Into Africa - Over

[Cirno]

VOTE: Jilynne1991

Here on the plains, its survival of the fastest. And as far as I know, can't nobody bandwagon as fast as me.

Also,
>mod claiming hyperlink color and telling people not to use it.

[Cirno]

VOTE: Fate

For language use.


Actually, because I don't like his push on Flavour or his suggestion that no more input is needed from him.

[Cirno]

Didn't realize FA was a filthy hydra. Still think the FA wagon is ridiculous though, especially if it is based on rolefishing as elvis suggests.

I think elvis' "Fate-Elli-FA business" is pure nonsense, so I'm switching my vote there.

VOTE: elvis_knits

FA's play seems more like newbie play than scum play to me.

[Cirno]

I just want to say that this 'noted' thing has always annoyed me.

[Cirno]

Ungrateful brat. Last time I join the FA defense force.

[Cirno]

>Can you explain why you didn't like his push?
He completely overreacted to a claim by a player who thought they were being modkilled.

[Cirno]

should be daykilled rather than modkilled

[Cirno]

DietyKabuto is my policy lynch.

[Cirno]

>Be DietyKabuto
>Immediately jump on largest wagon
>Call people faggots for believing FA's claim
>Get wagon'd
>lol I think he is town now gaiz

[Cirno]

Checking in. Anything to add? Nope.

[Cirno]

Checking in. Anything to add? Nope.

TOP THREE SCUMREADS IN FOLLOWING POST, NAO

If I thought there was someone scummy enough to point out, I would. I'm not going to bother posting my reads every few posts. Off the top of my head, I dislike Amrun and don't buy any of elvis' attacks against FA. If you want to know my opinion on some specific thing, just ask.

I will say that I think silavor is town, however.

[Cirno]

>Opinions on populartajo
Null read on him. His Hezlucky vote seems weak.
>Opinions on the game
The players in this game seem intent on stretching everything they possibly can. I don't think any of the current cases being pushed are worth a vote.

[Cirno]

>is elvis the only one attacking FA?

Doesn't matter how many people were attacking FA. The one I most had a problem with was elvis.

>Cirno [...] dislikes me and amrun's FA cases

I dislike elvis' attack on FA. Amrun is just someone I dislike in general so far, not particularly for anything in relation to FA.

>not an answer to the question

I gave two. dealwithit.jpg

[Cirno]

(Hmm.. I haven't posted in a while. Checking in again probably won't be well received. I need to say something vaguely relevant to the discussion. Maybe something with little information so that I can be asked about it and increase my activity level by replying... I got it!)

I think evilpacman or vezok are a better lynch than silavor.

(I'll either be ignored or questioned. Either way is a success. This will do fine.)

[Cirno]

Some thoughts on the game.

-I don't think silavor is particularly scummy. I think the push to lynch him because he found 5 people suspicious is ridiculous. I disagree that any of his posts regarding that topic were particularly scummy. I think once again elvis_knits' summary of events is exaggerated, misleading nonsense.

-I think GreyIce's vote on Fate, presumably because Fate pointed out his attitude towards the day kill, is ridiculous.

-Amrun, Flavour Analysis, Diety_Kabuto are town, though I am killing the last tonight.

-vezok is mafia, doesn't do anything but wagon. Lynch him instead of silavor.

-evilpacman's vote on seacore was ridiculous. He votes and then confirms his vote on silavor without ever explaining why. Even his megapost fails to mention silavor at all. Yes, I realize evilpacman is no longer voting silavor.

My preferred lynches are evilpacman, vezok, and elvis_knits, in no particular order.


Disclaimer: I reserve the right to find my own behavior scummy if someone else does it.
Disclaimer: Disregard all claims of nightkilling DietyKabuto.

[Cirno]

That reminds me. You make a lot of votes without explanation like Vezok. Let me revise my list to evilpacman, vezok, elvis_knits and llamarble.

[Cirno]

Is it the antelope thing? I don't care about the antelope thing.

[Cirno]

Looking back, you are right. I confused PV with silavor.

[Cirno]

>So does that change your conclusions?
It invalidates my complaints about ek's silavor case.

>why not?
Just to make sure I'm not confusing things again, we are talking about vezok claiming antelope, and then [insert name of deceased here] flipping antelope and town, thereby confirming vezok as town, right? I just don't think it is a stretch to assume antelope would be the town role in a game with this theme.

[Cirno]

>But how do you feel about Silavor himself?
I still think he is town.

>So you acknowledge that EK's Silavor case was based on something else. How do you feel about the actual case?
I don't think it is an outright misrepresentation anymore and no longer have a reason to attack it. That said, I disagree
with the bits concerning the slip and don't care about the rest.

[Cirno]

From recollection, silavor said he was stupid posting to find scum and I think that is different from acting scummy to find scum. As I don't find silavor's posts particularly scummy, I am not particularly bothered by the claim.

[Cirno]

>How is stupid posting different from acting scummy?
In one case, one is posting stupidly. In the other, one is posting like scum. For an example of the former, see DK.
>Clearly we all found his "stupidposting" scummy enough to wagon him
Your opinion has nothing to do with mine.

[Cirno]

silavor would never fuck me over by doing something like flipping scum.

[Cirno]

I'm willing to lynch the vast majority of people on the silavor wagon. Preferred lynches at evilpacman, fate, vezok.

VOTE: Fate

@FA: Congrats, since you feel the need to post 'Thoughts?' every time I try to read the fucking thread, I've decided to hide my online presence from here on out, something I've never bothered to do on mafiascum.

[Cirno]

@Cirno: You saw me say the same to Zelink, but you are only worried that I call you out, but not others?

>He thinks I won't be using the new found uncertainty of my online status to ignore him!

[Cirno]

But it

is

speculation bullshit.

[Cirno]

I had called silavor town earlier I think, but we needed a lynch and like hell I wasn't going to make use of my vote.

So once again

LOLGREYSCUM

"I called silavor town but still lynched him! GreyIce must be scum for finding that suspicious!"

Also, I forgot about llamarble. I'm okay with lynching him as well.

[Cirno]

I think that was more of a joke post guys.

[Cirno]

I don't find CKD particularly scummy at the moment. Can someone give me a review of why he should be wagoned?

@vezok

: So are you just bandwagoning again or what?

[Cirno]

Nope. Actually I'm sheeping Fate.

So it's not that you find ckd scummy, its just that you want to play follow the leader with Fate?

[Cirno]

Nothing of value has really happened since I last read the thread. You all seem intent on wagoning randomly. I thought I'd park my vote on Fate while you guys flailed about, but I guess it would be better used on someone who actually has a chance of being lynched.

VOTE: Llamarble

As for HezLucky, a quick look at the votes on his wagon...

>Hez, can you tell me what you have done that has helped the town?
>because this bandwagon gives me an enormous erection. And because he's scum.
>FUCK THE CKD WAGON, LETS DO THIS.
>You super overeacted as scum caught for wrong reasons.
>Because Fate's bussing again. Obv.
>I CANNOT REFUSE THE LLAMA AND I DONT REMEMBER ANY OF HEZ' POST THIS GAME
>In a game like this, the best tactic is to kill off the scummiest liability to town. CKD is townish, Llamrble is not useless. Hez is scummy. Hez is useless.
>Voting HezLucky because Fate said so

...kind of drives me away from it. I think it is sad that the vote on the wagon that makes the most sense comes from Vezok.

In other news, Fate continues to be my preferred lynch. Saying Llamarble was more useful than HezLucky was a wtf moment for me.

[Cirno]

Damn, I was hoping that I had invalidated a vote count through simulpost.

[Cirno]

Hyena. Town-aligned.
nope.jpg

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

I am certain Hez's "You'll lose without my skillz!" argument will convert many more people to the wagon.

[Cirno]

Elli and Jily are both dead town, btw.

[Cirno]

I still don't think ckd is town (based on his claim) and I don't care to wait until everyone weighs in.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

[Cirno]

>Why are you trying to out pr's? Pushing the easy lynch?
This is stupid. Saying "I'm going to lynch this person unless a power role says otherwise" is not role fishing.

>scum slip?
>Pretty sure that was a Freudian slip.
Sure.

>Don't hyenas steal prey from lions?
How does that make hyena a town role? Zebras and Antelopes eat grass. Hyenas eat zebra and antelope. They are not buddies.
>I don't really see the point in killing him now, anyway. [...] Even if he's third party or scum.
"I don't really see the point in killing a person that might be scum or third party and can kill."

Zelink is scum, guys.

In other news,
>vezok continuing to vote hop
>DietyKabuto continuing to follow people without question

My money is on a scum win this game.

[Cirno]

>You act like I said Hyena is a town role, when I didn't. I said it makes sense, based on game flavour.

Your post led me to believe that you were arguing that hyena was most likely to be a town-aligned day vig. Is that not what you were saying?

>In any case, what do I, as scum, have to gain from calling ckd town? Unless you think I'm scum with him or something? In which case, you'd still need to explain why I'd be so blatant about it and you'd also have to explain why ckd counter-claimed Hez like that yesterday.

Nah, I don't care about explaining all that. I think arguing that hyena is town-aligned is scummy. Therefore, I think that you are scummy.

>Just getting this straight: You don't think there's any way a Hyena could be town-aligned (even with the lion flip)? And you think the day vigs were done by ckd-scum?

No. Hyena are carnivores. We have yet to see a town flip that wasn't a herbivore. Hyena are known to eat even lions and vice versa, so I do not believe they are aligned. But neither are town aligned.

[Cirno]

>We haven't seen a PR flip, either. Does that mean we're looking at a mountainous setup?
I'm just going by what I've seen so far. All town-aligned flips have been strictly herbivores. Therefore, I am assuming all town roles (including power roles) are herbivores, or at least animals that don't eat zebra and antelope. In comparison, you are arguing that a carnivore can be town-aligned based on nothing.

>THAT tell is as old as the hills... and disturbingly reliable.
Somehow, I doubt its reliability.

Anyway, keeping my vote where it is. I'll give my opinion on whatever wagons happen to be popular at the time, whenever I get around to doing a re-read.

[Cirno]

>You are arguing this may be herbivores v carnivores. Is this always the case when it comes to Predator v Prey?
Not sure what you are asking, but as town flips have been antelopes, zebras, and gazelles, I am assuming that anything that preys on those creatures (such as hyenas and lions) are scum.

>Also you thinking someone trying to argue hyena = town is scummy, is your opinion and I don't think that's a good reason to base on alignment
From my understanding,you are saying that arguing that hyena may be town-aligned isn't scummy? Fact is, there is nothing to base such an argument on. In fact, the town flips so far would imply the opposite.

>Does the rest of his play line up with this?
I don't care about his play.

>Also did you support the Hez wagon?
No, I did not. The votes on the wagon all seemed weak to me and I didn't care too much about Hez myself, so I stayed away. For the record, I don't think Hez's flip clears ckd in any way.


As for the current wagons (seacore and grey), I can't seem to form a strong opinion on either. I think I like the Grey wagon a bit more because the reasoning for some of his votes seem more like excuses rather than reasons. And because he is voting me. Thought I'd say that before someone else does.

[Cirno]

You know, we can't really have a discussion if you just say 'some of those sentences are scummy!'. So please tell me which part of my post you believe to be scum-motivated and why you think so.

[Cirno]

>This is a pure flavor argument. I doubt this game breaks totally on flavor. You're basically tossing away responsibility for his flip here - if he flips town, you're like 'oh guess LlamaFluff did use that flavor after all, tee hee.'

No matter what a person bases his votes on, they can always shrug and say that they were wrong. I don't think my votes allow me to shirk responsibility anymore than yours. And I'll say it again, we have more reason to believe hyena is scum than otherwise.

>Ignoring the flavor, the claim of day-vig that can only kill lurkers is like unimpeachable town. You've ignored this.
Rather, I choose not to ignore the flavor.

>Yeah, that's the answer I'd expect... from scum. Who the fuck cares what you're lynching, as long as it doesn't share your win condition?
Yes, you are right. I really do not care what he is as long as his death helps my win condition.

>Blah blah I never commented blah blah.
For the record, I did comment on Hezlucky's wagon.

>Blah blah town logic at all you'll vote for either wagon right now.
I don't mean to say I will support either wagon, rather that I won't argue against either one and that I favor one over the other. I don't plan on changing my vote to either wagon (or at all, really).

>Anyway, he is competent scum and when he is scum he behaves as he has behaved here.
[citation needed]

[Cirno]

>If you say you are wrong, you say you are wrong about the moderator's FLAVOR.
I get what you are saying. Voting based on flavor gives me an excuse if he flips town. First, I don't think making such a vote is something more likely to be done by scum than town. Second, whether or not it gives me an excuse is irrelevant when the excuse isn't going to be accepted. And clearly, you aren't going to accept it.

>You don't have to explain any of your reads.
I don't see how I am excluded from explaining all of my reads. The 'I don't care about his play.' was in reference to ckd specifically. I don't care about his play because his claim gives me reason enough to lynch him. Currently, I don't have a scum read on anyone else strong enough to convince me to vote them over ckd.

>Moreover, you have not provided any reason he's scummy beyond blatant flavor analysis, and continue to both do so and SUPPORT THIS POSITION.
That is because blatant flavor analysis is the reason I find him scummy and I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Cirno]

I think DK's questions are just an attempt to not get scavenged, similar to this post.

Also, by my count, Calcifer is eligible to scavenged and CKD is back today.

[Cirno]

>ZeLink
>I want an explanation for why you think he's a gimped day-killing SK with a restriction on who he can actually day-kill. Do you think he's lying about his restriction? Also why do you think he so confidently claimed Hyena?

I don't necessarily think he is a sk, but I do not believe he is town-aligned. I believe this because Hyena does not fit in with any of the town flips or the flavor so far. Don't know if he is lying about his restriction.

I want an explanation for why you think CKD is a gimped day-killing vig with a restriction on who he can actually day kill.

[Cirno]

Why are you so intent on defending CKD when no one is actively attacking him?

[Cirno]

>Zelink
>I'm... not...? I called him a bad lynch today. I said move your vote to somewhere it will actually be doing something.

Prior to 1074, CKD discussion had already died down. You started it up again. I'm asking why you felt the need to do so.

@Seacore: All I did was take Zelink's line and replace 'sk' with 'vig'.

[Cirno]

>@everyone...I want your stance on grey...why is he a bad wagon?

Does 'everyone' apply to me, too? Lynching Grey would be interesting. But I don't hang out with no filthy hyenas, so I'm staying here.

[Cirno]

>ckd
>are you saying you dont agree with my case against Grey?
Wasn't really commenting on your case. But assuming that 1125 is your case, then yes, I disagree with it.

>do you think he is town? why?
He goes back and forth with me. I don't really care if he is lynched or not, but his lynch would be interesting, information wise.

What is your win condition?

[Cirno]

No, your

real

win condition.

Also,
>What part of my case on GI do you disagree with and why?
All of it. I don't think the deaths of Elli and Fate implicate Grey. I don't see or care about the so-called breadcrumb. I don't think you pushed him against any kind of wall and I don't believe he was avoiding questions because of it.

[Cirno]

Somehow I don't blame them for not believing your claim.

[Cirno]

Also,
>WHY are all your scum suspects very likely town? (I'm thinking of Vezok, llamarble, EPM).
"WHY are your opinions different from mine?"

You guys are making me feel bad for GreyIce and I don't like it.

[Cirno]

VOTE: DeityKabuto

[Cirno]

Don't be jealous, ckd, I'll return my vote to you when the dk wagon fails.

[Cirno]

Why is DK town?

[Cirno]

Why is it more helpful to town to keep DK alive?

[Cirno]

That implies that DK isn't a scummy person.

[Cirno]

>Dragging on the day by continuing to argue and asking for his claim

Nope.

VOTE: GreyIce

[Cirno]

He seems quite upset.

[Cirno]

VOTE: elvis_knits


...I'm out of Ainsley pictures.

[Cirno]

>EK
>Cirno didn't seem to think GI was scum, even said he felt bad for GI

"didn't seem to think GI was scum" is just a less obvious "thought GI was town", which I never said. In fact, I said that of the two wagons, GI was my preferred lynch.

>suspicious actions with hez

What were said suspicious actions?

Also, you keep using "voting near-confirmed town" as a scum tell and I want to say again that having a different opinion than you is not scummy. Especially given your vote history (on silavor, on greyice, off hezlucky) and how well that tell worked on day three.

[Cirno]

>EK
>doesn't quote the part where I say "I think I like the Grey wagon a bit more because the reasoning for some of his votes seem more like excuses rather than reasons."

>implying that you must agree with every case by every person on a wagon or else you think the wagonee is town.

No, disagreeing with CKD's shitty case or feeling sorry for GI when someone asks him a loaded question like "why are all your scum suspects very likely town?" does not mean I think he is town.

Now, I'm not claiming that I wanted to lynch GI the whole time. But your implication that I voted GreyIce despite believing he was town is false.

As for the actual reason for the hammer: GI's lynch was good enough, he was at L-1, and I wanted to end the day.

Also, I still want to know about those suspicious actions with hez earworm was supposedly engaged in.

[Cirno]

>EK
>I never said that you believed GI was town.
You implied it.
"Disagreeing with the case against GI, is almost as good as saying you don't think GI is scum"
"Cirno didn't seem to think GI was scum, even said he felt bad for GI"


>I found that you also said "I don't plan on changing my vote to either wagon"

Right but I had stopped caring about keeping my vote on ckd at the point that I voted DK.

>ckd
>sorry to out (but want to get scum) we need to do this. and I dont want to die with the info

If you are going to out them anyway, why not just write out the names? Also, can you kill people who come to the watering hole at night?

[Cirno]

I'm gonna stall and see if he vigs me.

[Cirno]

>I imagine he's trying to catch somebody lying, Cirno.

I don't see the point in having everybody claim whether they targeted zelink and then go "you're lying!", when he can just say who it was.

[Cirno]

>ckd
>a hyena...
>...that is aligned with antelopes, gazelles, and zebras...
>...and can only vig people who are eligible to be replaced...
>...and now has the previously unmentioned ability of a watcher as well
>obvtown

Nope.

Also, stalling like a us congressman at a budget meeting. Come at me, bro.

[Cirno]

Somehow I don't think anyone, town or scum, is going to allow himself to be daykilled, even if he is told to.

>And Cirno, YES OR NO DID YOU TARGET ZELINK THERE IS NO TOWNREASON NOT TO COMPLY.

Concentrate and ask again

[Cirno]

ckd also wants to know

why

you targeted zelink

[Cirno]

okay I guess we'll just waste time and wait for the inevitable 'why' rather than getting it out of the way

[Cirno]

What should have happened:
>ckd outs the two who targeted zelink and asks them why
>discussion moves on

What is actually going to happen
>ckd tells everyone to state whether they targeted zelink one by one
>several hours pass as several players scattered across time zones check in to make one liner posts
>discussion goes no where in the meantime
>eventually both people say they targeted zelink, rendering all those past hours pointless
>they are finally asked why they did so
>discussion finally begins

[Cirno]

>pretending that the day will result in anything but a tajo lynch

VOTE: tajo

I wasn't going to join the wagon until that claim.
>Everybody he targeted is conveniently dead.
>Trying to use GreyIce's reaction fishing to backup his claim.
>50% chance to doctor but must have failed

Nope.


Also, my distrust of ckd is unlikely to change regardless of tajo's flip. Only good hyena is a dead one.

[Cirno]

>Who got the investigation power last night?
>Who got the investigation power last night?
>Who got the investigation power last night?
>Who got the investigation power last night?

[Cirno]

>No, he said he can only grant one a night.
You know, I actually stopped myself from double-checking that before I posted.

[Cirno]

But he didn't actually have to name the inventor.

[Cirno]

>As it is, he's leaning scum to me, and not just for his refusal to answer.

There you go.

[Cirno]

>I thought most QT's are daytalking.

[Cirno]

Playing mafia instead of listening to the instructor? I like your style.

[Cirno]

hammer tajo guys

[Cirno]

tajo pretty much admitted he was scum bro

[Cirno]

@llama: you aren't going to get an extra town selected death. If anything you will have to settle for a lurker death that no one chose.

[Cirno]

>laughing at your teammate
not cool bro

[Cirno]

>laughing at your teammate
not cool bro

It takes another teamate to know the team. xD

I see I can't fool you, DK. Changing my avatar to reflect my lion status.

[Cirno]

>The point is we ORDER somebody to shut up and die on penalty of lynch.
>If they're town the pro-town move is to accept getting vigged, saving the town a lynch.
>If they're scum they probably won't be willing to do it, but that just means we confirm more scum which is awesome.

"We'll order someone to to die or we'll kill them but only a townie would let himself be killed."

[Cirno]

Go ahead. You have my go ahead and that's really all you need.

[Cirno]

I'll pass on calcifer. Putting my vote back where it was yesterday.

VOTE: elvis_knits

[Cirno]

Looked through the isos of my suspects. EK still bothers me the most as I disagree with the vast majority of her reasoning. Keeping my vote there. This is a "don't kill me bro" post.

[Cirno]

>ckd
>@everyone else…please check my thought process here…am I over looking something? If you think DK is quite town, please tell me why….

I think you are reading way too much into DK, particularly the "times like this my vote counts" part. I'm not a fan of "person A was killed because he suspected person B" arguments, but I won't argue those points. I will say, though, that I don't think scum would go out of their way to save DK. Also, as Amrun says, DK's behavior is nothing out of the ordinary for DK.

I attempted to fuck over your gambit because it didn't make any sense in relation to your claim.

Also, don't waste your time asking me to lurk.

[Cirno]

Re-read everyone's iso and changed my reads around a bit. I'd prefer lynching Calcifer to Amrun. Gonna vote for obvious scum though.

VOTE: Lowell

This doesn't mean I feel any different about ckd or ek. I don't really wanna bother making a futile argument against them, so I'll just ignore them and let the rest of you sort it out.

[Cirno]

Lowell's 72 hours is up at around 4pm on monday, I believe.

[Cirno]

So why aren't you guys voting Lowell?

[Cirno]

1.Lowell isn't going to let himself be daykilled.

2.You can't really claim I ignored the wagon when you include a quote of me explaining why I didn't want any part of it in the same post.

3.My behavior during your gambit boils down to the fact that I don't trust you one bit.

And that is pretty much all I'm going to say in my defense.

[Cirno]

So why do you think Lowell is town?

[Cirno]

So do you believe both Lowell and I are scum?

[Cirno]

@Snarky: I understand your opinion on me, but do you mean to say you have no opinion on Lowell?

@EK: I can repeat what I already posted if you really want me to. I don't feel like my hammer needs to be justified.

[Cirno]

Gonna repeat that disagreeing with a case does not mean you support the target of the case. Not gonna bother arguing the rest.

[Cirno]

Y'all foolish.

[Cirno]

Disagreeing with a case throws doubt on the case and throws doubt on the subject's scumminess. It is a soft support of the subject. If you disagree with the case but still think the person is scum, I expect you to present a different case.

Your argument seems to be that by disagreeing with CKD's case, even if it is a bad case, I am undermining the wagon. Therefore, as town, I should build my own case against CKD to show support of the wagon. To do otherwise is scummy. I disagree. This is only scummy if you have a reasonable expectation of me, as Town, to build a case in that situation. You don't, for a couple reasons. Firstly, I stated that I didn't care if GI was lynched, which should have indicated to you that I would not go out of my way to get him lynched. Secondly, it was clear that I wanted to lynch someone else, which removes all impetus for me to build a case against GI.

I didn't wait until GreyIce claimed because I didn't care. Not just about his claim, but about the game in general. I was in "fuck it" mode once I started posting Ainsley pictures.

@Atil

: I didn't mean to imply that GreyIce's lynch would give special information, only that the information gained from his lynch would be more interesting as he was aggressive and polarizing.

Anyway, this post was fun to write, so I guess I'll argue with you guys after all.

[Cirno]

I didn't hammer GI for info.

[Cirno]

GI's lynch was good enough, he was at L-1, and I wanted to end the day.

[Cirno]

>Amrun
>HOW was it "good enough?"
My guy wasn't getting lynched and I had no objections to lynching GI.

>Seacore
>Also, why did you say "lynching GI would be interesting"?
I just explained this a few posts back.

Keep 'em comin'.

[Cirno]

You just want to bow out of the fight because you know I'll rock your face like a bobblehead.

[Cirno]

It's not that I am hesitant to share the information, it's that I didn't bother to analyze the wagon (other than to check EK's voting history) so I don't have any information to share.

[Cirno]

I intended to give it as much attention as I would any other wagon. I didn't consider it a special case, just more interesting than the competing wagon because of GI's playstyle and the other player's reactions to him.

[Cirno]

Okay, I'm not gonna vote myself just to see if you follow through but I want you to know I was really tempted.

[Cirno]

Also, in the event that I'm lynched and flip town, will you promise never to use "taking a game as a challenge" as a scumtell again?

[Cirno]

But you specifically said it would be interesting,

information wise

. That should make the wagon special and deserving of more attention.

But "interesting, information wise" doesn't mean anything other than that the wagon would provide interesting information.

[Cirno]

@Calcifer: If you vote me, Snarky will hammer and you won't be killed.

[Cirno]

How does saying something will be interesting, information-wise mean anything

other

than that it will provide interesting information?

[Cirno]

I would find the information gained from GI's lynch interesting because he was an aggressive player with strong opinions. Such players tend to provoke strong opinions in response. Upon his flip, his alignment would provide insight into these expressed opinions, thus helping me to better form opinions on the people who made said responses.

I'm saying, or trying to say, that I only believed it would provide interesting information, not that it would provide any kind of special information.

[Cirno]

Unable to respond to my explanation, you instead change your approach. Gonna go ahead and add a mark to the "Behinds Spanked" tally I keep on my wall.

But you are right. The following is true:
-I did not particularly care if GI was lynched
-I hammered him anyway without waiting for a claim
-I did not bother to analyze the GI wagon after the hammer, despite the fact that I had previously claimed it would provide interesting information.

I don't dispute these points. I do dispute the "you hammered him even though you didn't think he was scummy" argument you and EK are making, however. Like I've said, I expressed suspicion of him and a willingness to lynch him. I also dispute whatever point Atil is trying to make by insisting that I considered the Grey wagon special.

[Cirno]

Well, I pretty much knew what would happen when I decided to hammer GI. But I'm still gonna battle you guys. And I'm still adding your behind to the tally.

[Cirno]

>He is mad that I beat his behind to a blush

But seriously, it is a joke. If I am going to defend myself from a near certain lynch, I might as well have fun while doing it.

[Cirno]

so cirno confessed? is there a reason we're to hold off voting him? Looks like he was trying to find a way to quasi-softclaim something, then couldn't think of anything, then decided on three random points that mean nothing.

also, im not (intentionally) waiting around to be vigged. that's stupid.

Didn't confess to anything. I just said I knew I would get in trouble for the hammer.

[Cirno]

Also, Lowell is pretty obvious scum, guys.

[Cirno]

You know, you really don't need to distance from a lurker.

[Cirno]

CKD, since it is just us here and we are both fairly smug, you wanna have a good old fashioned avatar bet? If I am anything other than town, you can choose my avatar. If you are anything other than town, I choose yours. If we are both town, we both lose and neither avatar is changed. Conversely, if we are both anything other than town, we both win and both avatars are changed. Town-algined power roles are considered town, of course. The avatars remain changed for a period of one month.

Are you a bad enough dude to accept this bet?

[Cirno]

@EK: Even if you pull the indignant townie bit, I'm gonna keep arguing the logic.

1.The person I want to lynch is CKD. I also express suspicion of GI.
2. CKD asks me what I think of his case against GI. I explain why I disagree with it.

Why does it make any sense to build a case on GI in this context? Why does it make any sense to even repeat my suspicions of GI (and yes, I had explained my suspicions of GI)? Why is it scummy to not have done so? It doesn't and it's not.

Also, I wasn't fucking with the game. I didn't hammer GI believing that he would certainly flip town. I still played to win, I just didn't play to stay alive. Hence I hammered GI to get a flip regardless of the trouble it would bring me. Hence I fucked with CKD's gambit knowing people wouldn't like it.

[Cirno]

But I knew that refusing to go along with the claims would get me in trouble.

[Cirno]

If you don't come up with a counter quick I'm gonna add you to the Behinds Spanked tally.

[Cirno]

I think I already said it was my actions that put me in this situation.

[Cirno]

Also, there is no requirement to lynch someone you think is town, dude.

[Cirno]

@Atil: I think it is more understandable if you look at the context of the comment. CKD asked me if I thought GI was town, and I replied that I was unsure of GI's alignment, but that his lynch would be "interesting, information wise".

I hammered GI more out of "fuck this, just end the day" than for information. I didn't care to analyze the wagon because at that point I wasn't going to put a lot of effort into this game. My vote on EK was more serious than my vote on DK or GI, but I was still in "fuck this shit" mode, hence the comment about Ainsley rather than an explanation of my vote.

I mean "I think I like the Grey wagon a bit more because the reasoning for some of his votes seem more like excuses rather than reasons." when I refer to expressing suspicions of Grey.

[Cirno]

Have you guys realized yet that scum has absolutely no reason to let themselves be daykilled? In that case, only townies will be daykilled, so they really have no reason to go along with it either. Why do you still think asking someone to lurk out will hit scum?

Anyway, not lurking. Not self-hammering. And certainly not staying quiet.

[Cirno]

I'm dead, but I still want to respond to CKD's question. The whole "stall and see if he vigs me" thing was because you threatened to kill anyone who tried to stall and it seemed like you were saying you didn't have to want 72 hours.

[Cirno]

For the record, I am a mandrill. Every night I can take a lion and instruct him to "look harder" into a pool of water.

[Cirno]

Oops, thought I was already hammered.

[Cirno]

Also, I'm sad that you guys haven't seen the Lion King.

[Cirno]

LOL scum fail.

Care o tell us some scum buddies?

Lowell.

[Cirno]

CKD's new avatar.


It is quick and dirty but that kinda adds to the flavor.