Square Enix VI (MAFIA WINS)
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So, hi.
Still need to finish the last few pages, but then I'll do a run down of everyone left.-
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Kise wrote:Votecount:
Antifinity: 11 (xRECKONERx, popsofctown, diddin, JPSalazar, GhostWriter, Katsuki, Quilford, ooba, MehPlusRawr, HellloooNewman, Parabollocks)
vezokpiraka: 7
DeityKabuto: 5 (Moratorium, Panzerjager, vezokpiraka, Antifinity, Lowell)
Elsa von Spielburg: 4 (pappums rat, KDub, LobsterCatapult, bobsnox)
xRECKONERx: 1 (DeityKabuto)
Moratorium: 1 (Midnight's Sorrow)
Not voting: 6 (BunnyLover, Chronopie, C-Worl, DeathNote, Elsa von Spielburg, Hiraki)
With 28 alive, it takes 15 votes to lynch.
Deadline is 2.5 weeks away.
pops' reaction is SO fake.
He was voting for Antifinity at one point.
At the end of the day, he was voting for DeityKabuto, who had softclaimed a town power role.
Act better, scum.
VOTE: popsofctown
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OKAY I'mma break this shits down in alphabetical order for y'all.
bobsnox: Leaning scum. He has a long string of VI or "easy" votes (Chesskid, DK, Elsa), changed at opportunistic whim. Then, he finally reaches an original attack with some teeth, pointing out a legitimate flaw in ooba's posting, and dances around it. No vote here, when it's his first legitimate REASONING behind someone being scummy? Not even calling ooba out as scummy, really, only kindasortamaybe? I also didn't like the dichotomy that he votes chesskid off of meta with hedging language, "correct me if I'm wrong," and then votes for Elsa for doing the same thing. However, I like his exchange with Parabollocks and his point on ooba WAS good, so I give him a few town points, too. This is closer to scum than null.
Bunnylover: Leaning town. In ISO#1, he says, "Let's policy lynch DK!" which is ironic because BL is not a great player. In ISOs #2 and #3, he says, "Policy lynching is really bad; DK won't flip scum, so let's not lynch him." The irony is that HIS VOTE IS STILL ON DK AT THIS TIME, until ISO #6, almost a week later. Also pops had a weird defense of BL, saying he policy lynched "sometimes," when no one had even mentioned it, iirc. However, BL gets townpoints for noticing the same thing in pops that I noticed today - a lot, in fact, enough to bump him up to leaning town (but still mostly null).
C-Worl: Leaning town. I sort of see what people were attacking earlier on but disagree that it is a scumtell for C-Worl, and his genuine effort is above average for him throughout the game. ISO #19 leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though. It's like if everyone else thinks it's scummy, he might "re-evaluate" his own opinion on it, leaving room for backtracking. Still, null with enough effort to bump it over to a bit town.
Chesskid/Quilford: Leaning scum. Chesskid did NOTHING, which amounts to a null tell. Quilford, though, blatantly bandwagoned and then promised content tomorrow in a "chunky post." What is that chunky post? Closer to null, though, especially if he produces.
Quilford wrote:VOTE: Panzerjager
ISO rings scum
Chronopie: Totally null. POST MORE.
DeathNote: Townish. Needs to post more, but his attack on Panzer seemed genuine and town-motivated. Still, managed to avoid the elephant in the room (Antifinity), which loses some townpoints.
diddin: Null leaning scum. Not much to offer but an opportunistic "policy" jump on the C-Worl wagon and then on the Antifinity wagons and blatantly says he doesn't need to explain why, which looks bad in hindsight. Still, much closer to null.
Ghostwriter: Town. His scumhunting efforts seem genuine.
HelloNewman: Town. Claimed miller in first post and gives me townish feel in his posts.
Hiraki: Town. Scumhunting efforts seem genuine.
JPSalazar: Leaning scum. Hasn't contributed much. Very hesitant to throw down a vote for no good reason (scumtell, imho). He ends up voting Antifinity after seemingly disagreeing with Reck that Antifinity is scummy. Do not like.
Katsuki: Claimed mason. 'Nuff said.
Kdub: Townier than town. Actively fought against Antifinity's lynch and I agreed with most of what he said throughout the day.
Lowell: Townish. Lurky, as usual, but noticing good things.
MehPlusRawr: Null leaning scum. Seems a lot more interested in provoking people and/or posting pony pictures than scumhunting. Has contributed nothing of significance.
Midnight's Sorrow: Null leaning scum. Seems to be trying actively not to contribute, but I get the feeling this may just be a terrible playing style.
Moratorium: Townish. Whines a bit too much instead of contributing, but does attempt analysis.
ooba: Leaning scum. Has content, but much of it contradicts each other. Besides the thing bobsnox pointed out, there is also the thing where he votes Antifinity, but says that Lobster has more set-up spec posts than Antifinity and doesn't even FoS Lobster. lol. bobsnox's weirdness about ooba reads as someone who is annoyed to be getting bussed by a buddy, so if bobsnox or ooba ends up flipping scum, the other one gets a lot more scumpoints.
Panzerjager: Null. Hasn't contributed anything but sheeping and a scummy self-vote, but kind of reads like lazy town to me instead.
Parabollocks: Null leaning scum. I really dislike the way he's content to sheep Antifinity while he's too lazy to make a case on bobsnox and keeps stalling about that.
popsofctown: Hello scumz. By the way, please explain how Hiraki is the "sheepiest" on that wagon and how it makes him scum, kthx.
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Pops: My mistake; you were voting for Parabollocks and my eyes played tricks on me. (I did check it, but somehow still got it wrong.)
Either way, here are the issues I have with your response post:
A) You say "I" lynched Antifinity and then chastise me for not fact-checking. I wasn't in the game at that point, and I believe my predecessor had flaked and wasn't voting for anybody at that point. So we have either two options here: you are mudslinging, and poorly at that, or you consider yourself separate from the town and thus refer to the town as "you."
B) You fail to explain how I recall incorrectly. I dinstinctly remembering your strange defense of BL coming out of nowhere. Tell me what prompted that statement and why you felt the need to share, especially since BL was not even advocating any policy lynches at that time.
C) You fail to take into account that there were two cop claims at the time, and that Antifinity claimed in a very fishy way and was clearly confused about his own role. If 3 people claimed cop in one phase, are you saying we shouldn't lynch any of them and just give them a free pass to end game? Vezok should have spoken up, but he didn't, so people took his word over Antifinity's.
I also don't like how you were content to let the wagon go by with a token disagreement before the flip but now you raaaage. It so looks like trying to get townie cred.
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Parabollocks wrote:i had a case in my mind, i just never took the time to put it on paper.
i think i stated why i found him scummy, i just didn't go into detail.
Nope.jpg
Try again.
JPSalazar: Your AtE and baseless insults are noted (and scummy).-
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Probably something to do with him being poisoned, apparently.
If you and kats are masons, why don't you know each other's visions?
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Cute hypocrisy, pops.
I am not at all attacking you for calling the wagon bad. I am attacking you for the way in which you did it. The wagon was on town; it was, by definition, bad.
You assume wrong, but let's not skirt here: you assumed I WAS on the wagon and didn't check whether that was true or not. As it so happens, I don't think the wagon had any validity UNTIL the botched claim. Someone claims cop early in the day; someone claims cop in a questionable manner at L-1. WATDO? "Lynch it with fire" is a perfectly reasonable reaction to that, so I'm skeptical of your claim that post-claim voters are "sheepier." Personally, I would be more inclined to wait the claim out, but I understand the other reaction and so should you.
Still, the main point is that the emotion behind your outburst feels disingenuous.
As for the policy lynching/BL issue, I wasn't asking for my health. I wanted to hear YOUR explanation, not mine. It's called scumhunting.-
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What blue font, Lowell?
Pops: I forgot to ask how exactly I'm generating unuseful noise.-
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OHSHIT.
Are C-Worl and Ghostwriter out of the game, then?
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My guess is one more set of two, but it could be none.
I don't get now why reck said he was trying to draw the nk with this mason business...-
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Oh my God.
Quilford just voted the same person twice and then unvoted just because I said "you have got to be kidding me."
All of this after promising a chunky post that was supposedly already thought of / written.
UNVOTE: popsofctown
VOTE: Quilford
I haven't forgotten you, pops.-
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So what you're telling me is you're SO CONFIDENT that Moratorium is scum that you feel the need to drop two votes on him, neither with reasoning, but as soon as I say something about it, you immediately unvote, and it's not because of me?-
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What was so compelling about Moratorium that you ISOed him and voted him two separate times? What was so compelling about that same ISO that compelled you to unvote him?
You're asking me to believe the timing is a coincidence and I'm afraid I just can't take your word for it.
Why is panzer scum? Why not place your vote back on him? Where is that post you promised?
Still, by all rights, my suspion of pops is higher.
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But why would he fake a mason claim? It just doesn't make much sense in perspective of his role. Whatevs.-
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Where is your case on parabollocks, bobsnox?
Quilford, stop dodging kthx-
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Didn't you just do the same thing you're voting Parabollocks for?-
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popsofctown wrote:220 is good posting.vote: Antifinity
My guess right now is that the are multiple third party groups with wincons mutually exclusive to eachother, and then there is town, scum, and SKs, who have traditional win conditions mutually exclusive to eachother. Before I thought people would be wagering chips on which way people were gonna flip. But folks is gettin shot.
In 220, Reck not only says something criticizing Bunny for policy lynching, but also makes a case on Antifinity entirely revolving around Antifinity's focus on the minigame. You call this good posting. This posted Tues, May 31, 9:13am
Then, on Thursday, with 3 posts in between, you post this:
popsofctown wrote:I didn't vote antifinity. But at least you didn't bold my name.
Antifinity's setup speculation is only slightly scummy, especially after the meta. Reck-is-scum-but-imma-vote-elsewhere is significantly scummy though. People are on the right wagon for the wrong reason. Quite likely some of the wagon is third party minigamers who think his setup speculation is a minigamer-tell.
Antifinity is scummy but not scummy enough that I want to lynch four days into a 3 week deadline.
PB lynch is a nice place to vote though, for general sheepingunvote, vote Parabollocks
This is just insane backtracking to me. How can you forget voting for someone? How is Antifinity's talk of the minigame dropped from :goodposting: when reck criticized it and worthy of a vote to only slightly scummy and not worthy of a vote? Not much changed in this time frame.
Later that same day, with several posts in between, you post this for your last post of the day:
popsofctown wrote:Oh, and FTR, Bunnylover does policy from time to time. She policy vigged in the last SE mafia.
Before that, bunny had said something about DK possibly getting vigged but was no longer advocating a policy lynch on DK.
DK said this in the post before your post:
DeityKabuto wrote:popsofctown wrote:DK, being in 8 games inevitably causes your play to suffer in some of them. It's more enjoyable for other players if you have about half that many. There's a multitude of ways to entertain yourself on the internet if your mafia games are momentarily moving too slowly to fill all your free time.
Don't claim your PR. Unless you've fakeclaimed as town before, it'll probably kill off your lynch now that you've claimed to have some sort of PR
Damn. I wanted to see what Bunnylover would say, that would determine his alignment.
So your comment just seemed really out of place to me. Why did you feel the need to speak up in defense of bunny lover's policy vigging policy when it was attacked, but criticizing bunny lover's policy lynching is :goodposting:? It was really incongruous and the phrasing didn't seem genuine. Something about it just bugged the crap out of me, and I wanted, and still want, to hear your explanation of it. I didn't want to skew your response by pointing out what I'd seen, but since you insist, here it is.
And you can hem and haw all you want that you weren't around to derail the Antifinity wagon, but you were around up to a day before it and didn't do anything but put a weak vote on Parabollocks for sheeping. You knew Antifinity was being wagoned up and you chose not to fight against it.
And I did NOT support the wagon. It was impossible for me to support the wagon as I didn't exist in the game at that point. I explained already that if I had been around, I would have advocated testing the claim as much as we could, but you keep choosing to ignore that.-
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Did you just admit that your read on bobsnox is totally fabricated? I think you did.
Point out what I didn't respond to that you want me to and I will. I forgot what it was.-
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Neither of your responses resolved the issues I brought up.
First Antifinity's minigame obsession is enough for a vote and then it isn't.
First attacks on Bunnylover's policy vendetta against DK is :goodposting:, then it deserves defense.
Which of these are your actual stances? Why the flip flops?
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What kind of question is that? What answer do you expect? YES I AM SCUMZ? Of curse I'm not, but I would hardly answer yes to that question if that were true, would I? I am addressing popsofctown with hard evidence and his best answer is "irl made me forget I suspected C-Worl and totally reverse my stance with no explanation" and "I will ignore the point of your post and tell you some other irrelevant information."
I am using posts, timestamps, etc to show pops why I suspect him and why I drew the conclusion that his reactions are fake and that he is scum.
But go ahead and parrot someone else's mudslinging some more.
Seriously, what was the point of that question? What conclusions were you hoping to draw from my answer?
It's a stacked question and I don't like it.-
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I am not equating your vote to a hammer. I am addressing the contradictions in your approaches to Antifinity.-
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Oops, just noticed I said C-Worl in there instead of Antifinity.
Please answer the question, Parabollocks.-
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It isn't just the over reaction, bunny.
Hiraki, I am not amused. The playstyke you're imitating isn't working for you.-
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Well, that wasn't my point. You're trying on a new style or something and it's not very pro-town or productive.
Do you have any scum meta to provide? I've played with you as town a couple of times and this seems a bit different.-
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Well there's some teeth! They aren't sharp yet, but you're teething.
I disagree that bobsnox and Elsa did exactly the same thing, but I'm glad to hear your thoughts on the matter.-
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No. The key difference is that bobs actually has played with chess and is aware of chess meta - and chess was indeed off his town meta. Due to scum or irl issues idk yet.
Elsa was sheeping other people's meta votes with zero knowledge of the meta. It's fairly weak to vote on meta, but to sheep meta as your top read is something else entirely.
It was early in the game yet so bobs' meta vote wasn't that bad but Elsa's was different.
They just were different. That isn't what I find scummy about bobs.-
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So are you saying he isn't scum, pops? Sounds like that to me but I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding.-
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So if he's playing differently than he plays as scum, do you think he's town that should be policy lynched, or do you think he's scum?
Does anyone else see a scumslip here? I do but I don't want to confirmation bias myself into oblivion here. It looks like pops knows parabollox is town.-
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That post is missing the conclusions I asked for.-
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Pops, very simply: DO YOU THINK PARABOLLOCKS IS SCUM Y/N
That's all I wanted.-
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I was unclear whether it was a policy lynch or a scum lynch in your eyes. All you need to say is yes or no. Why keep dancing around it?-
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Carbuncle is probably the correct spelling. It's ahealing summon. I remmeber it from something. FF8 maybe.
We should all switch to pops for knowing para's alignment kthxbye.-
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So me, Hiraki.
I believe para's claim. I was not supporting his lynch anyway.
And if he's lying we'll figure it out anyway.i-
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First letter cut off. Iso me. Pointed it out already.-
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diddin wrote:Guys, Carbuncle was doc in SEMG. Do you really think that Kise would use it after KDub so quickly?
*slaps wrist*
No. Bad!
We don't lynch un-cc'ed docs. They sort themselves out at night.-
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Hiraki's been pushing diddin all day, bunnylover.
And nights sort out doc claims, true or false. Parabollocks will not be lynched today if I can help it.-
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Why is everyone ignoring pops?
Still, could get behind a diddin lynch. Lobster notsomuch.-
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Aw, there goes my townread on para. Why would you ever say that? Smh...-
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So what am I doing, twiddling my damn thumbs?-
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Why would you want to be lynched if you were town doc?-
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I know, but his recent line of anti-town posts are annoying.
Diddin lynch is okay, but I prefer pops. You abandoned that pretty quickly, Hiraki, after calling it a "snipe."-
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Lobster is right... That replace out was totally anti-town.-
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That doesn't make any sense, but whatever. I'm just saying, most town players that replace out leave a little something (like gorilla in Chesskid's mini normal) and scum usually don't (like Artem in Cold War) - these off of the top of my head.-
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gorilla had problems in real life and still gave some semblance of reads, with the understanding that his attention isn't what it should be and that's why he was replacing out.
In fact, his replacement was useless and never once posted content and that replace out post was enough that we could PoE the slot as town to help win the game.-
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You're the one who's been pushing diddin all damn day, Hiraki.
Sounds to me now like you're setting people up to look bad after a mislynch. Do you know diddin will be a mislynch, Hiraki?-
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Yes, I would.
If you think diddin is scum, explain why you are attacking other people for finding him scummy.-
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Yeah, no. DeathNote is town and you don't decide the lynches.-
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No, you don't, Hiraki.
bobsnox, pretty low, but it's null. And para isn't replacing out anyway.-
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