 pages of text. I'm gonna start formulating my judgements off of what goes on from here on out. okay?

Questions for you:

1) Why was your predecessor obvscum
2) do you think we'll forget if you're obvscum too?
3) We'll give you 2 days of no noose per buddy outed. Deal?

[GreyICE]

No, no, Cicada WAS scum. There isn't many maybes about it. I just need someone to play Q&A with if I am to convince the rest of you.

ISO him. Then disagree.

[GreyICE]

I just have my lynch list. I'll push all of them forward, and whichever is climbing fastest heads to the gallows first.

Vi said apparently someone named SerialClergyman used this approach, and my god does it make large games easier.

[GreyICE]

I'm literally wondering if the scum factions have inside knowledge that there's 3+ scum factions. That speculation has come up WAY too often for a large game when it's clearly stupid, and WAY too many people are acting like scumbags. It's like they're more afraid of crosskills than the lynch.

PEDIT: Dear lord, I may be agreeing with Raivann? I feel dirty.

[GreyICE]

Umbrage, was Cicada scum?

[GreyICE]

Cuttlefish has been pretty clear that she'd not going to elaborate on the deadline shenanigans. What it looks like at this point is that night phases last 72 RL hours (confirmed), and will probably count against us at the standard rate. So N1 will last 72 real hours and 3 game-hours. Whether the time scale speeds up (or slows down!) after that is unknown. Personally, I'm inclined to make our decision soon, and bank as much time as possible. We've got several viable lynch candidates. My favorite is Fluffy Muff, followed by Charlie and jindori. Acronach and tclawren have redeemed themselves for now. I don't believe in the C-Worl lynch, but that appears viable too.

You don't appear to have too many strong opinions by the way. Would you characterize yourself as aggressive here?

[GreyICE]

Hmm. I buy it.

Okay people, hard deadlines ahead. We've got a lot of scummy people and not much time. Everyone pick a wagon they like, and push it. If your wagon is dying, push a different one or tell us all why we're stupid and need to move to your wagon.

NAOH.

[GreyICE]

Most of my games have been town wins, outside of newbies (2/2 as town there). I think towns just lose a lot when you're in them.

Anyway, don't have this huge burning desire to lynch Charlie. This post was flat out better than 90% of what our player base has added to the game. That being said, he's really, really irritating and I'll lynch out of the thread if need be.

At least you have your vote down on a useful wagon.

BTW:

People I can and will lynch if they get a wagon
SharkFinn - Two claims, and he's happy with both. God. Also: "Sorry, missed it. I typo'd and meant town -_-." = NICE TYPO
Nobody Special - loves to lurk and make silly, non-controversial comments when he's scum. Just lynch him if he's lurking, it's the safest.
Acronach - no, sorry dtm, meta or no meta, death is death.
Charlie - I swear unto god I think Jester. Too scummy to be scum... not.
Lady - Is scum, but MoI raises the good point that you won't be lynching that scum today. Speaking of which, he's PROBABLY town.
Cicada - Is REALLY OBVIOUS scum

If better than half this list is town, I will be shocked.

Whose your scumpicks on it, Umbrage?

[GreyICE]

Hmm, okay Umbrage, perhaps I will let you call the shots here. This is probably as informative as a lynch on Acronach anyway.

Unvote

Interesting to see which way you call them. You have my list. You're developing bad feelings about a Acronach lynch. I'm developing bad feelings about a charlie lynch. We're not convincing the town to lynch LLD today, and we probably shouldn't.

So:

SharkFinn

- Two claims, and he's happy with both. God. Also: "Sorry, missed it. I typo'd and meant town -_-." = NICE TYPO

Nobody Special

- loves to lurk and make silly, non-controversial comments when he's scum. Just lynch him if he's lurking, it's the safest.

Cicada/Metro

- Is REALLY OBVIOUS scum

(note: Not on same team)

I will not TOUCH C-Worl because of the quality of the C-Worl wagon.

Pine:

better wording on the implied consequences. What level of dire are we talking? On a scale of "must post one picture each post" to "instant death" where are we?
C-Worl (5) - Cojin, jindori, PimHel, Cicada, implosion

Implosion is being lurker (null) to lurker (scum), Cicada is scum, PimHel is the closest thing to solid town on that wagon, Jindori is a jindori, and Cojin probably deserves death eventually for asking a PGO why he claimed or for being lurker scum, take your pick

So, Umbrage. Who do I vote from on my list?

[GreyICE]

I have no idea, Grey. The PM did not elaborate and was quite as cryptic as the theme implies. For all I know, it could just be "Your skin turns blue. Nothing else happens." Or it could be "You and everyone you have voted for explode." Hey, that last one wouldn't suck, and would be worth my death.

Pine:

If this is a scum ability, it's going to be used every single day until the scum using it dies.

Are you willing to test it?

[GreyICE]

@Wallbanger: Actually I was targeting LLD, and he responded by attacking me. That's a chainsaw defense.

BTW, nice to see you borrowed our rhetoric. Come to the dark side, post something in complete paragraphs without quote walls

[GreyICE]

Oh for fucks sake Wallbanger
The entire time I was after LLD he got progressively worse
After that he moved on to attacking anything that moved
Then suggested no lynch

He's a good lynch. Pine is a bad one. Mysterious powers in a b-mod mean very, very little.

[GreyICE]

I'm glad you're literate Umbrage.

That's exactly why I'm voting for him. Vote-hopping.

Umbrage has failed to suggest any viable scum candidates outside of Charlie, and is just sitting there whining. Well, chance to be halfway useful to the town is rejected.

Vote: Arconach

Pedit: And, yep, you're not town at all.

[GreyICE]

Wallbanger, I've provided evidence. That you and Umbrage haven't read it means nothing except that you're you, and Umbrage is Umbrage.

[GreyICE]

lynches i'm ok with:
amrun
charlie
pine
GI

people i'm watching:
umbrage
c-worl
vez

LLD

MoI
raivann
nobody special
basically everyone else

So Achronach comes in here. And starts chainsawing me. For someone he's watching as possible scum.

Unvote

Vote Achronach

There's new and there's new, but then there's this. He needs some serious, serious rope. His entire ISO is finding reasons to find people scummy, asking theory questions, and generally lurking.

It's funny that wallbanger and now Acro have brought up vote hopping after Umbrage did this. I don't expect Umbrage to have read the thread, but Wallbanger usually sucks less than this.

Acro's alignment now becoming VERY interesting to me, as a day 1 lynch on a scumbuddy is DEVASTATING with possibilities of crosskills and general b-modding.

Acro's last defense was basically to grab the first thing anyone said that was favorable about him and throw it at me. Yes, very pro-town.

[GreyICE]

I don't find your explanations sufficient. I find it amusing you call me out for saying that you were vote hopping when Wallbanger and Umbrage did exactly that - despite the fact it's not a facet of my original vote, nor would it be a good reason to lynch someone.

You're flailing for things to grab, and failing pretty spectacularly.

[GreyICE]

You. were. chainsawing. for. LLD.

You have no idea what is going on in this game in the least.

I love how you say you can find something wrong with every post I make and then call me 'stupid.' As for the unvote, I explained it in that post Anyone can check.

Umbrage missed his opportunity. Acro wasn't going to live until endgame in any case, but Umbrage wishes to claim to be a useless SOB today, so that will be that. the 'rage is out of chances for me to actually care about him.

[GreyICE]

Hey look! Wallbanger has busted nothing. As usual:

lynches i'm ok with:
amrun
charlie
pine
GI

people i'm watching:
umbrage
c-worl
vez

LLD

MoI
raivann
nobody special
basically everyone else

So Achronach comes in here. And starts chainsawing me. For someone he's watching as possible scum.

Unvote

Vote Achronach

There's new and there's new, but then there's this. He needs some serious, serious rope. His entire ISO is finding reasons to find people scummy, asking theory questions, and generally lurking.

I really don't get where you get off calling a whole bunch of people "Village idiots."

[GreyICE]

And I say that refusing to commit yourself to any reads before you can tell which way the wind is blowing and defending LLD by attacking me while admitting that you have no idea what anyone's alignment is is scummy.

Mechanics schemanics. Cop guilties and innocents don't even come close to meaning anything in this setup, much less weaker mechanical clears, so don't tell me that you'll only have town and scum lists based on mechanics.

PEdit: So wallbanger refuses to admit that the chainsawing was mentioned in the very first case, and had nothing to do with the post he quoted.

Speaking of chainsaws, wallbanger, he flips scum, I know damn straight whose the buddy.

[GreyICE]

@MoI: Gi is town this game. Stop tunelling him and find scum please.

I've found scum. Please review my first post and adjust your vote to Pine accordingly!

If GI is Town he's playing so poorly I don't even ...

So, MoI, just to completely confirm, Acro is one of your strong townreads?

[GreyICE]

Pro-Tip – Just because your ‘case’ to be terribad and obviously flawed (as demonstrated) doesn’t mean he’s Town. It just means you are playing Pants on Head style.

No go. Don't claim not to be able to read someone. You ain't benmage (thank god) and you don't do this.

Does he read as town or scum?

[GreyICE]

The following players are either lurking or active lurking their ass off.

Scum of some flavor (be it Mafia or 3rd Party) will be found somewhere in this group –

Cojin, Fuzzy, SharkFinn, Nobody Special, RICO ACT, Empking, Occult, implosion, Metro

Shark Finn, Nobody Special, Metro, and possibly EmpKing mostly because I don't have an obvtown read.

FuzzyBeavers is doing the opposite of lurking. RICO ACT should not be lynched because RL happens. Occult obvtown, implosion prob-town. Cojin town-leaning.

Gimme a break.

[GreyICE]

Let me ask you

– what is the scum motivation for Acro to chainsaw defend LLD anyway? LLD isn’t going to get lynch today. Not happening and she doesn’t need uber-VI Acro’s assistance in that matter. Far more likely Acro gets hung than LLD. So you are telling me that IF Acro is scum what you perceive to be a chainsaw isn’t much more likely to be scum buddying a strong player they think is Town to get reactions just like yours and Grey’s ?

So Arco is a complete "Village Idiot" (in your words) who hasn't played enough to know NL is scummy (note: it was never the suggestion, it was ALWAYS when he suggested it) who ALSO knows that LLD can fend off a day 1 lynch without issue and that therefore he shouldn't defend her.

It ever occur to you that the nickname 'Wallbanger' was not

just

for the irritating quote walls?

[GreyICE]

Yeah. Sad to say, Umbrage's normal play is just this bad.

[GreyICE]

Oh, and I'm still waiting for ANYONE to give ONE good reason as to why Acronach is town. Thank you very much.

*shrug*

No idea. Really... none.

[GreyICE]

It's a weird enough claim that it might be true.

But it's a role cop.

I don't know exactly how townie a weird role cop is.

[GreyICE]

Implosion - it's strange enough that it's partially true, at least.

It is, however, a role cop. And I don't like anything how he claimed it anyway. So... yeah.

[GreyICE]

implosion is Town based on his summary.
Amrun mentioned that Raivann's play is the same in Jurrasic Park Mafia. What role was he there? It was SK. Hence, same play here means it is likely that he's SK here too.
Also, my eyes hurt when reading his posts so yeah can't totally say it is based on selfless reasons for the vote as well.

Based on the last VC, I'm the only one on him. This is sad.

@mod: please be to update playerlist? kthx! *Cuddle*

I'm going to vote Acronach based on his fluff wall.

Vot... Hey that would be the hammer. Fullclaim before hammer. Basic rule of playing Mafia.

So when people ask me why I hate meta arguments, this is the reason.

[GreyICE]

No. Impossible Vezok was scum. It's just bmodding us.

I'm going to guess Acronach was from the Win Condition we got revealed when he died.

Oh and test drive.

Vote Zyrconium

Feel free to start chatting with us whenever, Zyrc.

[GreyICE]

@Moderator: Vote count please

Your vote for Zyrconium does not count because he is dead. ~Nik

[GreyICE]

@Moderator: Vote count please

Your vote for Zyrconium does not count because he is dead. ~Nik

No, he's alive and going to be posting through the moderator and making votes mysteriously show up in the totals.

Vote Nikanor

[GreyICE]

Same Win-Con=/= Same Scum team

GI, claim who you targetted last night please? Not your power, just the target. It's important.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

[GreyICE]

I'm assuming from your post that it's Cojin?

[GreyICE]

I'd disagree.

I'd say you targeted whoever Vezok targeted.

Okay, well Cojin was my only possible target, so it was going to be Usoda time if you claimed me on anyone else. Because I didn't have a role until this morning.

[GreyICE]

Okay, this is several layers of cryptic too deep for me.

[GreyICE]

Fuck it then.

My role has the ability to target two people, and swap who they target.

I chose you and Vezok.

So, your power hit who VEZOK targeted.

And VEZOK's power hit who YOU targeted.

Got it?

Oh.

My role is Fated backup. At some point I will gain some ability (it's very clear ). I gained an ability this morning, from Cojin.

So it's most likely you effectively roleblocked Vezok last night.

[GreyICE]

In case you're wondering, I now receive random pieces of information about the setup every night.

[GreyICE]

7. Fated backup = predict who dies and take over their role?

I wish.

No, basically at some point I might receive some powers.

I'm not being vague, that's the role I had when I started this game. The line 'backup' suggested it would be when someone died. Fated suggests it's when certain people died, but I have no idea how specific that was (it could be anything from half the town to one person, from the level of specific information I have).

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote: GreyICE

[GreyICE]

@Mod: Vote count now, again?

[GreyICE]

Vote Count 2.2

GreyICE (1)

- Amrun

That's not me voting for you, Amrun...

[GreyICE]

When did I say it was me voting for you? I voted for you, GreyICE.

But you have said that you targetted Cojin last night and that you just got your role this morning from Cojin. I see a contradiction there and I'm asking you to clear it up.

The vote count said that I was voting for you when I never did.

As for what I said, please read:

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

[GreyICE]

HOLD ON. Grey Ice I counter claim you. I'm also a back up role. And I asked Nikanor about how my back up role works and the resolution of actions show that when I turn into the role, I can't use the ability the same night when I turn into said role.

And I didn't. I have the role this morning.

Jesus christ. What is going on here?

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Okay, my vote went to Amrun, but now works properly. Shark's went nowhere, and he's now not voting.

My head hurts.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, how did you target anyone if you had no role?

Same Win-Con=/= Same Scum team

GI, claim who you targetted last night please? Not your power, just the target. It's important.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Is anyone around here literate?

[GreyICE]

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE

I gained the powers this morning. LIKE I FUCKING SAID

I haven't used them.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?

[GreyICE]

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Either no one or Cojin, depending on how the moderator operates this mechanic.

Magua, you are not normally a fucking moron

Why have you chosen to be today?

Is anyone around here literate?[/quote]

[GreyICE]

Magua, you are not normally a fucking moron

Why have you chosen to be today?

Is anyone around here literate?

If no one understands what you are saying, perhaps the fault does not lie in those listening.

EXCEPT THAT IN THIS CASE IT DOES BECAUSE IT MADE PERFECT SENSE.

YOUR QUESTION MADE SENSE IN OUTER FUCKING SPACE MONKEY LAND

[GreyICE]

Also, we just use Tclaw for the hammer three times in a row, and he leaves. If he doesn't, we lynch him. No lynching claimed third parties today when we have an actual scum wagon.

[GreyICE]

If no one understands what you are saying, perhaps the fault does not lie in those listening.

If two people don't understand perfectly clear english, perhaps they need to fucking take a fucking second and stop and fucking read.

[GreyICE]

To clarify. LLD's action will cause you to act on Cojin. But You chose to use your Back Up role on Cojin or Vezok.

Why do you use the word choice?

I had no abilities except the vague thought that someday I might have some.

More to the point, LLD, why did I need to claim there?

[GreyICE]

I only wanted your target. Not your role.

I thought Vezok may have died and/or killed Cojin due to your target.

@Fluffy Muff: It's whomever he targets. Passive and Active make no difference.

He was obvtown. You said I was town. Why flop us?

[GreyICE]

I only wanted your target. Not your role.

I thought Vezok may have died and/or killed Cojin due to your target.

@Fluffy Muff: It's whomever he targets. Passive and Active make no difference.

He was obvtown. You said I was town. Why flop us?

He was not fucking obv town.

And as witnessed by his flip... I was right.

Uh, no.

Both night kills were not on scum. Some scum role is obscuring the color of flips. Plus, my role is town, I refuse to believe I'm the town backup who inherited the powers of scum. That's insane.

[GreyICE]

You inherited the powers of Vezok?

Hold on, that makes no sense.

You said your new role is to learn shit about the setup.

That's not Vezok's role....

...

...

...

...


I just can't take this anymore.

[GreyICE]

Cojin

-

Jade

[

from MS Paint Adventures

], Cosmically-Gifted Investigator - Strangled night one.

Cojin

-

Jade

[

from MS Paint Adventures

], Cosmically-Gifted Investigator - Strangled night one.

Shrank post stretching. ~Nik

[GreyICE]

Fine. Cojin isn't scum.

Vezok was.

You were defending Vezok so I got confused.

Vezok was not scum in this game. Not now, not ever. Everyone is flipping red, and I will HAPPILY believe that red flips mean nothing until we work out why all names are red over the idea that this was scum-Vezok.

[GreyICE]

And I noted a much odder set of behavior around the Acronach wagon than that silly hammer.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

[GreyICE]

Vezok is nigh-confirmed town from gameplay. He's so easy to catch as scum. Other player is confirmed town.

Scums we've caught so far:
Mafia:
Magna of Illusion
LLD

?
Metro

??
Tclaw
Jindori

[GreyICE]

No one
Wants Charlie alive
That's enough reason for him to be alive.
Look at Magna's posts yesterday. Look at how he fights for Acronach. Look at his second to last post as the wagon becomes inevitable - where he clears LLD from a Acro scumflip.

That's the Mafia. That's what you need to see.

[GreyICE]

Look at Magna's posts yesterday. Look at how he fights for Acronach.

This is where I know you are grasping at straws. You are seriously trying to say I’d defend uberVI Acro if he was my partner. Right.

If we were aligned together I would have bussed him into oblivion the minute I got into the thread. He was an easy lynch regardless of alignment.

Oh wait, that’s exactly what you did isn’t it. Well, except you took a slight detour to possibly distance from LLD. And I know you happily will bus someone you feel is an incompetant partner if you think it earns you cred.

Oh yes.

You would. You'd do it with a chainsaw. You went to the wall to defend him.

TL : DR Summary for the lazy among you ..
I have a large number of players I'm willing to wagon into oblivion. The short list is Empking, Pine, Occult, Beavers. I'm not opposed to lynching from my VI stack but only if that's what it takes to get something done in a timely manner.
I finished my re-read in 2 hours. You get more focused MoI in the morning.

None of these wagons went anywhere. By your own claim, you're fine lynching from the "VI pool."

Or are you?

Oh, and the speed of the Achronach wagon is impressively like what I'd expect of scum, btw...

This is why Zyrco isn’t Town. He suggests that the Acro wagon is scum driven but doesn’t do one bit of suggesting who on the wagon is scum. Attempting to look Pro-Town while not actually doing anything? Check.

@Those knocking Charlie for similar action

– do you think Zyrco is scum also?

but why make up a claim like this when he could of just voted for Acro without breaking character much anyway?

You don’t see the benefit to him being ‘forced’ to vote for Acro after he’s already been called out for his soft support?

You suggest twice the wagon is being driven by scum.

You. were. chainsawing. for. LLD.

ATTENTION EVERYONE – LOOK AT GREYICE SCUM IN ACTION.

LET’S LOOK AT THE WHY –

APPEAL TO REPETITION - HE HOPES THAT REPEATING THIS ENOUGH TIME WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO IGNORE THE FACT IT ISN’T TRUE.

UNWILLING TO ADDRESS HOW HE CLEARLY WAS FABRICATING SAID TELL. WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THE FACT THAT HIS 'DAMNING QUOTE' FROM ACRO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHAINSAWING HIM ABOUT LLD HE BACKTRACKS AND STICKS HIS HEAD IN THE SAND. HE CAN'T REFUTE THE FACT THAT HE CONCOCTED IT.

PURE RHETORIC AS OPPOSED TO FACTS.

In summary,

GREYICE IS SCUM.

Losing Acronach? Acceptable. Losing LLD WITH Acronach? Unacceptable. The two are tied together.

You tried to pull crap and got caught with your scummy little hand in the cookie jar.
I’ll just chuckle as I watch you flail some more Fate-lite-McScummypants.

Acronach wagon not quite going well if you want to cover up your team?

Let me ask you

– what is the scum motivation for Acro to chainsaw defend LLD anyway? LLD isn’t going to get lynch today. Not happening and she doesn’t need uber-VI Acro’s assistance in that matter. Far more likely Acro gets hung than LLD. So you are telling me that IF Acro is scum what you perceive to be a chainsaw isn’t much more likely to be scum buddying a strong player they think is Town to get reactions just like yours and Grey’s ?

Then you suggest that even if he's scum, it's ridiculous for him to act in the manner we were suggesting, because that would be really stupid, and he's a village idiot.

I didn't say that at all. Let's be clear. I DON'T see any possible motivation in his play for chainsawing LLD. Hell, I don't even see chain-sawing period and no-one has been able to point to posts where it is evident.

More likely,

IF

he is scum he's latched onto a strong Town player to suck up / Buddy with. That's pretty consistent with VI behavior IMO.

And here we are. If he's scum, he latched onto a strong town player. Who, y'know, he buddied by never really mentioning much and saying he'd lynch anyone including her, and chainsawing to defend her. Yeah, that's not how you buddy. How you buddy is what Jindori is doing to me and LLD, or LLD does to me


You're right. She's not the lynch. It's funnier to boot her scumteam out of the thread around her before the finishing blow, and frankly Wallbanger, she's more useful for finding the other team than you.

[GreyICE]

Look! It's even in wall format! Now you can read it!

[GreyICE]

Also, MoI, what's your opinion on Umbrage now that Acronach's death revealed a Mafia Win condition.

[GreyICE]

Why Tclaw is a bad wagon

His power is provable in the vote counts. It'll add 1 to the VC of any non-contract, 2 to the VC of any contract, from what I understand of it. Since he's GOING to claim his contracts at the start of every day, and he's GOING to help us scumhunt and otherwise not be a lunk (because scum have no real motive to shoot him twice, whereas we remove lots of WIFOM if we do) he lives. The only scum power that would let him mimic that is some sort of secret doublevoter, and frankly we have better things to do with our time.

Why Charlie is a bad wagon

He's not scum.

I have an actual opinion on Umbrage/Magua, but I'll wait a bit.


PEdit: Emp, agree on Jindori, disagree on Raivann.

[GreyICE]

@Grey

– I’ll put this up front since you have issues with reading comprehension –

Are you claiming that your ‘inhereted’ role from Cojin is a Night ability that gives you random bits about the game set-up? Is it an active or passive ability?

Appears to be passive. I just sit there and get one every night.

Oh yes.

You would. You'd do it with a chainsaw.

Lulz. If you can find me a game where I strongly defend an incompetent scum partner under heavy fire please do so. Otherwise you are just hoping that repeating something that isn’t true works.

Strongly defend? Of course not. Try to derail the lynch onto Pine? Yes. I find it really interesting that just as you and Umbrage are moving to Pine, he gets his vote chained to the Acro wagon.

Which is then used as evidence towards scum driving the wagon and as a reason the wagon shouldn't go to lynch.

I SHOULD suspect Umbrage here. But I get an odd feeling that was your plan, and he was the useful idiot. It's exactly the level of WIFOM you like to play at.

None of these wagons went anywhere. By your own claim, you're fine lynching from the "VI pool."

I voted for Pine, who is obv-scum. And once again I said “I'm not opposed to lynching from my VI stack but only if that's what it takes to get something done in a timely manner.”. So your reading comprehension is still limited.

Could you perhaps explain why? Is he mafia scum who fakeclaimed having a vote chained to a second choice wagon in order to lose every bit of town credit he might get for being on a scum lynch?

You suggest twice the wagon is being driven by scum.

Are you saying that there is 100% chance of ZERO scum on that wagon? Acro was prime bussing material.

I know. I told LLD she should. She played nice

You're right. She's not the lynch. It's funnier to boot her scumteam out of the thread around her before the finishing blow, and frankly Wallbanger, she's more useful for finding the other team than you.

So you are 100% sure she is scum but don’t want to lynch her because ‘it’s funnier to kick out her partners”? Classic scum move right there … let’s look in the archives for Nachomamma8 using this exact same logic -

Actually, it boils down like this: I don't like you. I know you're scum. I like her. I know she's scum.

But I do have to agree that meta arguments are great tools for lynching people?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2883109

Exact argument I use - NS is doing what Albert B. Rampage did in a game to him recently. And he's throwing his partner under the bus here. CJDrum got lynched. Quell surprise, scum was bussing. It was me, bussing NS for a town lynch. And the meta was bullcrap, as always.

Anyone can find a situation that looks similar in another game, Wallbanger. You're 110% scum.

[GreyICE]

HOLY FUCK is Jindori scum btw.

Lynches I'm okay with:
Jindori
MoI

Lynches I could support:
LLD (but she's so much more fun than Wallbanger and da jin)

PEdit: Yes, Jindori - he couldn't club anyone to death. He was an inventor, that means he gave out inventions that did things. So your theory is stupid.

[GreyICE]

no My theroy was you are the strangler LLD used the ablity on you and you were trying to strangle vezok. It is the only reasonable explantation come up with a better one prove me wrong.

1) Why would I kill an inventor very likely to give me inventions?
2) Why would I night kill Vezok Piraka?
3) Why would Vezok claim AND FLIP inventor as a vigilante?

Theory:
Cojin was night killed
Vezok's inventions blew up/did something ridiculous because it's a bmod game (and possibly because he had no target to give them to).

And by the way:

You're scum.

[GreyICE]

Lol you are the obv scum and the sooner the town relies it the better.

1)We didn't know he was an investor.
2)your scum you have to kill someone LLD CHANGED YOUR TARGET.
3)The fact vezok is actually the seal clubber why are you trying to misquote.
4)why do you misquote. Hell your excuses don't correspond with my questions.

Unvote Vote Grey ice.

I have to have killed someone because LLD changed my target?

I don't know what's funnier. That you forgot Vezok claimed his ability yesterday, or that you think I night killed Vezok because I feared his scumhunting skills.

[GreyICE]

Um. Wasn't his ability passive? Like, PGO-ish?

I don't recall ... I seem to remember that is was drawn out and confusing.

Although that might explain Vezok's death if it is PGO like.

...

First, didn't we debunk that?

Second, I targeted the claimed PGO? Why exactly?

Third, why do I know what Cojin's ability does?

[GreyICE]

Oh for
Fucks sake
That makes
Perfect sense

Unvote

[GreyICE]

Sharkfinn and Jin are town.

If this was Fate/SpyreX, I MIGHT buy the dual gambit delayed questionable poisoner/1-shot neighborizor with other power gambit. Jindori/SharkFinn? This is exactly how they'd do it

[GreyICE]

Pine, did the role not say "Amphibious", rather than "Amphibian"?

@Tclawren are we allowed to say were there from i can tell you the roles again. well anyway here's the coloured bit. Before i got my vist Saddest Turtle [from buttersafe.com], Depressing Lonely

Amphibian

. To this after shark visted me, Saddest Turtle [from buttersafe.com], Motivating Happy

Amphibian

. Apprently only my flavor changed when my role changed kicks mods gently.

Fakeclaim is fake.

Why are people not voting for jindori at this point? Shark is at least remotely possible, as he may have revealed his role to jindori in this theoretical QT and jindori faked off of that, but far more likely is them as a team.

Pine.

Why is it obviously fake.

Assume every fucking retarded role that you can imagine is in this game.

We already have the:
Contract serial voter killer
Unknown self-killing inventor
"dead" townie who posts through the mod and votes by PM
And a bunch of role absorbing stuff. I didn't even know what role I'd be getting.
A sad turtle that gets turned happy is par for the course.

PEdit: wut

[GreyICE]

Also Jin

No screenshotting messages. Seriously.

NO MODKILL

FUCK

[GreyICE]

No he has a point.

Normally newer and less experienced players either lurk or go super active shitposting everywhere when they're scum, then retreat when they're called on it.

Damn it Emp, you're town, fucking stop and think about it. It's a B-mod, lynch over ACTIONS, not MECHANICS no matter HOW retarded the mechanic is. I mean you realize cop guilties don't even come close to meaning anything until we determine both cop sanity and whether the global alignment janitor effects them, right?

Oh and

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

[GreyICE]

Yeah I'm sorry. That's a typo. I've seen typos in the names of MAJOR CHARACTERS from moderators.

[GreyICE]

Really, mind posting where I said I was town (rather than not-sheeping) for being first on the big Acro wagon?

Grey: Its not a typo. The person who wrote Amphibians thought Turtles were Amphibians. I'd bet my bottom dollar on it.

Okay, yeah, you know what? Every one of his vote and attack targets has been town in my eyes, PGO/Poisoner/Something claim was weird as hell, and so etc. etc.

Vote: Jindori

I have stronger scumreads, but this'll be the ENTIRE GAME.

[GreyICE]

Meh welcome to WIFOM land, population me

[GreyICE]

I just don't get night actions.

you poisoned PimHel
shark finn neighborized you
One of you enabled LLD?

How does that work?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Jindori

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, who claimed to be a Fated Backup, claimed to have gained an ability this morning from either nobody or Cojin. Claimed to have targetted Cojin N1. He now receive random pieces of information about the setup every night.

*realized that first post isn't updated with role flips*
@Mod: I can has role flips in first post?
roles flipped N1 are here

Questions:
1) Why Cojin?
2) Your ability is a passive one, correct?
3 Do you have any active abilities? (You can simply say you don't wish to answer this question, I don't mind)

1) No I claimed to have targeted either no one or Cojin, I always got Cojin's role. As for Cojin, I was fated to 'eventually receive an ability to make investigations.' (loosely paraphrasing) This might mean I was the backup for the first town investigative role to flip, it might mean only Cojin. Leaning more former than latter. As I said, I'm not a backup for scum roles, because Acronach was the first scum investigative role to flip, and his ability SCREAMS town to me. Combined with the fact Vezok was an amazingly obvious townie (to the point that LLD is scummy for suggesting he was scum and scummy for continuing to suggest it today, and scummy for flopping around his target), and I'm convinced that town is flipping red (plus there is no fucking way in fucking hell that we lynched mafia scum then two mafia scum died N1).
2) Fated backup was passive. I no longer possess this ability.
3) Don't wish to answer.

Unvote

For now.

I wish to think about a few things, and we're missing input from some people, ESPECIALLY METRO FUCKING METRO GET IN HERE YOU SCUMBAG

[GreyICE]

Lady Lambdadelta claimed to have swapped the actions of Cojin and GreyICE. This is a bus drive ability. I actually don't have questions, but an obligatory 'why' is in order here. So... why these two?

Actually, she's a reverse bus driver.

Bus drivers swap targets (so anything that would hit me hits Vezok, and visa versa). She did it so that anything that I did would be Vezok's target, and anything Vezok did would be my target.

As a claimed inventor, he'd probably be targeting town reads, as a *null* I'd, well, unless I'm a doctor I'd probably be targeting scumreads. Sooooo...

[GreyICE]

I understand the perpective. In another post Grey specifically dodged answering whether he had an active role outside his Passive Backup. I didn't want to double quote for fun so I just included this bit ...

Fixed quotes ~Nik

No, I rather specifically REFUSED to answer the question of whether I CURRENTLY have an active or passive power.

I had nothing beyond my backup power yesterday.

God you're so fucking scum this game Wallbanger. You're just not this stupid, and all you're doing is nodding your head at what other players are saying.

[GreyICE]

God you're so fucking scum this game Wallbanger. You're just not this stupid, and all you're doing is nodding your head at what other players are saying.

This is where I would insert a Troll.jpg. Because all you do is throw rhetoric and insults and facts that make no sense.

All I'm doing is nodding my head at what other players say - DERP indeed.

Fate at least has some sense of style when he pulls this crap. You on the other hand are a pale imitation.

Wait a second. Lets get this straight.

1) You think doctoring the flips on two townies to look like mafia was the result of some active janitor-type ability, rather than a global passive that all real flips are going to be red until we solve it?

2) You 'knew' that I was speaking from LLD's perspective, but wrote your response as if I was speaking from mine because "you didn't want to double quote?"

3) I "dodged" answering whether I had an active by saying "I refuse to answer that?" How is that a dodge, Magna? That's straight up me refusing to answer.

As a claimed inventor, he'd probably be targeting town reads, as a *null* I'd, well, unless I'm a doctor I'd probably be targeting scumreads. Sooooo...

Ok, so now you may or may not have an active ability on top of your ‘Passive’ ability to take over the full role of some other player. Good to know ….

Ok, so now you may or may not have an active ability on top of your ‘Passive’ ability to take over the full role of some other player. Good to know ….

From LLD's perspective I think.

I understand the perpective. In another post Grey specifically dodged answering whether he had an active role outside his Passive Backup. I didn't want to double quote for fun so I just included this bit ...

Fixed quotes ~Nik

GreyICE, who claimed to be a Fated Backup, claimed to have gained an ability this morning from either nobody or Cojin. Claimed to have targetted Cojin N1. He now receive random pieces of information about the setup every night.

*realized that first post isn't updated with role flips*
@Mod: I can has role flips in first post?
roles flipped N1 are here

Questions:
1) Why Cojin?
2) Your ability is a passive one, correct?
3 Do you have any active abilities? (You can simply say you don't wish to answer this question, I don't mind)

1) No I claimed to have targeted either no one or Cojin, I always got Cojin's role. As for Cojin, I was fated to 'eventually receive an ability to make investigations.' (loosely paraphrasing) This might mean I was the backup for the first town investigative role to flip, it might mean only Cojin. Leaning more former than latter. As I said, I'm not a backup for scum roles, because Acronach was the first scum investigative role to flip, and his ability SCREAMS town to me. Combined with the fact Vezok was an amazingly obvious townie (to the point that LLD is scummy for suggesting he was scum and scummy for continuing to suggest it today, and scummy for flopping around his target), and I'm convinced that town is flipping red (plus there is no fucking way in fucking hell that we lynched mafia scum then two mafia scum died N1).
2) Fated backup was passive. I no longer possess this ability.
3) Don't wish to answer.

Oh and as for me dodging whether I had an active role:

To clarify. LLD's action will cause you to act on Cojin. But You chose to use your Back Up role on Cojin or Vezok.

Why do you use the word choice?

I had no abilities except the vague thought that someday I might have some.

So MoI, I don't know WHAT the fuck is going on with Jindori and SharkFinn.

I do know a lying, misrepresenting scumbag pushing a bad case when I see one.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE, don't you ignore me.

There are 19 people in this game, and you think that I should have a comprehensive list of strong reads with logic and explanations on every single one of them, including the lurkers and replacements, completely up to date, onhand at all times to hand to you?

C-Worl, reads and explanations on every poster in this game, right now. Demonstrate time and effort so that I don't go "LOL you copied the player list and added some random ass stuff after each one"

[GreyICE]

I don’t know … because straight up refusing is the same thing as dodging? In that you aren’t answering the question either way.

Feel free to continue to rant about me being scummy while not showing any sort of scum motivation ...

I think you're scum. I got scum lynched yesterday.

I've voted for you and I'm calling you scum. And there's no scum motivation to imply that I'm scummy, that I'm lying about my ability, that I'm deceiving people, that I'm dodging questions?

Why what a good point! Let me just unvote!

Or we can work on getting you lynched. Wait, I like that one better. Lets start.

[GreyICE]

I never said every one in the game. I said I wanted a list of the ones that you did have. That could be as many as all of them or as few as none. I want to know who has caught your attention in one way or another. I'll make make a list of my reads but it might take a while to go through the isos and reread the thread just so I get my facts straight.

Okay, then:

Town reads:

EmpKing - he's usually obvious one way or another when he cares about the game and posts. He's logically reading and coming to rational conclusions and processing. He's providing information about alignment and strong opinions. He's town.

Charlie - I know, I know. Punch me or something. But I just don't see any scum motivation, and he's just SCREAMING 'mislynch' all over the place. Combined with an actual effort to figure out what's going on, and I see Charlie as town based off his play today.

Magua/Umbrage - if you don't realize that Umbrage replaced out because I was right and he was wrong, you don't know Umbrage. He did that because I was right about his scumbuddy when he already KNEW his scumbuddy would flip scum? LOLNO

Occult - TOWN

No fucking clue:

Jindori - had a mild town read yesterday. Today...
SharkFinn - had a mild scum read yesterday. So yeah.
Tclaw - I hate the fact his ability won't show up in vote counts which means we can only 'prove' it by lynching someone. By the by though, that's a dumb thing for scum to do when they have zero suspicion on them, while it's totally consistent for his claimed role, so... yeah.

Scum

Metro/Cicada - I'm serious about this. Cicada's posts were scummy as hell, and Metro has done... nothing.
MagnaofIllusion - YES
LLD - yes, she still is. LLD and Acro are both tied to her, and the tclaw lynch was just 'jump for it!'

Swapping our targets proves almost nothing, except she has an ability she claimed.

[GreyICE]

@Lady lambdadelta If i somehow survive this will use your boosted power to switch people from targeting one of us(me or shark) to someone else you think is scummy. Because when you get a message from cuttle saying you can use your power twice in the night phase, You will know me and shark are not scum.

Okay, see, this is what I don't get.

Every single night ability that's been claimed, and there's been a few, resolve at the end of the night.

So how would LLD get double enables tonight?

[GreyICE]

Okay, lets lay this out.

A dead Pim Hel and an enabled LLD go a long way towards making this shit a hell of a lot more town feeling. I can see scum doing all sorts of things, but shooting Pim Hel isn't it. Scum 'fake vig' shot is more like Vezok - someone town, potentially helpful, but also known 'bad player.' Pim Hel really hasn't done anything. I had to look them up to remember they were in this game.

That's a goddamn GREAT thing to vig.

I have NO IDEA what's going on with Shark and Jin, and thy both probably should be dead by endgame, but I can't bring myself to say they're the lynch today. Their wagon provides no information at all. They'll probably flip red, and the night kills will probably flip red, and everything will probably flip red, so we're going to learn nothing.

A dead Pim Hel and an enabled LLD go a long way towards making me think town. That's a weird set of powers to blow on people to make yourself 'kinda maybe sorta' town.

[GreyICE]

@GreyIce
I don't see where you get the doctored flips from. Plus your confusing your terms.

Janitoring means unrevealed flips like with Zycro since his suicide didn't reveal an alignment/win condition. (It's black still)
I also don't see how roles are related to alignment (your Vezok statement).
Also your claim that Cojin's role can find out information about the setup reads similarly to a role cop which is often a scum role (but can be either or).

Dude, the red flips don't mean mafia right now. They just mean dead people. Lrn2bmod.

Zyrconium isn't dead either.

[GreyICE]

@GreyIce
Also Haylen whos the town example of a town flip is green. Town win condition = green shown in the list as green as the example VT flip. Learn2read.

Dude

First no way in shitting hells Vezok was scum. Scum vezok is obvious in about 5 seconds.

Second, do you really think we lynched scum day 1, then two scum died N1?

[GreyICE]

^ This is a repeat of LLDs claim ><.

@GreyIce
1. No, if you're a back up

your role resolution should work when Cojin was dead

. Which means that your fated back up would work at the start of D2, not N1. My backup resolution works when

someone is dead

. Not when [/b] someone is alive [/b]. Which means LLD's redirect caught a lying GreyIce.

2. So? I've had perfect sweep games where we lynched scum back to back and won in 3 days. That's not an argument, that's gamblers fallacy. There are games where town lynched all the scum within the first few days then lost in the end due to massive consecutive mislynches.

Which head is speaking?

I want to make absolutely sure who is a total fucking idiot.

[GreyICE]

Just lololol at the insults now.

You're saying that it's more likely that scum can modify the flips then getting a lucky break due to the high PR game (just based on the claims alone)? "shrug" suit yourself. I still got my eye on you.

I'm sorry, but I was at least hoping this was either total head mismatch or something.

Nothing that comes out of your slot is making the least little sense.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2976677
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2977684
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2977689
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2978895
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2978910

These can't all come from one, sane, consistent human being reading this thread and drawing conclusions.

It's not scummy
It's not townie

It's just really, really, really stupid.

It makes no sense. Nothing you have written today makes any sense. You spend post after post after post doing nothing but setup speculating, and you do it REALLY FUCKING POORLY.

@Mod: Will scum always flip Red?

Maybe, maybe not! ~Nik

Yeah, so until some actual players flip some other color, I'm going to assume there's a global color washing of flips.

Oh and like every bmod ever has the 'guy who dies on day 1 but is a supah-sekret player' role. Or is a player and isn't even in the player list. Or something like that. Zyrc is so obviously it it isn't even funny.

[GreyICE]

Just lololol at the insults now.

You're saying that it's more likely that scum can modify the flips then getting a lucky break due to the high PR game (just based on the claims alone)? "shrug" suit yourself. I still got my eye on you.

You mean in a high power BASTARD MOD game there might be an ability that color washes the flips?

naw.

Can't be.

Until it is mod confirmed post game that Vezok was scum I will NOT believe it based on a flip color that is highly suspect in a bastard game.

[GreyICE]

Grrr

Pine - no amount of weird night shenanigans are going to distract me in a game where we can't trust flip colors or corpses to stay dead.

Reads on MoI, Occult, and Fluffy muff go.

[GreyICE]

You're arguing the flips are doctored right? That means the closest indication that we caught scum is that red = mafia (faction not known, but belonging to a mafia). Mod confirmed information. As in Zycro is dead. And Cojin/Vezok are likely mafia flips. Same faction? Who knows. Occam razor says unless there are crazy flips, then they are scum in my books.

Mod: Why is Zyrconium still on the Not Voting list?

He likes it there. It's comfy and warm.

Yeah, so uh those flips being crazy?

Lets just stick to YES

[GreyICE]

Pine: scum would not kill pimhel. When pimhel dies and lld gets an extra action, we can confirm that that part went through which will mean the rest is probably true.

For now, I'd rather focus on pressuring lurking scum like Metro and Magistar.

Confirming LLD's boost is reliant on her word alone. Please note that she has not said anything about receiving a boost of any kind, and as it is a day phase ability, she would have. On D1, I was targeted by a day phase ability and immediately received notification.

Why wouldn't scum kill PimHel?

Uh.... ISO PimHel.

At that level of content, town was going to have to sooner or later.

[GreyICE]

(Processing answers...)
Firstly, thank you, jindori for answering my Qs.
But it isn't enough as I'm getting a sinking feeling that something's amiss.
Would you please copy pasta the colored portion of your role PM, and tell us exactly when you've had this role change?

............


Charlie.

Acronach would be modkilled for this according to your hammer day 1. do explain.

[GreyICE]

The Mod said we can c/p anything colored from our PMs, iirc (ie our names / role title).

o i c

kay, that'd make our lives saner if Jin did that. It's not like we haven't had two or three fullclaims from him already.

[GreyICE]

Okay so I again declare Jindori town.

And myself very confused.

We're going to have at least one of those 'night actions that never resolves with an 'oh shit' note from the mod' I can tell.

Would you care to make an avatar bet on that claim? ;D ~Nik

[GreyICE]

You haven't pressured me in the least.

Grey: Why do you think that such a liar is town?

Potentially misaimed. I think Jindori is town. The ability kind of makes sense, and dead PimHels go a long way towards making me happy.

I think Shark and Jin are neighbors.

This doesn't quite say Shark is town yet.

[GreyICE]

Okay, lets go through this list:

jindori

(6) - Empking, Pine, Magister Ludi, Amrun, Lady Lambdadelta, MagnaofIllusion
tclawren (1) - Occult
Charlie (1) - SharkFinn
MagnaofIllusion (1) - GreyICE
Metro (1) - Raivann
implosion (1) - C-Worl
Empking (1) - Charlie

Not Voting (9) - Magua, tclawren, Nobody Special, Zyrconium, PimHel, implosion, Metro, Fuzzy Beavers, jindori

Lets go over the wagons:
Jindori - Such an easy wagon. If he's town, some of these votes have to be scum, it's just too much of a fun target to resist.
Tclaw - He's in this game? Good voting
Charlie - is most likely town. Bad voting
MoI - scum, great voting. Very smart people on this wagon.
Metro - *shudder* good voting
Implosion - good voting, but don't have a strong scumread.
EmpKing - is town. Bad voting.

Bad posting:
Nobody special - The man ALWAYS lurks when he's scum. Sometimes when he's town, but he has no idea how close he is to my 'lynch it out of the thread' tolerance for NS lurking.
Pim Hel - hopefully will be dying. 'cause we won't learn alignment ANY OTHER WAY
Fluffy Muff - useless hydra is useless
Zyrconium - better be town, since apparently I CAN'T FUCKING LYNCH HIM.

[GreyICE]

You haven't pressured me in the least.

Grey: Why do you think that such a liar is town?

Potentially misaimed. I think Jindori is town. The ability kind of makes sense, and dead PimHels go a long way towards making me happy.

I think Shark and Jin are neighbors.

This doesn't quite say Shark is town yet.

Basically we are and we do not know each others alignment atm, but we assume and believe we are each town.

So do you still have the 1-shot message you can send to someone since you were blocked?

[GreyICE]

Amrun you need to answer my question about your own statements instead of simply dodging them.

jindori, can you give me your thoughts on these players. I would be interested to hear what you say about this game that is not set-up related.

Charlie
Empking
Lady

No setup speculation included.

Ludi, give me some strong town and scum reads. Nothing about Jindori or SharkFinn right now.

[GreyICE]

Scum:
Empking
Charlie
Raivann
GreyICE (Re: vote on Magna, overspeculation, fake (over?) agressiveness)

The only people I fell more than decently sure are town are Occult and Magna.

I'll happily go into what about these people's play makes them mafia, but I doesn't appear you really wanted that as a quick reread of myself would have given you these reads (albiet minus yourself)

Okay, that's one person I know is town and one strong town read, and two medium town reads.

Any reasoning here?

[GreyICE]

Grey also attempts to pick apart the jindori wagon by saying 'some scum on here', but then don't actually follow through and pick it apart, or try to broadcast to the village why those 'people' are scum.

Ludi, who are you voting for right now?

[GreyICE]

If you're trying to say I am scum, you should do so without little winkey faces and cryptic rhetorical questions.

I'm trying to pick it apart and figure out whose scum on it. Starting top down, believe me. And I think I've found it...

Crap.

Here's the deal: Since Day Two dawned, I have this post restriction. It's got a pretty complex formula that only allows me so many posts and so many total words toDay; also some other funky requirements. Unsure if I'll have it toMorrow, so.

unvote Strawberries

Vote: jindori

I like pistachio ice cream, do you?

So here's the deal. NS, you are NOTORIOUS for lurking as scum. And you receive a post restriction that forces you to lurk.

And then you vote for the biggest wagon around.

Vote: NobodySpecial

This is meta. But when you don't post I have very little else to use. Except that's a scummy, scummy post restriction what with the whole 'and then it might be gone tomorrow ehehehehee.'

[GreyICE]

Anyone who FOS' Magua is scum or dumb.

Umbrage is basically confirmed town because he replaced out. I've butted heads with his unreasonable ass before, and he was 100% convinced I was either an idiot or scum pushing a mislynch on an easy target.

The "Mafia win condition" pissed him off so badly he replaced out rather than deal with the general thread opinion of his reads after that.

Does scum get that angry and embarrassed when a KNOWN SCUMBUDDY FLIPS? Or even scum from scumteam A when scumteam B flips or something? Nah, they got other things to worry about, whose on to them, their team's position in the thread, etc.

He's TOWN. Umbrage was TOWN.

And it's damn nice to see some common sense around here. Jindori wagon is a motherfucking gold mine of scumreads.

[GreyICE]

---------------------------------------------------------------------

That's the line after which I no longer read a Jindori post

[GreyICE]

1) Vezok wished to target town. I most likely would have targeted scum (since most roles target scum (tracking, watching, investigating, blocking, etc.) if I targeted. Since I can't imagine LLD reading Vezok as scum sanely, the motives are pure scum to me.
2) Vezok targeting me wouldn't have done it. I would have had to target vezok with something for him to target himself. More likely his ability malfunctioned for some reason or there's a kill flavor that's 'ironic.' Or god knows. B-mod, never read much into night shit. If you're telling half the truth of the strange things that have happened to you, a random inventor who can blow themselves up is just minor.
3) HE WAS NOT SCUM. NOT NOW NOT EVER
4) Your character is SharkFinn's bitch, so make your own damn sandwich.

Also he didn't aim at me. Or if he did, he meant to give me a cool invention. Or something. Which would probably be 20% useful 60% weird-useless 20% lethal given how these games go.

[GreyICE]

i ask did you even read the wiki link correctly . Seal clubbers passive ability from the game revolve around turning them into tools Meatsmithing is a prime example of this. The only way he would make a super cool invention is by killing someone. Let see some of the things they smith in game penguin skin +yak tail = whip.
chrome meat steak plus sturdy sword hilt =chrome sword. You see what i mean they all involve meat. A seal clubbers maIn weapon is oh gosh a club, How did vezok die, Clubbed to death. Well it's not like you need to club something to death to gets some meat. (sarcasm aimed @ grey ice.)

And you're a bloody amphibian.

Never try to outguess the mod in a bastard game.

Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play
Day play > night play


Got it?

[GreyICE]

Got it but I'm stuck in the dayplay so that's why i went to nightplay.

I understand, but at the moment I think there's two confirmed facts about the night play and information:

1)

Haylen

-

Kanye West

[

from real life

], Interrupting Sloth - Incinerated night zero.

A Win Condition has been revealed!

Win Condition (

Town

):

You win when the town is the only faction remaining.

Acronach

- Garry Kasparov

[

from real life

], Challenged Flavour Cop in Training - Lynched day one.

A Win Condition has been revealed!

Win Condition (

Mafia

):

You win when the mafia is the only faction remaining, or when nothing can prevent the same from happening.

The formating is SO SIMILAR that Acronach almost must be mafia. There's a point where it passes bastard and hits 'bad moderation.'

2) Zyrconium is

at worst

a third party whose win condition is not antithical to the towns (unless he reenters the game immediately tomorrow). Having scum you can't lynch in any way again passes 'bastard mod' and hits 'bad mod.'

3) Something distinctly non-Kosher is going on here.

Other than that, Stoofer's third law will just be quoted until it sinks in:

Because the more complicated a game is, the more difficult it is for the Town, there comes a point where increasing the number of pro-Town power roles may actually tilt the game balance in favour of the Mafia.

In other words, if you were just a 1-shot poisoner, it would have been simple. But you're not a 1-shot poisoner, you're a 1-shot poisoner that morphs into a 1-shot enabler. This is obviously better! But you're also a 1-shot poisoner that morphs into a 1-shot enabler and gains a neighbor thread! This is EVEN BETTER! But the combination of these abilities has you the largest bandwagon - despite them all being pro-town powers (and currently I believe that

you

are town, SharkFinn

may

be town (and it's leaning probable).

[GreyICE]

GI, that's your reasoning for Magua town?

Meta on UMBRAGE?

I can give you 3 reasons at least why Magua is town.

None of them require Umbrage Meta.

Start playing the game in thread, and stop worrying about meta.

Also, GI... What do you think about Magi!scum?

Meta? What's meta about that? That's raw motivational tells.

Magi scum currently feels worse to me than NS scum or MoI scum, or to be honest LLD scum. If you wanna make a case go for it, but fishing for who I want to lynch is silly.

NS - a FLURRY of weird ass shit happens that proves this game is odd. Suddenly he shows up late in the day with a mysterious unexplained post restriction that stops him from adding content and might go away at some point, then he votes the largest bandwagon with no explanation, offers no input into the game, and fluffs off.

Add in the fact that the post restriction looks obviously made up, and you have a winner. For instance:

Crap.

Here's the deal: Since Day Two dawned, I have this post restriction. It's got a pretty complex formula that only allows me so many posts and so many total words toDay; also some other funky requirements. Unsure if I'll have it toMorrow, so.

unvote Strawberries

Vote: jindori

I like pistachio ice cream, do you?

I like pistachio ice cream, do you?

So he has a post restriction that limits the number of words he posts AND requires him to post fluff? FUCK THAT SHIT.

Here's how I post if I have that:
Restriction: Word # limit +++

Magua - town, umbrage replace, content
MoI - Fluff, details, bandwagon, scum
Jin - Claim believable, 2dum4scum, provable power, town

Jin wagon - scum.
Ludi - need content
LLD - scum: content, hunting, targets, policy lynch,

Charlie, Shark - town 4 now

He throws away words all over the place, effectively doubles his usage by double posting the same thing in a color tag (rather than PMing the mod 'sorry I broke my restriction, color tag + punishment and I won't do it again'), he has a COUNTERPRODUCTIVE restriction, he makes NO ATTEMPT to work around it to help the town, yeah, he's fucking obvscum and dies.

[GreyICE]

Theory about Zyrc:

He's been confirmed as dead.

What if someone has a role that makes a player commit suicide... And then steals their vote?

GI, you said in your post that you have "enough experience" with Umbrage to make this call.

Yeah, I know his personality. He's an arrogant, loud player with a very high opinion of himself. (and obviously nothing at all like me)

That's not meta, that's just knowing people. People don't CHANGE, LLD. Not on a dime.

As for Zyrc, nah. This role is just too old hat:

Welcome to Mind Screw Mafia II, PLAYERNAME. You are Lain Iwakura (from Serial Experiments Lain). You got hauled from your empty city to this strange place, like Eiri before you - and like him, in the face of a realm of random number gods, you've decided to cast your lot with those who would remain free.

You are a Townie Who Does Not Exist. You have the following special abilities:

RetGone

- After seventeen player posts into Day 1 or after your first post (whichever comes first) you will kill yourself. Nothing you or any other player does can prevent this. The method of death will be "Killed by Gunshot".

Alias

- So long as you are in the graveyard, your name will appear to be Lain Iwakura (from Serial Experiments Lain), Vanilla Townie.
Lady of the Wired - You count as a player in the game while in the graveyard. (The graveyard is the dead players list. This does not allow you to post in the thread.)

Beyond the Grave

- So long as you are in the graveyard, you may vote and FoS privately by sending a vote or FoS by PM to the Mod.

Dead Lady Walking

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If he's not in the game I'd be seriously, seriously shocked.

[GreyICE]

I've been trying to figure out what this NS post restriction thing is about. I'm leaning towards an actual post restriction, but I need him to post again to make sure

Dude, the difference between a pro-town post restriction and a scum post restriction:

Pro-town: the townie clarifies the nature as much as able, offers as much content as is able to, and continues to work hard at scumhunting with the restriction.

Scum: The scumbag does nothing to attempt to help the town out, does not define the characteristics of the restriction, makes no attempt to establish a communication system, and does not scumhunt.

AND he joined the largest wagon. AND his restriction is FUCKING COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

What sort of restriction limits the number of words you can post AND makes you ask someone if they like a certain flavor of ice cream? Again, this is the difference between BASTARD and just BAD.

TLDR? Nobody special threw together a nonsensical restriction to give him an excuse for lurking and is going to coast to the endgame on the back of an ever changing restriction.

No.

Fucking.

Way.

[GreyICE]

Man, Lady, Wallbanger, I have no idea why I want to lynch you...

[GreyICE]

I looked up who Magister replaced ... it was two post wonder RICO ACT.

Metro hasn't convienantly popped up after getting a smidge of pressure so I'm guessing he / she is headed for flake city.

UNVOTE: Metro
VOTE: Magistar Ludi

An explanation of that hop is in order.

Yeah no fucking shit.

Commentary on Nobody Special's restriction in all your analytical glory. How did he use a restriction that limits the number of words you can post? In a pro-town or anti-town manner? Does his explanation make ANY FUCKING SENSE AT ALL? Did he explain his vote AT ALL? Is he fucking obviously fucking scum? YES

Why the FUCK would we lynch anyone else right now?

[GreyICE]

Your distancing is bad and you should feel bad.

[GreyICE]

That was a weird vote by MoI

Oh really? Do tell please? What about voting for the person who just avoided their recently posted top 4 scum list to vote for NS is weird? I really would like to know.

On NS

- Grey you are quite overlooking the fact that NS player fucking anti-Town / scummy regardless of his alignment. He's an absolutely great Vig target. All your rest of 'outguess the Mod' is just that ... your personal judgement on what could or couldn't appear in a Bastard game. Which is frankly useless.

@Everyone

- Anyone wish to claim giving a crippling post restriction to a lurker?

You know, this is the second strongly scummy thing I've seen from a slot that you want to toss into the 'VI lets vig/lynch it later' pool.
Meanwhile you're voting a slot you can toss in the 'VI vig/lynch later' pool. Only I'm not getting much of a scumread off the one you're voting, while I'm getting an enormous fucking scumread off that one post.

Also, NS is hardly an idiot.
Identifies the right scum in 3 man LyLo
Solid analysis


Fluff
3 pages of total fluff/active lurking
Two pages of miserable fluff culminating in one of the funniest things I've read on MafiaScum
Two pages of fluff followed by a case custom designed to make one player SURE NS was scum


TLDR? Yeah, sure, you rarely have much idea on day 1, but by days 2/3 he usually has solid input as town, whereas as scum he just fluffs some more and fluffs some more.

We had a day of lurk fluff and then a post restriction which he doesn't even TRY to use in a pro-town manner.

Is this pure raw meta?

YES.

He scumlurks so badly it hurts. I have nothing else to work with.

But between that and this awful awful post restriction, he's so scummy that I can't see how you can even make a sensible case on him being town short someone claiming this ludicrous power and offering a sane explanation of what it does. Which I can't see, since I can't figure out a restriction that
-limits the number of words
-forces random capitalization
-makes you post in a color
-makes you ask fluffy non-game related questions

[GreyICE]

Grey

- Rusty Guillotine Mafia - enough said.

Yeah VPB was still obvscum except for that fucking flipping town and shit, and Fate was the dumbest lynch in the history of dumb lynches.

[GreyICE]

Also, how the HELL am I tunneling?

I have a strong read on you two that hasn't changed, and your behavior is still SCUM AS FUCK.

[GreyICE]

Didn't that have an odd mechanic or something?

[/offtopic]

Yes it did. What I was trying to get across is that he replaced in, got a scum read on VPB, held onto it and helped quicklynch VPB in LYLO. He read and repeated stated that the actual two remaining scum were Town throughout his time. And as shown above can't possibly understand that he isn't correct. Like Fate and Benmage his ego greatly outsizes his ability, IMO.

Summary - Grey gets reads and doesn't let them go regardless of the benefit or damage. Whether he's Town or Scum doing so.

Thanks, now tell me what's wrong with lynching Nobody Special right now, and why Magister is the better lynch.

[GreyICE]

Okay, that's fair enough.

To me, I trust post restrictions when the player tries to work around them in an town manner and they make sense.

This one really feels like there was NOTHING motivating it besides a desire to appear less suspicious.

And in a potential multiteam (I'll lol if this is single team, but the 'win conditions revealed!' suggest otherwise, if nothing else) 'scum jumping for easy lynch != town lynch'

I like the vote, I like some pressure on NS, and I'm not convinced in Ludi-scum yet.

[GreyICE]

like i said, i don't expect to be here tomorrow, so by all means, vote away!

vote:akon

No choice in the matter, we have too many players in this game to be carrying dead weight.

Oh and by the way, jindori has gotten quite aggressive lately... just look how he plays akon like a bitch in the first one, I'm telling you, jin needs to watched.

Meh I've reread Occult thanks to Magua's post, and he's not buddies with Acro, I'll tell you that.

You can bump the town read down a few notches, but if that's anything that's pushing suspicion on someone for a mislynch, not preparing for a scum lynch.

[GreyICE]

Speaking of which, I should just post a list of everyone I don't have a read on for references and opinion.

Maybe I will try that 'actually listening to other people' nonsense that people tell me about.

Raivann
Pine
implosion
C-Worl

I kinda think Raivann is town, but I'm really unsure on the others. C-Worl is especially bad, since they have miles of content and I get no strong reads off any of it.

[GreyICE]

Vote: nobody special

Will you people stop arguing over who's dick is bigger to realize the obvious?

This is the billionth time that Raivann has sheeped to a wagon, and this time he didn't even bother saying anything to explain the vote, he just voted.

UNVOTE: Implosion

^He asked to be replaced out so the lurking probably was due to the reasons he gave.

VOTE: Raivann

^At least when I sheep I say something. He's done it a thousand times and this time he doesn't give any reasoning. He just hops on like a good little scum.

Is saying something to cover up the fact you're sheeping less scummy than blatantly sheeping?

[GreyICE]

Is saying something to cover up the fact you're sheeping less scummy than blatantly sheeping?

I'll admit that I sheep from time to time. (Like in TWBB or my vote on Charlie) but I normally try to explain and not everything I do is sheeping (votes on Implosion and Raivann) where as all Raivann's done is hop onto wagons.

You're certain of this?

[GreyICE]

Certain of what? That I don't always sheep? That I normally try to provide reasons? Or that all Raivann has done is sheep?

The last.

[GreyICE]

See it's funny because at this point I'm near-certain Raivann is town. It's such a strong read it actually worries me.

[GreyICE]

LOLYEP.

LOL@ZYR'S VOTE BEING ON THE WAGON

He the closest we've got to confirmed town though, so it gives me a fuzzy feeling. I just can't imagine scum that's unlynchable.

[GreyICE]

Easter Weekend, many are getting a free pass because of it.

[GreyICE]

lol, vote count is probably correct. I think we need to treat L-3 as the same as L-1 (you don't put someone there unless you're fine with a hammer).

[GreyICE]

Okay, so that's L-2 with the proven ability for ninja vote moves.

All further votes signal intent to lynch.

I'm completely fine with that

[GreyICE]

Studying for finals.

VOTE

jindori

it was a happy Easter

Why did I ever think he was scum, folks?

[GreyICE]

Testing something out here. Does this count?

As I said, the restriction is rather complex. It's got lots of clauses and if..thens and such. Mod hates me

Have you ever ridden an elephant along a freeway?

I swear unto god just die.

[GreyICE]

No, I do not consider jindori to be scum. I tried to make the point that reading him in isolation gave me a town read.

As pertaining to his role, and post restriction, It is impossible to tell. But he recieved close on a lynch before he posted a SECOND time, which means people did not know what exactly his post restriction was before they voted.

We STILL don't know exactly what his "restriction" is. Probably because he hasn't made up the details.

[GreyICE]

Testing something out here. Does this count?

As I said, the restriction is rather complex.

It's got lots of clauses and if..thens and such.

Mod hates me

Have you ever ridden an elephant along a freeway?

Pieces of the 'post restriction' so far:

*Orange text
*Limited word # (which he used up a ton of by double posting)
*Random caps

toDay

; also some other funky requirements. Unsure if I'll have it

toMorrow

*Random Unvote

unvote Strawberries

*Random Question at the end of each post

Oh this would all be halfway explicable if he HELPED US SCUMHUNT.

But so far we have a total noncontributor who has a post restriction that needs a flowchart, a word count function, and a calculator?

Come on. Yes, it's a stupid gambit. It's a stupid SCUM gambit. He dies.

[GreyICE]

blah

Moderator: Mind fixing the tags above?

Fixed, I think. ~Nik

[GreyICE]

It is currently

21:07

on

April 1st

. Cutthulhufish is due to arrive at

00:00

on

April 7th

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Nearly 2 days consumed Amrun.

What's the pro-town motive for doing that?

[GreyICE]

So stephoscope works as advertised on the label. That or someone else does.

[GreyICE]

Huh?

That actually makes any scumteam with him on it impossible to lynch in LyLo.

That'd be a nuts high ability for scum.

[GreyICE]

Okay. We're gonna test this out.

This post is not adhering to my restriction, so if I get modkilled, well. I'm almost dead anyway.

I'm gonna go ahead and claim right here: I'm a town-aligned NK-immune vigilante. BUT I can only kill people that have voted me during the immediately previous day. Also, my kill is delayed (so to me, it's a poisoner, but my role PM doesn't use that word, which I find a bit odd).

So. Questions for me, while I'm still alive?

Okay, so you're a bulletproof vigilante.

Miller too I assume?

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Forgot to do this.

Why are you unvoting the serial killer?

[GreyICE]

Hmmm.

Nobody Special, will you be a nice Serial Killer and kill who we want you to?

[GreyICE]

Hmmm.

Nobody Special, will you be a nice Serial Killer and kill who we want you to?

Did you read? He can only kill people who vote him.

So unless you plan on making people vote him...

I like this plan a lot!

They don't vote him, we lynch him. I mean it's not like I believe that restriction EITHER, but he's so obviously the serial killer here it doesn't even matter. We can use him as a spare lynch, or we can lynch scum from the thread today.

[GreyICE]

Dammit NS.

If you're going to claim bulletproof vigilante you HAVE to throw in the Miller bit. It's like mandatory.

Also explains why this wagon grew so damn fast despite it being on scum

[GreyICE]

Hmm

Actually there's enough target changing shit like LLDs ability that we're better off just lynching him. Any scum redirector could use him as a spare night kill.

[GreyICE]

Hmm

Actually there's enough target changing shit like LLDs ability that we're better off just lynching him. Any scum redirector could use him as a spare night kill.

Yeah, and I get two redirects.

If you use one to dick the SK's aim off a good target that's pretty much a scumclaim


But anyway,

@NS:

the mafia is of no threat to you since you're BP. On the other hand getting a wagon on the serial killer takes us squinting at you somewhat hard. This is a bmod, and literally anything can happen... as long as you're alive

Think about it! You can scumhunt, and have the vast joy of shooting really annoying people and watching them flip, while utterly secure in a warm blanket of 'oh no you don't' to the scumteam. If we sweep the scumteam, then you get to feel like town as part of our victory! If we don't, you get to live in LyLo sniping off scumbags with us! We're your only enemy, and we can be very benevolent!

We just call your shots, and you make em happen. Deal?