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Post Post #35 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:51 pm

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A wise Moderator PMs the players to let them know that the Game has started...
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Post Post #36 (isolation #1) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:52 pm

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Primate, who mentioned George?
Shadow Dancer, why does Mystery need a second vote?
No to U-Pick.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #2) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:14 pm

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I ISO and I see that you have 2 RVS posts, one useless post, and one fluff. You have stated no reads and are still on your RVS vote. Fix this or die.
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Post Post #44 (isolation #3) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:38 pm

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Why would I make a thread in MD just to scold Slaxx?
That was not a hydra slip. That was so it comes up in my main's "view your posts" section.
We won't be signing. Because WE ARE ONE and stuff.
In other news, VOTE: Tragedy
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Post Post #46 (isolation #4) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:21 pm

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1. Don't negotiate with terrorists.
2. It's CATFISH, not Catfish.
But seriously. Don't say "I have a scumread on you, here's how to fix it, have an FoS that I'll take off later so it means nothing".
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Post Post #48 (isolation #5) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:13 pm

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Geez, I WONDER when dram will start contributing :roll:
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Post Post #51 (isolation #6) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:19 pm

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Can Mystery Account vote or be targeted by abilities?
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Post Post #64 (isolation #7) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:35 am

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In post 36, CATFISH wrote:Primate, who mentioned George?
Shadow Dancer, why does Mystery need a second vote?

Hey you two. Answer these.
HEY ROBO WERE NOT IN RVS GET WITH THE PROGRAM
Oh great, Scumhunter's going to be a dick after all. *sigh*
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Post Post #92 (isolation #8) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:59 pm

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Let's get this out of the way right now. If you have a post restriction, claim it.
We have to give a protip in our first post every Day.
So I think SD is scum because of how he's dancing around questions, correct me if I'm wrong.
walls walls walls
Come join the Tragedy wagon!
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Post Post #95 (isolation #9) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:09 pm

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Why are they Town?
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Post Post #98 (isolation #10) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:29 pm

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In post 94, Duplicity wrote:
CATFISH wrote:We have to give a protip in our first post every Day.

Since you've already claimed it do you want to explain why you didn't do this then?

Our first post was a tip to Slaxx and mods everywhere.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #11) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:35 pm

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Check your Role PM...
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Post Post #115 (isolation #12) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:32 pm

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Duplicity, WHAT about SD's reactionstuff reads town though?
Null read on Bastion.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:10 am

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Restriction is for every game Day.
I apologize for having two scumreads. I'll try not to let it happen again. Who knows, I might even suggest a NL in MYLO next! The NERVE!
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Post Post #131 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:11 am

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In post 127, dramonic wrote:Catfish is so WIFOM <_<
unvote
vote: Duplicity

I like this.

Do you and Tragedy both have a Post Restriction that prevents you from being useful?
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Post Post #138 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:52 am

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I know who George is. You said someone mentioned him. Who?
Why are we probtown?
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Post Post #144 (isolation #16) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:50 pm

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Goat, are you badtown or scum? Because I've mentioned him a grand total of TWICE. Don't see how that's ridiculous.
SD, why is Tragedy more townish? Why us over dramonic?
YES TRAGEDY RVS IS OVER GOOD JOB TOO BAD YOU MADE A TERRIBLE "CASE"
So you think a typo is a scumslip. Then you vote the potential scumbuddy instead of the guy who "slipped". L :lol: L
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Post Post #157 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:45 am

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shadow Dancer
Get back soon Amrun, I'm getting apathetic :(
Anyway, Goat and SD both avoided my questions, lalala.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:27 am

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In post 158, Tragedy wrote:
In post 144, CATFISH wrote:
So you think a typo is a scumslip. Then you vote the potential scumbuddy instead of the guy who "slipped". L :lol: L


Hehehehaha. I didn't know who the hell "Slipped", pretty much explains 'whydunnit' for a quote.
Then again, what has dram been doing?
Lurking, not posting shit, and voting out of random, really?

Those apply to you too.
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Post Post #172 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:32 am

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In post 159, Duplicity wrote:
@ SleepyKrew -
I expect better than this from you. Your question directed towards Gaoth was a 'Are you mafia' question which has no gain in asking and doesn't need a repsonse. Furthermore I've already stated and explained that SD is town and the wagon on him should be dying down not growing.

1. Am I a good player now or is this AtE?
2. I was referring to the GB issue. Which he's still avoiding, I believe.
3. Your reason for SDtown is because he's genuinely scumhunting, right? Look at where his vote is. Then look at his reasons for it being there. Proceed to laugh and move your vote onto SD.
Plus he dances around questions.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:33 am

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Where is Mystery >.>
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Post Post #175 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:33 am

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In post 173, Shadow Dancer wrote:Please stop the quote walls, every one...

Now THIS I can agree with.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:42 am

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Lies. Where have I OMGUSed? Where have I derped?
Tragedy's latest post is content? Your votechange came long before.
Why did you avoid this quesion? Why did you avoid my Mysteryvote question?
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Post Post #179 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:59 am

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You're giving me classes on avoiding questions once this is over.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:00 pm

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Why is Robo bolded?
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Post Post #182 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:22 pm

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Yay Amrun's here :D
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Post Post #183 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:24 pm

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Mod, I recall you stating that there are no 3rd parties. Is this true?
Are we guaranteed to only have one Mafia, or is multiscum a possibility?
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Post Post #185 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:28 pm

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So what's the point of the account? To publish PR results without outing yourself?
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Post Post #196 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:01 pm

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Oh yeah, I forgot that we need to hydra sometime. You may be disappoint though :P
The location of his vote is very meaningful, because you said he's town due to his scumhunting.

SD, how the hell am I rolefishing? WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHO HE FUCKING IS

This game is low priority to Amrun, she'll get in here eventually.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:03 pm

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Oh Reg you ignored my 2nd point
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Post Post #198 (isolation #30) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:05 pm

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SD you forgot GW, kj, and Primate on your lurkerlist.

Yes Tragedy, keep spouting cases that apply to you as well, gooooooood
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Post Post #200 (isolation #31) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:24 pm

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Just to clarify, is your read on SD because he's scumhunting well, or just because he's scumhunting?
I'll address the rest of your post after you answer.
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Post Post #204 (isolation #32) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:26 pm

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Gaoth, at the time of your vote, I'd brought it up a grand total of twice, and I've been doing far more than JUST hark on that. If you're looking for faux-scumhunting, look in a mirror.

Duplicity, once again, because he's scumhuting WELL, or just because he's scumhunting at all?
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Post Post #212 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:58 pm

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Goat is scum, coolcool :D
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Post Post #225 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:45 pm

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MA, are you lieksoopercertain that Goat is Town?

Duplicity, it's funny that two of tour townreads are voting us, and my top suspects are some of your townreads.
But just sitting there and saying "can't lynch these 5" doesn't work. You need to scumhunt.

SD, keep putting those words in my mouth oh baby yes!
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Post Post #235 (isolation #35) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:58 am

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If either SD or Tragedy end up scum, Duplicity is highlylikelyscum.
If both are scum, Duplicity is 99.99% scum.
(this is assuming 1 scumteam)
Mod, did you answer my previous questions, or are you being mean to me?


Anyway, Duplicity is lol. That's not how a battery works, words in mouth, etc.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #36) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:08 pm

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Someone needs to explain to me WHY my presence is so important.

ANYONE can see my agreement with SleepyKrew in the sign up thread.

I am going to piss off for weeks at a time, show up and blow your minds, and then piss off again.

That's all I have time for. I wasn't going to play this game, but skrew and slaxx wanted me to, so I ended up in this hydra.

SleepyKrew is perfectly capable of playing without me, and until I get time to sit down with this thread, he is what you have.

I don't understand this commotion.

No, I have no reads because I haven't read the thread and I don't plan to tonight. So there.

-Amrun
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Post Post #239 (isolation #37) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:09 pm

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Not to mention I was v/la through Monday because I'm really sick. I probably have mono. It's been going on for awhile.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #38) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:04 pm

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Duplicity
I'll explain in a few hours.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #39) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:30 am

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Sorry, Duplicity case in my next post.
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Post Post #254 (isolation #40) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:48 am

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Five Reasons Why Duplicity Needs Instant Death
by SleepyKrew

REASON ONE:
Duplicity is not scumhunting. He is sitting there and saying "these ppl r b town no tuchin dem!!!". There is no protown motivation for this kind of behavior. His closest semblance to scumhunting is saying "these ppl r not b untuchable ima sit onna fence YEEHA".

REASON TWO:
His townread on SD is utter bullshit. He says it's because of SD's scumhunting. SD is voting us, and we're one of Dup's untuchables. Plus, SD doesn't even have a good reason to be on us. Fakeread is fake. 

REASON THREE:
He's trying so hard to derail the SD wagon. He tried so hard to get us off Tragedy. But he just shrugs his shoulders at the votes on us. Inconsistency. 

REASON FOUR:
He was probably THE most vocal person clamoring for Amrun. Why? Why do you want more activity from an already active slot instead of from lurkers? Why don't you get gorilla to post, because I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted ONCE yet. 

REASON FIVE:
Let's get this part out of the way first- he put words in SD's mouth. 
But it gets worse. He claims he knows how the battery operates, and that it's by postcount. He uses SD's multipost as an excuse to derail that wagon. But not the votes on us, even though we also multipost. More inconsistency. 
And that's not all. Order now and we'll double the inconsistency! So Mister Duplicity, the battery operates on postcount you say? This needs it's own mini-list:
1. Why not share this earlier?
2. How do you know this?
3. If you're so worried about getting deadlined, why don't you just spam it up?
4. If multiposting is protown, how come you don't do it?

CONCLUSION:
Duplicity is scum.   
 
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Post Post #255 (isolation #41) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:50 am

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In post 252, Scumhunter wrote:
unvote, vote Duplicity


^King Tommen's Justice

1. wut
2. No insults
3. Explain?
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Post Post #278 (isolation #42) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:58 pm

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God, this is a goldmine.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #43) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:13 pm

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Shadow Dancer (4): Oversoul, GhostWriter, Ethereal Cookie
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Post Post #322 (isolation #44) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:56 am

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Benmage is town.

-Amrun
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Post Post #344 (isolation #45) » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:18 am

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Expect me to stuff things tomorrow.
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Post Post #370 (isolation #46) » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:45 am

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Lots o homework.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:46 pm

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REREAD TIME
Looks like a lot of quote walls :(
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Post Post #418 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:46 pm

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Silly SKrew, it's a catchup, not a reread.
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Post Post #424 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:21 pm

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So that catchup went over my head :D
I'm okay with a dram lynch, hopefully Amrun does her readthrough overNight.
UNVOTE:
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Post Post #444 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:57 am

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I call him Goat because that's easier. Is there a problem?
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Post Post #527 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:24 pm

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A gifted lurker can lurk without being noticed...
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Post Post #528 (isolation #52) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:25 pm

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Bastion, if you think Benmage was muddying the waters to protect dram, shouldn't we let dram flip first?
VOTE: dram
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Post Post #530 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:35 pm

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage
Claim bro
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Post Post #601 (isolation #54) » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:18 am

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Oh my god Tragedy.
But yeah I believe Bastion. Amrun better hurry ~
Can we lynch Tragedy and dram tomorrow?
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Post Post #602 (isolation #55) » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:21 am

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Duplicity, would this other thing show up in your rolename?
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Post Post #606 (isolation #56) » Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:41 am

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p sure Dup posted after the no QL post.
UNVOTE:
But I just realized I got some questions to be answere.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #57) » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:18 am

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A fish knows when to sheep a cat.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #58) » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:19 am

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Still sus of Dup and Tragedy, Amrun has a case on Dram.
VOTE: dramonic
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Post Post #665 (isolation #59) » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:58 pm

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In post 663, farside22 wrote:and then when he did post he tunnel's on Dramonic, agrees with me but never votes him.


I just wanted to pointed out that you didn't vote for him either.

Working on a post.

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Post Post #666 (isolation #60) » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:33 pm

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This is ridiculously long, so I'll demonstrate with evidence under the spoiler and then do a tl;dr at the end.

Spoiler: Quotes
In post 268, Benmage wrote:Ive read a couple more pages... still trying to catch-up. Off the top of my head....

Still don't like Hopp...but waiting for a response for more. Liking
SirBast
less and less the more I read of him. I think Oversoul irked me earlier. Those 3 are my top scumreads right now I suppose.

EC
seems like our VI.

Cat
uncertain...

Duplicity.. back n forth there. I want to say town.

Primate reads the most vet. I'll be relooking here when I get caught up.


This is a wad of fencesitting, to be sure, but it's good to note how scum treats town and how he might treat his scumbuddy differently. I'm treating Sir Bastion as confirmed town here because I believe he is, although it's not flipped yet. Just to be clear.

What this post says to me is that Benmage is unlikely to bus without provocation because he's not taking firm stances either way.

In post 292, Benmage wrote:
In post 290, Hoppster wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: dramonic

Yeah, I changed my mind. Dramonic is worse than Primate - he's actually provided no content whatsoever.

Lurker hunting...classic I dont want to make waves scum.


Defending Dramonic instance #1.

In post 367, Benmage wrote:
In post 351, Duplicity wrote:
@ Scumhunter -
Benmages best town award is meaningless, he's actually a very weak town player and a strong scum player and yes he is often very illogical. His attack towards you and back at Hoppster attached with his willingness to admit when he's wrong is what makes him town. My vote on you is mainly due to the fact that you're avoiding taking many strong stances and seem to be ignoring a great deal of the playerlist. Furthermore you're fencesitting on whether you think I'm town or mafia. I have a few questions I want to you to answer including:

W.t.f Weak town player my ass.. If this is Regfan?, that last Faraday game is a bad example.

What illogical attacks have I made this game?

I misread the reasoning behinds Hopps vote, true.
In post 353, Scumhunter wrote:
My strongest town reads are
Gaoth
and Farside, although I'm also very confident Hoppster is town.
Goath..?? explain please.
In post 353, Scumhunter wrote:I also think EC has slipped under the radar lately and is potential scum.

Indeed.

Vote Ethereal Cookie

In post 379, Benmage wrote:You want to talk about active lurking. Look at EC he is the epitome of coasting. Go ahead... ISO him, puhlease. He's all minimal comments on nothing of consequence!

EC
is the lurker togo.


Hopp
is more then just the lead wagon. It's also who most people can agree to be happy with seeing get lynched.

Duplicity has said he's willing to lynch EC. I clearly am. I think SH would join.

Let me ask you, what is your position on EC?


And yet, a couple of posts later, he's lurker hunting himself. Cognitive dissonance to the max. He also can't decide which wagon to push more - Hoppster or EC. This is a strong indication that they're both town, since Benmage treats them both exactly the same way.

In post 380, Benmage wrote:Dramonic simply hasn't contributed. I'm much less inclined to lynch someone with flat out zero contribution. Then someone whose trying to hide through posting enough to not be a lurker... but content wise, nothing of substance. If dramonic doesn't get his act together it'll certainly be something to press. But his lynch doesn't sit well with me. Posting the way he has, almost begs to be lurker lynched. I think scum dram plays it better.


More defending dram - and yet, as Benmage demonstrates later, he has zero reason to think that "scum dram plays it better" (especially since that statement is patently false).

In post 387, Benmage wrote:
In post 385, Gaoth wrote:Sorry. In fairness, I should have gone back to the original post. But here it is! Bolded are my summarizations.
Benmage wrote:Ive read a couple more pages... still trying to catch-up. Off the top of my head....

Still don't like Hopp...but waiting for a response for more. Liking SirBast less and less the more I read of him. I think Oversoul irked me earlier. Those 3 are my top scumreads right now I suppose.

1.You use the word "like" quite a bit when commenting on plays....as well as irk. These are extremely soft ways of calling something scummy without saying, "you are scum." You either don't find these players scummy, or you just want us to think you do.


EC seems like our VI.

2.Why not call him town then?


Cat uncertain...

3.Seriously...


Duplicity.. back n forth there. I want to say town.

4."back n forth" So, like, over the fence? You want to call him town, but you don't....


Primate reads the most vet. I'll be relooking here when I get caught up.

5. Okay, so? Whats the read? I don't think you have given one yet.



Thats why you are fencesitting in this post. Furthermore, direct your attention to Benmage 342. Where exactly have you "Done this"?

In other news, I saw this post on Reddit that had all the Eeveelutions next to pictures of celebrity females. How cool would it be to name a bunch of Eeveelutions after these people?! For example, a Glaceon named after Ramona from Scott Pilgrim (cause of the blue hair style)!!


1. Except I then go on to say those 3 are my top scum reads.
2. I said he's a VI.. VI, just like newbs as I have said are my weakness. They're unreadable. This would fall under null I suppose. Not town.
3. Lolwut? Call it null.
4. Its an incomplete read. Some things I read gave me town vibes.. some gave me scum vibes. Call it slight town.
5. I've only just recently (today) been fully uptodate with the thread. So no I haven't done much extracurricular work.. and other things of interest have put that on the backburner. (Plus primate needs more content)

And for the last comment just breakdown what I've said.

Scum:
Hopp
Oversoul
SirBast


Null:
EC

Cat

Primate

Slight town:
Duplicity

^^Thats what my statements breakdown to.


Given Benmage's tendencies, I'd say that only one scum at most is on this list. Also, note how he has yakked our heads off about defending dram, going as far as to say that dram scum would play better, meaning dram is town. But he's not on this list. Hmm, I wonder why... OH WAIT I KNOW! PICK ME!

In post 393, Benmage wrote:
In post 391, EtherealCookie wrote:Yeah, it's not like I've voiced suspicion of dramonic or pointed out the fact Oversoul has yet to form an opinion on anyone being scummy after 16 pages in.

You want me to be impressed with 2 one lines of crap!!! lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You ask Oversoul for opinions. That ones good. I'm jaw-dropppingly impressed... come off it.

And you attack dramonic cause he's lurking. WOAH way to do some serious investigative work there. Way to not attack the easiest possible person.
Please don't make waves.
.. obvious scum is obvious.

The point is The Majority of your posts are fluff that add nothing to the game.


More defense of dram. For at least the second time, Benmage has used "attacking dram" as a primary impetus to in turn attack that player; this is a CLASSIC chainsaw defense. I mean, it's textbook worthy perfectly chainsaw.

In post 413, Benmage wrote:I did a little lookup of dram... not very impressive. I've only really been in games he's modded. Looking quickly at:
Open 330
: He's much more active an involved in this game. It does have his spam buddies so that might be a reason. Plus the mechanics is nightless, I think the entire game only lasted a week.
Square Enix VI
:... 3rd party?, He dies D1 with 2 posts of 0 content.
BBM's werewolves
Slow start, seems to pick it up some later on..not very impressive. Wins as scum(werewolf) in endgame
NY 117
: Is killed N3. Altogether useless and coaster style is very similar to this.

Not the most indepth search. As I said, I know him mainly from playing in games he's modded and other forum discussion.

Conclusion: Meta doesn't say if his play is alignment telling.


Earlier, he uses meta to defend dram, while clearly having ZERO idea about dram's meta. Then he announces he's willing to switch and declares meta is a null tell. But look at how he "investigates" dram. He doesn't even tell us what alignments dramonic was in those games, for the most part, and in all cases, he's looking only at level of lurkiness. He doesn't care. This doesn't read as organic.

In post 426, Benmage wrote:Ehh the walls aren't that hard to read actually. And Oversouls just misposted a buncha quotes.

SirBasts
is annoying because he didn't leave in the name of what he was quoting.

If dram flips scum,
Catfish's
post 425 is the scummiest bus vote I've ever seen.


Count #1 of trying to tie dramonicscum to a town player.


In post 467, Benmage wrote:
In post 464, Oversoul wrote:EC has been MIA for 4 days. I would like him to please come back. Totally ambivalent as to which wagons I should vote for... >_>

Duplicity, I reread EC I don't understand what you are saying that he is scum from it. ;_; He has similar posting to Dramonic, but it looks more active lurking than Dramonic's posting.

Actually, it hasn't even been 3 days since EC's last post... where'd you get 4 from?

He's
"more active lurking than dramonic"
as you put it.... What does that tell you? There's obvious scum tactics to it.

***Interesting note. EC's longest stretch away from this thread is now... all of sudden when the votes and suspicions starts building. Seems a little too convenient, like he's hoping the deadline just hits and dram is lynched. Because, if you check his user profile he has been on the site.


Pushing EC's wagon over dramonic's.

In post 519, Benmage wrote:
In post 516, Sir Bastion wrote:
1. Are there 2 more people out there willing to vote Dramonic etc.


Considering that quilford clicked it without anyone needing to respond to him by simply rereading the events (a small towntell in my book) is a genuine response. But Benmage who comes in just after quilford doesnt. He makes an explosive response attacking me, quilford responds explains and ben still doesnt get it.

it only takes a brief reread before you post to see the series of events, but he's not doing it.
2. It feels like he's purposely clogging the discussion with nonesense
.


1. It would've been 1 person needed to vote dramonic, had you voted him. Why didn't you?
2. That's simply completely false. Its a subjective opinion again only to make me look bad. But its 100% false.


This is just the beginning of a long discussion in which Benmage repeatedly attacks Sir Bastion for not voting for dramonic when dramonic was a viable wagon. (Note: neither did Benmage.) This is the very first thing that stood out to me; I came to these reads by seeing we had a scumflip and immediately ISOing Benmage, since that is usually as illuminating as it was here.

Why would Benmage push St Bastion as scum for this? The whole exchange reads as if dramonic has
already flipped scum.
Of course, he has not. Benmage is reaching for anything to make Sir Bastion look bad, and my theory is that knowing Sir Bastion pushed a scum counterwagon but did not vote was too tempting for Benmage. He gave away his hand. He knew that lurkerpartner dramonic was likely to die at some point and his goal was to sully as many town members by association as possible, starting with us (Catfish) but most fully realized with Sir Bastion.

In post 573, Benmage wrote:I'm really baffled at the amount of people still voting me. Despite the mechanics of the game adding up in my favor, I also feel like I've played pretty obviously townie game.

I know this is just me talking. But I don't think I push a mislynch on EC if I could've coasted one on dramonic(yes wine there cause dram could hypothetical be scum/a scum partner.. so that really only applies to his insight.... :? )


And this is the kicker, of course. Benmage realized he was about to die and that he'd incriminated his partner and injected a little WIFOM into the mix.


And of course there's dramonic himself. He's lurktastic extraordinaire, but his strategic lack of content is telling.

For example, this was his only post on day 2:

In post 566, dramonic wrote:well this is an interesting predicament.
CANASTA
K, I'm okay now.


Realize that the "interesting predicament" was COPS COUNTERCLAIMING EACH OTHER. You have to try EXCESSIVELY HARD not to give a read in this situation. Who else would try that hard not to commit but one of the "cop's" scumbuddies?

In post 655, dramonic wrote:Where do you see amrun having a case on me, kitty?


And then his only post today, which is indicative of the entirety of his posting on day 1 as well: "Why are you voting for me? What have you got on me? I'm an easy wagon but I'm not going to fix it so that I can use easy wagon as a defence."


tl;dr:

Benmage has several documented cases of chainsaw defense of dramonic.

His main mode of such defense was "pushing lurker lynches is scummy," and yet he magically forgets this when he pushes EC (town) as scummy for lurking, eventually leading to a mislynch.

Despite defending the crap out of dramonic, gives no actual read on him.

Makes several attempts to tie town players to dramonic as scum while not calling dramonic himself scum. Pushes counterwagon to dramonic while fencesitting on dramonic.

Hoppster and Sir Bastion get major townpoints from Benmage's flip; Duplicity, Oversoul, and Primate get minor townpoints (in order).

Dramonic himself has not only lurked, but played solely defensively and reactively; not only that, he actively declined to comment on the dueling cop situation when he posted in the middle of the debate.


Confirm Vote: Dramonic



Other than that, the current Primate cases are fairly weak and I don't understand how they've gained such wide appeal. I'll take a closer look at that eventually, but for now, it doesn't matter because we should be lynching dramonic. kthxbye
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Post Post #683 (isolation #61) » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:37 am

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Amrun can I lurk till dram is lynched?
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Post Post #687 (isolation #62) » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:20 am

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Spoiler: All of Amrun's posts
In post 241, Amrun wrote:Do your own job and let me worry about my slot.

I'll read this thread when I have the time. It's on the agenda for this week, but not right now.

In post 441, Amrun wrote:
Mod and all: V/LA for the weekend, but my computer decided that it won't even start up in safe mode, so I won't be as active from here on out even after that. I will be around periodically through the rest of the night and Friday night, but not at all on Saturday and Sunday. I will be posting after that, but I won't have a computer at home so I can't react to things as I might have otherwise. Please be patient.


Bah. I had hoped to catch up on this thread tonight, but now it probably won't happen. Joy.

In post 661, Amrun wrote:
In post 655, dramonic wrote:Where do you see amrun having a case on me, kitty?


We're a hydra, herpaderp?

It is coming after dinner, never fear.

In post 670, Amrun wrote:I wouldn't be upset, but you'd be wrong and pushing a flimsy case. I don't really care either way. Are you suggesting I let threats of possible future votes sway my beliefs? Get a grip.

dramonic needs to die. All other bridges can be crossed later, but probably he'll be scum anyway.

In post 672, Amrun wrote:It's a poor and transparent way of doing so.

In post 675, Amrun wrote:Any response to my case, farside?

In post 680, Amrun wrote:Sorry, dramonic, but that isn't the case. He "changed his mind" at one point as well. He bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt chainsaw defended you among a lot of things. There's not much you can say to that.

He never said you weren't worth lynching; he used voting for you
as a scumtell
.

In post 681, Amrun wrote:Oh, until he was forced to weakly bus you, of course.

In post 682, Amrun wrote:
In post 679, dramonic wrote:Maybe properly reading them instead of just looking for a reason to twist bm into me being his buddy would be advised.



Oh, and, what is this? Do you think I am scum?

If so, why not vote for me?

Or are you too scared to make a stance and instead just trying to discredit my thoroughly plausible case?

And once again, no comment on anything but the threat against him.


I can't promise to always post in the hydra, but I can promise to periodically quote it under this account. Hopefully that helps a little bit with ISOing. There's also a nifty feature where you can ISO CATFISH and Amrun at the same time.


SleepyKrew: If you want to, yeah, but if you'd read the game anyway that would be good, in case I get busy and stop posting.

Tragedy: It's impossible for sleepykrew to "fencesit" on a lynch I support, since we're the same slot. That's very silly. In any case, SK originally cast the dram vote and supports it.

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Post Post #771 (isolation #63) » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:08 pm

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I'm annoyed by the lack of dramonic votes... That being said, Quilford has stood out in a terrible way today.

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Post Post #791 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:03 pm

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Oh, wow, as much as this annoys me to have to do, I really do NOT want this day ending in a lynch. I think there might be a plurality rule or something, but better safe than sorry.

VOTE: primate
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Post Post #858 (isolation #65) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:21 pm

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GODDAMMIT AMRUN
READ THE FUCKING GAME
YOU TOTALLY WASTED IT
WE COULDVE USED IT TOMORROW INSTEAD
FUCK YOU
NEVER HYDRAING WITH YOU AGAIN
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Post Post #859 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:39 pm

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WHO'S THE IDIOT THAT SAID DUP AND HIS NEIGHBOR ARE CONFTOWN?
WAS IT YOU BASTION?
FUCK NO
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Post Post #870 (isolation #67) » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:52 am

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VOTE: Quilford
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:54 pm

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woopsX2
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #69) » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:24 am

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There's no way in hell we're telling you if we're shooting. Don't want to waste the last shot.
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #70) » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:57 pm

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Typo. Shouldve been "who" we're shooting.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #71) » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:56 pm

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Your words wound me Oversoul.
I would NEVER, EVER maybe sometimes on occasion shoot without conferring with Amrun possibly.
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #72) » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:55 am

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In post 1057, Amrun wrote:OH MAN SO

Scumhunter's riding of Benmage really feels genuine to me.

I believe his millerdom! It has been deemed!

I Do Not Support This Wagon.

In post 1059, Amrun wrote:This is freaking weak, and I'm annoyed that I don't have a better vote, but I don't have time to totally break this thread apart again.

VOTE: farside

She doesn't have the fire I expect in her as town. She doesn't have convictions. The only townreads she has are those cleared by roles. That seems really off.



I'm so gutted that dramonic wasn't scum. :( It blew all my reads apart.

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