Into Africa - Over

[Seacore]

Vote Snarky

This is a highly strategic vote that leads into a highly tactical game plan that will win me the game.

Or I skimmed the thread, didn't want to read through annoying Fate v Flavour posts and decided to sheep Eli.

I'll let people guess which.
Or maybe it's both.

[Seacore]

Sigh... what did vezok just claim?

What, this?

I'm anteloping like my role-name suggests.

Please, how could this be a role claim? It's so subtle.

[Seacore]

Don't worry, I haven't ignored it. I don't entirely agree with it, since I think his vote on me was stupid rather than scummy, but he's on my radar.

[Seacore]

Yuppy.

Fate and elli in the same game. That's more like it.

First thing first.

vote Flavor

I'm anteloping

like my role-name suggests.

I want to get rid of DK like right now. Also jyl is pretty annoying too.

I was claiming Antelope.

I'm not claiming role lol.

This sure as hell seems to be a claim to me

[Seacore]

Also, what's wrong with a 5 man scum team in a 24 player game?

[Seacore]

Mod: I've voted before, I'm pretty sure. But the vote wasn't counted.

That being said

Unvote. Vote Silavor

I don't love my company on the wagon, but that won't stop me from sitting there at this stage.

[Seacore]

Checking in to say that I've been reading along and am happy with my vote.

[Seacore]

Not really happy with the target of that kill but then again, I'm really only skimming this game. Still happy with where my vote is.

[Seacore]

Happy to back up EK's wagon, I think it's got good reasoning behind it

Vote: llamarble

[Seacore]

lol

So this is how you chose to defend yourself?

The word 'defend' here implies that your attack was effective in any way.

Basically you've aimed your bow and arrow at ek and then fired in the opposite direction, into an ocean, and missed all the fish.
And now you're questioning why EK hasn't raised a shield.

predicted response: oh, now I've caught 3 scum buddies!

[Seacore]

Has anybody voted for you today DK? no. We just think your case is dumb and do not support it.

And this is the last word I'll say on your case:

Town do not know whether something will be a mislynch or not. So couldn't EK just have been town, supporting what many of us thought would be a scum lynch?

If we followed you, and voted EK, lynched her and then she flipped town, would you be proven scum? No, you were just proven wrong.

[Seacore]

Well

when I was in the situation

, it seemed like more was happening than this, well then, back to reality.

You mean like 20 minutes ago?

[Seacore]

Did Snarky just pre-emptively defend himself with NK speculation? Or is it a response to something in Hez's Wall that I'm not going to read?

Because if it isn't, it really stands out as odd. Like he's quietly standing in a corner and then starts shouting "don't look at me, they're all trying to make you look at me"

[Seacore]

There's a reason I stopped reading it quick.

Okay, can we examine then why Snarky thought it necessary to go on the defence, using WIFOM against a non-existent attack?

Because it seems like a guilty overreaction that I'd expect from scum.

[Seacore]

I'm happy with this llamarble wagon for now.

But my second wagon of choice is now officially Snarky

FOS Snarky

[Seacore]

Fate v Grey = noise

Best not pay too much attention to it.

[Seacore]

~There once was a "bah" post that crossed the line

It was deleted

The end

EHAHEHAEHEA

AND ONLY I SHALL NO THE CONTENTS OF THIS POST

NOW I HAZ GAME BREAKIN INFORMATIONZ

You should try and use it to your advantage like in SA3, that worked out well for you and your faction.

[Seacore]

Thank god you're on the ball, I don't like an easy game. [1]




[1] This is a lie. Seacore enjoys easy games that make him feel competent.

[Seacore]

Never, Fate. I think I'll get properly lynched Day 1 when I eventually do.

[Seacore]

Hyena doesn't sound like a town role in a prey vs predator game.

unvote. Vote CKD

[Seacore]

Llamafluff = +1 awesomeness for using Calvin and Hobbes

In other news I think we should still lynch CKD. Unless we've got some PR results of course. So I'll wait til everybody's posted before revoting CKD

[Seacore]

Hey look, I'm main wagon and it's Day 3, that sounds about right. It always happens, and I'm always town.

Look, I look bad because I've been skimming this game. This is a combination of post explosions and me being useless in early game during large games.
I chose CKD over Hez because we had a claimed cop and a claimed carnivore. It seemed an easy choice to me.
Yeah, I didn't mention Hez much, but go back and look at how many players I do mention, very few, again, because I've been skimming.

Also, I'm so sick of people saying "don't hunt for an SK when town is losing". Sure, that would be fine, we should be looking for scum over an SK. But when an SK lands in our lap we should kill him.

However, I've thought a bit over it and the fact that he can only kill lurkers and I'm guessing he can only kill them during the day, makes him fairly easy to leash.
So as long as CKD says he will not kill any more lurkers unless he asks permission, then that's fine by me.

You'll get some actual reads from me in a while when I go back and analyse the game a bit more.

[Seacore]

EK, it wouldn't surprise me if scum were given all the VT animals at the beginning of the game. Makes sense, scum would know what's on the menu.

[Seacore]

EK, it wouldn't surprise me if scum were given all the VT animals at the beginning of the game. Makes sense, scum would know what's on the menu.

I've never heard of anything REMOTELY like this.

...

Ya know, there are few things scum hate more than confirmed townies. It makes the game soooo much harder for them to win because they're already trying to kill power roles and people who suspect them.

Normally there is a single VT flavour. This game clearly has multiple.
Scum usually start with knowing the single VT flavour (enabling them to not get screwed by a masslclaim), This game may allow them to know the multiple VT flavours.

Imagine what would happen with a D1 massclaim of animals. We'd have heaps more antelopes than anybody else, then it's revealed that gazelles and zebras are also VTs. But antelopes were the only sample provided. We'd know the scum are in there. Easy win.

In theme games based on stories (novels, movies, tv shows) it's not uncommon to give fake claim characters out to players.
In my colour concentration game there were 3 different colours that were town, I told the scum what those colours were.

So I repeat it would not surprise me at all if the scum were told "VTs in this game are antelopes, gazelles and zebras" or whatever.

Also, I've watched games absolutely destroyed by "confirmed town" when they aren't. Go read A Storm of Swords mafia for evidence. Hascow won the game with a single D1 gambit that "couldn't possibly come from scum"

[Seacore]

Hmph, turns out on revision that the sample PM is an elephant... my bad. I must have read Vezok's early claim, combined with the day 1 flip that made me think that was the Sample PM. Told you I was skimming.

The rest of my post is still valid however.

[Seacore]

I'll provide reads, but I've already explained why I didn't mention Hez. The same reason I didn't mention half a dozen other people.

But I'll be V/LA this weekend, driving my wife to her parent's house. But she'll be staying the week with them, so I'll have PLENTY of time to read through early next week.

[Seacore]

Altilysian – My gut reaction was that he was posting a lot of reaction and questioning, but little of substance, and therefore that he was scummy. But a stronger read doesn’t confirm this. There’s some concrete stances in there, so that pushes it towards town. Still, my gut reaction hasn’t gone away, but I’m going to go with analysis this game and say Town.

Amrun – Town read. Strong stances, good questions, doesn’t stay quiet about wagons that she disagrees with.

Calcifer – I could see Calcifer as a Hez buddy. Quick hammer, doesn’t voice any possibility that Hez might be telling the truth, that maybe there are two scum teams, not 1 + SK. If CKD is an SK, then I think Hez got unlucky with his fake cop, and Calcifer put him out of his misery. Scum read

Cirno – Seems to make a genuine attempt to cut through the bullshit and actually seek answers, town read

CKD- Claimed Hyena in a game that’s shortest advertisement read “A predator vs prey game” Enough said.

DK – Frustrating to read because he doesn’t seem to add anything to the game. Odd questions, random stances. Null

Earworm – Reads as town to me, but that could be because I agree with most of his comments.

EK – Read as town, but I always read strong confident players as town, haven’t seen anything to make me doubt this though.

Evilpacman – I can’t tell whether he’s a bad player, scum or bad scum. On my ‘will lynch’ list for some seriously bad posts. Like trying to score browny points for my current wagon because he made a bad case against me D1.

FA – Feels like scum. A lot of the pointed questions feel like trying to get other players to make cases on his targets, or alternatively getting other players to go defending other players. Maybe I just don’t like the style, but it reads as scum to me.

GreyIce – Apart from GI’s predictable rage against fate, he’s playing one of the strongest town games I’ve seen him play in a while. I just finished a game where we were both town and I’m getting the same vibes off him.

Llamarble reads like he’s coasting, and that could really be either, so I’ll go null for now

Lowel is much the same, except that it just feels so much more opportunistic. Scum read.

Tajo – Reads as town based on his reaction to yesterday’s lynch and claims.

Snarky reads as scummy as all get out, but jumped off my wagon at the worst time for scum. So, if Snarky is scum, I think a bunch of people on my wagon must be. I say this without looking at the wagon make up at the time that snarky jumped off, so I’ll go and have a look after this is done.

Vezok – I can never read vezok, always plays the same. The early claim doesn’t change my lack of read either. I’d be happy for a vig here, we’re not going to get a scum kill

Ze – Reads as town despite the fact that I disagree with a lot of his conclusions.

So what’s that bring my reads to
Lowel,
FA
Calcifer
Maybe Snarky
And then of course CKD.

I"m going to do a little more reading and I'll post a vote.

[Seacore]

Oh and add EP to my list as well, missed him in my quick read over.
So that brings Snarky back into the game. With both FA and EP on my wagon, snarky may have felt that there was too much scum on my wagon and jumped off.

Also, my answer to the question of why I didn't mention Hez remains the same. I was skimming. I saw the claim of Hyena. That really ended the discussion as far as I was concerned.

unvote. Vote evilpacman

[Seacore]

Btw Seacore, why haven't you ever explained this before ToDay?

My guess would be because it only just came up?

[Seacore]

I think there is plenty of space in the concept of "CKD-Hyena" is not-town than is just "SK". He could be another scum team that is balanced in a different way, or any number of third parties... and I see Cirno has basically just said the same, very good. I've played around with other scum teams, gimping them in some ways but giving them bonuses in others, I see no reason why llama couldn't do so .

I agree with the interpretation of lionscum. I think it can only be viewed as a slip "IF" you think he meant "the scum team that is all lion" and IF that scum team actually exists and he's on it. There's too much IF there when a simple "allied with Hez-lion" is an easier explanation.

I'll look into the GI thing and the specific case in a bit.

[Seacore]

Because I am entertaining the idea that it's it's lions vs everyone and the Hyena role was designed to look suspicious.

Well stop entertaining the idea, because

Into Africa, a 24 player

preditor-prey

large theme is underway [0] replacements needed

How does a combined antelope-hyena team = predator-prey?

[Seacore]

I agreed with ending the flavour argument.
I don't think he's part of Hez's team.
I think he's likely not town and thus it'd be good if he died.
I don't want him lynched today unless we get truly desperate.

[Seacore]

EBWOP: I mean I agree with ending the flavour argument. (Present tense, not past tense)

Also, apologies, buy I missed that there had been a scavenger kill each day, I thought we'd only had one D1. That's what I get for catching up via ISOs.
I'm even more happy to leave CKD alone at this point and see how the scavenging proceeds. So far he either has to keep getting rid of lurkers or we catch him in a lie, so yay for us.

[Seacore]

Well, I think that Hyena, if scavenging is neither predator nor prey, thus the third party argument... but anyway, moving on.

It's hard for us to comment on his kill ability when we don't know the mechanic, but I understand why he hasn't revealed exactly what it is.

Since we've been successful in killing a scum, I'm open for him scavenging freely for at least another day. It'll help obtain a better read of him. Worst case we lose some level of lurker.

As for pacman. My inclination is that he's scum. But again, this may be because I hate the "too scummy to be scum" defense.

[Seacore]

>ZeLink
...
I want an explanation for why you think CKD is a gimped day-killing vig with a restriction on who he can actually day kill.

Why are you so intent on defending CKD when no one is actively attacking him?

One of these things is not like the other

One of these things doesn't belong.

[Seacore]

I know what you did Cirno, it just seemed out of place that you were asking him to defend his stance and then asking why he was defending it

Now that you've put a time context on it, it stands out less.

[Seacore]

Wait 72 hours before posting again, in that time I'll have come up with a solution.

[Seacore]

I isolated both seacore and vezok.

Can everyone, specially those voting seacore, tell me why are you prefering seacore to vezok?

The real answer will be "Seacore should know better"

[Seacore]

Than Vezok

[Seacore]

So what are you saying? That you are playing worse than vezok?

No, I'm saying that Vezok has a reputation as someone who always looks scummy. So people just let it slip by because most of the time lynching scummy Vezok = lynching town.

[Seacore]

I'm not as convinced Ze, but you've definitely got me wavering now.
Sigh.
I guess I'll be starting my own wagon then, since I don't like any of the current ones.

Unvote. Vote Lowell

[Seacore]

yeah, happy to move my vote away from Lowell if he gets vigged. But I've got quite a few people on my want to see vig list. Like we could have vezok dead, yes?

Anyway, I'm happy to vote for any of my scum reads, including snarky, but they'll all be first vote on the wagon, so there's no hurry.

[Seacore]

Seacore votes Lowel
GI: Why do you want to vote lowel, he should be vigged
Seacore: Because I want Vezok vigged
GI: Then why aren't you voting Vezok?

Um...?

I'll join you on either Calcifer or snarky Ze

[Seacore]

Like I said, I'm happy for the vig to get him. But if he keeps popping in to vote every 2.9 days and we keep saying "eventually the vig will get him" then he gets to end game.

unvote. Vote Calcifer

This will be my last jump for today.

[Seacore]

I don't think EK is obvtown, I think EK is both strong (because the player is good) and town. But I agree, we shouldn't let that slip into obvtown. So far there's nobody that I'm writing off that way.

[Seacore]

Is it just me or is DK trying too hard to look useless?

I'd be happy with a DK lynch just to stop him being in end game, but I'm actually thinking he's probably scum at this point.

"Here is an opportunistic vote, but don't look at it that way because I'm blatantly spelling out that I'm just copying and sheeping"

[Seacore]

caustic greyice is town greyice

False.

Caustic GreyIce is awake GreyIce

Seriously, read Brotherhood of the Wolf

[Seacore]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=16125

[Seacore]

Actually, you'll notice in that one that GI starts fairly calm and grows more caustic as pressure mounts... meta-wise that doesn't look great for him...

[Seacore]

I don't see GreyIce scum here, I also don't see Amrun scum here. But that obviously puts me in the minority.

Still, I'd much rather a DK kill today. C'mon, we can't let him survive to end game, it'd be terrible no mater what alignment he is, and I think he's scum.

Vote DK

Tajo, I don't think your quote up there is a slip necessarily, but he's still scum.

[Seacore]

I'm scum because I've stated that I think Grey is town and I've looked for a place to put my vote that will actually DO something?
Interesting...

If I'm scum and Grey is scum I'm doing it to protect him and push for a counterwagon
If I'm scum and Grey is town I'm doing it to buddy to Grey and earn some points with white knighting
If I'm town (and therefore don't know Grey's alignment) I'm doing it because I think they Grey is town and want to lynch someone I find scummy.

So you know, there's actually lots of interpretations for my actions, not just the ones your confirmation bias allows.

[Seacore]

DK is probtown but I'd LOVE for him to die.

...

VOTE: DeityKabuto

It needs to die.

We should probably be lynching scum today, though ... but I can't resist a DK wagon. It is my weakness.

Amrun is so town, scum would not admit to this.

[Seacore]

EP, how am I misrepping this post:

Seacore is moving to scumland after this counterwagoning.

with this?

I'm scum because I've stated that I think Grey is town and I've looked for a place to put my vote that will actually DO something?
Interesting...

[Seacore]

Ze, I'm not arguing that trying to lynch somebody who you think is town is a good idea or a pro-town idea, but claiming that's what you're doing is just something scum wouldn't do.

[Seacore]

Snarky, since you were attacking GI, does that put you as scum in the clan attacking him?

"everybody that agrees with me is town and everybody that disagrees with me is scum" is not "information"

[Seacore]

Um... that's not how brains work....

[Seacore]

I'm okay with lynching anybody on the GreyIce wagon. Not that I think they're all scum, but I'm happy with the theory that the majority of scum are there.

I'd prefer to start with DK or snarky.

[Seacore]

Yeah, like I said, any of them. If a vezok wagon starts up I'll join it. CAn't say exactly why I chose the two I did, I glanced at the wagon list and picked two names that felt right.

[Seacore]

Is there a case on EK yet? Or is she just the person on the GI wagon that scum are least resistant to forming a wagon on, so it's just naturally happening?

[Seacore]

Cool, lets get this snarky wagon on the road

vote snarky

[Seacore]

can we please kill lowell already?

out for the weekend on a monday? wtf?

actually, screw that, GM can you replace Lowell?

[Seacore]

I also didn't target Ze last night.

[Seacore]

Actually Cirno, this way is better. Because this provides much less information to the scum. CKD might be gambiting by having either no power or a different one. I've seen this done to great effect.

Read A Clash of Kings, where the 'name cop' who was unable to investigate alignment, asked a few different players to claim. He didn't have enough information to actually make accusations off the bat, but, from reactions, was able to secure a scum lynch and a confirmed town. So sit down and stop bitching.

[Seacore]

Cirno, please state why refusing to answer this question with everybody else is Pro-Town.

I'm not saying your behaviour is scummy. But I think it's anti-town.

You complain saying it's going to derail us, and yet you refuse to help us end it sooner.

[Seacore]

I'm not saying it is or it isn't. But it's certainly not pro-town.
I was just pre-empting the usual defence of "what would be the scum motivation of taking a stance and not answering this question? I'm obviously town"
So that's not the question I'm asking. What I'm asking is "how is this helping us?"

[Seacore]

unvote. Vote Tajo

I'm down with this.

[Seacore]

I wish I could declare people not providing information is scummy, but I've seen it time and time again where players are stubborn for no good reason and they flip town after they're lynched for the behaviour and then are unrepentant and say "well screw you guys, I just thought the question was stupid"

So instead I didn't approach it from that direction, I didn't take a stance on scum or town, I just wanted Cirno to answer why it was pro-town behaviour, because whether he's town or scum, he was anti-town right then.
His reaction would have helped me cement a read.
As it is, he's leaning scum to me, and not just for his refusal to answer.

[Seacore]

Calcifer, I'm ignoring you because you are refusing to understand what I'm saying.

The purpose of my post was not to call Cirno scum (or town). It was to ask her motivation for refusing to answer the question.

As I said in the other post, I've dealt with people who refuse to contribute before, and just screaming "you're scum" doesn't help, especially when some of them are town and just being dicks. So I was approaching it from another direction.

Not every post has to be
X is scum for this and that
Y is town for this and that.

I was information seeking, not taking a stance.

[Seacore]

Why didn't GreyIce say that he had been given these cop powers instead of just claiming cop? If he had actually been given the powers he could have set you (or whoever was the inventor) up with claim back up.

unvote

However, there is something else that I'm considering...

I don't think CKD is scum for this gambit, but I would have liked him to wait until everybody else claimed.

[Seacore]

There's no proof that he has a lurker vig power. Just that he has a day kill power.

[Seacore]

Calcifer, please stop talking when the grownups are having a conversation, You're not adding anything of value.

[Seacore]

Awesome. Who got the investigation power last night?

[Seacore]

Greyice never had time to claim he was being targetted by an inventor but HIS INVESTIGATIONS ARE TRUE.

Really?

GreyIce posted over 20 times in the hour after he was lynched.

His first post was this

Congrats, you morons just lynched

the town cop.

I investigated Amrun and Seacore, they're both town.

Elvis Knits is obvious scum. Look at her between Silavor and me. She threw a hissy fit day 1 and got town lynched over objections, and everyone got an instant town read on her despite her arguments being terrible. So day 3 she does the same fucking thing.

Llamarble is still scum. Sorry dude, you ain't that bad.

Vezok and DK both need to die.

Moron quotient in this thread is enormous.

Town Cop.

Not somebody who got investigative powers. But an actual role. Now I believe he was gambiting, but what about this suggests in inopportunity to actually claim what happened?

[Seacore]

I took a position on Cirno, if you're not going to read the game, it's not my problem.

But yeah, I'm buying the claim less and less. Also, Tajo seems to be suggesting that GreyIce knew he was the inventor, what inventor works that way?

When he claimed he was already lynched so instead of claiming an inventor targetted him, I guess his last play was to claim town cop to protect the inventor.

[Seacore]

Try again. This time read everything.

[Seacore]

See Calcifer. Cirno's not helpful at all and she can still read the freakin game.

[Seacore]

I've run PRs like that in the past. Not that I really believing Tajo right now, but I've seen it work.

Example: "Hired Killer: Each night PM the Mod with a target. That target will receive a PM instructing them to PM the mod with kill target. You will perform the kill action for purposes of investigation abilities such as tracking"

Well that's probably not how we wrote it, writing them to make sense is Faraday's department, but still the process was Player A targets Player B, Player B targets Player C (or player A as it turned out, ha!) all on the same night. You just need a decently long night and
a) to wait for all the Role Blocking targets to come in or
b) make the first action unblockable.

Here's the one thing that I've been mulling over.

If Tajo was lying, why wouldn't he just say he gave Ze the cop power? Why did he make his fake claim more complicated by adding a protection role in?

[Seacore]

Just checking in to state that I'll revote tajo when necessary, but I'd like to give him the chance to lurk out.

[Seacore]

vote tajo

[Seacore]

There are so many people I want dead. It's upsetting that most of them have to be town.

Vote Calcifer

[Seacore]

Vezok is in no way confirmed town. Safe claims are incredibly possible.

[Seacore]

While each one of Vezok's town tells are less than absolute, added up I'm going to grudgingly agree.

[Seacore]

Get the DK wagon long enough and I'll be on it.

[Seacore]

Vote Calcifer

[Seacore]

I ... want more Seacore.

I'm flattered EK, but I'm a happily married man.

That being said, I'm struggling in this game.
I completely agree with you that part of me would rather lose than let lurker scum win. So I would be down with a Lowell lynch today.

I'd also be down with a Charlie lynch for the same reason, but slightly less enthusiastically. The whole 'sheeping' thing, to me, feels like scum picking whichever player isn't making cases on scum.

As for who I have positive scum cases on rather than negative, I'd be willing to lynch snarky, cirno or calcifer and I'm ultimately happy with where my vote is right now.

[Seacore]

Vote Lowell

yeah, I'm good with that.

[Seacore]

I'm also not liking the way Cirno was reacting to snarky's vote.

As well as liking EK's case.

Vote Cirno

[Seacore]

Also, why did you say "lynching GI would be interesting"?

[Seacore]

Ah, I didn't remember it because it was a terrible explanation. Very good, happy with my vote.

[Seacore]

Yeah, mainly snarky, cirno and calcifer. I'd also be happy to lynch lowell, however I'm less convinced he's scum, part of me just wants him to lose this game no matter what side he's on.

[Seacore]

Vig Calcifer, lynch cirno

[Seacore]

I think the point is that we're all waiting to hear this interesting information.

[Seacore]

So you learnt nothing from helping to lynch somebody you didn't think was scummy?

[Seacore]

The three points you concede are reason enough to lynch you.

[Seacore]

So.

You're town.

some of us who are lynching you are town.

Because you have done things that have caused us to want to lynch you, and then you haven't been able to satisfy us that you shouldn't be lynched you've somehow "spanked our behinds?"

By your own words, you've caused this lynch.

[Seacore]

*waiting for calcifer to confirm/deny the willingness to be vigged*

[Seacore]

This is going to be one of those situations where we lynch her, because it's the right thing to do, she flips town and then she chalks it up personally as a win because it's us being stupid not her own actions that got her lynched.

[Seacore]

Logically, I think you are scum and that you definitely must be todays lynch to provide resolution to this whole issue.

Emotionally I get this feeling you're going to flip town and it'll just be that you've been terrible and anti town.

[Seacore]

Well obviously I'm not going to agree to that. I don't think anybody else finds me scummy at the moment, either.

[Seacore]

Well Cirno's on my blacklist now.

And yay for scum killing our third party.

I agree with the killing of Lowell but am leaning Calcifer over Amrun. That whole "I'll allow myself to be vigged but only if the town kill Seacore over whoever they jointly suspect" comment cemented that read.

[Seacore]

Charlie. State why it's scummy. Don't hint and then ask permission to find something scummy.

Crap, I forgot about snarky completely. God damn there's just too many people I want to lynch for this stage of the game.

Another small theory RE calcifer. Calcifer was potentially going to be pushed into accepting a Day Vig from ckd. So calcifer first made an unreasonable request to put it off for a day, and then CKD finally dies, despite openly being a tool for the town for days.

[Seacore]

Okay. Some context.

A bunch of us thought CKD was a Serial Killer. A bunch of others thought he was a conditional vig.

I was in the former, but content that if I was right, he was somewhat tamed, and if I was wrong then yay.
Given how hard it is to find scum amongst a bunch of anti-town townies I did not relish going back to a conversation of "should we use up a lynch on CKD"
Scum thankfully did that for us.

And now I ask the question again of why they would choose now to do that? Granted, they probably didn't know whether he was town or third party, but they must have realised we didn't know that either. They could have waited for that conversation to potentially soak up a lynch, or at least distract the town.

I suggest that it's because we were threatening to use it on calcifer.

Also, I see no reason for me to claim. My claim will not aid in scum hunting.

[Seacore]

Lol.

Please give us an example of this "own thinking"

[Seacore]

I'm cool with a mass claim

[Seacore]

It wasn't obvious to me.

[Seacore]

Also, EK, I definitely see 'some' WIFOM in my speculation, but I still think it's mostly valid.

Scenario 1: We say "hey, we're going to use CKD to kill X (who is town)" - Scum say "yay, that's one less mislynch we need to worry about"
Scenario 2: We say "hey, we're going to use CKD to kill Y (who is scum)" - Scum say "crap, can't let that happen"

I mean, they may fake Scenario 1 to look like Scenario 2, but they're effectively wasting 3 kills in doing so (1 where we get CKD to kill town, 1 where we kill CKD at end game and 1 of their NKs which could have been aimed at actual town). Assuming that we then 'wrongfully' kill Calcifer. That still nets them 2 kills down.

The maths just doesn't add up. I think it's got to be a more genuine life saving attempt.

Vote Calcifer

I honestly don't remember exactly why I like snarky for a lynch except that I remember wanting it early and he's not really contributing much.

[Seacore]

Looking over the live list, I don't have a town read on anybody. Maybe, grudgingly, Vezok.

It's not to say that I find everybody equally scummy or lynch worthy, but I wouldn't be surprised if anybody flips scum. Ugh.

[Seacore]

Fine, but we're lynching Calc tomorrow

Unvote. Vote Amrun

[Seacore]

Alternatively, if you are town, you could post your case now before you die?

[Seacore]

Meh.

I don't care too much. Amrun has already claimed. His case on snarky was not enough reason to hold off. (Granted I had forgotten about that lack of computer access)

[Seacore]

vote Calcifer

[Seacore]

Wow! Thank god for that. I know I didn't play well this game and probably don't deserve the win, but that goes for a lot of people in this game.

Sympathies to the scum.