If you track me, I will track to all night kills. If you watch a night kill, I will be seen visiting them.
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Candle Jack wrote:Amrun wrote:VOTE: Starbuck
Let's hope there are no cults in this game.
And just exactly WHY are you bringing up cults D1?
Vote: Amrun
That's NOT a random vote.
- Tar
I assume a certain experience we both just suffered, and that Starbuck was included in. I'd launch into details, but it's not a mafia game that did not occur and that I certainly was never a part of.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Kast wrote:
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Please clarify if your claim is serious.
-If so, does your power ALSO prevent a watcher from seeing the ACTUAL culprit? (This should be a no-brainer to share if you're seriously claiming)
-Would your ability false track to protected and/or kill immune targets (ie. failed kill attempts)?
NO I MADE IT UP DAY 1 AS A TALKING POINT. HOW QUICK OF YOU TO REALIZE THAT IT WAS A FAKECLAIM. VERY DEEP INSIGHT.
EVERYTHING ELSE SUPER OBVIOUS. NO NO OBV
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Come on, wagon scum to lynch by page 4.
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I'll link if anyone cares, but think of the worst game of mafia that never happened and this was worse than all the other games of mafia that never happened (including the fact that it was won by a serial killer who DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS A SERIAL KILLER until the game didn't end when the last scum was lynched)ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Also I have no grudges against Starbuck at all whatsoever as a result of that game. Bastard game was bastard.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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OH FOR GODS SAKE THAT WAS ALL A DREAM. I SAW IT IN AN ANIME AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. IT WAS ALL A VERY BAD DREAM AND IT NEVER OCCURRED IN REALITY SO DON'T BRING ANY OF THAT DREAMWORLD SHIT INTO HERE.
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I believe lynching you will remove one player who doesn't share my win condition, Kast. So screw your stupid meta. 'cause if you think about it:
1) I wanted the governor ability dead and buried because I thought it would fuck the town. In the end, it was a totally pro-town power that worked really well, neh?
2) I wanted DGB, Mikujin, MoI and Xvart lynched. Two of those were scum, and DGB was playing like shit.
Oh no yeah, my play was terrible, I'm glad you hated it so much.
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StevieT92 wrote:GreyICE wrote:Come on, wagon scum to lynch by page 4.
Do it. DO IT
Town gains nothing by rushing for a quick lynch. Also you really haven't offered any significant criticisms of Kast, besides your sarcastic responses and posting about how much you want him lynched.
Town gains a lot from scum knowing that we don't have to sit around dragging our feet all day because it's really town to foot drag on lynching scum.
I love fast wagons, I love scum wagons, I love the uncertainty. Two of my favorite wagons both occurred in under six hours on day 1.
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Also, how many games have you played before Stevie? Legit question, because I'm curious as to you knowing what you do to people who are tracked or watched targeting a night kill. Watched really makes it a 'throw in the towel' on me trying to just play super town and get night killed fast as I can be town enough not to get copped/tracked but I can't dodge a watcher.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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FOS scum, vote town, really?
Aren't you like better than that?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Those questions are stupid. I specifically track/watch on night kills. If someone isn't KILLED at night, why would I watch/track to them?
As for roleblocking all watchers by inserting my name, NO. Why the FUCK wouldn't I mention that if I did THAT?!? I fucking just show up on the list of people. If it's me+1, then +1 is scum. If it's just me, lynch me and you'll have a confirmed Mafia Ninja and/or confirmed scum fakeclaiming.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Antifinity wrote:StevieT92 wrote:
What is a RNG? never heard that term before or maybe i am rusty.
RNG. I used a random number generator for my first vote because I was in a hurry.
I'm convinced this cult-wagon-thing is nuts, and everyone involved is crazy.
The miller thing is more serious, and for flavor reasons, I'm inclined to believe it.
I'm going to put my less random vote on Candle Jack, for caring far too muchvote: Candle Jack
Candle Jack is my mason buddy. I get mad when you vote for my mason buddies. Who would you say is floating on the sidelines and needs serious pressure?
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Nocmen wrote:Masons now too? Why the hell would you out that fact for no good reason?
Unvote, Vote: GreyICE
Ooh, interesting. The plot thickens.
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Wow no one gets my sense of humor, do they.
Tar is way town and the vote was crap. What the fuck is the point of a miller mason anyway
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Kast wrote:
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Posts like this make it seem like you really don't care to play this game any more than to insult and belittle people who disagree with your current set of beliefs. You haven't posted anything significant or relevant aside from making a claim. Change that please.
@Kast: No, that was actually a suggestion that Pomegranate was doing the classic 'fos scum, vote town.'
AKA she's scum.
I'm pretty sure I'm playing the game fairly well, Nocmen more or less claimed scum in his last post if you pay attention to it, and Tar confirmed himself v. townie (like we didn't know this) and also a tad unstable (LAL, really? Does that like ever work?).
You sitting there and whining rather than trying to figure out what's going on doesn't feel super town. And I'm waiting for Nocmen to post. Plus you're probs scum, so well etc. My votes where it should be
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Fair enough, scumclaims come from scum.
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Amrun wrote:I thought Nocmen claimed scum according to you. Are you ever going to explain that or show conviction in your reads, Grey?
Sure, soon as there stops being MULTIPLE SCUM I'll be happy to pick one and stick to him.
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Amrun wrote:No, seriously, how did Nocmen claim scum? I think he is, so this is relevant to my interests.
The point where he went:
"Oh you're a mason, I believe this claim."
"It's stupid to claim that on day 1"
"Therefore I'll vote to lynch you."
It's like flying on autopilot, no town thought processes involved.
Stevie is pretty much the same, except with rolefishing and blatant stupidity thrown in. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but no, he laughed and said he knows what he's doing and rolefished again, so that's just a blatant scum claim.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Nocmen wrote:Masons now too? Why the hell would you outthat factfor no good reason?
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Candle Jack wrote:Oh right, since GreyICE has indicated that his mason claim with me was a joke (a supremely anti-town joke, I should note - DON'T do it again) and the rest of his play indicates he's town, I need to unvote him now.
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Candle Jack wrote:GreyICE wrote:Candle Jack wrote:Oh right, since GreyICE has indicated that his mason claim with me was a joke (a supremely anti-town joke, I should note - DON'T do it again) and the rest of his play indicates he's town, I need to unvote him now.
Will not be taking this advice. Why was it anti-town to suggest that someone needs to put his vote somewhere useful?
It's not what you were trying to do, but how you did it. Savvy?
Not really. You're town I trust day 1 to the level that you might as well be a mason with me, I shan't be voting for you nor vocalizing such today. So it's like 50/50 joke/observation.
Stevie is a lot more scum than LC.
StevieT92 wrote:Bringing up cults is most definitely a scum tell, it is an attempt to derail the D1 discussion. And, even though it was "justified" as a mention of another game, that still was a (fairly successful) attempt to keep us talking about unimportant things. For that reason, I willVote: Amrun. Also, pretty much all of Amrun's posts have been defending himself about this issue, besides one post where he calls the Kast wagon bad - again this is a large post count that really isn't contributing anything pro-town.
I'm not getting a really scummy read of Kast, but I don't think the wagon is completely unfounded, however I wouldn't like it to see it get out of hand.
FoS: GreyIcefor not answering legitimate questions. If you do not get on that it will turn into a vote. I have some questions for you myself:
Why did you choose to claim D1 being completely unprompted? Not that this is necessarily a scum tell I simply don't get your motivation.
Why did you claim your role power without claiming what character you were?
StevieT92 wrote:Town gains nothing by rushing for a quick lynch. Also you really haven't offered any significant criticisms of Kast, besides your sarcastic responses and posting about how much you want him lynched.
StevieT92 wrote:unvote, vote: GreyIce
Multiple posts, still hasn't answered the many legitimate and direct questions. Instead he did a pointless fake sarcastic claim which serves no purpose. Answer the questions, defend yourself against the points against you. Ignoring them is a sure route to getting lynched. You are doing a good job of scumhunting, and made a good point about Pomegrant's fos and vote. However, ignoring everyone who is criticizing you is very scummy.
As for Amrun, what he did is a scumtell. I'm quite sick of this debate but I believe its a scum tell, and worth a vote at that stage of the game. Not everyone in this game agrees with this, and frankly its been debated to death so I'm going to try and move past it. His recent posts have been good.
This is called the difference between 'looking for scum' and 'looking for things you can call scummy.' This is 100% the latter, and he's already claimed he knows what he's doing and is not a noob with a list of wiki shit.
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Maybe you can live a little, cast a vote, something wild and wacky like that.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Every read is neutral or scummy.
I'm not going to open a single one of those spoiler tags, and I'll be saner for it.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Ooh, LLD is town. This is making my day better and better.
My Stevie vote isn't changing because of a soft-claimed PR.
Need to read more, but we'll role.
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Starbuck wrote:So I've taken a look at the activity overview and Amrun is way out in the lead with 53 posts so far and the next one down is Nocmen with 32. I'm going to iso Amrun and re-read her because why (if town) would you need 53 posts to say what you need to say? Unless Amrun is really ZazieR and then that's the end of that.
Your theory is that Amrun is scummy for posting... too much?
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Of course if we want some more guaranteed scum, Malthusis is soooooooooo bad.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Grey, remember what I found between Vi and Seraphim in Bebop?
Drew and Ace.
Hmm. That was scum vs. 'third party scum' where Vi was playing like scum while Seraphim was just playing like 'not-town.' Having been in another game where I've been on the 'he's not town' side of the 'acting like scum/acting like not-town' debate, I have a good perspective on both.
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:GhostWriter wrote:How could someone counterclaim the nameclaim Rei? Now, I admit, I never really watched the anime.However, I once played a dating sim based on it, and I'm pretty sure she's a main character, right?
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@LLD: Okay, I take back any neutral I had on Drew, ISO #6 and #11 were terrible, and his votes are all weaksauce.
Ace is terrible because of the idea that he was somehow on the Kast wagon while his vote was sitting on SpyreX, and a general lack of care on what he's doing overall. That being said, his scum reads are Kast, Nocmen, Amrun, and Stevie, which are so frighteningly close to what I'm thinking that it's just plain eerie. So he's getting my town badge (or at least my 'not gonna lynch badge') for today.
Man all my town reads have the same scumreads I have, either we're doing something VERY right or VERY wrong. But if Nocmen, Kast, Antifinity, Amrun, Stevie, and Drew live to endgame I'll be sad.
In honor of our lord god SpyreX who got this AMAZING feature implemented, here's the people under 10 posts who are theoretically still playing the game, did not replace in or out, and were not posting out of hydra:
Kawaii 2011-06-26 16:18:23 0 days 21 hours 2
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Celebloki 2011-06-27 13:25:01 0 days 0 hours 4
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:@SpyreX, GI, Candle Jack, Tajo
Town voting block tiem?
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Okay, I hate to piss on everyone's party, because I love this alliance, but I'm smelling town off LC. Not to toot my own horn, but I've seen scum LC before, called him midway through day 1 in SHR and this just ain't it.
My number one problem with LC was that his vote was sitting orphened on Malthusis (who had given me no reason to think he was town so it wasn't a terribad vote) until Mathusis started to build noise then he moved it over to Amrun. However, if we assume Malthusis is town, there's no scum motivation behind that move, and suddenly LC gets a whole lot less scummy for me. Besides which I think the reasoning in ISO #4,5, and 16 feels somewhat town.
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Nocmen wrote:GreyICE wrote:Okay, I hate to piss on everyone's party, because I love this alliance, but I'm smelling town off LC. Not to toot my own horn, but I've seen scum LC before, called him midway through day 1 in SHR and this just ain't it.
My number one problem with LC was that his vote was sitting orphened on Malthusis (who had given me no reason to think he was town so it wasn't a terribad vote) until Mathusis started to build noise then he moved it over to Amrun. However, if we assume Malthusis is town, there's no scum motivation behind that move, and suddenly LC gets a whole lot less scummy for me. Besides which I think the reasoning in ISO #4,5, and 16 feels somewhat town.
I'd rather see a wagon on Amrun, or failing that do another reread with new info.
And why do you think Malth is town?
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StevieT92 wrote:Let's hear you claim, Lobster.
Why aren't we lynching obvscum here. WHY?
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So uh... Stevie doesn't claim and then he insists other people claim. Take two.
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vollkan wrote:*confused*
Your argument is that one action by LC isn't a scumtell if malthusis is town. All that means is that the action might be a relational scumtell if malthusis is scum. It doesn't constitute a scumtell on its own in respect of malthusis.
Ayiyi Malthisus was scummy until Nocmen made that one post then Nocmen made that other post that ate the first post and then well so etc. CJ saw it too.
I still want Steeevie DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD
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Seriously, fuck this noise.
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vollkan wrote:UNVOTE(I unvoted in a previous post, but it seems to have been missed)
GreyICE wrote:
Ayiyi Malthisus was scummy until Nocmen made that one post then Nocmen made that other post that ate the first post and then well so etc. CJ saw it too.
So your argument is:
1) Malthusis is scummy in his own right; and
2) A further reason for lynching malthusis is it will shed light on LC's alignment?
Noooooooo, Malthusis is scummy enough to lynch on his own merits. If he flips scum, I will strongly reconsider my current stance on LC, which is that he's leaning town.
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Surye wrote:
Pomegranate -GI vote is meh,kast is not making sense at this point. Calling out Stevie on the Kast point is good, and voting Stevie is pretty good. Confused on vollkan post at 479. Sheeping LC wagon, noted.
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Yeah, there's a definite level of inconsistency involved with playing the game. It's not always a scumtell - reads evolve, people change their mind, even over the course of a single post. But those two in close conjunction are actually disgustingly painful.
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*sigh*
Today is listening to Tar and LLD day.
Vote: Malthusis
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There is no inconsistancy in the bold. I said those were in iso format. I thought a vote for you was meh based on the context and time of his vote, and now I like my vote. Tell me how you didnt understand that.
So you think I'm scum based off everything I've done, including pages 1-5, but you think Pom's vote for me on page 4 sucks and is a scum tell and you see no inconstancy...
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Surye wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Keep trying to discredit us Surye.
You're acting like caught scum~
I'm just not as good as you guys, especially GI, who hits total and absolute scum everytime, and doesn't even need to post reasons. He are gooood.
Yeah, remember IPod mafia?
"Why friend NoPoint, your case on GreyICE is quite excellent, and friend Glass you should be voting GreyICE too."
I'll trust Tar today I guess. This is a fairly useless Surye though. "Everyone posting and taking positions is scum! Everyone lurking and doing nothing is town! Malthusis could be an excellent lynch I guess lots of null get over it."
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Amrun, why did you draw a scum role PM? I like you so much better when you're town.
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Also like:
"Man, that miller claim from GreyICE on page 1 is horrible. He's going to fuck up the game and we should totally lynch him."
"Man Pom's scummy for voting ICE on page 4, it's not a very good vote."
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Meh, PYP GI wasn't the be all and end all.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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@SpyreX: what do you think of Amrun and an Amrun wagon?
Same question to Vollkan.
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I'm aware I'm probably bruising egos. I'm assuming most players are good enough to separate a bruised ego from a voting decision (if they aren't then all the more reason for calling that out). I appreciate the concern, but I only seeing it endKast wrote:I seriously think you are town stoking the flames that will end only a single way if you keep at it.badlyfor me if I hit a nerve on hiding-scum and they decide to NK me for it. And that's not actually that bad.[/quote]
Kast. Stop. Now.
You continually throughout this entire game have taken the stance that anyone who vocally disagrees with you and criticizes your reads or play is suffering from a 'bruised ego' / 'is a bad player' / 'is arrogant' / 'doesn't like being taken down a peg.' This is from our first disagreement on page 1.
As of this post, I am no longer considering this a town tell or a null tell. Every post after this it is a scum tell, and I can and WILL go to the wall to see you dead for it. If you don't like that, fuck you.
If you think the town block contains scum, say who it is and why you suspect them, and who you think is town. If you think that our reads are so bad that our bloc is no better than throwing darts at a dartboard blindfolded, explain why. If you think that we're off, then say why we're off.
Do not sit here scumplaining that everyone who doesn't like you is suffering from a 'bruised ego.' It IS scummy as shit. It IS using pure Appeal to Emotion. You are NOT YamiChan. You are NOT Yosarian. Stop pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is a bully suffering from a bruised ego, and start responding to what we are saying.
Line in the sand Kast. We will not be discussing it after this, we will not be discussing it in response to this. You will simply stop doing it now, and start responding in a consistent, logical manner with no AtE about egos and how people don't like you because you're right etc. etc.
I will consider this a scumtell from this point forward. I will push you to the wall over it. I will rip you until you bleed. I will not let up. And you will go down. And if you're town, this will NOT help the town any. If you're scum, then try faking more logical arguments, because every appeal to emotion is rejected.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Okay, Kast, warned was warned.
Vote: Kast
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SpyreX wrote:Its still a really bad call but I'm not going to RAGE against it.
Yeah, see Hoopla's posts in PYP? Long, intricate, and quite free of real content of any sort.
Kast posts? Long, intricate, and the only content is saying how everyone who votes for him is either a VI or doesn't like his playstyle.
Any idiot can spout a LOT of information, and this is just information mixed with really bad AtE.
Why is he town? He directly and blatantly laughs at the idea of providing clear logical content, and throws it straight back in my face. He wants to play like this for the entire game. Shit, no. He won't be playing on day 2.
(And the vote won't move no matter what the answer. Ultimatums are ultimatums)
Iecerint wrote:I could switch to Kast at deadline. I think he and Ace are both scum.
Switch now. If they're both scum, there's little practical preference to pushing one over another. Kast is deliberately CLAIMING that he'll be useless to the town. This ain't town behavior. Just kill him.
Kast does nothing useful except kick shit at players. He's had no good reads. His response to every vote on him is to try and discredit the person voting for him:
Nocmen Votes for Kast:
Kast wrote:@Nocmen-
There's a difference between stating what you think and asking people if it's ok to think what you think. The "town must vote immediately" mindset is ridiculous and needs to be killed. I think I've been spoiled by playing mostly games with competent playerbases where this stuff doesn't need to be explained.
It's all theory, Nocmen's mindset is ridiculous, clear implication that Nocmen is incompetent.
Ace criticizes Kast:
Kast wrote:@Ace-
If you're going to bother quoting context, you should take the extra time to read the context.
I felt the need because people like you (and I suspect Candlejack as well) are going to be dense and fallaciously claim that thinking someone is joking is equivalent to thinking the person is seriously fake claiming.If you believed the statement in bold why did you feel the need to do the italic statement.
The bold statement is false. As you quoted, I explicitly asked whether GreyIce wasAlso the bold statement is a lie:SERIOUSor not. If he was not being serious, then his claim was clearly opening game joking (ie. it is meaningless). If he was being serious, then there exists possibilities of telling the truth or fake claiming. Nowhere have I ever suggested or implied the latter; rather I have explicitly indicated the former is more likely due to the demonstrable nature of his claim.
Sounds like a personal problemAnd I can't find where you explicitly contrasted anything.(You just quoted it, so I'm not buying it if you pretend you did not see/understand it)
Ace is dense, Ace isn't reading, Ace is pretending not to see/understand something.
Surye votes Kast:
Kast wrote:@Surye-
Welcome to the game. Do you have anything more to add and/or thoughts about anything else?
Also, excusing yourself from your position by claiming to not read old grudges allows you to mischaracterize my position. I was one of the few players who defended GreyIce and was willing to engage in discussion with him despite his behavior. He was just as unhelpful and intentionally hostile in that game as this one, but I got a strong VI-town read from it. If you're going to bother using the linked game as an excuse, get it right.
Surye is excusing his votes, implies that Surye didn't do a thorough read/is just sheeping a wagon, Surye is excusing himself from the wagon.
Repeatedly criticizes Surye for flaking and suggests he will flake out throughout the thread. Surye currently (despite being a replacement) boastsTWENTY-ONEposts in this thread, putting him ahead of:
DrewoftheRushes
Zel1nk
GhostWriter
malthusis
Antifinity
Kawaii
Celeblowski
Many of these players have single-digit post counts. Yet during the course of this thread, Kast has not harped on anyone for lurking/flaking as much as Surye, andSurye replaced in.
Tajo expresses suspicion of Kast:
Kast wrote:@Tajo-
Your pattern is kinda old. Each game we play you start by saying you hate me for my wallotexts. Then you proceed to wall it up yourself and admit I'm town when you finally read my posts.
LLD doesn't like Kast:
Of the players in the bloc, I'm liking LLD the least; she pretty much just called all the other members townies based on...playing with them before?; sheeped/buddied/whatever you want to call it the reads of her proclaimed townies, then took some WTF?! potshots at her "approved" scum list.
I specifically named LLD because she is blatantly exemplifying all the negative aspects of any self-declared townie-voting-bloc and is one of the ardent attack dogs of anyone who even hints at disagreement. I'm specifically addressing LLD more in depth than others because she posted a blatantly untrue and clearly unthought through WTF?!?! dismissal of my catch up post. Then instead of being honest and admitting her mistake, she tried pushing BS misrepresentations and anti-town stalling/distractions.
This shit is all eye-rollingly terrible crap. He has constantly attempted to discredit EVERY PERSON IN THE THREAD WHO SUGGESTS HE'S SCUMMY OR SCUM.
He's doing this BLATANTLY folks. He's told me to my face he has no intention of fucking stopping. He's a blantant motherfucking scumbag who is discrediting players left and right, making no attempts to scumhunt, and is fucking just sitting there whining, scumplaining, and insulting people.
This isn't even going into the WALLS of shit he's posted about me and CandleJack.
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@Vollkan: Interesting idea. However, Nocmen supplied his actual argument against Kast:
Nocmen wrote:@Kast: There's a difference between posting fluff and posting reads. Votes don't always need to happen, but I will go after someone for not posting any reads, making it too easy for scum to get away with that. Also, you seem very against Grey's claim, and if you are...why aren't you voting him?
Why that's... substantially different than how it appears from the rebuttal, isn't it? Why it's almost like Kast is creating a made up position that he's misrepresenting onto his detractor, and then rebutting that completely fictitious position in his posts. Damn I need a less wordy name for that.
As for LLD, she specifically says this:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I don't need to explain my town reads. If I read someone as town, I just need to state "they're town". That's it.
What Kast is doing is implying that a lack of reasoning displayed for hertown readsalso correlates to a lack of reasoning for herscum reads. Which she correctly notes he doesn't address, except to throw more shit at her and hope it sticks.
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The Scummiest of the Scum (AKA: Need to die)
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Stevie
Lobster
Amrun
Drew
Ace
Antifinity
Kast
(Bolding added)
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@Vollkan: No.
I'm saying that Kast's presented line of argument is such:
1) LLD's town reads do not have well presented reasons.
2) Her scum reads match the scum reads of many of her town reads.
3) Therefore she is not engaging in independent reasoning, and all of her reads have no valid reasoning behind them
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SpyreX wrote:I think you have a good case against Kast GI...considering nobody is voting with me against ace (who i still maintain is the most scummy person from D1) I will unvote, vote: Kast
Again, more words when I get home but aside from this being bad on its own EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING says the ace vote is a bus.
REMEMBER THIS I BEG THEE
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Candle Jack wrote:Kast is at L-2.
Hold the F up.
Unvote
No.
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vollkan wrote:
I know this sort of largesse is sort of part of your playstyle...but how on earth is this helpful?
How is it helpful to leave scum alive longer? How is it helpful to unvote them? How is it helpful to see if they get some more time to come up with a brand new claim idiot townies will believe?
It takes seconds to claim, and a lifetime to fabricate the perfect claim.
I want Kast dead. Whyever would I sanction people unvoting because they think he's dying TOO QUICKLY? There's no mass claim situation, no need to coordinate night actions, no reason to hold up a wagon on scum to see if someone has a cool new saying.
I agree short days are bad for the town. We're on page 30. Day hasn't been short.
I see town voting for a scumbag that everyone has had in the back of their minds as scummy, and hasn't really wanted to say anything because a few people have him as town, and he bites the head off anyone who criticizes him, insults and belittles them, AND GETS THE FUCK AWAY WITH IT.
It's not a playstyle disagreement. My problem is that the specific playstyle has a name - SCUM.
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