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DemonHybrid wrote:I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row. We can PoE through them if need be, but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.
Why are you setting us up for two specific lynches?
Asking somebody to explain their read isn't any kind of tell at all. Don't be that person.-
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Vifam wrote:projectmatt wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row. We can PoE through them if need be, but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.
Why are you setting us up for two specific lynches?
Asking somebody to explain their read isn't any kind of tell at all. Don't be that person.
Why is David scum?
At least bother to answer the question that started DH's derp vote on Xeras.
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No.
I'm saying that the fact that this happened:
Followed by this:
within the span of 5 minutes is fucking weird, and that I don't think that the BOTH of them could be town.
..Why? If a player says that "we should quicklynch player x, he's mafia!", the expected response to such a question is why? Both town and scum would be curious as to why somebody said this. Explain the scum motivation.-
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My bad. Your logic is still a tad illogical though.
DemonHybrid wrote:Good news is, I was wrong about me finding it weird and Xeras/Vifam are probably town. See how magical RVS is?
I don't like this post. Did Xeras and Vifam objectively towntell to you, or did they just prove that you were attacking them based off of faulty logic? Why are they now town reads?-
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Just in case you didn't know, the vote on David wasn't a "joke". It was a pressure builder and an attempt to get the discussion out of RVS.
I'm not going to jot down a list of my reads because I would be lying if I told you I had a specific scum read.
With that being said..
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@Sunset: I do not do catch-up post. Kinda useless to make a stand on something that has already ended imo.-
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Fail reaction is fail.
Reaction towhat?You also didn't tell me why you had a scum read on me because I silently voted Vifam on page one. Why did you find that post scummy?
DH is scum for being paranoid? wat?
DH is scummy for setting up two specific lynches and using poor logic to tunnel. Did you read?
WIFOM.
HOW IN GOD'S NAME DOES THAT POST EVEN HAVE SLIGHT CORRELATIONS TO THE CONCEPT OF WIFOM?
BACKPEDAL HARDCORE
Have you ever seen a player get a solid scum read on page one, when the player who is getting attacked has only made one post? Yeah, I don't think so. You know very well that it's not a backpedal.
Yeah um no. You trying to falsify info here. Scum you try and exploit it. DH had a good reaction coming off of it so: fail
I don't get this.
Thinking hurts your head? kay. Nice WIFOM again.
First of all, you should look up what "wifom" means. Secondly, logic that makes no sense whatsoever that was used to justify somebody as town "hurt my head". Where do you even..
Says the non contributor.
KDCA FOR COME BACK OF THE YEAR 11'
and this cam NEARLY 100 POSTS LATER!
lurklurklurklruk HEY I'LL FAKEVOTE BUNNY FOR LULZ
Your first post didn't come until one hundred and seventy seven full posts! It's not like you have human needs like eating, sleeping or not being on the computer every single minute of your life. This really is..
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Vifam was RVS. AND you stopped playing around with the David vote, you said yourself. Look, He says he sees the OMGUS meaning he NOTED it. AND WHAT DO YOU DO? "OBVSCUM GOGOGOGOGOGOGO"
What's important to note is that I had no specific read on David when I posted "david is scum. quicklynch him" or whatever. As I explained many times, the vote was a vote for pressure and to get discussion out of RVS. You seem to view it as "being scum scum and attempting to quicklynch whoever says anything against me". That's not the case. It just isn't.
Better than you. He fosed 2 different people and voted one. your point?
NO. Saying "I fos x and x for (insert something very illogical here)" is not pro-town in any way, shape or form. It's just trying to sound pro-town. It's not good.
With a straight face type down you weren't trying to WIFOM there. Simply put going of the origin of the phrase: You're trying to confuse poeple by saying "what kind of man am i? Why do YOU think I suspected him?" Then they try to Meta you to figure it out and it hurt their heads buying you time to sneak a lynch. GREAT TRY THOO. not.
Or, I was trying to get the discussion out of RVS and I was asking Vifam questions so he could say something interesting and get us out faster.
you tried to push a case and a lynch, then you say "fair enough"? that's not a backpedal?
I didn't try to push a case. My only thing that called David was the ONE post where I voted him. I said "fair enough" and unvoted once enough people had stopped being silly and started playing very seriously. Read my posts.
Scum would try to exploit something from this. It wasn't DH because of his reaction so it must be another person and you were one of the if not the only person(s) to twist it upon DH sooo..
Nice try scum.
I don't get this.
"So how do you think scum would act Xeras?" is what i see there. sneaky backdoor WIFOM.
That's not WIFOM. It's a legitimate question that I want him to answer. And even if it was WIFOM, it's not scummy.
A. No one PM'd me that the game had started until today. (razzafrazza bowser razza)
You missed the point. You tried to twist the fact that I didn't post for one hundred posts into being a bad thing. It means that I was doing something that wasn't pertaining to the internet.
Your logic is terrible. I'm helping the town by retorting it and showing everyone how twisted it is.
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Um, matt, I certainly didn't set up a lynch. In fact, I was never committed and I noted that specifically.
When you were seen as very scummy, that's what you were doing. You were going "there is one scum between x and x, and we should lynch one today, and if he doesn't flip scum we should get the other tomorrow." You get the point.
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I've enjoyed watching him dig this hole.. I'd like to see what he unearths when he starts flailing again that deep down.
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I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row.We can PoE through them if need be,but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.
Read the underlined. That's inadvertently setting up two specific lynches. I didn't claim you were one hundred percent committed. I'm saying at that point, I read you as scum for using bad logic in order to justify two possible lynches.-
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Not going to quote everything on David's wall. Just some notes:
1. My first vote was an OMGUS in the silliest form, because we were in the middle of page on in RVS.
2. So, what you are trying to say is that I got worried that you called me out for OMGUS'ing, decided to declare you an obvious scum to try to get you lynched, and then I decided to screw with Vifam by saying "why do you think I called David scum?".
The very simple fact that is that I was trying to pressure David and get people to play SERIOUSLY. I don't understand why this is very difficult to grasp.-
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Yeah, I'm done. KDCA is resorting to petty insults and apparently fails to grasp the idea of a vote for reaction. If I say someone is scum, it is then my dedicated read. A+
Also, it's scummy to FOS people FOR NO REASON AT ALL or if it has NO LOGIC WHATSOEVER. Like what you are doing right now. With that being said, I like to think you are scum so I can excuse this ...logic.
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stormer wrote:From my POV this wagon is down in priority from RBT's, Isa has actually made posts now and generally played better now than RBT, honestly that 'if your scum vote me' just did it for me, i mean who would post that and i think we're still waiting on a claim from RBT...
I feel like lynching the stupid players over the super scummy players is a bad policy. Making content still doesn't show that someone is town. Not making content and playing terribly makes it sound like Rice is just a VI who doesn't know how to play at all.
Rice, do you have any reads, or commentary, or anything at all? If you don't, I will vote you. Give me content. Give me something.-
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Isa wrote:Projectmatt, point me to what I've done that's super scummy, then read #274 and tell me if I have something to clarify.
Unvote
Scratch it. I ISO'd you again and missed several things that jumped out to me as plausible town. I'm going to go get an actual scum read on a player now. One moment.
Riceballtail wrote:projectmatt wrote:Rice, do you have any reads, or commentary, or anything at all? If you don't, I will vote you. Give me content. Give me something.
I've been giving reads, but just in case you haven't noticed.
DH and Isa are scum. BL is prob town.
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Jake is scummy.
TheJakalope wrote:Yeah, sorry about my inactivity. I'm having a hard time gaining interest in this game.
I'll give a few quick reads while I'm here.
Isa and Kcdaspot - Town
Vifam, Suneset - Neutral
RBT, diddin - Scum (RBT much more then diddin)
Several problems with this post: he doesn't elaborate onwhyany of these players are scum or why they are town. And while this has been pointed out, there isno reasonwhatsoever to randomly list two players as null when there are 22 players in the game and we can assume that the players you don't list as scum or town are, well, null.
TheJakalope wrote:Alright, well RBT is lynch priority #1 today because of his bullshit "Vote for me if you're scum".
I'll do an ISO on diddin and see what I can present.
Seven hours later..
TheJakalope wrote:Ok, so turns out, diddin's ISO is pretty uneventful. I'm not sure if I got this game mixed up or what, but I don't have scum read on him anymore.
I just feel like he's stalling. A lot. I don't know how you can "mix up" a player that you mark as super scummy two posts ago and claim they are from another game. This also further shows that Jaka isn't actually scumhunting, he just has a scum read on RBT. Or is it actually a read?
TheJakalope wrote:However, RBT has done jack shit to defend himself, and so VOTE: RBT.
He doesn't say that not defending yourself is scummy, he just says that he isn't defending himself, therefore, he should be voted. He promised to make new content three days ago, and I'm waiting on that. Don't end the day yet. Don't hammer yet. I think we have some more discussion in us.-
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In post 644, Kcdaspot wrote:SDGAFSGDFGDSFASDG AND WHERE THE FUCK IS PROJECTMATT.
I just got back from labor day things.
I think Hoppster, Vifam, KDCA and hiplop(?) are town. I think Jake, Diddin and a player whom I haven't figured out yet are certainly scum. If you want me to explain these town reads, then I will. Otherwise I'm going to not elaborate on my town tells because my reads are generally ignored anyway.-
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In post 690, WeyounsLastClone wrote:Am I really the only one who finds DH suspicious?
Make a larger case and I'll re-consider it. I've been getting "whatever" vibes from him all game. Jake and Diddin are a probable scumteam at the moment. Diddin for betraying his read on Bunny in favor of lynching him and avoiding the Jake wagon, and for stating he wants to lynch Bunny more with no legitimate reason.-
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In post 728, TheJakalope wrote:In post 713, chkflip wrote:CHK's Jaka Case
1]] You will not convince me that this is a town-motivated way of asking for a claim. First, he fluff-notes that RBT is L-1 for town credit. Then he moves on to unvote, therefore placing RBT at L-2... and then asks him to claim? No. That's not pro-town. That's not a town post at all. Period.
2]] He never offers insight as to why he felt RBT was being scummy; instead, he states first that RBT and diddin are scummy (which he later retracts about diddin) with a few town and neutral reads he also had (which I feel is fluff filler to look pro-town), then takes a beef with RBT's play-style without actually elaborating as to why he feels it's scummy in the first place. The only elaboration therein, at all, is the fact that "I give up as scum," which automatically means that RBT was scum because they had given up? Obviously not.
3]] This is an entirely baseless accusation.
That's all I have time for for now, though these are (I feel) pretty strong points leaning toward The Scumalope.
1. I unvote to prevent a quickhammer and request a claim, since I believe there was someone willing to hammer.
2. All you did was explain my explanation for RBT lynching.
3. What are you even talking about? This actually happens.
Excellent deflection. You essentially just said "NO U" instead of actually promising that you will post real content. Honestly, Jake. You're posting to defend yourself. I want your lynch.-
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In post 751, Isa wrote:I support the wagon on Jakalope (though I'm doubtful if it'll result in something) but come on folks, DIDDIN NEEDS VOTES.
manho, show me your support for lynching this scum. The rest of you as well.
If you are doubtful it will result in anything, why do you support it? I agree, also. Diddin is scum. So is Jake. I'm still working out who the other scum are, but those are my top reads. Isa, what are your other scum reads?-
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In post 833, TheJakalope wrote:WLC today, and chkflip tomorrow. Looking good.
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In post 1025, chkflip wrote:Okay scum. Good to know your opinion.
In post 1027, chkflip wrote:Meh. I don't think he's scum, but we might not lynch if we don't lynch him.
VOTE: diddin
Don't you think not lynching town is more important then not lynching at all? Why did you snarlingly call Vifam scum for suggesting we lynch Diddin and then do it yourself?
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I want Diddin to post more before I decide if he's legitimately mafia, but I have a question: Why does Diddin being town make Xeras scum? I understand the scum theory, however, not the scum.
If both of Jake's theories equate to Xeras being scum regardless of alignment, I don't understand why he's pushing for an Xeras lynch. Demon's rage is also town as hell, by the way.-
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I'm prod dodging before I receive a prod because I'm awesome.
I don't know what to say because I want Diddin to talk about his motivations and thoughts more before I conclude that he is mafia, but he hasn't posted in fucking ages so I can't read him. Hiplop and Demon are my strongest town reads at the moment.-
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In post 1157, DemonHybrid wrote:WLC AND VIFAM ARE TOWN.
Can we put our votes on someone who's actually scum please
Like who?
@KDCA, I thought I was your top scum suspect.-
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Hi, Implosion. Nice to see you on forum mafia. Why don't you look for that answer yourself and return to us with your results?
Also, I'm not sold on Sunset being scum at all. Maybe I fall for these things way too easily, but I found it very curious that one person from the hydra gave a scum read on me, and then the other hydra decided to correct him and say that I was town. It was just some kind of bi-polar change of opinion that I don't understand why scum would logically perform. Need to look back and get actual scum reads.-
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In post 1209, Kcdaspot wrote:In post 1207, projectmatt wrote:Hi, Implosion. Nice to see you on forum mafia. Why don't you look for that answer yourself and return to us with your results?
Also, I'm not sold on Sunset being scum at all. Maybe I fall for these things way too easily,but I found it very curious that one person from the hydra gave a scum read on me, and then the other hydra decided to correct him and say that I was town. It was just some kind of bi-polar change of opinion that I don't understand why scum would logically perform. Need to look back and get actual scum reads.
every time i leave your wagon it's because someone else is legitimately more scummier or someone has made a really good point for someone's lynch.
AND EVERY TIME I DO YOU ALWAYS SHOVE A FENCEPOST UP YOUR ASS AND YOU BECOME SCUMMY AS FUCK.
GOD DAMMIT. STOP IT.
SOLID READS. NOW.
I explained where I thought Sunset towntold. I'm working on solid reads. I'm not going to out something I'm 100% confident in. I was able to peg Diddin as scum but only after a while because I tend to acquire reads fairly slowly.
Also, I'm town, but I think it's pretty fun you aren't going to play with me again if I am scum. I mean, if you play with me again and I'm unlynchable, I have to be scum one of those times~-
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In post 1214, Kcdaspot wrote:In post 1213, projectmatt wrote:]
I explained where I thought Sunset towntold. I'm working on solid reads. I'm not going to out something I'm 100% confident in.
44 PAGES IN.
THE LOAD ISN'T GETTING LIGHTER.
DH: TELL ME YOU SEE THIS.
TELL ME I'M NOT ALONE.
Because the issue of a Sunset lynch and why I would not be sheeping it was brought up I officially elaborated on what held me back.-
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In post 1218, Kcdaspot wrote:In post 167, projectmatt wrote:Sunset
THE ONLY OTHER TIME YOU MENTION SUNSET.
VOTE: PROJECTMATT
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASDGDFSSDGAGSDFHDRTGJSRFJRHNRFJHSWGJSDRFT
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In post 1224, Kcdaspot wrote:YOU "OFFICIALLY ELABORATED"WHERESUNSETTOWNTOLD
GAME MUTHAFUCKING OVER.
YOU DISTANCED HARDCORE ON A ALREADY SCUMMY SLOT AND WHEN HE'S BROUGHT UP? "HE'S TOWN LOL"
BYE PROJECTMATT
FINALLY
OH SO FINALLY
I LYNCH YOU AND YOU ARE SCUM
SWEET SWEET VICTORY.
No, you're wrong.
I didn't say Sunset WAS TOWN, I said that Sunset TOWNTOLD. There is a difference between a
A. towntell - something that someone does that makes you think they are town.
B. townread - someone you are sure is town.
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In post 1241, Kcdaspot wrote:In post 1233, Xeras wrote:After putting Matt in iso, I can see some scumminess behind his posts.
Unvote,
Vote ProjectMatt
That being said, I still suspect Manho.
this happened in 15 minutes? noted.
PEDIT: Panic more. It isn't. and you've never answered WHY YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED THIS UP TIL NOW.
PPEDIT: SCUM CLAIM
...Where do you see a claim of any kind? Listen to my fucking logic and stop being sure that you're right. I want a logical explanation. I'm having trouble swallowing that I'm getting wagoned on because I pointed out a towntell on another player.-
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TheJakalope - Town because of his claim and because of his enthusiasm and leading personality after he claimed.
Kcdaspot - Probably town just because he towntells over and over and over.
chkflip - Probably town for actually attempting to contribute.
DemonHybrid - Also probably town, switch on my wagon was bizarre though.
Xeras - Scum. See few latest posts.
hiplop - Town.
WeyounsLastClone - Also scum.
manho - Not sure.
Sunset - Lean town, IDK.
Vifam - Town?
Warrior- Probable scum for not paying enough attention to look at the first page and see what RBT has flipped. I'm interested in later content, though.
David Xanatos - Probably scum.
I'm not even sure who I left out. Those are just my top reads from the players that come to my head. I have four probable scum in there, I probably misread a lot.-
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projectmatt Mafia Scum
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