Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Andy, Faraday: Are we all moving to the secluded villa?
YES.
READING NOW SORRY I OVERSLEPT BIG TIMe.
But I had a flying dream so it was all good.
Lost Butterfly wrote:Yeah sure; fine with chilling with hito in the villa.
Lost Butterfly wrote:BTW if you're planning on coming to the villa make sure we can all try and get together at a convenient time for all of us and do stuff in 'almost real time'; it's totally awesome for scumhunting and something that needs to be utilised. I don't think that'll be a problem though for me since I'm Europe and kinda in the middle.
Lost Butterfly wrote:Stupid question, but is there a reason we can't just do the following:
-hito, Andrius, and LB move to Villa (within two or three rounds).
-We stay there for however many rounds it takes to strategize or communicate information or strategize.
-One of us moves to the door and unlocks it. (Disclaimer: I think I misunderstood how the door works. Let me PM zoraster.)
-A fourth player then joins to hear hito's plan.
-etc.
Zoraster: will all visitors to the Villa be able to read whatever posts were made before in the QT, for the rest of the game? Is there a new QT made every time a new arrival shows up?
Also, LLD, like Faraday said, why didn't you find Llamarble's similar stances townish? He also locked himself into a position.
hito wrote:I don't want anyone in the villa NOW. I want LB/myself/Andrius/whoever else in the Rageatorium. Reck is right in saying we have no particular reason to believe it's an all-town group. But when you take a group of people who can read each other very well, and let them aim doublevotes at each other, it tends to get business sorted out one way or the other pretty quickly.
We don't need to have Door Control before Villa. 3 people go in to the villa, one goes out to door control (I have a plan that should pretty much guarantee it's a townie - I don't want to get into details specifically, though I can say that if we could leave 'time capsules' with cryptography it would accomplish pretty much the same thing).
Potion Room and Tipping Point should be off limits because a.) Going for Potions leaves too much wiggle room for 'accidental' pileups at the Tipping Point and b.) I trust scum to have the coordination to get someone to Potions a hell of a lot more than I trust town.
In fact, as a general rule, the more complex a plan gets, the more likely it will only succeed with significant scum assistance, in which case we probably don't want it succeeding. I want LB and whoever they can read best (I don't believe I've seen Andrius as scum, so I don't know if he's always obvtown as town only, or just convincing no matter what) to saunter with me - not dash, saunter - leftwards. And I want anyone that is either default hard to read or looking scummy to stay on the Nexus for now and head for the fire on their last move. That's it.
I think LB and I should move each-other to Rageatorium. And Andrius and someone else should do the same. R2 or thereabouts we can get Fate/xRx/whoever those two can read well into the Rageatorium. Then we can do a little dance around door, rage, villa that is awesome and wonderful.
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Maruchan wrote:I think we should suggest moving EVERYBODY out of the Nexus/Rageatorium/SecludedVilla/Door switch, then lock every door around that 4-room line. Why? then the scum can't kill me to force-replace the door switch operator!!
^_^
This is wrong for the same reason as the Party Room plan.
zoraster wrote:Magua replaces Nicodemus
iiaun wrote:The Secluded Villa trio don't have the same issue, because that was at least partially arranged before anyone had role PMs so it's clearly not alignment based. But in general I think we should be figuring out how we want to arrange all the players without deciding who fills which role, and then use some kind of randomising method to decide who goes where.
Fate wrote:Insurance?: WHO NEEDS INSURANCE?
fate wrote:Sorta, but I faraday and andrius butt buddies kinda called dibs on that shit pre-game.
NS wrote:It offends me that A) you haven't read the rules and B) you didn't believe me when I told you what they were and STILL couldn't read them but had to run to the Mod for confirmation. But I'm in a really pissy mood today so.
Feysal wrote:Now don't you forget about me! Strategy is something I excel at, and I want in. No offense to hito, but in Stars Aligned III the cult worked around and punched loopholes into his plans for much of the game, and Andrius should remember I was responsible for much of that. I'm not going to miss out on this chance to do what I do best.
Feysal wrote:The Secluded Villa serves another purpose I've not seen anyone mention yet: claiming. Our power roles will want to share their information for it to be useful, but they won't want flashing neon signs over their heads saying "I'm a power role, kill me!" In the Secluded Villa they will have the chance to at least claim to reasonably trusted players, and if it results in their death... it tells us someone in the villa was probably not worthy of being trusted.
Feysal wrote:To give an example, my mafia buddy hitogoroshi somehow talked Andrius into lying for him in Court of the Gods. Excuse me if I don't take your ability to read each other accurately for granted.
Plum wrote:What the hell are Maru and Klazam doing moving each other around now?
plum wrote:hitogoroshi wrote:
I think LB and I should move each-other to Rageatorium. And Andrius and someone else should do the same. R2 or thereabouts we can get Fate/xRx/whoever those two can read well into the Rageatorium. Then we can do a little dance around door, rage, villa that is awesome and wonderful.
Hey, Andrius???
plum wrote:YOU ARE POSTING PAGES WORTH WHILE I'M TRUDING THROUGH THIS, AREN'T YOU? There are now ten pages. Yeah.
NS wrote:I don't like that Fate is trying to be obvtown, and that he's in the Panic Room
plum wrote:OH AND SDC WOULDN''T PULL THE WOOL OVER EYES OF OTHERS? I mean seriously, do I have to frrakking explain this one and how disingenuous you're being?
plum wrote:Amrun - I'd like to go to the rage because it looked like someone was wanted under Hito's plan to cycle through it and the Villa to complement Andrius, and I'd be fine with that. I like Andrius and I think I'd be decent at reading him.
Nobody Special wrote:I would venture to say that Reck and Plum are of different alignments. Now if I could only tell which was which.
I guess it'll be more evident as the game goes on.
tclaw wrote:Why is Fate in the Panic room again? And why did we let this happen? No one should be in that room right now.
Klazam wrote:tclawren wrote:
Why is Fate in the Panic room again? And why did we let this happen? No one should be in that room right now.
I agree, but seemingly others have other ideas...
Amrun wrote:tclawren, WHY is Maruchan obvious town? Because he offered himself up? That is 100% null.
llamarble wrote:Fate disappearing is... bizarre. He's up to shenanigans and I am doubting they're pro-town shenanigans.
llamarble wrote:I get vanillized after 2 scum are dead or two guilties, which is why I want Magua dead ASAP (I can then go potion up).
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Llamarble wrote:Could also be SK who has 'go through doors' powers.
Also true. Especially if Fate himself is behind the "kidnap".
Fate wrote:who if I'm guessing right can only kidnap one person at a time so were safe till I die on N4 (n5 was an example zor gave me, its the night I was taken+3)
Fate wrote:A new suspect approaches!
He is quite focused and concerned with painting me as the evil mastermiind self-kidnapper!
Fufuffufufufufu oh aaaaaanDRIUUUSSSSSS
YOU GOT SOMETHIN TO HIDE?
Llamarble wrote:Disappearing for 3 days then dying would A: be really weird and B: mean a lot of non-town-initiated kills.
I think we make Fate claim what he's been up to.
Acting really cryptic and THEN disappearing under suspicious circumstances may be worth trying to lynch him / trying to move him to Monastery.
tclaw wrote:scum moves were
Llamarble to Campfire (insured?)
Nautilius to Tipping Point (insured?)
Soda to Tipping Point (insured?)
Llamarble to Tipping Point
Zajnet to Tipping Point
The bolded is interesting. Zor didn't say that Naut and Soda went to campfire and then Tipping Point. He just said Tipping Point. This makes me think scum have a person that can move people two rooms at a time.
In post 1617, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:So there's a role that digs these tunnels?
Hmmmm...
OH.
Um, Andrius. Can you check for tunnels? Can you check in the Panic Room for a tunnel?
llama wrote:
Okay, that makes sense out of things and is cool.
How much do you know about the passage digger?
Does it happen at night or during day?
Does it cost them chits?
Zajnet wrote:
I have a proposal.
I'll move Andy to the Nexus if he'll move me to the Tipping point. If I don't end up in the tipping point, he's probably lying scum and we can lynch him.
In post 1624, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:@Andrius: Please out and claim all currently existing tunnels that you have found.
In post 1627, Maruchan wrote:Maybe digging Tunnels costs chits comparable to how many rooms they have to bypass? Also, I then say we try moving Fate to the Panic Room, and also we need to look to see who had alot of un-counted chits in D1 that could have been digging tunnels.
In post 1632, Fate wrote:Hey scum can you build a tunnel to me in this here kidnaped room?
TURNS OUT IM YOUR TRAITOR
>_>
<_<
COME SAVE ME PL0X
In post 1751, Llamarble wrote:Fate died in the SV.
In post 1745, zoraster wrote:NIGHT 2 RESOLUTION
Fate's Vanilla Townie corpse was found in the Secluded Villa. He is dead.
In post 1808, Llamarble wrote:In post 1807, Nautilius wrote:
Why is hito town? Is it all of the massive contributions he's been making lately? Or perhaps his simply amazing reads list? The brilliant strategy he was supposed to form in the villa?
...
Also, I think it's time to move people out of the SV now. We literally have had nothing from LLD so far, and now she's disappearing in there? Why is hito still in there? What have we gotten from ANY of the Secluded Villa people? Absolutely nothing.
Zajnet begging his ass off to go into potions is a bit odd, but is a little too blatant for me to call it coming from scum.
This post did the awesome echoes of things that have been bothering me thing.
Also the guy who was supposed to EZ read Hito for sure now happens to be dead.