Any Band U-Pick (Town Wins)

[Groundsel]

Vote: Groundsel

You're the only person I don't know.

I could vote all of you for that reason

but yeah, you bring me onto the introduction I was hoping to make sooner.
Hey everyone, I'm Groundesl and I'm pleased to meet you all.
I've not played with any of you guys before, But I've read a few games of some of the players in this game (I remember reading one of yours DH. Donner party I think. Your scum QT was hilarious )

Anyways, I've played mafia on other boards and upon seeing signups for an Any-band Upick I couldn't help myself. So, pleasure to meet you again

now onto the game

the dayvig thing. Was that a reaction-fish? Either way Pine looks real town from it (I know Nikanor said this, but I had the same thoughts. I might hand out a weak town read to Nikanor for that too as when someone is on the same wavelength as me when I'm town, they're usually town too). I think only town would be bold enough but scum would only be anti-town enough to do it. hmm

As for song claiming; I don't see a problem with it. But if anyone objected there would be nothing wrong with that either. I play mafia mainly for funzies, so it's good fun at the end of the day. However from what I've read so I might be out of my depth being a Genesis, The Kinks and Talking heads fan (among others )

The reason for why we're massclaiming this is because if a mafier claims Celine Dion and then wants to fakeclaim doctor, they'll have to find a song by Celine Dion that fits the doctor role. It really limits the scum's fakeclaim potential.

Yeah, this is actually a good reason to claim bands. More town fruit to Nikanor

ITT Pine can smell posts.

Btw, If I end up dieing, quote this D2:

Pine, Nikanor and Regfan are all town.

Why regfan? I have some reservations.

But anyways, I've learned the hard way that people never listen to you after you're dead. sigh.

Nintendo's not scum again based on meta.

elaborate

If I knew your alignment, I'd trust you, but since I don't know if I can trust you, you have to explain why and convince me the ol' fashioned way if you want some town fruit
(note: Para says the same thing in the following post. Find find myself agreeing with para a lot, on Juls and on the Furry gambit situation. Town Fruit to Para.) However, EPM avoids answering this. What's up with that? I'll ask again for EPM to justify his meta tell

finally, Nintendo's Serpahim Omgus is awful scum flailing. I can't see how he isn't scum
VOTE: Nintendo

As for my song well I was quite annoyed becuase I wanted to play as an SK for once, so I picked

Psychokiller by Talking heads

which is a good song, but there are better, but I really wanted to play as an SK. So I picked that one. I was rather dampened when I didn't get SK, but this was the song I chose nonetheless; I see no reason to lie about it even if the title does scream SK :p

I think there's a cood case for EPM and Nintendo being buddies with pacman origninally defending Nintendo with unexplained meta (I don't like this0 then getting a vote on when it looks like his lynch is inevitable, before unvoting when the wagon loses momentum. Not very good at all

so yeah. Nikanor, Furry, Seraphim and Para all look very town to me whilst Nintendo looks rather scummy. I might re-read Juls because I can't seem to get a good read on her yet. Same for Regfan. Gaoth's read list gives me a gut town read of him too.

[Groundsel]

@EPM: what I'm not liking here is that you say

Nintendo's not scum again based on meta. .

and when asked to explain

I don't know what specifically about his meta is different, I just know that when we were buddies he didn't seem like he does now.

if he just seems different (and you don't know how), then I'm really unsure how that points to the solid conclusion of 'He's not scum'
also you say

Alright that's enough of that.

unvote

scum everywhere on this mislynch.

but only a few posts before in your Iso we had

What the hell.

vote: Nintendo

well what changed? why did you vote him if you were certain he's not scum? Why were you certain he wasn't scum? Why is your vote doing zilch at present and why do I have no idea what your reads are other than that Nintendo isn't scum becuase of a reason even you don't know and went against?
Answer these please

Pretty Reckless - I Just Wanna Die

Ant is a jester XP

[Groundsel]

I think that's L-1. w/e when I flip town just remember who I said was scum.

noooo

you're supposed to use a town argument to defend yourself. Homebrew AtE gets you no town fruit

[Groundsel]

A wild Regfan appears

UNVOTE: , I choose you

[Groundsel]

but seriously; explain how, to use your words, 'Nintendo is as town as...'

I don't find him town at all, but I agree that a blitz hammer does us no favours

temporary (although deserved) vote: EPM

[Groundsel]

I'm tired of getting mislynched on D1. Ask some people here I've played with before.

yeah we did; EvilPacman

and didn't he vote you?

that and he used the odd reason of "meta says you're town, but I have no idea why"

[Groundsel]

I think what he meant was that we were scum in the last game, but I am acting differently now, which would make me town.

how about we let our pal EPM say what he meant?

If you're bored or have given up and are town, you can give me a full list of reads like Gaoth did and then even if you are lynched it won't be in vain, and If you do flip town, I promise to bring up your reads list again D2.
How's that sound to you?

[Groundsel]

He did say what he meant, he said exactly what I did. You just misread it I guess.

well I want him to explain how the meta shows you are town and if he thought that why did he vote you. Those are the pressing questions.

anyways, a nice list like Regfan just did will take me closer to cracking the Da Nintendo code

[Groundsel]

Gee that parama. Taking 13 pages to make 1 post. Madness [/sarcasm]

Juls..eh..juls, she's alright.

????

I showed that i wanted to vote for Juls at that post, because people were saying that i still had my RVS vote at that time, and i was pretty sure i voted Juls.

well what changed? One minute you were (or so you thought) voting Juls, and now she's 'Alright'

Also, whilst i do have some developing town read on CSL, does someone mind mentioning how #234 is a townslip? It looks just like a hypothesis to me and I've seen plenty like them from Nintendo and Ani so far

[Groundsel]

well talk about the town you see, because all I've seen is you jump from scum read to town read without explaining why

[Groundsel]

well talk about the town you see, because all I've seen is you jump from scum read to

town

Null

read without explaining why

fixed

[Groundsel]

anyways, I've got to vamoose now, so I'll be back in another 13 pages or so (Jokes)

[Groundsel]

Me and nintendo were on the same team in 00's. We are on the same team in this game as well. But the team itself is different. Groundsel, nintendo answered your question to me perfectly.

yah, but you haven't said how it's/he's different, nor why you voted him if that's the case

[Groundsel]

I never thought nintendo was scum. I put my vote on it to keep the momentum so more scum would jump on.

-____________________________-

I'm having trouble believing this.
Can you link me to a past game of yours where you used the same tactic (i.e. Voting your biggest townread who you've just been defending)

and you still don't say how the meta has near-proved in your eyes that Nintendo is town. You just say he plays differently (very vague) and people do that all the time alignment regardless
P-edit: He's more serious in this game?

If your in Texas, why does your clock say L.A., HMM?

Who do you think Nintentdo's buddies are, Pine?

Sony and Microsoft

This is serious Nintendo? I dread to read the unserious version

[Groundsel]

If you want to hear something nice though, I like your Juls vote

[Groundsel]

Scum: EPM, nintendo(not scum together...I think?)

why not?

there're nearly most certainly together

I never thought nintendo was scum. I put my vote on it to keep the momentum so more scum would jump on.

What the fuck.

No seriously. What the fuck.

If you make a poor vote, say you made a poor vote. Trying to justify with some sort of "gambit" is literally trying to absolve any sort of blame on yourself for the wagon.

To be fair, it wasn't completely a gambit, I really didn't like the post I voted him for, but it didn't change my read on him, so it was a little bit of both.

And now you're dodging the "gambit". Are you going to take credit for any of your actions? I didn't mean that vote! I diidn't mean that gambit!

I dunno about nintendo but EPM's scumminess just went through the roof.

yeah

for once my line of questioning paid off ^_^

[Groundsel]

Happy Groundsel is happy

[Groundsel]

I never thought nintendo was scum. I put my vote on it to keep the momentum so more scum would jump on.

yeah, This wagon puts all others to shame

[Groundsel]

I think Groundsel has hammered x.x
And I was hoping to get Jester I didn't get it

liessss
and you can't have been hoping for Jester as much as I was hoping For SK.

Reading my role PM was like tearing open my Christmas present before realising it was a puppy

Psychokiller wasn't an SK? Seriously?
I tell you now, If there is an SK they had better have had picked a more SK related song than Psychokiller and I don't see how that's possible >_>
'Like a roiling SK?'

[Groundsel]

I have a compusion to sing hey Jude but with Juls instead. :3

Psychokiller wasn't an SK? Seriously?
I tell you now, If there is an SK they had better have had picked a more SK related song than Psychokiller and I don't see how that's possible >_>
'Like a roiling SK?'

I believe your role is based on the OTHER songs by the band you pick, not the one you actually pick as a main performance song.

fair enough

[Groundsel]

I never thought nintendo was scum. I put my vote on it to keep the momentum so more scum would jump on.

why???

why has EPM not been lynched yet?

[Groundsel]

I never thought nintendo was scum. I put my vote on it to keep the momentum so more scum would jump on.

This is not town at all. Ever
I thought my vote was already on PM, but apparently it wasn't

VOTE: EPM

[Groundsel]

I think Juls is town mainly because of her fake daykill.

why???

The furry one was an original town invention. Could Juls not have seen that it was getting town fruit for furry and copied the idea? What's o hard to believe?

If I did a dayvig gambit now, does that make me townier? Nope. Furry's yes, but subsequent dayvigs are just trying to milk the gambit cow for townie cred too much.

But I agree recent posts look like exasperated/frustrated townie and EPM should be Lynch of the day anyways

meanwhile, I want more DH and nikanor

[Groundsel]

@trumpet: talk about your gaoth and DH reads in more detail. Why is DH so town to you on gut? and opposite for gaoth

[Groundsel]

Unvote

Consider EPM at L-1.

at L-4?

Fos: didin

also

Groundsel 404: Um, I don't think Furry was actually getting a whole lot of towncred for it. Could just be my imagination talking, though.

Furry is Regfan's top town read -_-

not so much town fruit at the time though maybe

Oh, he was replaced. And I liked trumpet's catch up post.

anything else you have to say?
take a stance on the Juls debate maybe, or talk about other stuff that happened whilst you were gone?

sigh. It's my first mafiascum game and I've already had dissapointment in not getting myself my SK role. If I don't get a scumflip today then I won't be the happiest of campers

@nintendo: so.... your reads list?

[Groundsel]

my bad, it was L-2

[Groundsel]

Alrighty, whose gonna sum up the first 20 pages for me? This is pre-Role PM so my reads will be freshhhh.

you think 20 pages is hard?
ever done 41?

but yeah, try and read yourself; It's the best way

especially if you're replacing parama who I have nothing to go off of

[Groundsel]

Alrighty, whose gonna sum up the first 20 pages for me? This is pre-Role PM so my reads will be freshhhh.

you think 20 pages is hard?
ever done 41?

but yeah, try and read yourself; It's the best way

especially if you're replacing parama who I have nothing to go off of

I once replaced into a game with 180 pages -__-
I'll try and make time haha

wow

you win...

@Furry: I'm interested in your reads.

[Groundsel]

It's getting late where I am. I need to make this quick

@Juls: why is saying I wanted an SK role a bad thing? It's true. I had to share my dissapointment Y'know

As for this Twistedspoon, I don't know why he's here, but I'm pretty sure he isn't a DH alternate account since I've read a game with both of them in (see my first post). Aside from that I have no clue. Methinks this is a distraction anyways

@mod: what L-? is Pacman on?

[Groundsel]

I don't understand you Juls, you say my posts are good, but I'm null because I wanted to be an SK? And where'd you get this "I'd be voting you were there a case on me" thing from?

Like I said, It's late. I need to be gone.

[Groundsel]

K, juls, I'm just gonna point out that I signed up with this account in the first place so it has nothing to do with if I'm scum or not

I'll explain my full story tommorow perhaps, assuming there is sufficent interest, but I warn you it's offtopic a lot

the fact of the matter is I'm an alt that's all. Meta is dull. If I'm scum you should have to catch me the old fashioned way, but Like i say, I signed up with this account so the fact I'm playing in this shell has nothing to do with my role PM

Fuck, is TS in THIS game too? Which of you crazy people are TS?

and what's wrong with TS?

[Groundsel]

OH but you are LYING about it and lying about leaving because it is "late" and you certainly know your alignment now.

HoS

TS/Groundsel

not sure 'Appeal to time' is a scumtell but I can affirm it is pretty late in the UK

anyways, we're on level ground now. I've been genuine and what I've said is what I'd have said as TS and the only difference was you couldn't meta me until now (which isn't a scumtell because like I say, I signed up with this account before I got my role PM)

any problems? nope?
You should be happy I've joined the party :3

anyways I wanted to play a large theme game but was worried of messing up in my first one; so I made a fancy new account and decided to use that. Turns out my account wouldn't activate until page 13 (although i knew my role before my first post). When it looked like I wasn't going to mess this up then I kinda felt daft in this shell. So here I am. Everything I've said in terms of the game I still think. EPM is a fine lynch etc.
If you have any crucial meta evidence then present it now or these shenanigans will have been pointless

Fuck, is TS in THIS game too? Which of you crazy people are TS?

and what's wrong with TS I repeat?

[Groundsel]

and denying I'm twistedspoon affected my Role PM how?

don't ignore me Juls. you're better than that

[Groundsel]

Juls, stop ignoring me

we're both competent players and I've done nothing wrong but deny I was TS, which is understandable considering it was my first large theme and I was nervous

How does that make me scum?
and what do you mean I'm like this in every game?
and who is zwets?

[Groundsel]

@Juls: you're ignoring that my concealment of identity has nothing to do with my alignment
you're ignoring that there are players who are far more likely to lynch scum

and what Regfan is talking about is true. I did claim my alt to you in the afterparty of Royal mafia, but I edited it out of my post because I had second thoughts and might be sick of me being in all these games with you (which is a complete coincidence). Looks like only Regfan saw it, but it's true. I had no worries claiming because like I said, I saw I wasn't doing to bad in this game and was planning to reveal myself at the end, so I edited it out of the post again and then i slipped in this thread....

[Groundsel]

Regfan = Duplicity btw

I hardly assume you're going to go after Regfan for concealing his identity now (but the other way around)

[Groundsel]

Reads time

Powerrox: Null. Definition of null. Posts fairly often but not uch in them. I like his vote but would like to see his reads
Furry: Probtown after the gambit. Haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise either
Pine: I really need to hear from this guy again.
Cmar: zilch
Trumpet: some odd reads. very odd reads indeed. But i appreciate that he did a list of reads and don't remember ani being

too

suspect. An unprovoked list of reads is always good in my book *coughnintendocough*
Nintendo: Very likely scum if I get my EPM scumflip. we'll see
EPM: I've disscussed this a lot. Very scummy and ignores arguments against him or just uses terribad logic
Nikanor: town, but I need to hear from you again
DH: It feels like you're just coasting to me. Not the fishbowl DH at all I'm seeing. null/scummy

more later?

[Groundsel]

Oooooh loving Nikanor's latest posts. It's always great to see reads based on grammar. It's more important than people think.

you should have more to say than this...

@CES: do you often find town or scum to be more frustrated at your playstyle *looks at powerox*

I'm going to continue my reads from #557

Gaoth: loved his unprovoked list of reads and Regfan's summary. town
Regfan: nice list of reads and the way he admitted Juls's recent posts looked town to him despite Juls being a former scumread looked very town indeed. Top town
CSL: I agree with a lot of what she says, but there isn't to much that she does say. null/town
Juls: unsure about her vig gambit being a towntell since furry already did one. Unsure about frustration of me. Unsure in general, but leaning town.
Ant: leaning town on gut. There isn't much to say here
Serpahim: offering to replace out seems town and he brings up some good points. I'm liking his EPM thinking too. Town
Nikanor: Town for bandclaim and being bold enough to do what on the surface looks like an RVS tell (when in actuality it isn't). I use dots all the time as town though.............
Pine: I really need more from you
CES: town. I don't like one-liners but I guess that's CES's thing. Not sure how being nervous was a scumtell for me though since I said I was nervous about applying for this game which was before I received my role PM though.
Gorilla: Gut town, but this gets inverted if EPM flips scum since Gorilla defended him in #491

did I miss anyone?

[Groundsel]

Powerox, just forget it. Your CES tunneling is getting pointless now. It's distracting you from the rest of the game and CES's posting, whilst frustrating, isn't indicative of his alignment; It's his playstyle and that can't be changed. To me it seems all you've done is tunnel on CES and you might even be a mafioso trying to get an easy target in CES because his posts are so short.
Since all I remember of you is this CES tunneling now, can you get a list of reads up for us please because I think everyone here has you has null

[Groundsel]

yeah, that night phase lasted forever

ugh, if there are 2 scumteams...

anyways

VOTE: powerox

nothing D1 justifies him staying alive. I am dissapoint

[Groundsel]

The only problem I have with powerox is that i feel it would be very hard to find a buddy for him. His interactions are few and all he's done is bother CES

Ant lynch might be useful too....

[Groundsel]

The only problem I have with powerox is that i feel it would be very hard to find a buddy for him. His interactions are few and all he's done is bother CES

Ant lynch might be useful too....

a) He's probably ignoring his scumbuddies.
b) If you said this every game, you'd never lynch scum.

Sure, He's probably ignoring his buddies. Tbh, he's ignored everyone and everything but CES nitpicking


if i said this every game I wouldn't lynch scum :/
I guess that might be true, but a small part of me thinks he could flip town. However then I remember our last game togather and townpowerox provided much more content
I'm still swish with his lynch

[Groundsel]

Oh yeah, VT is pretty much the most common scumclaim, so that's moot.

it's also the most common townclaim too, so your point is also moot

In fact I don't like this logic at all.

Fos nintendo

If I lose to nintendo scum, I will never forgive you guys

and whilst I'm here, I must admit I'm thinking along the same lines as gorilla. Powerox just seems like stubborn town. Ant is a safer bet imho

VOTE: ant