TV Upick - Scum win

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Hey everyone!

Now, onto the daunting task of reading D:

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I must admit that I'm not reading the game properly and only really focusing on the players still alive. I don't really know the best way to do this because this is the latest I've replaced into a game by far. Anyway, I'm on page 14 and will quickly post some early reads (although bear in mind that they're weak), though most of them are null.

Town:
Cobblerfone
PeregrineV

Scum:
Ghostwriter
Plenty

(Everyone else is pretty null)

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Update from end of Day 1:

David has claimed vig right? Because there's a lot of hinting in day 1, except possibly some masterful scum plan? I don't know. I'll probably make up my mind once I've finished reading. Anyway:

My reads on Cobbler and Peregrine haven't really changed much.
Stronger scumread on Plenty
Not so sure about the scum read on Ghostwriter
New scum read on Kuribo (MrDummieLee) and possibly RedFF
Still not sure about killer.

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*Not sure about RedPanda either

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Ok, finished a non-thorough read, but my top scum suspect is definitely Plenty. How many votes are on him right now?

Although, questions for RedPanda:

What made you change from a scum read on me to a town read on me?
How did you feel about asserting that Plenty was 100% scum?

Killer is probably my no. 2 suspect now. Still suspicious of kuribo, not really sure what to think of the others. I can't really think of anyone as a town read at this stage

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I am Piggy and I'm town

And, don't refer to me as Piggy unless talking about Piggy's actions.

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m Piggy and I'm town

i don't know that i can get behind that

You can if you're scum

And if you're town, well, you should just get behind it anyway.

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The reason i think Piggy is town is because of his/her crappy play and all the Piggy votes from the scumteam and

You wake up to find Meransiel handcuffed to the lamp-post with his gun, and a confession lying beside him of being a Seriel Killer, and so you drag her of to jail where you forget to feed her, and she dies.Meransiel was Dexter, Serial Killer arrested Night 2.

*The reason I think DeasVail is town is because of Piggy's crappy play and all the piggy votes from the scumteam.

I'll even let you say DeasVail/Piggy instead if you like.

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Are there any events in particular that you want me to comment on?

I think Plenty is scum- The jump onto Jakalope I thought to be exceptionally scummy because he tried to sound like he had a proper case on him when he hadn't really suspected him before.

In the 1v1's with Panda I more easily imagine Plenty as scum. I could probably find specific posts which made me think Plenty is scum if you like. Just let me know.

I suspect Kuribo mostly because of (MrBuddyLee?)'s behaviour while in. Asking questions every so often, but never providing any thoughts. I also thought CTD's initial massclaim proposal may have been an attempt to look town as I didn't think it was ever a viable option.

I'd say Killer is my no. 2 suspect. I couldn't really make up my mind about him from the early days, but I found the vote on Furcolow to be scummy, seemed not to concerned about whether Furc was scum or not with the comment that (he?) was digging his own grave- gives me the impression of not really caring about finding scum.
The main thing for me was trying to deflect attention from Plenty by targeting GhostWriter, but switched to Plenty once it looked like he was the probable lynch- likely scum partners in my opinion.

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VOTE: Plenty

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And what does that have to do with you being town/scum?

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Oh, it was?

And here I was reconsidering my reads, believing that it was incredibly silly for me to think you might be scum.

Ugh, I'd hate to be town all the time.

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I much prefer to be scum.

Why did you feel the need to double post and clarify that you saying you're always town was a joke?

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I think scum would be more likely to worry about something like that, while town would be more likely to only clarify it as a joke if it was taken seriously.

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Not anti-town at all, just something I think scum would do.

I didn't think time was so valuable this game. It's pretty quiet in here.

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kuribo can you clarify your vote on me?

ARE YOU FUCKING DRUNK

Well, he had to stop lurking and that was the best he could come up with.

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see, Deas, you keep this up and you just might get enough town points to bang my sister

Is that less or more than the number of town points needed to avoid getting lynched?

killer, what Deas is getting at, is that you need to effing post and not just when I go to a mirror and say your name five times so that you can appear out of nowhere like the fucking candyman

Why does he need to if he's scum?

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Killer, are you trying to say you were justified in hopping onto wagons or that you didn't hop onto wagons?

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*Resists the temptation to stop suspecting Kuribo

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Who on the Plenty wagon thinks Killer is scum?

Who on the Killer wagon thinks Plenty is scum?

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Is there any point in waiting for plenty to say anything or should someone just hammer?

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Hmm, I don't really buy it.

Although plenty did seem to stop trying to get RedPanda lynched day 3, he also used the defense of "if I was scum, I would have backed off you by now" which isn't something I think a cop that just got an innocent on the subject would say.

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I still think the whole "if i was scum I would have stopped attacking you by now" argument is weird in the scenario that plenty is cop, and the claim doesn't seem quite right to me, but the claim does make sense with his lessening attack of Panda, so:

UNVOTE: Plenty

VOTE: KillerX029

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That's L-1 btw

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oh, ok.

UNVOTE: KilllerX029

VOTE: Plenty

but why?

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Hmmm.. You''ve got a point, but I don't know. I think hypothetical-Plenty-cop wouldn't have wanted to suddenly stop targeting you without explanation- it would've drawn attention.

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All of those posts except 882 match up with my idea of Plenty as cop knowing you're town.

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The attack actually seems quite half-hearted and the whole tunnel vision/re-read thing matches, except he also wasn't too active in trying to work out who was scum today (which I would've expected after having you as the primary scum read) and that jump onto the Jakalope wagon sure was scummy imo...

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The second answer is what mafia probably would have thought at the time.

Also, did you have a problem with the whole *claimed vigs shoot each other plan*? -at least this is what I remember the plan being.

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I'm thinking we should lynch killer today. I think it's very likely he's scum and I think plenty could possibly be the retired cop... thingy

Problem is, I don't really know who else to suspect D:

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do you have anything to say about plenty's claim?

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I suggest we wait for david to get back from V/LA before hammering.

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I've never really considered Cobbler a scum read, but I'll take a look at him if killer is scum.

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Cobbler, who do you think is scum?

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Well, we better lynch someone today and if you don't think it should be killer then you'll have to convince us that he's town and someone else is scum.

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I don't like some of your flip conclusions. Some of those things could be easily manufactured by scum.

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Cobbler has moved to a suspect for me. His renewed suspicion of me feels... scummy. The things he's mentioned and questions he asked me seem like the kind of things that scum would pick up on and the kind of questions that scum would ask.

I don't remember very clearly what gave me a town read on Peregrine from the first 14 pages, but it was basically that I felt he was acting a bit unorthodox and I thought this was more likely to be from town. The question is, why are you asking about what I thought from the first 14 pages, which is mostly irrelevant now?
Killer wasn't a town read, more null, because I had no real idea whether he was town or scum.

Also, by calling me impatient scum, you seem to be assuming that Plenty is town, and in your most recent posts, has ceased to be a suspect, despite him still being one of your suspects after the cop claim. Explain?

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How do you know we have 3 VT's and 3 scum? O_o

Why didn't you ISO Plenty after his claim before posting that you were suspicious of him?

I'm a bit confused by your change from "Killer and Ghost can't be scum together" to "Ghost is scum if Killer is". Especially considering that apparently you don't think killer is scum. Also, you talking about being concerned with your own lynch tomorrow is scummy in my opinion. It almost seems like you don't think you'll be able to convince us that you're town, which I see as scum mentality, not town mentality.

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Couldn't you say the same about any scum?

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Summary:

-Kuribo says a lot and makes sense
-Plenty gets to L-1 and claims retired cop with innocents on David Xanatos and then RedPanda
-Killer gets to L-1 and claims vanilla

I don't really know what else to say...

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I thought it would be 4 mafia, considering the power roles and there are mid-sized set-ups with 3 mafia and an SK (I think).

Anyway, Peregrine, who do you think for the lynch?

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I thought David killed Meran O_o

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Do you actually want to know my role or not?

I didn't think this would be the right time...

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I'll only say what my role is if I'm still a likely vig target. He said that before I replaced in, so something may have changed.

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Now that makes 2 people who seem over-eager for my claim...

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Ok, I'll tell you this much: I don't feel I should claim based on what (if any) information I have. Although, I will claim if I'm told I'm a likely vig. target, if I'm about to be lynched, or there's a massclaim.

I'd have something to claim if I was VT or if I was a power role.
If I am a PR, I don't want to claim because it makes me a likely night-kill target (especially if Plenty is scum)
If I am a VT, I don't want to claim and narrow down the list of potential town PRs for the scum.

How would it help narrow down scum candidates? What would be stopping me from claiming some weird role if I was scum?