Square Enix VI (MAFIA WINS)

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Mechanics: Standard town vs. mafia, but with a mini-game between other players as well.

Oy, wot's this all abou' then?

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Cutting him off is several large beings. LITERALLY.

LITERALLLYYYYYYYY

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Self-voting in RVS, while dumb, isn't any more dumb than most of what goes on in RVS. It's barely-holds-water theorycrafting to attribute a self vote to "wanting to be part of the group"-itis.

That said, Deathnote has now done two scummy things during RVS:

- Jumping on the C-Worl randomroflwagon
- Tried to rationalize an RVS self-vote into reasoning for a real vote.

vote Deathnote

I'll take that as enough to start easing out of RVS.

I have a super extra role.

I'm a cop again. Yeah discus.

Day 1 cop claims are very bad/not good/terrible? It's one of those three.

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VOTE: DIDDIN

QUICK.

LET'S END D1 BEFORE DIDDIN NOTICES.

YEAH

VOTE: DIDDIN

IT FEELS SO GOOD TO BE IN A GROUP!!!!!

Heh, is this where you got your theory from, Deadnote? lulz

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Can someone clue me in on the C-Worl policy lynch, it's my first game back in two years..

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Furthermore, vezok has softclaimed daycop with a guilty on C-Worl, which gives us more of a reason to lynch him.

Except...

Especially since the mod said nothing about a N0.

So I'm pretty happy with where my vote lies so far. I'll give the repentant VI the benefit of the doubt, until I see otherwise.

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You said this, not vezok. There's no clarification at this point as to whether he voted on the VI wagon, or based on his own abilities. And to be honest, I'm not really interested in him clarifying it.

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I'd say based on his last two posts he's at least willing to be serious about playing.

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I'd say based on his last two posts he's at least willing to be serious about playing.

Serious about playing=/=Townie

That logic says that all trolls are scum.

It'd be nice, but that's false information.

You are somewhat sidestepping the issue here. The argument on the policy lynch appears to be that people want to get rid of C-Worl because his meta indicates he does not contribute enough to warrant keeping him in the game. His recent posts say otherwise, so I'm fine with keeping him as long as he scumhunts and maintains interest. Outside of the policy lynch, he hasn't done anything scummy or lynch-worthy.

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Vezok has not claimed what you appear to want him to have claimed, despite your "it's obvious!" responses.

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I'd like to see a

votecount please

, at this point.

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This better be a one time power, or we're going to be stuck playing at a maximum of L-9 constantly.

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I don't really get the point of this "event", nothing is stopping everyone from just re-voting?

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This feels like a scum-driven event, shucking votes, maybe transferring to someone else.

Went and re-read the thread, the C-Worl wagon was 9 people unless I'm missing an unvote (MehPlusRawr, Parabollocks, Reckoner, Katsuki, Chronopie, Diddin, Vezok, dramonic, Hiraki), so I don't think it's a direct transfer.

If it's town-driven... hell whoever is driving this I don't really see the point.

Actually... Can someone listed above here please re-instate a vote on C-Worl, and then can we get another quick

votecount

to ensure we don't have a bunch of people who've lost their voting ability today?

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Also, testing: Vote: C-Worl

Mod, votecount please.

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All votes are counted. No one's vote was magically transferred secretly. Votes were reset as a result of the

previous

"attack" against vezok, like so

So I can't help but notice that several votes are missing from the votecount.

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GREYICE - ODIN (DAYATTACKING HUNTER) - SLICED 'N DICED DAY 1
DRAMONIC - SLEIPNIR (SWORDSMITH HUNTER) - DIED WITH HIS MASTER DAY 1

Lover death.

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Lover mechanic, "died with his master".

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Must not have been that obvious considering your post #225? How strange.

Antifinity has posted four times, and nothing out of those four posts says scum to me yet.

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It's four posts. So far it says very little. You, on the other hand, are starting to sound like you are flailing about looking for something to grab onto.

I did note, however, that both my own role PM and the (fucked up) town role PM example from the first post show a green color alignment. The mod posting on this daykill showed Blue character names. So I'm assuming the dead people were third party. There's no mention anywhere in the rules that this is partial reveal.

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Stop voting? Really? If there really is a countdown, shouldn't we be lynching someone? I'm believing veroz's claim at the moment, and would rather not lose a cop if this countdown is nefarious. I'm guessing if there is a countdown, veroz doesn't get tickles and cupcakes when it expires.

Can you explain your logic about not voting? The fact that you bring up a countdown mechanic from a previous game as a reminder, then try to get everyone to stop voting really seems like you'd be happy to see a potential Veroz countdown timer expire on its own.

Also, I'll point out again that the last votecount posted is missing a bunch of votes on it, including your test one, and a few others, despite the mod explicitly stating that the event on Veroz was the one that cleared votes.

Votes were reset as a result of the previous "attack" against vezok, like so

So votes are being tampered with, and you don't want votes. I'm going to need some explanation from you as to why.

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I'll put my vote here:

vote DeityKabuko

because I can't rationalize how a townie can go from this:

I just caught a scum, get on his wagon, you don't need a reason for agreeing with me.

You guys can go with your beliefs about vezok, but that will not remove my suspicions from him.

...to this...

Unvote

Fine, I'll take your word for it, but Vezok better not fuck up.

...in back to back posts so easily. Just smells too much of "I was caught trying to push a weak case and need to bail pronto" scum.

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Can I just ask a question here...

Is this game just filled to the brim with terrible players?

It seems that every time we start discussing someone, or find something scummy worth looking at, we get 2-3 people step out and go "Oh, don't worry about that, such and such is actually just horrible at Mafia... Oh, don't worry about that, such and such just claims D1 every time... oh don't worry about that, he's just a little retarded...."

DK's apparent defense against his flipflopping was that he felt pressured. In my experience, town tends to be at least a little stubborn about defending their cases (kinda like I'm doing right now), at the very least to get some sort of response out of the person you are accusing. DK put forth a bad one, but dressed it up with "confidence" and "bluster". It looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck.

But everyone's a VI according to.... everyone. I'm thinking this was a bad game to come back to MS on.

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Why does he pick one meaningless triplet and declare it important?

I feel this is a misrep. I placed my vote on a person based on them behaving in a way I feel is scummy. I explained why. I don't feel that it's meaningless. Your language dismisses my vote without really saying anything.

As well, 357 really strikes me the wrong way. It's a "whoa is me, whoa is us, OMG LOL" post with a smarmy, meta-, narratory feel to it.

I'll own this, without reservation. The point I am attempting to make is that I feel legitimate scumhunting in this game (not just mine, btw) is being cockblocked by meta evaluation at every turn.

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DeityKabuto, are you scum?

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Why are you so obsessed with not figuring out what is going on here? This is clearly not a normal game with normal rules, and playing it like it is will lead to serious problems for the town. In both SEM games I've been in, the mechanics have had a huge impact on how the game was played.

Because it's clearly stated in the rules that this is standard town vs. scum, with a mini-game.

We know the hunter flips are involved in the mini-game somehow

, and figuring out mechanics/setup speculation is just an excuse to not scumhunt.

Second time I've read you make a setup assumption with a degree of certainty in your language.

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The hunter's colors don't match up with my town colors.
They're also not notified as scum.

The rules clearly state this is scum vs. town with a minigame.

The

only logical conclusion

is that the blue flips are involved in the minigame, and therefore third party.

False. Other alternatives have been divulged within this game. Yet your certainty remains.

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I'm concerned about the speed of the Anti wagon at this point. He's L-2. We're four days into a three week deadline. If I understand the general point of the current voters correctly, the main concern appears to be excessive setup speculation, but half the game has been setup speculation, I'm not feeling why Anti is being singled out. I had a look at the voting patterns so far:

C-Worl Early Wagon: DeathNote, Niraki, dramonic, MehPlusRawr, Parabollocks, Reckoner, Katsuki, Chronopie, Diddin, Vezok

DK Wagon: Moratorium, MPR, Panzer, Vezok, Antifinity, Lowell, Parabollocks, bonsnox, Bunnylover

Antifinity Wagon: Recknoer, popsofctown, diddin, JPSalazar, Ghostwriter, Katsuki, Quilford, ooba, MPR, HellloooNewman, Parabollocks, Panzerjager, Hiraki


People who have been on all three wagons: MehPlusRawr and Parabollocks. Neither of their C-Worl votes were RVS, more PL and realvote.

Reread them both, MPR has been low-contribution mostly (no-content pony posts, "STOP VOTING GUYS", etc..) and has one post that I'd loosely qualify as scumhunting (asking all the idle non-voters why they aren't voting.).

Parabollocks RVS's C-Worl, realvotes C-Worl (percieved as "flipped suddenly"), buddies Hiraki, wagons DK blindly (dumb or scum explanation after being called out on this blind vote), wagons Anti by quoting him and not explaining why he's voting.

unvote

vote Parabollocks

MPR at least is making some effort to call people out and get a conversation going. Parabollocks just seems like a typical bandwagonner.

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@moratorium, i think that antinfinity is at L-3 since i am unsure panzer's vote counted. but which of the previous wagons do you think most likely contained the most scum? diddin, reck, katsuki and hiraki both were on c-worls wagon and went to the antinfinity wagon along with mpr, parabollocks and mpr.

C-Worl Early Wagon: DeathNote, Niraki, dramonic, MehPlusRawr, Parabollocks, Reckoner, Katsuki, Chronopie, Diddin, Vezok

Antifinity Wagon: Recknoer, popsofctown, diddin, JPSalazar, Ghostwriter, Katsuki, Quilford, ooba, MPR, HellloooNewman, Parabollocks, Panzerjager, Hiraki

these two wagons have a lot of similar votes on them. im not sure what to think of this, but i believe that its probable that scum could also be within voters that shifted from the c-worl wagon to the antinfinity wagon, without being on the dkab wagon.

I'm not sure how useful it would be to approach this from a "which of these two wagons had more scum" perspective, as it would require reads on every single voter. With the current very high number of players, the more efficient solution I'm attempting is to examine a few individuals with suspect voting patterns. However, as time goes on, the more data we accumulate on who went on what wagon the better. And if that act alone forces scum to re-evaluate whether to push a weak wagon for fear of their voting record, we profit with less weak wagons pushed.

But yes, it is highly likely that your last observation is correct.

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I didn't vote antifinity.

Tue May 31, 2011 9:13 am

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I have zero intention of this game taking up the whole three weeks of the deadline FYI.

That's been made plain. Stating it openly does not make it any less suspicious, however.

FoS: xRECKONERx

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Not going to go through two other games for purely meta purposes.

If you want to elaborate on the differences, that's fine. But I hardly have time enough for all the games I'm in already, let alone to read other games.

"...but I'll be happy to put up four games of my own and demand you read them to validate my wanting to quicklynch D1..."

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Still like my VCA.

vote Parabollocks

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Person X (DK's recipient) knows something about person Y, and xRECKONERx appears to know who person Y is.

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OKAY I'mma break this shits down in alphabetical order for y'all.

bobsnox: Leaning scum. He has a long string of VI or "easy" votes (Chesskid, DK, Elsa), changed at opportunistic whim. Then, he finally reaches an original attack with some teeth, pointing out a legitimate flaw in ooba's posting, and dances around it. No vote here, when it's his first legitimate REASONING behind someone being scummy? Not even calling ooba out as scummy, really, only kindasortamaybe? I also didn't like the dichotomy that he votes chesskid off of meta with hedging language, "correct me if I'm wrong," and then votes for Elsa for doing the same thing. However, I like his exchange with Parabollocks and his point on ooba WAS good, so I give him a few town points, too. This is closer to scum than null.

you just made the case for me, while being a cop-out or not, i'm just being lazy, whether you want to harp on me for doing so, that's wonderful, however, i like your catch-up post, shows pro-town motive and good judgement.

This post makes me think you never had a case for bobsnox to begin with.

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Holy shit guys, a Mason claim! Put your discussions to the wayside cuz there's a motherfucking Mason claim up in this bitch! Put your daughters to bed, stop the motherfucking presses, great fucking googly moogly, what does a guy have to do to get some fucking attention paid to his god damn Mason claim, right?! There's only like 7000 players left in this game, fourteen different conversations about 15 different topics, but holy hell in a handbasket, we got Masons! That's some fucking shit right there! Check that there claim the motherfuck out! We need to be all debating and analyzing the fuck out of some repercussions to a claim half a hair's width away from vanilla townie, guys!

It's not that your claim was missed, it's that no one cares, Panzer. You might as well have claimed "Beige".

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19) GreyICE - Odin (Dayattacking Hunter) - Sliced 'n diced Day 1
4) dramonic - Sleipnir (Swordsmith Hunter) - died with GreyICE Day 1

8) Antifinity - Yoko "Yo-Yo" Kishibojin (Town Vanilla Cop) - Lynched Day 1
10) pappums rat - Taro (Town Mason) - Flared to death Night 1
23) DeityKabuto - Gogo (Town Fourway Amnesiac Rolecop) - Walked away Night 1

That blue font. Likely indicates third party.

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Katsuki: C-Worl wagon, Antifinity Wagon, mentions lynching DK, been on or near all the wagons, Low-content poster. Likely scum.

KDub: Scumhunting, votes on Parabollocks based on three seperate occasions with light cases (small Para -> C-Worl exchange, vote reset testing, and poison testing), received poison vote which seems like a scummy power, likely town.

Bunnylover: Breadcrumbing that they are a Chocobo. KWEH. Lots of VI defense (on reckoner, on Vezo, on DK). Null.

Midnight's Sorrow: No posts for a week, posting consists more of descriptions of the game condition and very little scumhunting. Had a vote on me at one point but never really explained why. Was claimed as mason partner by Panzerjager. In isolation, leaning scum. With claim, leaning town, as there has been no counterclaim so far.

Chronopie: No posts since the 1st (stated Limited access). was on original C-Worl wagon. Null for Limited access claim.

LobsterCatapult: Setup speculation/interpretation, calls out MPR on "STOP THE FUCK VOTING GUYS", believes and then defends vezok's D1 cop claim (which vezok later states is a lie), scumhunts, VCA's, Town.

vezokpiraka: Claims cop, breadcrumbs that he isn't actually a cop, breadcrumbs that he's trying to entice scum to kill him N1, claims oneshot Commuter, if all of that is a scumplay it's a pretty damn good one. Town.

Hiraki: Purposeful low-content VI. Plays like this is EpicMafia. Most cases consist of "JUMP ON THIS SHIT RETARDS". Null.

HellloooNewman: Miller claim, DK VI Defense, then apparently makes DK his #1 policy lynch forever, then goes back to the Antifinity miswagon. "Scumdar=Raging" on a townflip. Leaning scum.

diddin: No posts since the 2nd, attempts a PL, rides Antifinity miswagon, defends Katsuki VI, defends DK VI, basically low content, leaning scum.

Panzerjager: RVS selfvote, "Gonna just go with the flow D-1 til the picture stops being so fuzzy.", votes 6 different ways, Claims Mason with Midnight's Sorrow and Pappum's rat. In isolation, leaning sucm. With claim, leaning town, as there has been no counterclaim so far.

MPR: Ponies. Is on all three early wagons. "STOP THE FUCK VOTING GUYS". Leaning Scum.

Quilford/Chesskid: Low content, votes have very little case information, Leaning scum.

bobsnox: Soft support of wagon of the hour, Hammered mislynch on Anti, some scumhunting. Null.

JP Salazar: Somewhat low contribution, scumhunts based on Reck's suggestion, "I have nothing to add, because this is getting stupid". Null.

Lowell: Low content, makes some evaluations on players. Is the Lowell I remember. Null.

DeathNote: Low content, puts up a reasonable defense to my early vote, feels more like town waiting for the smoke to clear than lurking scum. Leaning town.

Parabollocks: On all wagons, blatant case sheeping to put attention on bobsnox after being asked for a case that took a long time to emerge. Scum.

Amrun: Scumhunts, Content, reasonable arguments. Calling people out on their dumbshit. Town.

popsofctown: NOT the popsofctown i remember, is putting together coherent arguments, Amrun <-> popsofctown very much comes off as two townies arguing. Leaning town.

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EBWOP

@Moratorium - How was Reck a town flip?

Nonscum-flip would be more accurate.

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vote: Parabollocks

See VCA, see analysis above, re-voting due to reset.

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Well I'm back, as Kise pre-empted, and after a

quick-fire

skim of the thread since I last had a proper grasp on the game:

I have no reads, and honestly, it's been a clusterfuck game so far.

This more or less applies to me too. I had been writing up a case on C-Worl and Ooba as I went, as potential scum. Then they had to go and die / fulfil w/c, leaving me w/out a suspect.

So JPSalazar, Chronopie and Parabollocks all profess to having "no reads".

Sorry, but that just translates to "I'm too lazy to read the game" for me, with a pinch of "I'm scum and can't fabricate that many opinions". If I can sit down and ISO everyone in the game (and that post took me probably thirty minutes, just a quick skim on everyone), anyone can. I award you all bonus scum points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Opinions on recent topics:

Amrun <-> Pops is still two townies.

Kdub appears to be rolefishing on Hiraki's "100% scum" declaration.

We still have a bit too many VI's/Low content/"GET ON MAH WAGON" players.

Hiraki needs to expand on what he means in post #787 where he just linked to some apparently random game.

Parabollocks's defense on being on every early game wagon appears to boil down to "It was only three wagons". Three is enough, it was every early wagon, and your vote shifts had minimal public reasoning behind them.

Para's case on bobsnox feels like weak tea to me, but I'd still like to see a response from bobsnox.

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Limited Access: 3 days, maximum.
Reason: Death in the family. Will appear sporadically, if possible.

My condolences on your loss.

In no particular order, I feel the list can be (in no particular order):

Para
Hiraki
Vezo (leaning BY A STRAND OF HAIR to town)
Moratorium
Panzerjager

If I had to add another, it'd be HellloooNewman.

This is the first time my name is mentioned in a JPSalazar post, and it happens to occur in his first post following my calling him out on lack of reads:

So JPSalazar, Chronopie and Parabollocks all profess to having "no reads".

Sorry, but that just translates to "I'm too lazy to read the game" for me, with a pinch of "I'm scum and can't fabricate that many opinions". If I can sit down and ISO everyone in the game (and that post took me probably thirty minutes, just a quick skim on everyone), anyone can. I award you all bonus scum points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

So I'm going to call OMGUS on that one.

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unvote

vote Diddin

Fine with it.

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hey bob, i have alot more experience then you think i do, let's just say that.

What the hell is this shit? Bragging that you know how to fakeclaim?

unvote

vote Parabollocks

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prod-avoidance post. Waiting.

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soooo.... Parabollocks has still been on every wagon so far.

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VCA isn't based on opinion, and I find it generally accurate when in the relatively early game due to scum not feeling threatened by their vote trail due to sheer number of other voters.

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Give Elixir to JPSalazar

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i mean, honestly, this is a game, you are making it out to be like someone strapped you to a chair and is forcing you. now, i understand replacing out right now is hard, bc kise cant find anyone, but why not try to get the momentum back on town's side.

You'd be amazed as to how Kise actually got me into this game. Like, legitimately amazed.

jp is no where close to it. i think he claimed out of frustration.

^ This = truth

No, he's just claiming because. .. I don't know. It seems he's upset that he's a VT and therefore "useless."

This = also truth.
I'll readily admit to saying that claiming before I'm near L-1 is generally the stupidest thing to do, and I'd be lying if I tried to say that I was doing some sort of strategy. I was pissed, decided to sleep it off, and then ISO Panzerjager, because I've wanted to e-bitchslap him for about 3 pages now.
First Post (#0): Votes self, probably for laughs.
Second post: Jumps up, says DeathNote is scum.
Posts 3/4: Annoyance, assuming scum.

Goess off, wants to hammer Antifinity, unhammer, hammer...liked the Deity wagon. Really not, by and large, a help.

What's got me bothered still is:

I say we lynch DK, In a 30 player game we can certainly afford to mislynch a player who is this anti-town.
on D1, I don't mind lynching someone who is anti-town over someone we think is scum but is playing somewhat well.

You should NEVER try to do this. EVER.
Then the small back-and-forth with Reck:

Also if you were a mason why the fucking hell did you not vote me yesterday when everyone thought I had claimed masons with kats

I missed it entirely to be honest.

But I don't think you ever hard claimed also the context seemed jokeish.

Unvote

Really? You can miss THAT, but not anything on my posts? I forgot who said it, but they're right - at least one or two people who've been on the bandwagon are scum. Reck had thrown an early case that Midnight's Sorrow should throw a case on Moratorium or shut up. Panzer's claim to be Mason with Midnight's Sorrow could be a fair enough scumplay, as Kats can't agree or disagree.

Unvote
Vote: Panzerjager

This all feels contrived. You're getting some attention, and so now, holy hell, you better put some effort into building something that could be seen as a case on someone if you squint right.

unvote

vote JPSalazar

V/LA until Sunday night, out of town celebrating anniversary

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vote DeathNote

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Targets?

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slippy slip

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L-1

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vote Hiraki

6

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Because.

There's no way to avoid running down the doom counter now if we want to lynch someone today, so it doesn't really hurt to play normally and just deal with the outcome.

And I'd appreciate you cooling it on the unwarranted ad hominems.

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Was there any doom-saving mechanic in any other squareenix games? Something akin to:

Treatment

(ちりょう, chiryou) is a command ability in Final Fantasy VIII. It removes all negative status ailments from the target. It can cure Doom, while the regular Esuna spell cannot.

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I dislike how the game comes to a SCREECHING HALT when I say I'm going to deliver some scumbaggoes.

Minus points to everyone who is simply "waiting on me." Just because you can't vote doesn't mean you can't play the game.


And yes, I'm stalling. I have a busy life.

It's because all the wagons are scum driven, there have been 0 scum kills, everyone ignores VCA's, and with the complete lack of nightkilling options (really? only 1 nightkill? We're going to do 9 more days of this?), all scum has to do is keep playing the "GET ON THIS WAGON TARDOS" card and this game will just crawl for 6 more months.

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Vote me then.

I've already talked about VCA's, and am getting ignored left and right in the noise.

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vote Popsofctown

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Code: Select all

Lowell                       4 days 10 hours
Midnight's Sorrow          4 days 21 hours 
Katsuki                     5 days 12 hours
Parabollocks             7 days 14 hours 
Panzerjager                  7 days 16 hours 
Glork                      8 days 3 hours

Game feels abandoned.

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Hammered.

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So basically, once the timer runs out, several people are going to attempt to rush a vote, and whoever gets their vote in first lynches someone?

With mechanics like that, town has no chance to win.

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Any fast wagon is a scum wagon because all there is left in this game in scum and they're coasting.

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vote: Amrun

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"Flared to death" NK flavour = Kuja or Vanitas?

Could someone please summarize the claims so far, dead and alive.

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Town Antifinity: 15 (xRECKONERx, diddin, JPSalazar, GhostWriter, Katsuki, Quilford, ooba, MehPlusRawr, vezokpiraka, Hiraki, HellloooNewman, Parabollocks, Panzerjager, bobsnox, BunnyLover)
Town DeathNote: 11 (Hiraki, KDub, Amrun, bobsnox, JPSalazar, HellloooNewman, Parabollocks, popsofctown, Moratorium, LobsterCatapult, MehPlusRawr)
Town popsofctown: 9 (Amrun, HellloooNewman, Chronopie, Moratorium, bobsnox, JPSalazar, Panzerjager, Lowell, KDub)
Scum HellloooNewman killed by JPSalazar
Scum Amrun: 7 (JPSalazar, Katsuki, Hiraki, vezokpiraka, Lowell, bobsnox, Moratorium)
Current Wagon Bunnylover: (Hiraki, Panzerjager, vezokpiraka, Chronopie)

+1 for vote on scum, -1 for vote on town, didn't assign current wagon any points.

0 Katsuki
-2 KDub
-1 BunnyLover
0 Nero Cain (replaced Midnight's Sorrow)
-1 Chronopie
0 vezokpiraka
-1 Hiraki
-2 Panzerjager
0 Moratorium
-2 bobsnox
0 Lowell

Of KDub, Panzer and bobsnox, bob was on all three town wagons, and got onto the scum wagon late. It's not a great case, but at least it's factual. No one has a positive number, which just tells me we're badtown, got lucky with JP's hit on Newman, and scum has removed everyone that was anywhere close to the right track and left us with a town full of twitch. I don't really understand what the case is on Bunnylover ("coy?"), so...

vote: bobsnox

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ebwop: -1 Moratorium

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It is a stupid points system, but the point of it was to force myself to look at everyone's voting pattern, and the most suspicious one is "Be on all town wagons, join scum wagon late".

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You know.

This is what I was thinking doing VCAs myself.

But I have that ripe gut feeling that he's not scum.

He's been playing like this when he's town as of late. I'm really hesitant to lynch him.

Re-read this post a dozen times. Town doesn't talk like this, it just looks like cover for when you change your vote three pages from now.

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do u want me to waste time and pinpoint why you're scum?

Please explain your case.

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Fuck this game. Let's end it. I want to help you guys kill the town.