Square Enix VI (MAFIA WINS)

[bobsnox]

wow I forget to look for the game thread unless the mod links it in the PM ;_;

/confirm

Obviously I need some time to catch up...

[bobsnox]

I've been reading every post since I last posted but withholding comment because I honestly don't know what's going on. The two biggest strands recently were the vezok thing and those daykills, but I was lost through most of it.

That said, I'm going to

VOTE: Chesskid

because this definitely looks like scumChess to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but townChess posts more and tries to pull random gimmicks while scumChess just stays out of the spotlight.

[bobsnox]

eh this is moer like
chesskid who has no time for mafia across all his games

/replace me plz

;_;

[bobsnox]

oh look my vote on Chesskid caught scum lol. I like the case on DeityKabuko as well, though. #314 is good.

UNVOTE: Chesskid (will look at his slot later)

VOTE: DeityKabuko

Scumlist:
DK
Elsa von Spielburg

[bobsnox]

I don't think Anti's play has been that scummy. He played similarly in SE1 (doing a lot of setup speculation early) when he was town. He was scum in SEMG and started out trying to push weak cases against people and generally being erratic with his suspicions.

oh look my vote on Chesskid caught scum lol. I like the case on DeityKabuko as well, though. #314 is good.

UNVOTE: Chesskid (will look at his slot later)

VOTE: DeityKabuko

Scumlist:
DK
Elsa von Spielburg

So you "caught" scum in chesskid, then he replaces out and suddenly he's off your scumlist?

Actually I was referring to Elsa when I said caught scum. My vote triggered his/her vote, and that vote was scummy. I'm willing to buy Chesskid being busy as long as he actually replaces out. But I think both Elsa's vote and unvote were scummy.

If you guys are sure DK's scumminess is actually his town meta I'll gladly join the Elsa wagon.

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: DK

VOTE: Elsa von Spielburg

Scummy when she posts but even scummier in the fact that she's not voting anyone. There are plenty of options right now... How was Chess the only viable option for her?

[bobsnox]

ooba - Chess is town because I voted him or what? And Elsa is town because she ___? My Chess vote was scummy but Elsa voting him after me makes her town? That is a really odd analysis in that department.

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@bobsnox
Yes. Chess, elsa are both town because I think you're scum. elsa voting chess has nothing to do with it.

That's really bad reasoning. Like really bad. I hope someone else picks up on it. You're not even considering the possibility that I could be bussing either of them. Heck, Elsa and I were the only two votes on Chess - never crossed your mind we could be on the same team?

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@Bob's 407

That post is bad, really bad.

What are you trying to accomplish? I don't get what you are getting at with that point of yours..

ooba seems scummy with his read. It just doesn't make sense to me. It's like he's picking something really small/unknown out and building a list of three alignments based on it.

According to him, I'm scum because I voted chess. That's fine (wrong but whatever). But how is he clearing Chess and Elsa by calling me scum?

What am I missing?

[bobsnox]

Post 412... - Potential issue detected...

Bobsnox... Querying reason for voting CK?

Ooba... Subject motivation unclear.

Are you asking me why I voted Chess? If so, because of how he was avoiding attention big time. I've seen him do that as scum before. TownChess tries to pull weird (sometimes funny) gimmicks like claiming cop results or whatever. If not that, then he at least posts with more enthusiasm. ScumChess knows he is bad at being scum (I have a quote somewhere) and tries to minimize the attention on him. I think my Chess vote was pretty darn good, except he's replacing out for reasons that negates my analysis ;_;

[bobsnox]

I'm interested to hear it. Sounds like a good deflection choice lol

[bobsnox]

ahh I was about to say that. nutsssss. I have been reading everything, just watching for mistakes and someone steals my thunder.

Now which one is lying? My bet is Anti.

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: Elsa

VOTE: Anti

In case that wasn't a hammer. We miscounted earlier.

[bobsnox]

Parabollocks - did you and your buddies come up with a good case against me yet or are you going to keep us waiting again?

[bobsnox]

VOTE: Parabollocks

[bobsnox]

grrr VC reset

VOTE: Parabollocks

[bobsnox]

Amrun - Parabollocks kept saying he was going to provide a great case against me but never made good on that even after being prodded to do so by myself. His only attempt was basically sheeping you with what you said against me. Moratorium summed it up pretty well above.

[bobsnox]

Didn't you just do the same thing you're voting Parabollocks for?

Not at all. I never promised a case against him multiple times and then just quoted someone else.

[bobsnox]

Para's case on bobsnox feels like weak tea to me, but I'd still like to see a response from bobsnox.

Sure - what exactly is the case though? It seems to have changed the last few times Parabollocks has posted. He feels better about my Chess vote and he sees that it's different from Elsa's Chess vote.

Parabollocks - see above. What is it I need to answer at this point?

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I'm playing lazy, what can i say, i'm not taking 100% into this game as i usually do, so excuse me.

Sure - what exactly is the case though? It seems to have changed the last few times Parabollocks has posted. He feels better about my Chess vote and he sees that it's different from Elsa's Chess vote.

Parabollocks - see above. What is it I need to answer at this point?

Basically that you voted chess, elsa followed, and apparently that was all a ploy to catch scum, you then do a bunch of other shit that bothers me.

here's the post for reference. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3118901

Actually it wasn't a ploy to catch anything. I though Chesskid was scum. When Elsa instantly added her vote to Chess, I found her scummy for it (the way she did it, how she verbalized a lack of other options or something, etc.). That's where my remarks about catching scum came from.

Clear? Cool.

Now, who are your buddies?

[bobsnox]

vote: parabollocks

if it's not there already.

He plays more protown than this as scum.

im also confused by this.

I'm still confused by it. I almost asked about it earlier but I didn't have time to think it through and figured I was missing something obvious.

But I'm not the only one, so I'd like a better explanation.

If it's a scumtell for Parabollocks to be more protown, and he's being less protown, then he's not scum...

[bobsnox]

Mod: Votecount

Please.

I don't know where Parabollocks is at.

I wouldn't want to lynch him here.

Why not?

[bobsnox]

Scummy docs do not like

UNVOTE: Para
VOTE: Diddin

[bobsnox]

Vezo, who would counterclaim you d1? <_<

This.

Do mods on this site tell scum whether a doc is in the game or not? I don't see how else Para would know to fakeclaim doc.

[bobsnox]

hey bob, i have alot more experience then you think i do, let's just say that.

So it was a fakeclaim...

UNVOTE: Diddin
VOTE: Parabollocks

[bobsnox]

Vezok gets his wish

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And you're bragging about it because?...

Die scum

[bobsnox]

>implying i'm bragging.

no, i don't like you counting me of as a noob, when half of this fucking roster don't have a brain.

I'm definitely going to consider you a poor player if you flip doc after this nonsense. Is that cool with you?

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I'd be willing to bet diddin is scum or a VT. IIRC he just didn't want to play anymore (yes?). You don't get yourself in a jam like this and lose interest/give up as a town PR IMO.

I agree with Lowell's last post.

UNVOTE: para

I re-read para's recent posts. In no way is he protown but he seems to be genuinely just arrogant and mindless. He won't survive until endgame if he really is a doc, so I'll let him be for now.

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i dont think ive ever played in a game where someone who was at L-1 or L-2 replaced out in a game this big.

this could be wifom, but i would think it would be more pro town to at least defend yourself, or give up some sort of helpful information, like a soft claim, scum reads, or something, before replacing out.

thus prob scum but maybe VT

[bobsnox]

Vacation or not, diddin would have found a way to claim if he had something to claim. He's scum and doesn't want to be here when his death happens, or is VT and figures it doesn't matter. Either way lynch away, please.

This

I said this twice already. I will hammer if he's not replaced soon.

[bobsnox]

Chances diddinscum and parascum both requested a replacement under pressure? <_<

[bobsnox]

oh what do you know I called it

the old I'm a VT so I don't care routine

[bobsnox]

VOTE: JPSalazar

do not like

[bobsnox]

His ISO is like "oh yeah sure i don't know whatever's fine"

[bobsnox]

Please tell me that rant is directed towards yourself primarily.

[bobsnox]

JP, if you're going to claim, do it.

MOAR ELIXIR means jack shit to me.

Stop insulting everyone while offering nothing. I have more content in my little pinky than you do in your whole body.

Softclaiming =/= content

Thank you...

[bobsnox]

You know what, I'm good with a panzer lynch. JP is bad. I agree there is no town motivation to play like he's doing. But there's also no scum motivation to whine and cry about being a VT. That creates exactly the kind of negative attention he's getting now. He wasn't under enough pressure to claim as scum, either. Panzer has been just as bad if not worse.

UNVOTE: jp
VOTE: panzerjager

[bobsnox]

Hiraki - I will join the DeathNote wagon if he is the best lynch, but I don't think your case against him is that strong. I agreed with him about the panzer selfvote. Him wanting to forgo replacing diddin didn't strike me as all that scummy since I was pretty sure diddin couldn't be all that helpful of a slot if he was town (called him being vt or scum). The main thing I find scummy about DN that you pointed out was the "why vote diddin?" question and then voting diddin without explanation. So I will join that wagon but I think there's something in this panzer-JP area.

[bobsnox]

;_;

UNVOTE: panzer

Ok Hiraki

VOTE: deathnote

[bobsnox]

ok I'm happier with my vote after all this.

[bobsnox]

Random vote.

VOTE: DeathNote

/totallynotdoingshitanymore.

Replace out or something then.

[bobsnox]

If Panzer is a viable lynch today I am all over that. I get that he claimed mason but I find it to be better practice to lynch based on behavior over claim. That would of course incriminate his mason buddy as scum, but I've seen worse scumtactics than claiming masons.

I have a hard time reading Hiraki but I haven't seen anything beneficial from his sector. Lynching him or Vezok might shed some light.

[bobsnox]

I'm semi-V/LA and waiting to see what Glork comes up with for a good lynch today. I'm in the sticks in Georgia with only my phone for posting. Will post more Monday.

[bobsnox]

man, after all this time i still want bob dead. too bad i can't vote him.

sup

Guess it's time to actually do some work since Glork isn't offering much.

[bobsnox]

How about Glork replaces out? <_<

[bobsnox]

How about Glork replaces out? <_<

Scared?
Glork never said no one could do anything. Were choosing to do nothing.

No, more like I thought we elected his slot our little leader and I'd like to see some action out of el presidente.

[bobsnox]

How far are we from a deadline? On my phone - hard to check.

[bobsnox]

Geez Glork hasn't posted in 5 days.

[bobsnox]

You want to vote enough to kill Glork?

[bobsnox]

VOTE: Popsofctown

1

[bobsnox]

Yep

[bobsnox]

where did the switch from pops to chrono happen?...

[bobsnox]

I'm sorry. Lots of IRL stuff going on. Was that a pops lynch?

[bobsnox]

still Bobsnox. >_>

<_< I would've killed you a while back

[bobsnox]

these scum abilities are really killing this game

[bobsnox]

VOTE: Moratorium

I've been skeptical of his votes for a while. Now Parabollocks is dead. I don't know I haven't been paying that much attention. Just seems like a good scum candidate to me <_<

[bobsnox]

I don't like what Kise said in the pm's he sent out to inform us day 5 was ready.

Uh, I didn't get this PM. What did it say?

kdub scum? Notified in scum qt instead of PM?

[bobsnox]

I'm still good with my vote <_<

[bobsnox]

oh hey moratorium is still alive <_<

[bobsnox]

let's lynch Amrun's "townish" Moratorium and lynch Amrun tomorrow. at least amrun is trying <_<

[bobsnox]

good point hiraki

UNVOTE: moratorium
VOTE: amrun

[bobsnox]

I don't care a whole lot. this game basically died with that glork crap. I'll ride the best bus I see and Hiraki made a good point

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: amrun

VOTE: lowell

wagon hopper you

[bobsnox]

Bob, you're officially garbage and I have no reason to see that you're not scum either.

k dude. I'd replace out but I'm afraid it would kill this game even worse than Glork.

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: Lowell
VOTE: Amrun
Whatevs

[bobsnox]

yep

VOTE: moratorium

[bobsnox]

Moratorium should not still be alive if he's town. I thought scum killed conftown generally speaking. If HN made moratorium conftown by pulling that odd gambit, then he should be dead.

but he ain't so

I'm good with a Lowell lynch though. Those were two of my votes yesterday.

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: moratorium
VOTE: lowell

I reviewed some stuff from yesterday. Lowell makes more sense and I think we have a little more consensus in that direction.

[bobsnox]

oh hey this game...

how is lowell not dead yet?

[bobsnox]

what the

do you think I'm scum? then why are you not even voting me?

lynch it with fire

[bobsnox]

ok my bad lowell

what is the case on bunny? everyone who is on her wagon seems pretty sure of themselves.

[bobsnox]

VOTE: bunny

[bobsnox]

I genuinely did nothing this game <_< Chrono was the mastermind for the end. Hiraki kept us straight.

Oh and I really forgot Elsa/Amrun was scum when I initially suspected her for voting Chesskid. I looked in the QT and was like oh crap...

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Kats - this is game #2 where I avoided you as scum (I think?). When are you going to catch on? lol