Into Africa - Over

[GreyICE]

Catchup time.

Why isn't DeityKabuto the largest wagon? Most confusing thing so far when I saw the player list.

[GreyICE]

In honor of Magna of Illusion not being in the game, I'm going to take his place.

Spoiler: CRIT FOR 9999

LOL...I was just going to vote myself...until I realized I was myself.

How am I like the first person to comment on this?

Plus it seems you are buddying each other from outside thread bonds, so that is why I think you are fisting each other, and not that you know each other's alignment.

Had a mental image of Fate and Elli fisting each other. Not good.

No need to cuss, it would have looked better with all your swear words replaced with civilized ones.

No respectable townie acts like that.

I can imagine we're going to get along swimmingly, my dear.

FoS: Jil

I was cussing as well.

Isn't this guy dead already? If not, what the hell?

vote: Lowell

Since I never got to lynch him last game.

I did a project/report on Rhodesia in the fifth grade. I don' think that's still a country anymore.

Was this an RVS on like page 6 with two or three serious wagons? WHAT THE FUCK?

I've loved Africa since I spent 9 years there growing up?

Fate being Fate.
Flavour is bad town attempting to be pro-town by trying to be chivalrous town defender. 124 is stupid posting.
Jil seems more coherent than other games I've seen her in. It's annoying. Troll read.

So.... yeah.

Oh wow, that was bad. Scumclaim in the first post. WTF, Pacman, WTF.

Rolefishing? LULZ. Yes I was rolefishing, a form of rolefishing called scumhunting. Seriously, there was no town motivation to say Ellie is town on page 1:
Town PRs: Don't want to out themselves on page 1.
VTs: don't lie

That's why i wanted clarification on why he said that. Now I see the town motivation: a gambit

I want to lynch you.

You post like a scum, if you'd ask me. I've been scum some times, and your posting behavior shows it.

Your mastery of pronouns is just impeccable. Man, if only you'd been town more often he'd be posting completely differently! Bad DeityKabuto. BAD!

^^What do you think of Elli's claim?

What's again with the rolefishing thing? I didn't rolefish, get over it.

I really don't see why people completely ignore Elli's claim. Is it in his playstyle to falseclaim, or to play gambits like that all the time? yknow, a guilty result is a guilty result...
@Ellibereth: Let's make it clear, do you really have a guilty result on DK?

Dude got thoroughly trounced
In a battle of wits
WITH DEITYKABUTO

I just don't even know what to make of that. It's like losing to the fat kid in a wheelchair in the 100 yard dash.

But I am, I am the Bodyguard.
I have never lied a claim in any games, I've claimed scum before, any role, you name it.

START GETTING YOUR GAMES STRAIGHT. THIS WAS MEANT FOR RETURN TO GAMBITS.

That was actually a claim in a different game, though. He's already claimed VT twice this game.

Oh, thanks, got confused. Yeah, I'm VT.

So this is the person who outsmarted Snarky. I... I don't even

Mod: I've voted before, I'm pretty sure. But the vote wasn't counted.

That being said

Unvote. Vote Silavor

I don't love my company on the wagon, but that won't stop me from sitting there at this stage.

Oh I see.

unvote
vote jil

Die scum Die.

YO FATE
YOU AGREE WITH ME HERE?

silavor (5) - evilpacman18, ZeL1nK, Seacore, elvis_knits, Amrun
earworm (4) - Altilysian, Flavour Analysis, silavor, Lowell
jilynne1991 (3) - Ellibereth, vezokpiraka, inHimshallibe
snarky (3) - Llamarble, earworm, Fate

ROFL YES THIS IS GOLDEN


GLAD TO SEE TAJO IS BACK IN THE USUAL FORM. NO SELF VOTING AS TOWN THIS TIME BRO. AIN'T SURE YOU'RE IT, BUT DUDE YOU WERE SO LOOKING AT A SCUM DRIVEN WAGON IN CAMDEN, AND YOU KNEW IT AND SELF VOTED ANYWAY. POOR GODDAMN FORM TAJ OL' BUDDY.

>Opinions on populartajo
Null read on him. His Hezlucky vote seems weak.
>Opinions on the game
The players in this game seem intent on stretching everything they possibly can. I don't think any of the current cases being pushed are worth a vote.

CIRNO COULD BE THOUGH. YES OH YES.


OH YEAH LLAMARBLE'S TOWN, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR HIM LURKING BECAUSE I SUCK A LOT. BUT MY FOOT'S KINDA BACK TOGETHER, AND THE INFECTION'S GOING AWAY, AND I DON'T HATE ALL Y'ALL ANYMORE, JUST DEITYKABUTO FOR BEING DK, AND AMRUN BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T READ THIS FAR IN MY POST AND THAT'S FUNNY.


SILLY BETTER BE TOWN STILL, BECAUSE HE READS AS TOWN. HEY SILLY, LAST TIME YOU PEGGED THREE OF THREE ON THE SCUM TEAM ON

DAY FUCKING ONE.

GET YOUR ASS IN GEAR OR I'LL END YOU.


FATE DISTURBS ME. I HAVEN'T HAD A SCREAMING FIGHT WITH HIM ABOUT BEING SCUMMY YET AND THE GAME IS ON PAGE 21. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

[GreyICE]

Shut up, derp.

[GreyICE]

Silavor wagon is like FUCK NO

silavor ()

- evilpacman18, ZeL1nK, Seacore, elvis_knits, Amrun, populartajo, Llamarble, inHimshallibe, Snarky, earworm

I mean fuck. That wagon should confirm someone who hasn't POSTED town, nevermind Silavor. Llamarble, are you scum this game?

I mean just look at that. If we killed everyone on that wagon, there MIGHT be one or two scum left alive.

[GreyICE]

So lemme see, obvscum:

EvilPacman
Vezok
Snarky

Probscum:
Llamarble for voting for Silavor. Something doesn't equal four.
Inhim - ISO

Vote: Fate

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Unvote

Vote: Snarky

[GreyICE]

Like you believe the shit that you're spewing

I'm not going away this game unless you kill me

Dude, lemme shortcut five pages:

"OH MY GOD I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS GAME"
"HERE'S SOME OBVIOUS READS, LEMME GO DO SOMETHING RANDOM"
"OH MY GOD STILL DON'T CARE, ICE IS SCUM"
"FATE IS SCUM"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
"NO U"
-------- (8 PAGES LATER)

"OKAY, NO, SCUM IS REALLY X, LETS LYNCH SCUM."
"NO UR SCUM LOLZ"
"COP GUILTY!"
"...."

SCUM GETS LYNCHED DAYS 1 AND 2 WHILE WE SCREAM AT EACH OTHER.


LETS JUST SHORTCUT THE SHIT SHOW AND GO AFTER SOMEONE WHO DESERVES IT. I MEAN BESIDES YOU.

EVILPACMAN, WHY AREN'T WE LYNCHING YOU FOR BEING OBVIOUS SCUM?

VEZOK, DO YOU LIKE EVER LEARN HOW TO PLAY SCUM?

LLAMA, WHY SILAVOR THAT'S NOT LIKE YOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU

[GreyICE]

Aw, grey, you hate me now?

Nah, because you bothered to read that far down obviously.

Also you're town, even if you're on the Silavor wagon. At least I think.

Seriously, does anyone on that wagon claim town reads on a majority of that wagon?

[GreyICE]

K so you're calling me town now, that cuts HALF the bullshit away.

So now we'll proceed with plan: I call for your lynch and people FOLLOW ME because your cracker jack reads and replacement post is shit in a hand basket/

Amrun, clearly you should see this.

Well I admit there's a few places your reads are different from mine. And I mean these are understandable differences. The

Clerisy

can bring so much to the

Proletariat

, and yet still respect that they have done so much with so little.

[GreyICE]

WHY ARE WE DEFUSING THE SILAVOR WAGON?

QFT

FOCUS GUYS!

WE ARE LYNCHING SILAVOR!

Nah, not today. But you and Tajo get to play the Silavor wagon challenge:


silavor () - evilpacman18, ZeL1nK, Seacore, elvis_knits, Amrun, populartajo, Llamarble, inHimshallibe, Snarky, earworm

You have to tell me that you have town reads on half this wagon, name which players, and then give me reasons why. 'cause this wagon is radioactive.

[GreyICE]

Hrm, Silavor townmeta 1156 does provide an example of "how does this thing I did make me scum?"
I can see Silatown now. And Snarky's reading town now too. Moving down the list: Earworm also. Maybe I'm just tired and think everyone's town.
No guess not.
VOTE: populartajo

You're scum this game, aren't you? Gawdammit, I was looking forward to working with you QQ

[GreyICE]

Grey, your scum team is pacman, Ze, possibly evil Llama, and probably Tajo, although Tajoscum is based mostly on gut and the fact that he leaped onto my bandwagon without any real reasoning, then keeps pushing for my lynch without saying why. There's probably more than just that, but no one else is really sticking out to me yet, and I can't properly keep track of this many players like I do in minis and newbies. Still, it's a good place to start.

I don't like Zel1nk at the moment, because I think there's a fine explanation for the policy lynch:

DK is the kind of player that will vote instantly at LyLo/MyLo without regard to what's going on in the game.

I'll give you an example.

O307, the game went to LyLo and scum self-hammered after slipping up horribly. What does DK do? He comes into the thread (here), votes for someone that is already dead (flipped town), then says "Whoops" and votes for the only other townie alive at LyLo. The game was already over, thankfully, but this is an example of why you really don't want DK around,

even if you're sure he's town

(and they were pretty sure he was town on D1 - it didn't stop him from being deadweight, though).

That says to me that the policy lynch is literally policy - he doesn't want DK alive, even if he KNOWS DK is town, because having him alive as town is just as dangerous as having a living scum player.

It's still fair to say this and then be surprised when a player has a TOTALLY DIFFERENT read on someone who you think is very readable.

However, we're having one read that's completely identical. Wanna get this show started?

Vote: EvilPacman

[GreyICE]

But will you mail the scum PM back and ask for a town one?

[GreyICE]

Grey, would you care to have some sort of case on me by the time I'm back posted? You have 9 hours.

I don't care to.

[GreyICE]

Well that's no fun.

But you are scum, so well

[GreyICE]

Elvis, you just JUSTIFIED your vote, you didn't THINK about it.

Seacore:

Mod: I've voted before, I'm pretty sure. But the vote wasn't counted.

That being said

Unvote. Vote Silavor

I don't love my company on the wagon, but that won't stop me from sitting there at this stage.

Llamarble:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p3134626

Inhim:

unvote
vote: silavor

for 501 alone.

(Note: Silavor didn't even POST post #501)

Snarky:

^ Oh damn, how's that called already? A FoS? Yah, a FoS, or a HoS, or anything that could have translated your opinion on me. Your fail reactions to pressure makes me think you are more probably scum than Amrum.

vote: Silavor

So Silavor's acting really scummy. I agree with most of what everyone has already said at this point, more so with the flailing thing than the 5 man scum thing.

Look at his iso. When was the last time he has scumhunted? It was way back in Iso #15. (and that was a lulzy question to Seacore) He's on Iso #26. He's trying so hard not to get lynched, he's not trying to lynch anyone.)

VOTE: Silavor

So these are your potential bus votes Elvis?

Come on, don't be shy. Tell me which one of them is a bus. Don't give me this 'scum are bussing' handwave, tell me which one looks like bussing to you.

[GreyICE]

FATE I'M READING VEZOKTOWN, AM I DOING THIS RIGHT?

No.

[GreyICE]

But he's scum so well etc.

[GreyICE]

Vezok isn't town you complete derpface. You're not reading the game, AGAIN.

I should have just called him town, then you'd read him and realize he was scum and laugh at me, then I could 180 and you could call me scummy for it and we could get things done.

Okay, new idea: I don't sheep you because you're worthless when you're at this stage, you sheep me. Vote Evilpacman.

[GreyICE]

Dear sweet christ why didn't you vig lowell?

Oh well, it's a fair enough shot.

[GreyICE]

Or I said it's a good shot because killing a lurker with less posts than I have is solid play for a vig? Hate hero vigs who decide that they will kill all the scum no one can touch, and kill all the obvtownies.

Vote: Fate

[GreyICE]

Yes vezok lets go PR hunting

[GreyICE]

elvis, how can you think vezok and pacman are town for their clams/townslips but not FA? pacman's 'townslip' was based on FA's zebra claim. Unless you're talking about a different town slip here. Like yeah, I can understand that you have problems with his play, but he's town.

On another note, I count 4 VT claims so far on top of a VT being day-vigged. That can't be a good thing.

And really... Why wasn't DK day-vigged?

Lets not debate which useless lurker the dayvig killed. DK and Lowell (OH LOWELL) can wait their turn.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Fate

I know you know town from scum, he was town. That vote makes baby jesus cry.

[GreyICE]

Wait.

Would Fate NK Elli? No. Elli is coasting obvtown. Ergo we're suspecting:

The wrong suspects.

Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

Something smells off. Oh yes.

[GreyICE]

Yep CKD is scum.

[GreyICE]

(He's town too, but hey I need all the mislynches I can get. Specially with GreyICE RIGHT on my heels)

Dammit man, stop acting like a Jester, now I don't have an excuse to night kill you.

[GreyICE]

Of course Snarky's NK speculation was gonna bring lots of attention to him. TBH, I can't see scum just throwing that out there and placing the focus on himself unless he was scum unreasonably paranoid that Zelink's comment was gonna explode into something bigger.

GreyICE's random-ass vote on CKD is suspect. With no explanation given, I just have to assume he's protecting HezLucky.

[GreyICE]

Are people actually bailing on the llamarble wagon? Why?

You've read like 3 pages of the game, shut up and get vigged like usual.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Fate

Why the fuck did I stop doing this?

Vote: HezLucky

Because Fate's bussing again. Obv.

[GreyICE]

All the townies are voting for Peregrine V

[GreyICE]

Vote: Vezok

Dear christ you're still not town.

[GreyICE]

In other news,
>vezok continuing to vote hop
>DietyKabuto continuing to follow people without question

My money is on a scum win this game.

Cirno, you think the town is in a bad spot, meaning the Serial Killer would preferentially rather shoot scum, and you're busy Serial Killer hunting like MAD, while avoiding scumhunting like it's a plague.

Vote: Cirno

THAT tell is as old as the hills... and disturbingly reliable.

[GreyICE]

So your theory is that I was going to fakeclaim cop, but then Hez beat me to the punch and then I decided to 180 and vote hez?

You're a moron.

[GreyICE]

...

What?

Can I have that again in English please?

[GreyICE]

Vote: Vezok

Dear christ you're still not town.

If you were town you wouldn't have pushed a lynch on me. I know you read me perfectly.

unvote
vote GI[/b[

You are the one that killed Fate aren't you?

This is the worst OMGUS I've seen in a while.

Yeah I read you. Random aggression, and abusing your meta of claiming early

You're not stupid in the least just... linear. And lurky.

[GreyICE]

You're right Cirno, that particular sentence is the only reason I might think that post is scummy.

I mean besides all the other scummy sentences in it (see if you can spot the redundant specific adjective).

[GreyICE]

You know, we can't really have a discussion if you just say 'some of those sentences are scummy!'. So please tell me which part of my post you believe to be scum-motivated and why you think so.

Not sure what you are asking, but as town flips have been antelopes, zebras, and gazelles, I am assuming that anything that preys on those creatures (such as hyenas and lions) are scum.

This is a pure flavor argument. I doubt this game breaks totally on flavor. You're basically tossing away responsibility for his flip here - if he flips town, you're like 'oh guess LlamaFluff did use that flavor after all, tee hee.'

Ignoring the flavor, the claim of day-vig that can only kill lurkers is like unimpeachable town. You've ignored this.

>Also you thinking someone trying to argue hyena = town is scummy, is your opinion and I don't think that's a good reason to base on alignment
From my understanding,you are saying that arguing that hyena may be town-aligned isn't scummy? Fact is, there is nothing to base such an argument on. In fact, the town flips so far would imply the opposite.

Lets follow this.
1) We've lost 1 scum, 5 townies. Most likely is 5 scum in this game (19:5 or 18:5:1). So scum are slightly ahead.
2) Uncounterclaimed repeatable day kill means he is not mafia. At worst he is SK. Most likely, he's town.
3) When mafia are ahead, they like killing serial killers (and mafia love killing vigilantes)

And your argument is that suggesting he is town as the null hypothesis is scummy? And that we shouldn't see much difference between this and the null hypothesis that he's scum?

That's fucking retarded. And scummy as shit. You clearly haven't thought about this in the least, you're just using him as an excuse to do nothing productive today except argue flavor.

>Does the rest of his play line up with this?
I don't care about his play.

ROFLMAO.

"He's Serial Killer" - Lynch helps your win condition
"He's Town" - Lynch helps your win condition?

Yeah, that's the answer I'd expect... from scum. Who the fuck cares what you're lynching, as long as it doesn't share your win condition?

>Also did you support the Hez wagon?
No, I did not. The votes on the wagon all seemed weak to me and I didn't care too much about Hez myself, so I stayed away. For the record, I don't think Hez's flip clears ckd in any way.

Blah blah I never commented blah blah.

As for the current wagons (seacore and grey), I can't seem to form a strong opinion on either. I think I like the Grey wagon a bit more because the reasoning for some of his votes seem more like excuses rather than reasons. And because he is voting me. Thought I'd say that before someone else does.

Blah blah town logic at all you'll vote for either wagon right now.

Hey guess what Cirno? You deserve to be lynched as badly as Vezok right now. And I'd be happy to vote for EITHER of you for VERY good reasons.

And I do have a strong opinion on them.

[GreyICE]

Seacore and Tajo are town, CKD is town/not worth lynching (POE), Amrun is town, EPM gives me bad feelings, I'm back to waffling on Llamarble and you, and Elvis is town.

[GreyICE]

Seacore's town because he's being arrogant and not flailing under pressure at all. He's totally self righteous and pompous, and quite frankly, that's reading at town (combined with some alright logic out of him).

Zel1nk I'll work out at some point, Lowell is a dumb question (really, how am I supposed to have a read, shake a magic 8 ball?), Atil dunno, Earworm dun care.

[GreyICE]

1) Seacore ISN'T flailing much. It overall feels like town under pressure, not scum. Before pressure, null/lean town. I expect scum to react differently under pressure than town, unless they're highly experienced.

2) Lowell should be shot soon by our lurker vig, so... I won't miss him? I mean holy hell, yeah, I'd love to know his alignment, but not enough to lynch him right now.

3) Atil/Earworm - look, there's like 18 people in the game, and I have 10 fingers. I just can't keep track of everyone without taking off my shoes (you're the ring finger on my left hand, FYI)

[GreyICE]

Because I don't know and don't really care at the moment. At some point I'll start giving a shit about everyone in the game, probably when it drops below 18 people.

Protip: most people who say they're giving reads on everyone in the game are giving reads on about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the game, plus 'people I don't really give a shit about right now.'

[GreyICE]

he didnt answer the first post, because he wanted it in english..so once I broke the post down to see what exactly he "didnt understand" he started to ignore...like Hez, I have backed him into a wall..

also, when peopled asked him about his post yesterday..he did not answer.

Maybe some votes might pressure this scum bag into answer questions?

How about I just laugh at you instead. Lets see what the supposed questions are:


Question 1!

How did you not realize that CuriousKharmaDog might interpret a common English turn of phrase to be a breadcrumb?

Answer 1!
I'm not a motherfucking psychic. Though I clearly explained that my opinion is that when the scum kill an obv-town player without strong reads like Ellibereth, it means the other town players are off track, and I changed my tack. THIS STRATEGY WAS SUCCESSFUL. Looking outside the strong day 1 wagons lynched us scum.

Question 2!

Can GreyICE explain if other players who read his comment thought it was a breadcrumb?

Answer 2!
No. Because I'm not a motherfucking psychic.


Question 3!

Is it a coincidence that Fate died last night?

Answer 3!
Probably not. I imagine scum killed him.


Question 4!

Why didn't you answer these questions I had on day 3 on day 2? Especially the one about killing Fate Night 2!

Answer 4!
I'm not a motherfucking psychic.


Yeah, can't figure out why I thought those questions were fucking retarded, or why I ignored you when your response to me was to repost them with more line breaks.

[GreyICE]

@Cirno: If you say you are wrong, you say you are wrong about the moderator's FLAVOR. You don't have to explain any of your reads. Moreover, you have not provided any reason he's scummy beyond blatant flavor analysis, and continue to both do so and SUPPORT THIS POSITION.

[GreyICE]

We could do worse than EPM. Still think there's a good chance we can do better.

[GreyICE]

I'm not as convinced Ze, but you've definitely got me wavering now.
Sigh.
I guess I'll be starting my own wagon then, since I don't like any of the current ones.

Unvote. Vote Lowell

Oh god why are we lynching Lowell? Can we just tell CKD to vig him whenever he gets a chance and have it done with?

There is no goddamn reason to lynch captain 'lurker I didn't read the thread' when we have an activity vig.

[GreyICE]

If you'd rather see vezok vigged more than Lowell, why are you voting for Lowell?

[GreyICE]

If you'd rather see vezok vigged more than Lowell, why are you voting for Lowell?

How does this not make sense to you?

Uh:

S: Lowell is scummy, Vote: Lowell
G: Let the vig handle him.
S: Vig is more likely to hit scum with Vezok
G: ... ?

Like... really, lets not lynch Lowell today. I still want him dead (living in a tunnel isn't a town tell) but he can be vigged at leisure.

I'm down with my vote right now.

[GreyICE]

How the fuck am I avoiding your questions? They were moronic. They remain moronic. You want me to explain why you read a breadcrumb that DIDN'T EXIST into my posts, and are mad at me that I didn't anticipate your insane logic and explain it yesterday.

As for there being not a single lurking scumbag, that'd be literally a first in a game this size. Always one, smart money is on Vez or DeityKab.

[GreyICE]

Vote No-Lynch

Don't mind me, I'm DK.

This is just until I do a good re-read over D3 and decide who's scum.
This is just until I do a good re-read over D2 and decide who's scum.
This is just until I do a good re-read over D1 and decide who's scum.

So you just claimed to be blatantly acting scummy, but we shouldn't notice because you're an idiot who doesn't know any better?

You

know

you're acting scummy but we should believe that you are an idiot who

doesn't know any better?

Care to explain yourself in a manner that doesn't make me scream 'obvscum?'

[GreyICE]

after some analysis I dont think vezokscum has the skills to try this kind of gambits, so Im going with town.

Back to the drawing board since this means ice is prob scum.

Vezok has a meta of early claiming. A while ago we used it to nail him as scum since he also botched his fakeclaims like nobodies business (really. You have no idea).

He thinks its nifty he's prepped his fakeclaim ahead of time. It was full of cheeky 'hehe they won't ever suspect me' goodness.

[GreyICE]

LINK PLZ

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthre ... ost6412529

Leading to this legendary post:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost ... count=1360


Also this:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2894329


Education - it's good for the brain, Taj

[GreyICE]

What question?

[GreyICE]

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player. Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

2) What the fuck? I did not anticipate that you'd think that was a breadcrumb because I don't speak

moron.

Period.

3) Because. You're. Really. Stupid.

I'm seriously tired of this shit. Go fuck off and die somewhere.

[GreyICE]

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player. Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

Not a fan of this at all. CKD tunneled on Hez. ON SCUM. How is that scummy? I really don't like GI trying to say CKD is scummy for tunneling on HezSCUM. It's like he's angry that CKD caught Hez.

unvote; vote GreyICE

...

And now you want me to fucking read minds and figure out whose going to flip what way without even doing anything. Let me get this fucking straight.

1) Scum night kill reveals we're off on day 1 wagons.
2) I relook over the thread, and the HezLucky/CKD interaction is scum as shit, leading me to believe one or both of them is scum. CKD is tunneling like a 'tard, Hez is saying nothing repeatedly. I kick the bee's nest. A fucking SCUM LYNCH comes out of it.
3) Apparently I was supposed to mystically know that CKD was town at the start of day 2, somehow.
4) Apparently you want to ignore that I agree he's very unlikely to be scum on day 3.


This really looks like scum looking for an excuse to jump on a wagon. So, in light of the fact you either misunderstood, or misrepresented what I said, do you plan to unvote?

Because every time I find people voting for me when I'm town, I find scum all over my fucking wagons.

[GreyICE]

What questions in #3 haven't I answered?

Could I really not see that you would think I was breadcrumbing a PR result based on a common phrase?

YES! Emphatically yes! I had no idea that you'd read it that way, and your insistence that it's scummy because you thought I was maybe fake breadcrumbing is so painfully stupid it boggles the mind.

In fact I've REPEATEDLY answered this question. That you don't like the answer does not mean I didn't answer it! I mean seriously, I've had a game where players were joking about black magic in the beginning, and someone joked about white magic, and it was like 'hmmm, doctor breadcrumb?' but he wasn't a doctor, and me repeatedly insisting that he was fake breadcrumbing doctor based on that would have made me INSANE. See ANY parallels?

What about your suspicion is stupid?

Well, first of all the way you've gone about presenting it is insane. I might not present my reasoning, but not a single person in the town is paying attention to your reasoning. The scum who are leaning towards paying attention to this are making up their own reasons because sheeping yours is ridiculous. If we pare it down, your reasoning is:

- I was breadcrumbing a PR result
- It was part of the scum plan to fake PR results on you, and we hadn't decided in the QT who would fake the results so we tripped over each other
- I voted for you
- I didn't present reasons for your convenience
- I voted for HezLucky at the wrong time, apparently

So if we cut the breadcrumbing, then we have:

1) I didn't provide reasons
- And I already said that I wasn't certain you were scum, but the argument between you and Hezlucky wasn't getting ANY attention, and it did NOT feel town on town, and both of you were quite scummy. I wanted to see what the reactions were before I pushed a lynch. And they were fucking hax.

2) I voted for HezLucky late
- And there were, lemme see, no posts between the claim and my vote change. It's like I changed votes as soon as I saw it. If you can't figure out I've been ragging fate for being a stupid derp for days 1 and 2 because he was being a stupid derp, well, uh... literacy is hax?

3) I voted for you
And we're left with this. Making this the most convoluted, angry case of OMGUS I've ever seen.


Now there. I have again thoroughly answered all your questions, which are AGAIN are horrible.

Now here's an idea. Stop being a miner, get out of your tunnel, look around.

[GreyICE]

Hey GreyIce,

1) What smelled off about you? Your contributions to the game were an enormous pig fart. You tunneled on one player and didn't even comment on ANYTHING else happening. Every post was just more whining about that one player.

Apparently you have turned that into a playstyle. Good job. It's scummy

, it's useless, and it accomplishes nothing.

You said that CKD's playstyle is to whine about one player repeatedly. And that it's scummy.

Well, it lynched Hez, who was scum, so how's that scummy?

You can pretend you didn't know Hez was scum at the time, but that's not the point. YOU'RE SAYING IT NOW. YOU'RE CALLIMG HIS PLAYSTYLE SCUMMY... NOW.

Even if you're town, CKD would still be batting 50%, so how can you say that his playstyle sucks and IT'S SCUMMY???

What the fuck? Why am I being tag teamed by Bevis and Butthead?

1.) What “smelled” off about me yesterday that you voted me out of the Gate day 2? You have been asked this numerous times by several people, but wont commit to anything, do it NOW

That was specifically the question, Elvis. That SPECIFICALLY was what he asked me. It was obvious I was responding to it, you just QUOTED THE 1) IN MY POST.

And yet you want to make it out like it's a commentary on his day 3 play.

What about it was scummy AT THE START OF DAY 2?

EVERYTHING about the Hez/CKD interaction was scummy. That entire argument smelled to high heaven on reread, and it was getting pointedly ignored.

1) Scum night kill reveals we're off on day 1 wagons.

What does the NK have to do with anything?

Please don't tell me you're one of those people who think that night kills tell you nothing.

2) I relook over the thread, and the HezLucky/CKD interaction is scum as shit, leading me to believe one or both of them is scum. CKD is tunneling like a 'tard, Hez is saying nothing repeatedly. I kick the bee's nest. A fucking SCUM LYNCH comes out of it.

That's not what happened though. You went after CKD and when the wagon died and you were the only one hanging around on CKD were forced to vote Hez. You get zero credit for being on Hez.

Okay, call it what you like.

3) Apparently I was supposed to mystically know that CKD was town at the start of day 2, somehow.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying you're throwing mud at him now.

4) Apparently you want to ignore that I agree he's very unlikely to be scum on day 3.

Well, you said his playstyle is SCUMMY just now.

[/quote]

...

ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, CAN YOU READ IT?

[GreyICE]

On the recent GI developments. I think CKD is asking the wrong questions and it's affording GI some leeway in defending himself.

Some questions I want GI to answer:

1) Why do you think the Elli NK was because town's reads were off? The first thing I thought when I saw Elli dead was that scum thought she was the day vig.
2) Do you think CKD is scum? You seemed to share my sentiments a few pages back that a gimped SK was unlikely, and you've called CKD town a few times. Is he scummy town?
3) Do you think elvis is scum? Just asking because of #1152.
4) Wanna tell me why I'm wrong in #1046? Preferably with a bit more than something like "I'm town" or "it's stupid".

Also would like to hear your answer to elvis's #1161 above. Like, it's fair enough if you're saying that this CKD-Hez thing didn't look like town on town, but why CKD over anyone else in the game? And, more importantly, why didn't you explain this yesterday? Like, you know... when you were voting for CKD?

1) Because Elli was obvtown who was going to be difficult to lynch. He had no real strong reads, and wasn't effectively pushing anyone. That means that scum had some breathing room to shoot at obvtown who might be PRs, or just obvtown doing very little.

2) No. Obv. Said it, oh, like 5 times today. Stupidity is a null tell.

3) Probably not.

4) Because my reads have evolved. No longer feel too strongly about sparky scum. EPM, Llamarble, and Vezok all need death. DK also needs death hardcore, far more than any of those three, but that's new.

Also you want me to tell you that your post isn't stupid, but it includes the phrase "I'm certain this matches his scum meta, but I've never looked up a single game he was scum in." So... yeah.

Elvis' 1116 isn't at all interesting, and it's kind of humiliating that you think it is. Here's the answers, in brief:

1) I voted for pressure. What the fuck is the use of a pressure wagon if you say it's for pressure. Something in that mess needed to die, and CKD was scummier than hez.

2) Hez didn't act in the least like a cop with a guilty.

...Will complete my reread and see if anything changes, though.

That's what he posted. What sort of fucking Cop gets a scum result and goes "will complete my reread and see if I get a second power role result that confirms someone scum?"

That's called claiming scum. Anyone not voting Hez at that point was a moron. Of course apparently this is 'overly wordy mafia' where you have to explain that water is wet before you say that you needed to dry off after a shower.

[GreyICE]

@GI,

Re: 1) So why would this implicate CKD?

Re: 2) But you think CKD is scummy, right? Or at least that he's playing like scum?

Re: 3) Why did you suggest she looks like scum jumping on your wagon?

Re: 4) Firstly, I don't see how your evolving reads reflect the fact that you didn't push any of your scum reads D1 (or D2 for that matter). My issue isn't with what your reads are, but with you not trying to push or pressure them like I'm used to seeing you do as town. And I never said Ithink your play matches your scum meta. But from what I've seen of your town meta, this game has been vastly different. At least today you've reverted to the somewhat aggressive style I'm more used to seeing.

1) ...

It implied we were missing something. The CKD/Hez situation was a total mess that was getting overlooked.

2) Yes. Hez was playing scummy too. Of the two, CKD read scummier than Hez on a read over. Apparently I was wrong, but I wasn't wrong that the situation was not TvT

3) ...Gave my reasons in that post. Read it.

4) See my signature on your brilliant use of meta, again. I mean honestly, you're telling me you think I'm more likely to flip scum than DK, Vezok, Llamarble, based on a game we played together in the past? Get real. I'm town. Meta is how you lynch town.

[GreyICE]

No, Elvis_Knits, pretty sure I said that it was someone the town wasn't really suspecting. Not that CKD is 'not suspicious.'

'cause you know what? You have, at no point, defended your concept that CKD wasn't scummy day 1.

And I'm not sure why you want me to do a song and a dance number as scum is getting lynched to make myself look town.

P.S. Fate was trolling me as hard as I was trolling him.

[GreyICE]

No, Elvis_Knits, pretty sure I said that it was someone the town wasn't really suspecting. Not that CKD is 'not suspicious.'

And why were we not suspecting him? BEcause he wasn't suspicious. If you thought he was, why didn't you say so and why?

You never said why you thought CKD was suspicious, you never said why you thought Hez was suspicious.

Your tautological logic is painful, Elvis. You get no fucking brownie points, and have a scum read.

Why wasn't CKD scummy? 'because you weren't suspecting him?' Big news, day 1 you were busy suspecting the fuck out of Silavor, and you never mentioned Hez. Hez wasn't suspicious either?

Also, I've said why I found both suspicious already. So that makes, by my count, two misrepresentations, one piece of logic so shitty you could fry Spock's brain, and a total refusal to admit your last complain was entirely based on an INABILITY TO READ.

Vote: Elvis_Knits

Town doesn't post tautological bullcrap like this:

And why were we not suspecting him? BEcause he wasn't suspicious.

That's scum making shit up to justify something they never bothered to read.

[GreyICE]

I may not be the most articulate at times, but I think my basic point should make sense.

I see no good explanation for why your votes were so crappy D2.

I see no response about Fate. Did you think he was scum or not?

Oh but I do see you voted me. That's nice.

Wait, the person who threw a shit fit over my

GRAMMAR

wants me to understand that her tautological argument isn't tautological because you're bad at

SOUNDING TOWN?

Give me a fucking break.

[GreyICE]

Is GreyICE town or just good at convincing?

Either way, a lynch for GreyICE will soon be inevitable as more people hop on the wagon.

Yeah right. Scum's running out of members to jump on the wagon, y'know. And every time I get a wagon, it's dripping with scum.

[GreyICE]

Llamarble needs death? No I don't.
VOTE: GreyICE

Talk about Amrun and Earworm and Lowell please.
Maybe you can convince me to lynch one of them instead of you.

Can you tell me what you think of those people and why I need to die?

Well maybe if I stop playing question and fucking answer with nitwits, I'd have some fucking time, neh?

As for where you derped up, ISO #15 is a charmer. Especially the post hammer backpeddling.

Your commentary on Hez/CKD was charming as well. All... uh... um... uh...

Yikes. It's like still a week before I was expecting D1 to end.
And apparently I was one of the 2 main wagons today?
I hope we didn't do the cop claims guilty -> lynch cop thing without a good reason.
It sounds to me like we have a claimed guilty on a claimed Hyena who scavenges people, which doesn't really sound pro-town to me.
I can kind of picture "whittles away at the pride's stragglers to make the group stronger" as a town role but it's definitely iffy.
Calcifer you seem to be confused. Hez is the claimed cop. Oh well, I guess we'll see the flip soon.

That's garbage. Like, total garbage. I've been in more games with you where a cop claimed, and they were ALL GODDAMN SCUMBAGS. Add in the marvelous lack of day 1 results, Hez not properly claiming, him saying he might vote for someone else as a supposed COP WITH A GUILTY and that post should be an excuse to take you out back and have you shot as is. It just says 'well maybe if I pretend to not know how the flip turns out I'll get some towncred.'

Elvis' blatant hypocrisy of not even QUESTIONING you when your vote for Amrun looks like this is terribad:

Snarky's vote is entirely uncorrelated with his town/scumlists, which were what I thought was good about him. He can die.

Also Amrun is totally his busbuddy. Amrun is like very scum needs to die.
VOTE: Amrun
If I wasn't already.

Oh yeah, you FOSED SNARKY AND WANT TO LYNCH AMRUN FOR BEING HIS BUDDY WITHOUT A FLIP

You know better than to vote for someone on the basis of them being an UNFLIPPED PLAYER'S SCUMBUDDY.

You're scummy, Elvis is scummy, and the connections between the two of you are amazing icing on an amazing cake.

[GreyICE]

That isn't why I want to lynch Amrun. I don't even think Snarky's scum anymore. He's just messy.
I don't think I believe you.
Do you really look at Amrun's ISO and not think scumscumscum?
Earworm's?

No, Amrun seems pretty damn town to me. Commented on Hez/CKD, pushed it onto Hez, played well day 1, and her ISO has about 15 times the content of yours. At least.

Earworm's is worse, but the main thing that sticks out is me, Amrun, and Earworm all seem to have scumreads on you. Us being your 3 major scumreads is just sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.

And if that's not why you want to lynch Amrun, maybe you could explain why? That's what your vote post said, and you haven't said anything since them.

Your buddy Elvis' push on me for 'not having reasons' while ignoring you for not having ANYTHING is just amusing me.

[GreyICE]

You're flailing dude.

I wagoned llamarble yesterday. I think he was the only person I ever voted yesterday. Now he's my scum buddy? Get a clue.

Also, he was the alternate wagon to Hez, so the odds of him being scum went down a lot.

WHY are all your scum suspects very likely town? (I'm thinking of Vezok, llamarble, EPM).

And why are you ignoring the very good reasons they are likely town?

That's what you're reduced to, Elvis?

That's it?

Twice you've misrepresented me. Twice. You said NOTHING about it. Just changed the subject. Your logic on 'CKD was obvtown' is so bad that you are running away from that full speed. And you're left with 'You're flailing.'

No, I'm not really flailing. Your arguments are nonsensical scum constructs, and I've shown them to be such. You are scum. And you will be lynched.

LOL@ the idea of those people being obvtown.

[GreyICE]

Elvis could be bussing. I need to read her harder to see if she's goodscum or just plain town.

Holy fuck.

You're so scum. This is time #2 you've decided to go look for scumtells based on FLIPS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET.

I KNOW FOR A FACT YOUR MIND DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

SHE CANNOT BE "BUSSING" BECAUSE I'M TOWN.

BUT IT'S A NICE PIECE OF DISTANCING THERE. REALLY GOOD.

"WELL GUESS ELVIS IS BUSSING, TROLOLOL, OH HE'S TOWN, WELL SHE'S FUCKING TOWN AGAIN."

HER LOGIC SUCKS AN ENORMOUS DONKEY DICK. DON'T SIT ON THE FENCE, IS THIS TRUE OR NOT?

[GreyICE]

Ah. This reminds me of the good ol' days when I was in my first Newbie games with GreyICE, GreyIce (the SE) and GreyICE was one of the few who force lynched me and didn't believe my town claim *hmph*. Revenge feels sweet.

Dude, I've never been in a newbie game with you.

Do bother to explain what you meant, nowish.

[GreyICE]

Congrats, you morons just lynched the town cop.

I investigated Amrun and Seacore, they're both town.

Elvis Knits is obvious scum. Look at her between Silavor and me. She threw a hissy fit day 1 and got town lynched over objections, and everyone got an instant town read on her despite her arguments being terrible. So day 3 she does the same fucking thing.

Llamarble is still scum. Sorry dude, you ain't that bad.

Vezok and DK both need to die.

Moron quotient in this thread is enormous.

[GreyICE]

Zelink is town, he's just bad.

CKD is town, not serial killer. He's like 5x stupider than I thought day 2, but he's town. Any serial killer speculation should be treated as a scumclaim from here on out.

Oh and if EvilPacman's vote got worse, he'd go "Hi I'm a scumbag, please lynch me."

[GreyICE]

Seriously, look back at this day, and figure out how scummy I actually was. No more than 1 scum was off this wagon, guarenteed.

populartajo, Seacore, Amrun, Calcifer, earworm, Altilysian

^
At most 1 scum on that list, probably pure town. If you lynch ANYONE from that list, you're even stupider than I thought, and I think most of ya need a map and two hands to find your ass.

[GreyICE]

Anyway promise me Grey dies today. That'll give us so much information.

^^^

Make sure he goes into nice long detail about the information.


Oh and grill Elvis until she burns then hang her about her fucking awful arguments about me and Silavor, and her pure silence on Hez/CKD on day 2. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

[GreyICE]

DUDE IT WAS A WALL OF STUPID QUESTIONS.

LOOK AT THE SHITTY QUESTIONS THAT CKD DID NOTHING BUT SPOUT TIME AND AGAIN, AND WHEN I IGNORED THEM HE WHINED THAT I WAS SCUMMY, AND PEOPLE AGREED.

YOUR QUESTIONS WERE TOTAL SHIT TOO. HEZ WAS OBVSCUM AFTER CLAIM.

ASK SMARTER QUESTIONS AND I MIGHT CARE. IT WAS JUST A WALL OF TURDS.

FIND ONE DAMN ONE I DIDN'T ANSWER OR MADE AT LEAST ONE JOT OF SENSE.


populartajo, Seacore, Amrun, Calcifer, earworm, Altilysian

Those people decide who gets lynched tomorrow.

[GreyICE]

Grey: Well at least for me you completely destroyed my reads by flipping town. There was like the clan defending you that I found scum, and the clan attacking you that I found town. Now the positions are switched, puts the town back on the right track and clears a lot of people.

That's what you learned? That was what you wanted answered?

I TOLD YOU ALL THEY WERE FUCKING SCUM.

There are no answers to be learned. Your 'information' is nothing at all?

Snarky
Vezok
DK
Llamarble
Elvis

One of these is sadly town. Just kill em all, let god sort it out.

[GreyICE]

Also Cirno is probably somehow town. This saddens me.

PEDIT: I VOTED HIM AFTER HIS CLAIM YOU FUCKING MORON ZELINK

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3156622

ELVIS KNITS HAS BEEN WHINING ABOUT IT FOR AGES AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE?

NO YOU FUCKING SUCK AT THIS GAME.

[GreyICE]

I don't particularly care about EK's or CKD's questions.

The ones I wanted you to answer were why you didn't mention anything about why you thought CKD was scummy yesterday and why you thought Hez was scum. You didn't vote Hez after his claim. You weren't even around to mention him after his claim.

Also you dumb shithead, look at what he claimed. COP.

ADD TWO AND TWO NOOOOOO THATS TOO DIFFICULT

*HEADDESK*

CKD, you have firing permission from confirmed town on anyone on this list:

Snarky
Vezok
DK
Llamarble
Elvis

Anyone who criticizes you for shooting one of these morons is scum.

You may also shoot the following because I could be wrong, and their play is terribad:

Lowell
Cirno

Lowell never posts jack shit, and Cirno is probably just as bad as you, but hey, no one will miss em.

[GreyICE]

Hez claimed in #879. You voted him in #824...

OH SORRY

I SHOULD OUT MY ROLE BECAUSE THE GUY WHOSE GETTING LYNCHED IS GETTING LYNCHED, THAT'S PROTOWN.

LOLOLOLOL

NOT EVEN ARGUING WITH YOU ANYMORE, I'M CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU'RE A DUMBASS.

[GreyICE]

CKD, Cirno will flip town. Kill her anyway. She's a liability in LyLo.

[GreyICE]

Sorry, you're wrong, if you read my ISO, I explained both.

But keep backpeddling and pretending your reasoning was any good. It wasn't.

[GreyICE]

The funny shit here is Zel1nk, despite being CERTAIN I was scum doesn't even consider that I'm scum fucking with him.

He doesn't even have the confidence in his reads that he considers the possibility. And he's town anyway. He's just that used to being wrong.

[GreyICE]

Aww, thought you were done arguing with me. Still trying to justify your awful vote?

LOL.

Don't forget:

populartajo, Seacore, Amrun, Calcifer, earworm, Altilysian (plus reluctantly Lowell)

At most one scum, probably all town.

Seacore, Amrun - confirmed town.

Llamarble, Elvis - confirmed scum

[GreyICE]

Neither is anything I've said. So follow the townies tomorrow, and they might teach you something.

[GreyICE]

Cause I'm a fucking genius.

[GreyICE]

The fact that my brain is a thousand times better than the average humans.

Really, they did an MRI. There's like three times the neurons in it as the average brain. I'm just that good.

[GreyICE]

I vote vezo for MVP. at least towards the end.

...

No

I mean you realize Atil was the first wagon on scum he was actually for. Other than that he dodged scum wagons like a pro, while getting every town wagon.

[GreyICE]

Alti played very well.

Tajo played well until ckd's gambit.

Hez played well and perfectly served his function of going down in flames and handing us the sk on a platter.

SOMEHOW, he convinced the town he was a vig and we were forced to kill him. Wtf about that. SERIOUSLY. Town did some dumb shit this game.

My play was pretty hampered by the meatworld this game. Apologies to all.

Wait you think we cared if he was the SK or not?

Once he claimed he became a tool of the town, and thus anti-scum. I believe it was said several times - who the fuck cares, we need the gunshots.

And indeed, the scum team did have to kill him.