ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)
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@Magua - why aren't you voting? Aren't you some hard case who's gonna whomp me in a brawl or something?-
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You're expecting brilliance from Nexus that will affect your vote?
Benmage is an anomaly - but if he's cult than all of his 'yo, I'm hunting SCUM, not cult, I catch the scumz, yo!' business is...ballsy considering there's still a scum team with a kill out there and he's been listed as a CR candidate, yeah? I could see him as regular scum, but if cult...woosh.-
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Yay, Nexus, potential forward movement.-
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Gut.
Probably if I had to put it into words It would come out as 'lurking for advantage and to be forgotten'
CES at least seems to say the occasional strong opinion that is questionable, I feel like he's more out there. Nexus is lurktastic, and something is up with that.-
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Espeonage wrote:Yet you push the Nexus wagon as vehemently as you possibly can despite it being based on things that aren't even all that scummy in and of themselves. While I appreciate the use of gut to get stuff happening. Not helping. A CES vote would help though.
So you're saying Nexus=town?-
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@Spy - aren't you still voting Benmage? Blood and fire times require you to be on the blood and fire wagon, yeah?
Nexus wrote:Thor is just acting like Thor, so I don't really know.
I've got a "just acting like Thor" meta and it's unreadable? I'd sort of hoped I always came across as town...
@LB - Hey, I agree with that conclusion.-
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@Spy - why would LB be recruit N2? And your theory would require Benny to be recruit first, yeah.
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Unvote: Nexus
Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum
This town needs electrodes on it's ballsacks.-
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Your edit left me with bad grammar, but I do not disagree with the core message.-
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Yeah, my bad, but not my issue; Using 'it' as the pronoun for a human being is.-
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CES - So you're not CR because you haven't lynched Benmage or Nexus and are trying to lynch the difficult target of Hindu?
Magua - he.
LB - so if it's not Hindu or CES why isn't it Nexus?-
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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Thor665 wrote:CES - So you're not CR because you haven't lynched Benmage or Nexus and are trying to lynch the difficult target of Hindu?
I also pushed against Maguavig and Magualynch yesterday, but yes, basically.
I like Magua as much as the next guy - but how does that make you not CR exactly? We don't know what Magua is so...
Magua wrote:My big problem with this is that I simply do not see Hinduragi as a cult recruiter who goes and hammers hasdgfas -- *regardless* of whether he believed Benmage's claim or not.
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Isn't the logic that Emp is cult regardless of Ben's alignment?-
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@Magua - Watcher is a ballsy fakeclaim, especially in a three faction setup. Thoughts?-
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@Locke - you called Emp obv. town, he's now about to be lynched as you do nothing. How about you vote CES, I don't think you called CES town, yeah? Who was it you accussed of not having direction today? <--oh, snap, another question. Seriously now, do something.
@Magua/Nexus - bwuh?-
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Oh, and I skipped the last 2 pages and am gone all Friday. I'm emotionally comfortable with this.-
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Deuced if I know.
I want Nexus, CES, and Locke dead, if I could triple day kill they would be my three guaranteed.
I've got way too many town reads considering the number of cult and scum still left, but since two people I felt were scuzzy yesterday were both scuzzy I see no read to get too wifom on that bullhookey yet. I'm not smart enough to clarify scum/cult reads but will at least say I think CES or Nexus are the CR.-
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Gotta be a recruited Vig or something, yeah? No way LB was a pro town kill effort.-
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@Emp - I hear you talking but have no idea what you're saying. You're saying the CR has to be one of the Seven Priest classes? Aren't the cult fluffed out as some alternate religion entirely?-
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We have a claimed SK and a claimed scum - why would we want to no lynch?-
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@Espeo - recruit immune, y/n?
@Emp - fire, go find one.-
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@Magua - it was a joke plan, I already made him explain it, we're ignoring Emp now.-
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@Magua/Locke - why do you not believe the SK claim? All your discussion at the moment seems to take for granted he is cult, is there something I should know?-
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Could you link me to the posts you're using to clear you/Nexus from CES?-
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Okay, I'm behind that.
So we lynch Emp.
We tell scum to shoot Hind.
If Hind is scum we're directing them to Espeo or Spy? That seems tenable.
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Though he'd basically lost by being tracked to a kill, yeah? Town/Scum/Cult whichever faction he wasn't part of he was now a threat to both of the others.
EBWOP
Locke Lamora (scum)
Thor665 (town)
Empking (scum)
Magua (town)
Nexus (cult/scum)
SpyreX (town/cult?)
Hinduragi (CR)
Espeonage (anti-town, cult?)
Would be my predictions.
Espeo is actually pretty clearly not scum, though maybe cult.
I'm going with you as town as the only player who seems to actually give a fig.
Empking's tracks suggest a clear for Spy on the scum axis.
Nexus is cult scum simply because there really ought to be another scum, and I don't think he's town in any way - though he would probably be one of my last desires for lynch presuming Hind is CR.-
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If Espeo is cult he would have shot Spyrex - ergo Espeo is not cult.
Espeo is not scum unless this is a really weird bus from Emp.
Therefore Espeo is SK.
Anyone see any mistakes?
This means town has already lost, yeah? This is balls.-
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Locke Lamora (scum)
Thor665 (town)
Empking (scum)
Magua (town)
Nexus (scum)
SpyreX (town/cult?)
Hinduragi (CR)
Espeonage (SK)
This is modified thoughts.
Below is the list with "not CRs"
Locke Lamora (scum) - not CR due to Cow.
Thor665 (town) - not CR due to Cow
Empking (scum) - not CR due to Scum
Magua (town) - not CR due to track
Nexus (scum) - not CR due to track
SpyreX (town/cult?)
Hinduragi (CR)
Espeonage (SK) - not CR due to SK
So it's Hind or Spy unless it's two and they're odd/even but this is getting headache potential. Lack of Spy kill by Espeo either proves Espeo is SK or proves Spy is cult and so is Espeo - yeah?-
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@Nexus - you hopped on that one quick - nothing else was worth commenting on? Clearly you're reading along.-
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@Hindu - you're voting the same way a self confessed scum is voting - what does this tell you?-
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Even if Esp is Cult (or Sk, or whatever the fug), Hidu's vote only makes sense if Hindu is scum or is cult with a kill.-
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I'm not sure whether you're an idiot or I am - I'll choose to accept this as a 'not town' claim though. Not that I needed much convincing.
And, yeah, Thor was obv. recruit since Day 4, no ifs ands or buts about it. I've been in such a super obvious and strong position cult definitely wanted me to be one of their recruits.-
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But if he's member of cult team why is Spy alive? That's the part meting my noggin. LB was a recruit, not a kill, Spy was a kill not a recruit - derpt-doo, yeah?-
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Yes, I have. To quote Conan "enough talk"
Vote: Empking
We're lynching scum - because if we don't lynch scum we (and those pretending to be we) lose the game. It's up to scum to hit the recruiter, and they have inside information we don't that can effect the suspect pool even more now. Unless we're seriously expecting some super awesome revelation I say it's time to make them try to puzzle out their best shot.-
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Yes - if he was cult he would kill the claimed uncultable. The only way he's cult is if SpySpy is also cult.-
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Magua wrote:So what's your theory on no extra kill N1, N2, N3, N4, as well as the daykill on D4?
That there's probably truth to the weird limited kill nature of his SKness.
I agree the kill thing is weird - but I can't conceive of cult killing LB, you'd want to recruit LB. I'd see Espeo as more likely to be scum than cult - but that's something scum actually has an inside track for when deciding their kills, and we already know who we have to lynch anyway.-
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If he recruited the Warrior why would he be targeting kill shots?-
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If the Warrior is who would have the kill ability - if Espeo is the Warrior than he's not CR.
If he recruited Warrior than he shouldn't be killing, the Warrior should.-
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Okay, I can see the drive there;
But the reverse is - he's a Recruiter with NK ability and a Daykill ability (or recruited Daykill, I suppose) who decided not to mess with Spyrex at all? How does that make any sense? It seems less bizarre to just be - yeah, cult didn't get fakeclaims.-
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Magua wrote:And, my god, to be an SK who is given *3* kills in a 24-player game. No.
Yeah, this is weird as frell.
Could he just be scum and this is some sort of weird distancing with Emp? That might almost make sense if we get down to near scum majority again and everyone's like - gotta lynch scum, who can we rule out - ah, Espeo totally wasn't scum because yadda, yadda, hey. Let's lynch 'Player X'
That would at least be a potential advancing of a wincon via the claim - though whoever did the other kill, if not scum, would know they're lying. Which then suggests cult had a kill and killed CES, which is even worse than cult killing LB.
Did Bilbo ever suggest his blocks? Because that's the only way LB would have evaded a recruit attempt, and consequently would be the only reason Cult might have wanted to kill him (thinking him scum and unrecruitible), yeah? Looking at Bilbo's iso I got nothing from his end of Day stuff.
But *if* cult tried to recruit LB Night 2
and *if* Bilbo blocked the recruiter
and *if* cult never put two and two together
*then* it could make sense for cult to shoot LB instead of Spyrex...no sir, I don't like it. If you want to go down that road than isn't Spy obvious recruiter and Espeo schmuck recruit?-
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@Emp - do you guys have a roleblocker, or are they all goons besides you?-
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Well, none of them, but you theoretically want town's help in sussing out a recruiter since you guys can't hit the broad side of a barn - if we know you have a roleblocker we can help group think towards the solution.
If Espeo is mafia you should just tell us though, because than we'll totally lynch him and not you.-
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I'm cult because I know we're relying on scum to kill cult? Derp much?-
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Oh, wait, it's because I think you're CR and according to your town case on yourself (in toto) "everyone should know it's not you"-
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You seriously think I "jumped the gun" on putting in my input or hearing other people's input?
Sure - keep selling.-
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Oh, and if me saying 'let mafia sort it out' makes me obv. cult, than a week earlier when I unvoted because Magua wanted to talk more made me obv. maf/town, amirite? Man, this system is easy to use.-
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Wouldn't esp be confirmed not cult via lack of any kills other than scum and lack of kill on you?
I agree Nexus is prob. scum.-
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Espeonage = obv. SK
I thought Locke was scum yesterday and said as much when you asked then. I still hold the read.-
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By having cult cult me tonight and winning with them.-
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So let's see.
Nexus and Locke are prob scum.
Spy is cult or town.
Espeo is SK
Magua is cult.
So I'm down for lynching either the SK or one of the scum bags.
If cult open declares themselves we can lynch from the non claimed.
Then please cult me tonight.
Scum, please don't kill me tonight - you still need to get the CR first, killing me will just put you into kingmaker with SK or Spy, or lose it for you if Spy is CR.
That sounds like a good plan.-
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I want someone to declare cult - then I'll probably happily sheep them.-
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Magua wrote:You're in one of two situations:
Mafia shoots SpyreX: It's now you + me (town) vs Espeonage (SK) vs Nexus (mafia)
Mafia shoots me: It's now you + SpyreX (cult) vs Espeonage (SK) vs Nexus (mafia).
How do you win?
By being in the second setup and lynching Nexus.
Espeo has no kills left so then we lynch him and CUlt wins and I win - derpy doo.
Does that excite you for my answer?
By being in the first setup - it will actually be Thor (town) Magua (cult) Espeo (SK) and Nexus (mafia)
At that point we lynch Nexus and then no matter who we lynch I lose.
So, as I said, I win by becoming cult.-
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Vote: Locke Lamora
Six of one, half a dozen of another.
I'm just going to presume Magus is going (pssst, cult, *wink*) and go with that.-
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Do you have some cult related info I should know?
His kill makes no sense as cult.
His "bus" from Emp makes no sense as scum.
His claim of SK makes no sense as town.
He does make sense as an SK with limited kills, as silly as that sounds.-
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That he's an SK, as I believe.-
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Misleading the scum shot onto SK and away from actual Cult Leader...though I'll admit I'm not sure which is actually the better shot for scum right now. Guess it depends on whether you have one or two buddies currently. Either way, for you, it's better to get SK dead than CR dead - no brainer.-
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Other than the sarcasm, sure.
Though I'll add I never said whether or not I thought he was NK immune - I do think he does have some sort of limited kill situation though, otherwise he'd have been killing. That's not hard to figure out.
So if you don't want Espeo to be shot, but think he's cult, why should that tell me anything about you? That works just fine with you being cult and him as well, and at that point all you're doing is debating what flavor of scum he is which is meaningless to my situation if I want to win with cult - frankly it would help me if he was cult because I doubt scum are going to pop a shot at him regardless of if he is cult or SK.-
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