Driving Mafia - GAME OVER - Kentic controls all the cock!

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Sorry, I just can't resist...

Original Roll String: 1d16

1 16-Sided Dice: (6) = 6

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Hmmm... That's vezo... Good choice anyway.

vote vezo

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No wait... Rice is in this game

unvote. vote Rice

Even better.

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Sorry for not posting in a while, I am a bit off mafia this weekend... So have a bit of patience and let me try and get some reads tomorrow.

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Meh... Where's the post I made yesterday... Did I screw up sending it?

OK, here's the abstract: KCDF looks pretty obvtown from behaviour and general attitude and Stevie's "let's lynch the miller" attitude is a terrible pretence to justify his vote.

unvote. vote Stevie

Oh and I don't really understand about half the votes in this game so far anyway... Maybe I should make a list to have people clarify their reasons again... I hate having to make long posts twice...

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Meh... Sorry, it's been a while... Working on a more detailed catchup post... But RPG mafia is in LyLo and has priority for me right now.

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Bad news: Failtown mislynched me in LyLo... ;..(

Good news: That means from tomorrow onwards I'll actually have time for

this

game and can give it my full attention. Yeehaa!

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So...
I've caught up now...
Somewhat...
Got some comments on paper,
will type them up pretty soon...

But not now, sorry, really need to watch TV now... And then sleep... So most likely tomorrow...

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So... Finally...

Let's see... Let's start with the long list of big "?!"s that have accumulated for me.

Noc #54: FoSes Anka, no explanation at all... FoSing pretty much means it's no longer some RVS shenanigans or whatever, so I'd esxpect at least

some

justification.

Anka #61: votes Kiwi - reason: telepathy? And calls it a serious vote? Is this expacted to be some kind of weirdo gambit?

Coug #68: Switches from mask to Ksda... For reasons that are beyond me, i.e. I just don't understand why, the whole thing sounds more like a minor disagreement to me.

Rice #72: Pretty ironic: Is called out as bad player and OMGUS votes the person that called her (him?/it?) out. (and this is about the most useful thing I have seen Rice do so far, so...)

Nobody #76: Votes Stevie. Just a plain vote, nothing else, then silence. I hope his contributions don't stay at this level.

Anka #84: Votes Rice, looks like a badly justified waggon hop, people (mostly KCDA already pointed out that Rice is basically constant mislynch fodder), calls kiwi null-town, no explanation either why he isn't scummy anymore.

kiwi #87: Votes Stevie - for counterwaggoning rice? Stevie wasn't even voting Rice!

Scooby #110: Calls Coug "confirmed scum" - for - ??? - ?!

Stevie #116: His "justification" for calling Kcda scum. Doesn't read like it hough. How, for example, is pointing out that some one has a reputation as a useless player "defending some one not in need of defence" at all?!

Mask #134: This on the other hand contains an ad hominem attack that looks absolutely out of place. Trying to discredit the only person who is voting him as a player seems like a lot of an overreaction.

Scooby #175: This whole discussion is just annoyingly dumb... May I kindly point out that there is a vast fundamental difference between "overanalysis" and scum faking a case on town? The former comes from townies second-guessing themselves all the time. Also, why is Scooby so hesitant to call Far scum then (as of his own #181: "townie consider people attacking them with lame arguments scum")

Scooby #176: I don't like this kind of plain defense. "See, I have done this and that..." -> "See I play according to cooky-cutter scheme..."

Far #207: Votes Cool.... For absolutely horrible reasons, i.e. quoting him way out of context... I wonder why no one called her out for it yet.

Kiwi #232: ?!? - Most random scum list ever?

Far #245: This meta argument is so blatantly bad that it hurts. One must never deduce (pointless) "scumtells" from single incidents in some game... And this is what all the dispute is all about?!

Rice #249: I find this actually quite funny

Something feels a bit off

FoS:SD

... can't place it yet though.

Off... Yes! I can place it exactly for you - It's me... rather "off" this game. ;D

So let's see what happened on the last few pages...

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Two replacements already? Hi Vail and Fish.

Urgh... Nobody and Vail really need to quit playing kindergarden!

Only two days till DL :\ I guess I can look through some ISOs until then...

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I have an unsteady feeling that Kiwi had too much contact with Fate... I don't know if I really want to tollerate that kind of sarcastic useless allcaps for long *angryface*

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mention him counterwagoning rice?and lol at you calling my scum list random

I gave you post numbers so you can Iso yourself in case should have made those posts under influence of whichever illegal substances and therefor cannot be accounted for them If you feel misrepresented I strongly suggest you post-deliver some explanation for what you did there - because as inconvenient as it is my capability to read your thoughts is very limited and strictly constrained to what you offer me through your posts.

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Only two days till DL :\ I guess I can look through some ISOs until then...

Is it that close!?

Willing to dispose of DeasVail, Riceballtail, or CooLDoG (in that order of preference).

Vail replaced Anka, right? Baring changing my mind after studying his iso I am tempted to agree, Rice... *Grind teeth* Mislynch fodder... But if

he

she

it continues like now that'll never change... Cool... I wonder why people are rather hesitant to waggon up on Rice, but consider it perfectly OK to chose Cool as their target. As far as I am informed he isn't exactly known to be a stellar contributor either... Nontheless I am leaning town on him that far, mostly because I agree with the majority of his reads/comments I guess.

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This is your post:

ank and stevie scum

"LOL lets counter wagon on rbt just cause she retarded"

unvote

vote stevie

Where did Steevie say that? According to the vote count he wasn't even voting for Rice.

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Uh... Past 3:00 a.m. again... Need sleep, see you tomorrow again, good night.

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Cool was just clarifying hiw vote for the mod, you quote and present him as if that were the actual reasons (i.e. none) for his vote and call that the scummiest post of the game or something like that. Sounds like a lot of retorical exageration.

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And your last post proves that you were aware of that fact...

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Sorry, wrong account :\

Uh... Ouch... Ankamius looks even worse in ISO. Hasn't done anything but bullshit votes, some lame postponed "explanation" à la "I wanted stimulate discussion/test reaction" later and then OMGUS flaming againt those (mainly Cool) who pointed it out.

Unvote. Vote Anka

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i'm convinced that shadow is either ignoring me or cooldog it just can't be both...

?!

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@Deas: And about your contributions so far should convince me that I was wong about Anka? Your continued OMGUS on Cool? If I had to chose between the two of you I'd definitely side with Cool right now.

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Fishy seems really undedicated. Calls Far his only strong scum read but doesn't even try to push a waggon on her but goes all "which existing waggon could I hop on?"....

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OK, really looks like it's coming down to a choice between {Anka, Steeviy, Cool}

Some things Stevie posted make me think he could be town who mut be ignored because of his abysmal logic... And I read Cool as town. So it's still Anka for me.

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And by Anka I mean Vail obviously...

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Cool's representation of what he hs to say may be pretty bad at times, but that's nothing I wouldn't expect from him. And there are really far far worse people in this game (kiwieagle any one?)
But underneath of it I mostly agree with Cool's cases and see where he is coming from as a townie.

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I already gave a summary of my view of Anka's behaviour in this game. I could certainly stretch that out to more than one tape worm entence, but I really don't feel the neccesity because Anka's contributions have been remarkably terrible and little.

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Townies may make bullshitty random votes, even some time into the game. Town may also withhold their actual reasons for a vote for whatever reason. But Anka's play looks like neither of those.

KCD, please explain to me what Vail has done to think he is town? "Don't lynch me, I don't deserve this" wining is null.

Kiwi, I haven't even called you scum... Not yet at least... I only said your playstyle is awful.

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And, yeah, Cool claimed tracker, sure you wanna lynch him? Because I think even more that it is a terrible idea right now.

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Anyway, I am not going to change my vote anyway, given the choices, and now I am going to bed. If I wake up tomorrow and Cool has been lynched and flipped town I'll be really mad.

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Whatever, I am sure there are lot's of cocks and kills by cocks in it or whatever (the stuff is way too retarded for met o ever bother about the details), so why do you think it's a fake claim?

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Back from V/LA.

That's supposed to be a death scene?!? Booooring? What's that thing that killed far/SHESSKID supposed to be anyways?

It's a weedwhacker - the shit drawing is supposed to be part of the charm, but I couldn't do any better anyway. As for the scenes, I didn't write 'em, folks.

- Amrun

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Hmm... Not sure about Coug. He is one of those poeple who leave me a bit perplexed and puzzled at the moment...

I do not understand Vail's voting behaviour at all. That Noc vote came out of nowhere. And the "reaction fishing" explanation is definitely made up. He switched back to Coug before Noc even reacted at all.

Nobody's post got my attention.
First paragraph: What's so special about Stevie that you mention him although you seem not to have anything to say about him in particular?
Second paragraph: What do you consider the scum motivatio behind that?
Third paragraph: Hasn't reread (as of first paragraph), or has he? And now this unsaked for justification for being on a mislynch, but without a proper explanation at all... Reads like "Don't ask questions he needed to die." Reeks scummy.
Fourth paragraph: Fallacious appeal to probability. His Coug vote is still an entirely unjustified waggon hop.

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@Stevie: Have you played in any game together with Rice before?

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Also Kcdaspot is Petroleumhelly now.

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What I still miss from Nobody is any satisfying explanation - or rather any explanation at all - for why he joined the Cool waggon. From his iso it really was just "Uh, waggon, need to reread" ... "Cookdog needs rope harharhar!" ... lynch .... "He needed to die harharhar!"
Given that he was a mislynch it appears to me that he did not really need rope

that

desperately... So a more in depth justification would be appropriate.

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*Grumble* Sorry... I'm still here.

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I really cannot see the alleged "buddying" kiwi spots at Kcda... If there's a point to that whole thing it's terribly selectively perceived and forced...

I still could get nehind the Nobody waggon. For now I think he should claim to allow this game to move on.

I don't know why there are still people parking their vote on Coug... Or is there an actual reason why those people are still voting him, but not really advocating that lynch while discussion has clearly moved on for a long time?

And Deas defintely needs some pressure. I think it is mostly unjustified that that waggon completely fell apart on D2. Right now I cannot even see a red line of thought in his posts. He is still voting Coug. Before that he was voting Noc and I cannot really see satisfying reasons for either. Before that he mostly expressed suspicion of me.

vote Deas

And because hope springs eternal: I know Rice is V/LA and stuff... But he?/she?/it? really needs to make some noticable contribution once he?/she?/it? is back.

There's also kind of a suspicious aura around scooby. Sorry for being so vague about it now, I think it's best for now to keep a close eye on him to see some more behavioural patterns.

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*teethgrind* A cop claim... Hello there VI-cop? Or scum trying to buy another day? Anyway, not our today's lynch any more! If it's a fake claim and a real cop wants to CC: DON'T! Scum fake claiming cop is already an auto guilty.

@Deas:Your reason is "that you think he is scum". Please spare me the pulling teeth and continue straight to

why

you think he, or noc when we're at it, is scum

.

I don't like kiwi's reaction to the claim at all. What was so scummy about the claim?

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@Deas: I see, so your D2 vote on Coug (that still abides) is so far only justified by some points based on his D1 play that seem either really minor (like those semi-RVS shenanigans) or smell terribly of OMGUS (he voted Anka... And I say this because all the people you expressed suspicion of so far were people on the Anka waggon).
You were reaction fishing for reactions on Norman - and still felt he could be scum - which is the point I asked you to elaborate on in the first place. Stop the walking in circles. That doesn't even make sense. Either you place a fake vote to "fish for reactions" or you vote a real suspect - in which case you should be able to explain the vote properly.

About the cop claim: If it's a fake claim we'll know it once either a real cop dies or claims, preferably with a guilty or at least some innocents alive (this should happen before LyLo obviously). If there is no real cop there is a good amount of town roles (p.e. millers, tracking-roles, roleblockers) that could uncover a fake claim. Lynching a claimed cop woth very little other information is never good play for town.

@kiwi: Why is it out of question that most of your reads are wrong? It's only D2, would you expect any different? Do you prefer to cockily insist upon your early reads just not to have to admit that you might have been wrong?

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@kiwi: To get the right reads sometimes you have to consider that you are actually

wrong

, so you can adjust your reads. Unfortunately the truth gives a damn about how allegedly confident you are in your opinions.

To come back to your Kcda case - do you still think he is suspect? Did petrol's play support your opinion at least not change it, and if so, why?

@Petrol: Right now if Nobody is claiming the truth scum will likely NK him anyway, or probably roleblock him which would give us setup information. Lynching him now is counterpoductive. If he is fake claiming and there is a real cop he will sooner or later claim, thus uncovering Nobody, but ideally giving town more info. Right now he most likely only has on innocent and will then be NKed (or his innocent). Very little gain. If the cop is NKed by chance Nobody would still be exposed, so unlike with a guilty investigation there is no urge to get it out. In abstract: There's almost nothing to gain for town that would justify burning an unclaimed cop from an immediate counterclaim.
Lynching Nobody unCCed is obviously bad. If it's a mislynch scum NK Stevie and town gained less than nothing.

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@Deas: Yes, that's pretty much the definition of OMGUS - being overly focussed on your own person. The "they vote for town so they mist be scum" theory is inherently flawed because average townies are far from impecable and if you are a townie you should be able to have a wider outllook on things.
What do you say about Coug's D2 play and his reactions to the waggon on him? Do they support your case?
You said your Noc vote was for reaction fishing. That implies that you were expexting certain people to react in a certain way to it. What kind of reaction did you expect? Did you get any desired reactions? What do they tell you.
And don't even try to scare me away with sarcasm, you don't want me to tit fot tat you back. Of yourse you can hunt scum on reactions to any vote, no matter when and whom you vote. But that's not really reaction fishing because you have no expaction what, if anything, you will evntually get out of it. It is just a very poor excuse to justify a vote. Additionally you already said that your real reason suppoedly was that you considered Noc scum, but you avoided the issue ever since. If "you felt he was scum" there must be a reason for it, like a post that seemed suspicious to you, and you should be able to point it out.

@Petrol: No, you got your priorities wrong. Unless you have some evidence that Nobody's scum that is far more striking than "he's somewhat anti-town" which most of his case boils down to. I already explained why the quasi autoguilty if there was an unclaimed real cop would nopt require that cop to CC immediatelly.