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Thanks Prozac. Now, as to finding and lynching scum, I must apologize. At this moment in time, I don't have a clue who is alligned with the bad guys. I hope you'll understand this, and I'm going to do my very best to change this situation.
This leaves out of game effects. I'm aware that this game isn't isolated, and that the outside does have an influence. You might find this awkward, but I assure you, it's only natural. I'm mostly talking about meta then, because I'm sure we are all against alliances and vendetta's getting into this social game of sharp minds. I have another apology to make, since I won't be able to profit as much from experience in playing with you, simply because I haven't played with most of you. I'll hope I can get a read on the guys I don't know soon enough, but I promise nothing.
And this completes all I know about the game right now. I don't think it will help anyone, but it's a way to start the game. I hope everybody will have fun this game.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Nocmen wrote:mykonian's post, with this playerlist, makes me ask the following questions about meta, to all of the players.
1. How often do you feel you use meta as an argument in Mafia?
2. Do you prefer proactive (using as a reason to investigate a player's actions) or reactive (using to backup/contradict what a player did) meta?
3. How often are you to research meta on a player whose meta you don't know in the game?
4. Do you prefer to use meta to defend a player as being town, or attack them for being scum?
1. Never. Meta is a difficult subject to argue with.
2. I really have no idea what you mean here. I need to know what kind of person is on the other side of a post to understand why he's making that post. Without meta, reads on people are inaccurate.
3. Too little. Though as you can understand from the above, there is little benefit in rereading. I benefit more from talking outside of the game (before the game actually starts), so I know what kind of person is playing. The same can be done from games I played in, but if I'm rereading, I usually can't feel what that person thought making a post, or assess how the game went.
4. Both are ok. If I know more then the rest of the game about someone's allignment, I'll talk about it.
Nice questions, btw. Usually RQS's start with sillyer questions.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Blackberry wrote:2: He is asking Fate for a legit reason to vote Katsuki... what townie does this? Mafia lookin' for a reason to join the bandwagon.
QFT. Quite a bit on the passive side.vote nocmen
I could also see this as buddying/supporting a buddy, btw. But unnatural it is in any case.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Fate wrote:Unvote:
Vote: Nocmen
This is exactly what I had in mind, we run up scum get their fakeclaims and all that jazz, and THEN we lynch Katsuki.
Yes yes exactly as planned.
Don't be a pussy Fate. Three more for the lynch. No time for your petty feud with Kat, we are lynching scum this game.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Fate wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: KATSUKI
YOU GUYS
THOUGHT
I
WAS
KIDDING
Wuss.
But ok, Noc's name seems to be the flavour millery thing a mod could give to a VT.
Sigh.unvote vote KatIt's late now, I'll investigate the wagon properly tomorrow. It was lightning quick, so I don't know what one can find from the placement. Reasons given etc might be a better start.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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xRECKONERx wrote:lol fuck mykonian
he just calls me scum in literally EVERY GAME and happens to get lucky most of the time
well not this time
Anyone who's like RECK SO SCUMMEH FOR USING FLAVOR fuck you go read PBT 2
I'm "lucky" again, aren't I.
No reck, you are just quite obvious as scum. And we know using flavor isn't scummy. Which is why I'm not voting you for that In fact, only Fate tried to use that tell. Are you scared of Fate?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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dramonic wrote:wagon hopping like a bitch, overly careful formulation intent to avoid provocation early on, trying to pressure Fate's vote (good luck on THAT one), deflection of his own attack onto Fate too.
He probably can't explain his own votes.
You assume too much.Don't see how wagon hopping is actually a tell. (I can totally explain why the opposite is, which is why reck is scum btw), the first post was over the top andwow did you catch that!. I'm totally allowed to try to push fate around if that is any help to me, and I'm totally clueless what "deflection of his own attack onto fate" means.
so if dramonic would be so kind to shut up when he talks about things he doesn't understand, I'd be very pleased. (yes, this means you apparently don't have a clue why I'm voting, and this is your problem, not mine.)Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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mykonian wrote:dramonic wrote:wagon hopping like a bitch, overly careful formulation intent to avoid provocation early on, trying to pressure Fate's vote (good luck on THAT one), deflection of his own attack onto Fate too.
He probably can't explain his own votes.
You assume too much.Don't see how wagon hopping is actually a tell. (I can totally explain why the opposite is, which is why reck is scum btw), the first post was over the top andwow did you catch that!. I'm totally allowed to try to push fate around if that is any help to me, and I'm totally clueless what "deflection of his own attack onto fate" means.
so if dramonic would be so kind to shut up when he talks about things he doesn't understand, I'd be very pleased. (yes, this means you apparently don't have a clue why I'm voting, and this is your problem, not mine.)
Reading is tech. So, do you really want theory why someone leaving their vote is scum?
dramonic wrote:Strictly speaking, the thoughts behind your vote on Reck matter very little to me anyways because I already noticed what I attribute to scum motivations in most of your earlier posts.
Furthermore, if you feel so terribly assaulted because I think you're scum and it gives you an incontrollable need to devolve into personal attacks, you might want to consider replacing out.
1. Get it to the mod, and 2. You're a grownup, and a particulary stupid one. Don't blame me for telling you.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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dramonic wrote:Berry, stop rolefishing.
Oh... did somebody attack reck again? I seriously hope you don't do this conciously, but you are doing nothing but protecting reck. Even to the point of asking someone to replace out (which has never happened to me before in all those years). Play the game like it's supposed to be played and try to lynch scum Dram, or don't play at all.
xRECKONERx wrote:TheJakalope wrote:Bogre wrote:Fate wrote:I'm pretty sure you just claimed scum,
aka
LOL
CONFIRM VOTE: BOGRE
Yeah, no totally. I'm scum, guys. <----
Fate....do you read? I asked if your only reason for voting me was because YOU THOUGHT I'd confirm him on a flip, NOT saying I -would- confirm him, lol. Namely because I won't, because I won't flip scum.
DERP
VOTE: Bogre
Reck is looking like a good possible lynch today as well.
Unvote; Vote: TheJakalope
This is not a town post.
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xRECKONERx wrote:mykonian, saying dram is protecting me is a bit over the line and I'd appreciate you backing off of our personal life since it's not something I like brought up. Dram & I have no real association anymore, and insinuating we do is only going to create problems.
PS, you should fuck right off with your OMGUS bullshit because you've still yet to give a single reason for anything you've done.
I say what I see. From the moment I attack you dram hardcore tunnels and even asks me to replace out of the game. Nobody has ever done that. I don't care what your personal life is doing, dram isn't acting natural there.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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mykonian wrote:mykonian wrote:dramonic wrote:wagon hopping like a bitch, overly careful formulation intent to avoid provocation early on, trying to pressure Fate's vote (good luck on THAT one), deflection of his own attack onto Fate too.
He probably can't explain his own votes.
You assume too much.Don't see how wagon hopping is actually a tell. (I can totally explain why the opposite is, which is why reck is scum btw), the first post was over the top andwow did you catch that!. I'm totally allowed to try to push fate around if that is any help to me, and I'm totally clueless what "deflection of his own attack onto fate" means.
so if dramonic would be so kind to shut up when he talks about things he doesn't understand, I'd be very pleased. (yes, this means you apparently don't have a clue why I'm voting, and this is your problem, not mine.)
Reading is tech. So, do you really want theory why someone leaving their vote is scum?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Oman wrote:HOLY SHIT This new idea of "if I just state my views as an idea" i.e. "Elli is town, reck is scum" or whatever, then it's good enough, is fucking bullshit. Fate's doing it but he is functionally retarded, everyone else is doing it that has no fucking excuse. Everyone that is post their THEORIES on who is or isn't on what side at page EFFING TEN as fact is being lazy and pointless and more often than not gambling. Quit being lazy and post some goddamn facts and analysis or fuck right off.
Oman, be sensible. Meta changes, and apparently there has been a change here. You don't have to adapt, but at least you can accept it. Because I've seen it work, multiple times.
Fate has the benefit that people sheep him anyway, so sure, some people could do something about their end-day convincing (hi elli), but I think it works.
This does mean that you have to have to adapt your scumhunting a little. Now, if you weren't so lazy not to do this, you'd have a much more enjoyable game.
For example, the post below is still horridly bad. I know it's bad. And I can make a 3 sentence discription that still doesn't catch why I think it's bad. I much rather quote it and say that I think Bunny is scum, which catches my meaning a lot better (I read the post, and it felt really scummy). If you can't see it, either you ask me to try my best at explaining it, or you vote me because you really disagree with me. I really don't see the problem.
Bunnylover wrote:xRECKONERx wrote:NO don't you buddy me
If I was to buddy anyone, that person would be Fate.
Your first post was what I thought, but like in every other game,I never have the confidence to start a wagon =/.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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mykonian wrote:mykonian wrote:mykonian wrote:dramonic wrote:wagon hopping like a bitch, overly careful formulation intent to avoid provocation early on, trying to pressure Fate's vote (good luck on THAT one), deflection of his own attack onto Fate too.
He probably can't explain his own votes.
You assume too much.Don't see how wagon hopping is actually a tell. (I can totally explain why the opposite is, which is why reck is scum btw), the first post was over the top andwow did you catch that!. I'm totally allowed to try to push fate around if that is any help to me, and I'm totally clueless what "deflection of his own attack onto fate" means.
so if dramonic would be so kind to shut up when he talks about things he doesn't understand, I'd be very pleased. (yes, this means you apparently don't have a clue why I'm voting, and this is your problem, not mine.)
Reading is tech. So, do you really want theory why someone leaving their vote is scum?
Open your mind and put this post in it.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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xRECKONERx wrote:So because I'm doing the opposite of wagon hopping, I'm scum.
Good to know you're functionally retarded, or scum. Or both.
Lynch away.
Am I really going to have to explainvoteparking. You are really going to keep this "mykonian is retarded" bullshit up, aren't you?
So we got a big wagon. Everybody is on it. Even gets to L-1. Claim. General consensus is that it is probably a townie claim, and the wagon was insanely fast anyway, so people unvote.
And then? Something new has to be found. And that is hard, isn't it, scum? So you park on Noc, waiting for something to happen.
Jeez, that I have to explain this stuff.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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xRECKONERx wrote:Hahahahahaha. I "voteparked" on Nocmen when the game had been open less than 24 hours.
Luckily, you made yourself incredibly obvious scum, so I don't have to "votepark" on Nocmen anymore.
24 hours was enough for you. Keep laughing scum. It isn't a joke.
Oh hi dram. Yes you thought my first post was scummy. You started tunneling right at the point where I voted reck. (quoted your next post hereunder)
BTW, why is/was reck town?
dramonic wrote:mykonian wrote:that's odd. My reckdar is bleeping.
scum again?unvote vote reck
Fate, we can get another scum to claim. And then we hammer. Because you know just as well as I do that Kat is really town.
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*cricket*
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xRECKONERx wrote:24 hours was enough for me?
That's your rebuttal?
Oh my god.
Is the above supposed to argue for something or do the question marks imply you don't know?
anyway, we got a L-1 wagon in that time, so I have no clue why you would think that voteparking would be impossible in that timeframe (and you clearly kept it on noc simply because it was easier)Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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I esspecially liked quote 1 and 3. The L-1-on-page-4-but-I-suspect-other-people-too, and the "at least noc is making the effort", which feels like making up/buddying up and was pretty useless.
Futher, BB is my top town read and I trust him.
This quote: "Blackberry is highly unwilling to commit. To wagons, to voting other people, and lets other people lead. "
is really funny. How many wagons were lead till now? It's a 20 player game with just 11 players. The above is just OMGUS, you never cared about BB until he voted you.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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xRECKONERx wrote:I thought my vote was on mykonian, WTF.
Unvote; Vote: mykonian
Jakalope is still a good lynch, but mykonian is scummier for his obvious attempt to easywagon me, then just scrambling to come up with reasons why I'm scum after getting called on it.
Maybe you are an easywagon because you are scum?
And you needed multiple times to read the answer I had posted earlier. Keep up the lies Reck.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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xRECKONERx wrote:I thought my vote was on mykonian, WTF.
Unvote; Vote: mykonian
Jakalope is still a good lynch, but mykonian is scummier for his obvious attempt to easywagon me, then just scrambling to come up with reasons why I'm scum after getting called on it.
A second thought: since when are you an easy wagon?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Fate was the only one voicing suspicion. He didn't join the wagon.
I really fail to see your point why you are a victim here.
PS. I had to look up the word "ingrate". Ungrateful person, really? I don't think I need to thank you. You are crying caught scum, for the third time in a row. Call it luck again and cry all you want.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Oversoul wrote:Fate wrote:WHOA IM LOOKIN AT DAT PLAYERLIST AND IM LIEK: U IZ HER?scoobyCSLOversoul
What does that mean? ._.
Also, Bogre is at L-1. Please claim now.
Why aren't Myo and BB scum?
A quick look at the votecount revealed, not only that Oversoul isn't voting either BB or me, he is on a wagon where we both are on.
So, our dear oversoul apparently doesn't have real problems with us, still he wants that Fate puts BB and me in the scummy catagory. Something isn't right here.
unvote vote Oversoul
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xRECKONERx wrote:Less votes on Bogre, more on mykonian please.
zero reasons... you disappoint me reck. I thought you promised oman you wereoldschool.
Oh and I know you've given reasons for voting me. It's a shame they change with every post. Last time I attacked you because you were an easy target (lol), and sheeped the general sentiment (apparently only formed by Fate).
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Nocmen wrote:mykonian wrote:xRECKONERx wrote:OH MAN LOOK HOW SCUMMY I AM
So you knew you were not supposed to be doing that. Can we have reasons why you did vote bogre?
And why did you unvote Bogre when he's on L-1 before a claim?
Because I did like the wagon, but it isn't my preferred lynch. So I see no reason to force a claim which might not help us at all.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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scooby wrote:In the meanwhileVote: mykonian.for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)
Well, I know for a fact your vote fails. Please explain to me why voteparking isn't a tell. (or what kind of definition you have when you use that word)Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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scooby wrote:mykonian wrote:Nocmen wrote:mykonian wrote:xRECKONERx wrote:OH MAN LOOK HOW SCUMMY I AM
So you knew you were not supposed to be doing that. Can we have reasons why you did vote bogre?
And why did you unvote Bogre when he's on L-1 before a claim?
Because I did like the wagon, but it isn't my preferred lynch. So I see no reason to force a claim which might not help us at all.
What is this? There are 10 people voting Bogre and somehow you don't think a clam might not help because he is not your "preferred" lynch?
Someone vig this clown.
You claimhappy people. You learn it in the newby games: don't claim when unnecessary, it will only help scum. Running one up who I don't want to lynch counts.
Reck and you just prove the point. Idiots who think that lots of people on a wagon means that there has to be an L-1 claim. It's stupid and pointless. You claim when there is somebody willing to hammer.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Blackberry wrote:Myko, do you like bread?
Not anymore. I used to, but I start without breakfast now. I've eaten too much bread in my earlier years.
scooby wrote:mykonian wrote:scooby wrote:In the meanwhileVote: mykonian.for the lamest reason ever to vote someone. (voteparking lolfail)
Well, I know for a fact your vote fails. Please explain to me why voteparking isn't a tell. (or what kind of definition you have when you use that word)
I don't see the scum motivation. Maybe you can ellaborate why you think it's a tell?.
Let's assume Nocmen is town. Why would Reckscum insist on the wagon with a so-so case when it disintegrated and when there were like million other places to vote?
Because it's easier to stay on a wagon, then to find something new and maybe facing a lot of people disagreeing with you, the certainty that your new adversary will feel OMGUS feelings etc. Further, you have to give some believable reasons, and in the worst case, have to defend because people think you are wagonning someone. There are plenty of dangers for scum when they switch.
And you seriously never heard about the above?
scooby wrote:mykonian wrote:You claimhappy people. You learn it in the newby games: don't claim when unnecessary, it will only help scum. Running one up who I don't want to lynch counts.
Reck and you just prove the point. Idiots who think that lots of people on a wagon means that there has to be an L-1 claim. It's stupid and pointless. You claim when there is somebody willing to hammer.
Wow, you are dumb.
The game is likely going to stall and get disorganized if Bogre doesn't claim. It took a lot of effort to get to this point and you think it's useless. A claim is exactly what we need right now to force Bogre make a decision. It either sucks or it's believable. If sucks, lynch. If it's believable, then analyse the wagon. Get another suspect, force people to make stances, etc.
There are so many things a claim can do.
Also I'm willing to hammer.
Try again?
new point? Anyway, who is dumb if you can't see that we won a very large wagon to analyse. At the start nobody knew where it was going, so all information is there. Who needs a claim? You make it a necessity.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Nocmen wrote:mykonian wrote:Nocmen wrote:mykonian wrote:xRECKONERx wrote:OH MAN LOOK HOW SCUMMY I AM
So you knew you were not supposed to be doing that. Can we have reasons why you did vote bogre?
And why did you unvote Bogre when he's on L-1 before a claim?
Because I did like the wagon, but it isn't my preferred lynch. So I see no reason to force a claim which might not help us at all.
What about if the hammer occured without a claim? You still said you liked the wagon, and now all of the sudden that it gets to L-1 you have cold feet.
Same thing. It went far enough, it was fun, and in one or two days we can pull some serious info from the above. Bogre never was my preferred lynch, there are a few I'd like better.
Blackberry wrote:scooby wrote:Hammering without a claim is retarded.
Whoever does it, gets my eternal RAGE.
Even if Bogre flips mafia? O.o
You almost say this like you know Bogre will flip town *contemplates*. Nahhh.
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In post 365, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 328, Blackberry wrote:StrangerCoug wrote:Blackberry wrote:Buh-bye scummers.
I don't understand this post. What's going on?
I attempted to blow-up the forum.
Bombing-attempt thwarted.
Now I must continue playing these 'mafia' game.
GRRRRRRRRRR!
Joke or no joke, this is clearly an attempt to create a distraction from scumhunting.
In post 341, Blackberry wrote:Myko, do you like bread?
Stop asking pointless questions.
UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Blackberry
I didn't get the chance to react to this post last day, but with the flips it even gets more clear. While the rest of the game was busy examining a claim, and deciding to hammer, SC tunnels on BB for being BB, and doesn't comment on anything currently happening. This post did nothing, is a clear active lurking post and was a way to stay off the wagon without lurking too much.
vote SC
Nocmen wrote:Vote: mykonianfor obvious reasons.
Oh good, tell me. Because I don't get them.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 405, TheJakalope wrote:Oh, Fate. You are quite funny to watch.
You aren't. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... er_sort=Go
Be a little more fun.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 395, xRECKONERx wrote:Though I have another vote in mind depending on what happens in the next page or two.
Well, you got a wagon now, I doubt you are going to change, right?
And you are totally wrong about Dram btw. No matter how personal you take it.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 408, dramonic wrote:Calling me scum myko?
Unnatural. Don't really care why. You've made two votes. One at the start of day 1, one at the start of day 2, both on me.
Oh, and I still have a question:
In post 252, mykonian wrote:BTW, why is/was reck town?
dramonic wrote:mykonian wrote:that's odd. My reckdar is bleeping.
scum again?unvote vote reck
Fate, we can get another scum to claim. And then we hammer. Because you know just as well as I do that Kat is really town.
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*cricket*
Yeah, my vote is staying there.
Or was there something else I should know about Reck?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 409, Bunnylover wrote:I understand Dram and Reck votes on Mykonian, but what the hell is everyone else votes reason?
Just check CSL's, thejakalopes and Scooby's ISO. They aren't too hard to read. The first two haven't missed a wagon, scooby started at the end of day 1 and since then has seen only one target (and cried a little about people hammering before claims). The wagon is there because people like to wagon.
Oh, and reck is crying caught scum who is lucky other people don't see it.
Dram is bitter for some reason and has seen only one player in this game.
That leaves noc and Kat, and I hope they are geniunly mistaken.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 412, dramonic wrote:You don't think vote-hopping with bad reason is a scummy thing, so you won't understand why that vote of yours is scummy as fuck.
no please, explain. Why is it scummy here? Because this sounds a lot like avoiding giving reasons about that post.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 414, Nocmen wrote:In post 413, mykonian wrote:In post 412, dramonic wrote:You don't think vote-hopping with bad reason is a scummy thing, so you won't understand why that vote of yours is scummy as fuck.
no please, explain. Why is it scummy here? Because this sounds a lot like avoiding giving reasons about that post.
And you've been avoiding giving good reasons for your votes. And that's my answer to why I have the vote on you. Because the only vote of yours that doesn't seem like hopping on a wagon or with a horrible reason is the one on Oversoul.
Fate: Why the hell do you think myko is suddenly not scum? Or do you just want Katsuki dead (again) so suddenly? The issue I have with that is that if it was anyone else, I'd be tempted to believe it more. But something just doesn't seem right to me.
Let's get rid of obv scum myko,then move on to obv scum Jackalope, then SC and scooby.
Just don't ISO. The only bandwagon vote without reasons was on Kat. Every other vote was given reasons (though I had to explain the vote on Reck later, for the people who didn't think it to be obvious)
Reck voteparked, SC (first vote) asked for proof (early game, mafia, SC is experienced. Asking for proof makes no sense, you know there is none). Bogre was on BB's case, most importantly quote 1 and 3 (as mentioned in a second post), SC second vote was for that terrible post which avoided any connection with the game and the lynch on Bogre at that time.
Seriously, the lack of reasons you name is because you don't care to read. Probably because other people have said I didn't gave them, but Reck has been proven to be a liar anyway.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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well done town on this wagon. Just wagon away, getclaims, because they are so goddamn important.
In post 420, scooby wrote:I just wish this wagon gets to claim range asap and myko can claim and depending of the claim we lynch or we get another wagon.
Fate should also stop wasting our time (the wagon is sooner or later going to hit claim range) and claim if myko should stay alive, etc.
There are a lot of scummy people alive (I'm basically paranoid about everyone). And I think 3-4 of them depend on wether myko is town or scum.
@Noc, you barely mentioned me in day 1. What happened today that made you consider voting for me over other options?
The bolded shows what a maniac you are. I said it before, and I'll tell you again: claims are antitown.
And Fate, nobody was going to hammer this wagon. It's a shitty wagon, by the book. I wished you hadn't claimed and would have left me the decision.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 419, Nocmen wrote:In post 417, mykonian wrote:well, noc, if you don't get it yet, just check the wagon you are on. Just have a quick look at the iso of every player. You tell me that they are town and that that is a good wagon.
Do I think it's a good wagon? Yes, I believe you are scum.
Do I think everyone is town on it? No. As I've said in my previous posts, I'm very highly suspicious of Jackalope, and to a lesser extent scooby.
Have you ever seen a game where scum bus right out of the doors of day 2? No thank you.
Oh, and since you are going to bring up 2 scumteams, lets be quicker. There is one with the kill flavor of a gun, one with a knife. I think Prozac to be traditional enough that means we are up against a serial killer.
Just think of what your (20 player game -> about 5 player scumteam?) top 5 scum is and check how many of them are on my wagon. No way you are on a good wagonSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 428, xRECKONERx wrote:Fate weren't you voting myk awhile yesterday
If myk had claimed masons with ANYBODY except Fate I'd believe it, but this is Fate
A quote. Now. I'm fucking sick of your bullshit Reck.
unvote vote ReckSurrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 430, Fate wrote:In post 426, dramonic wrote:You have towncred? =P
Also Myko, if you think claims are so antitown bitch at your buddy for claiming when you had like, 2 votes on you <_<
He had six or seven votes on him you fuck.
WITHIN A DAY.
BUT NOO THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU PAUSE
Dramonic has been happy to tunnel on me all game, without caring aboutanyoneelse in this game. I would almost suspect it was something personal between dram and me, but I barely know him.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 437, dramonic wrote:I do have opinions on other players. I just haven't voiced then.
I might once I'm out of class.
You've had more then a day for that. I think you are next on the list after Reck.
Oh, for the people not getting it, Reck has the same problem again. There was a large quick wagon, and when it is going to fall apart, he doesn't know where to go and wants to wait it out. With Noc, he stuck on the wagon. Here he unvotes without doing another thing. And my Reckdar wouldn't be working. lol.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Hey, wasn't that guy on my wagon?
Any reason why you stayed on that wagon, and perhaps a reason too why you are voting him now?
pedit: same goes for you Scooby.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 444, dramonic wrote:
You heard of bussing?In post 442, mykonian wrote:
Hey, wasn't that guy on my wagon?
Any reason why you stayed on that wagon, and perhaps a reason too why you are voting him now?
pedit: same goes for you Scooby.
Day 2. Straight out of the gates. The wagon on me yesterday was extinct, so there would be no planning at all. Seriously, congrats to the person who expected this wagon, because I didn't.
what particular part?
In post 420, scooby wrote:I just wish this wagon gets to claim range asap and myko can claim and depending of the claim we lynch or we get another wagon.
Fate should also stop wasting our time (the wagon is sooner or later going to hit claim range) and claim if myko should stay alive, etc.
There are a lot of scummy people alive (I'm basically paranoid about everyone). And I think 3-4 of them depend on wether myko is town or scum.
@Noc, you barely mentioned me in day 1. What happened today that made you consider voting for me over other options?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 451, scooby wrote:That was to dramonic.
In post 437, dramonic wrote:I do have opinions on other players. I just haven't voiced then.
I might once I'm out of class.
So let me get things clear. Before my 420 you had another suspects, yeah?
Oh don't be joking. Dramonic has probably not even read the whole game.
You at least made alist.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Nah, CSL. You need to do a little more work for us.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 466, StrangerCoug wrote:I was going to ask what's up with the sudden mykonian wagon, but he is responding poorly to it.Just because there was no wagon on you on Day 1 doesn't mean you won't get a wagon on Day 2, and if you're scummy enough to warrant it you need a defense prepared. I don't see one. In addition, his votes on xRECKONERx and me are laughable.
While I suspect some of the people early in the mykonian wagon are bussing, I feel my vote justified on flailing scum.
VOTE: mykonian
In post 448, mykonian wrote:Day 2. Straight out of the gates. The wagon on me yesterday was extinct, so there would be no planning at all. Seriously, congrats to the person who expected this wagon, because I didn't.
Lets not dance here SC. You didn't expect it, I didn't expect it. Don't make it more then it is. It's pretty sad that you base a vote on that though, while clearly not reading the thread further.
Just please, please, to all you townies: make some effort.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 516, scooby wrote:Fucking quotes.
In post 514, dramonic wrote:You're trying to pull claims out of players and jump to the next wagon. Getting many claims a day is not good and helps scum, yet that's what you seem to be going for.
How can I be scum and help scum at the same time? Are you even reading what you post?
Claiming is the ultimate weapon to catch scum since it force scum to take a critical stance that extends through the whole game. I CAN'T BELIEVE you are trying to paint normal mafia play as scum play.
Claiming is the ultimate weapon against powerroles. Scum know who fakeclaimed, and picks the others off at night. Multiple unnecessary claiming is the best way to make a town vanilla very quickly.
So seriously, shut up. You don't have a clue what normal mafia play is. So please, play a newby game before you play with the big boys and try to tell them what's normal mafia play.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 519, scooby wrote:What is normal play, then, mykonian?
Lynch without claims?
PS: How does scum know who fakeclaimed?
No, you didn't talk about lynching in the one below. I think that counts as a strawman, young man. I mean an intentional one.
scooby wrote:Claiming is the ultimate weapon to catch scum since it force scum to take a critical stance that extends through the whole game.
You just want claims, and you are an idiot for that. You are even more idiotic to keep pushing it as right. Apart from the mastin style quote answers, I think this fits your meta though:vote scooby
PS. Town doesn't fakeclaim.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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wait a second...
Elli made you think it was normal, didn't he? Oh that would just be brilliant. And now, convinced that you aren't allowed to be wrong, you play the experienced player who knows what "normal" play is, don't you.
Just, if this is true, please admit it in endgame. The story would be just too amazing. I bet it could net you a title.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 522, scooby wrote:I don't see how a disagreement on theory makes me scummier than dram but ohwell. (Am I an idiot or am I scum? )
Also what meta are you talking about?
Tell me, what the hell do you do when someone is scummy as fuck and gets to claim range? Well, that's right, CLAIM. When I suspect people and I push them to claim range, the ONLY THING that can avoid a lynch is a provable claim. THAT'S WHY ASKING FOR A CLAIM IS NOT SCUMMY, IS NORMAL PLAY.
I don't get what's the scummy thing of my position when it's been standard play in the games I've played and read.
Oh come on. You've pushed people to get a claim. You haven't pushed for a single lynch.
Oh, and no. But you are much more fun at the moment, and deflecting is fun too, and there is apparently not a way I can get a wagon on Reck.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 523, scooby wrote:In post 521, mykonian wrote:wait a second...
Elli made you think it was normal, didn't he? Oh that would just be brilliant. And now, convinced that you aren't allowed to be wrong, you play the experienced player who knows what "normal" play is, don't you.
Just, if this is true, please admit it in endgame. The story would be just too amazing. I bet it could net you a title.
Who the FUCK is Elli?
Playerlist. It's not that hard.
The fuck could have been left out. And the capitals too.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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In post 527, scooby wrote:Seriously? That's a stupid semantics argument. Of course if I push people to claim, is because I want them lynched. Do you read what you post?
Deflecting is not a scumtell.Do you think dramonic is town?
*blinks* so the excuse worked with your mother? "but he did it too!". Mothers are damned good scumhunters on their children.
and no, it isn't a semantics argument. There is a huge difference between wanting claims and wanting a lynch.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.