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Just about to head out to a poker tournament but should be back later today. Setup wise I'm leaning towards this likely being a 4 scum and one third party setup with heavy amounts of power roles. Reasoning behind why can be explained if needed but most of it is Slaxx-hosting-meta-related. Right now I have a few weak town reads but no real scum reads and I want to have a discussion with Gorilla before I consider outting those. I think I know who Mystery Head is and believe they're town so the voting on them should stop, similarly the Shadow Dancer case is incredibly weak and although I love the initiative of trying to push out of RVS piling votes on him isn't the right way of doing it.
The U-Pick claiming is sub-optimal, the choices that people made are not related to their alignment at all since they were picked previously meaning reasoning behind the choices or the choices themselves will garner us no real information. Sure it may lock scum into a selection of four potential roles but at the same time as seen in Any Band mafia will just be claiming their own abilities as town abilities and thus discussion on whether we should claim now needs to cease.
Also can the quote walls stop pretty please.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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The post restriction conversation and focus needs to be dialed down because right now it's overpowering any real scumhunting discussion though with that said I'm fairly sure I know who is what personality right now but see no real advantage in announcing them publicly and request that anyone else who has also worked them out does the same. Also for the love of god the quote walling needs to stop.
I have relatively strong town-reads on Hoppster, ShadowDancer and Killerjester and weaker town-reads on Tragedy, Oversoul and CATFISH right now though I know that Gorilla disagrees with my SD town-read. I'm not liking Gaoth and Scumhunters earlier posts but I know they both have a tendency to struggle in the RVS period of the game regardless of his alignment so I'm happy to give them some time to settle in.
Sir Bastions posts reads like he's trying to foist suspicion onto Etherealcookie but it's weak as hell and he uses weasel words without calling him outright scummy. It looks like he is testing the waters to see if anyone is willing to vote him without actually sticking his neck out and making an attack. Furthermore his fencesitting and unvote on ShadowDancer while stating that he's not town looks like scum leaving options open later.
Vote: Sir Bastion
@Gaoth- What in particular did you find scummy about my previous post and why didn't you change your vote to me because of it?There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Ethernalcookie is null right now, if he were a town-read of ours we'd have stated so. You're not questioning Ethernal, if you were that would be understandable but you're stating actions he's done and how you find them suspicious in a manner where you're appealing to other people to vote him rather than voting him, that's not reaction testing him that's bandwagon fishing.
@ CATFISH -Although some posting restrictions are able to be worked out claiming them is idiotic because claiming posting restrictions is essentially claiming the U-Pick you were given which also means letting mafia know what role possibilities you have. Also SD and Tragedy are both town.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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CATFISH wrote:We have to give a protip in our first post every Day.
Since you've already claimed it do you want to explain why you didn't do this then?There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ CATFISH -My town-read on SD revolves around his reaction to the bandwagon on him and towards Mystery Account posting. My town-read on Tragedy is mostly meta related, her scum play is almost the polar opposite of her town play and makes her easily readable late into D1 or sometimes even earlier though to be fair I just re-read her ISO and my town-read on her is declining in strength. Also if you don't mind can you state your read on Bastion please?
@ Bastion -Your questioning of Cookie in Post #78 is about post restrictions and doesn't assist you in attaining a read on him at all, in fact it does and adds nothing. If you had a 'confused' read on him you should be asking something actually alignment related. The post where you quote discussed all of Cookies posting is pure IoA, your conclusion is highly noncommittal and really again doesn't add anything whatsoever.
@ Gaoth -Considering you stated that I was playing to my town-meta throughout majority of Apolocptic Mafia where I was actually mafia I'm curious to how you think my last post resembled my scum meta.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 110, Gaoth wrote:@Duplicity: Yeah, looks like I was right, wasn't I? I'm gonna be honest. I underestimated you, and (nearly) paid the price. I'm not gonna call you out on my meta read, since I did that last game and allowed scum to play me into their hands.In post 106, Gaoth wrote:@Duplicity:Your first post read like scumreg.I wanted more posts before i laid a vote down. that is all.
I understand you may be paranoid of me after our last game but can you please explain the bolded along with what about my first post you found similar to regscum.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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We need to keep the activity up to a high level otherwise the battery is going to deadline us way too soon. With the exception to the Primate wagon which is understandable but not amazing I'm not liking any of the leading wagons right now. Hoppsters enthusiasm and push to get us out of the RVS period reads town as does SDs active scumhunting and questioning of other players rather than latching onto one of the many bandwagons or reacting violently.
Gorilla and I have a slight disagreement on Bastion right now but both of us are still content on keeping our vote on him. He's continuing to ask meaningless questions to seem active while also excusing is illogical play as 'reaction tests' which is what I did in Apocolpytic Mafia as scum.
Right now my reads are:
Town (S->W):Gaoth, Hoppster, ShadowDancer, CATFISH, Tragedy, Killerjester, Oversoul, Ethereal Cookie.
Null:Robocopter87, Benmage, Dramonic, Scumhunter, GhostWriter.
Scum (S->W):Sir Bastion, Primate.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ SleepyKrew -I expect better than this from you. Your question directed towards Gaoth was a 'Are you mafia' question which has no gain in asking and doesn't need a repsonse. Furthermore I've already stated and explained that SD is town and the wagon on him should be dying down not growing.
@ Sir Bastion -I'd rather not go into the exact disagreement right now but I'll explain it later in the day.
@ Scumhunter -You need to get in here and state your reads and thoughts.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Our disagreement on Bastion is something I'll go into when more people have responded and posted, no reason to elaborate into it just yet.
People need to start contributing, not just to stop this from being deadlined but because there's so little content in this thread it's unbelievable. I'm actually starting to regret joining this game because the amount of fluff and useless posting along with quote walls is frustrating to say the least. Mystery Account is obviously town and there's no reason whatsoever to even consider ignoring his posts at all, who gives a flying fuck if he's acting arrogant.
@ SleepyKrew -You should know that I consider you to be a good player, I don't offer to hydra with just anyonejust noobs like Gorilla and Scumhunter.The fact that SD's vote is placed where it is right now is meaningless, I still think he's town and I still the wagon him needs to die. Get Amrum to give her reads please.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ SleepyKrew -Shadows vote landing on you doesn't change the fact that he's scumhunted at all. Also if the question directed towards Goath is why does he suspect you for mentioning GB multiple times I don't think you're going to get any answer because again the question really doesn't lead anywhere. Hurry Amrum up, make this her utmost priority and if I were to tell you that Tragedy, ShadowDancer and Gaoth were all town right now who would you vote?There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ SleepyKrew- There's a few reasons behind thinking he's town, I rather not go into all of them but him actively scumhunting is indeed one of them.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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I don't think Shadow is scumhunting 'well' but I do believe he's genuinely trying and I'm actually starting to get really aggravated by peoples continual pushing and wagoning on SD, Hoppster, Gaoth, Tragedy and CATFISH. Seriously guys, start reading and looking elsewhere because those five are town.
@ MA -My town-read on Gaoth is mostly meta based along with his paranoia and worrying about my alignment reading as natural and genuine considering the last game we played together though I do want him to 1) Stop loltunneling CATFISH and 2) Post his reads on everyone.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 225, CATFISH wrote: Duplicity, it's funny that two of your townreads are voting us, and my top suspects are some of your townreads. But just sitting there and saying "can't lynch these 5" doesn't work. You need to scumhunt.
It's really not all that funny, it's actually slightly depressing to observe and I have and do plan on scumhunting but I need some content from the lurkers because at this point I'm convinced majority of the scum lie in there. Also the way that SD is trying to make multiple relevant posts in a row instead of sticking them all together should make him obv-town. What he's essentially doing is keeping the battery running. Now hurry Amrum up please.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 231, Shadow Dancer wrote:That's not the reason. It's just my usual posting style. Also I doubt that the battery runs solely on post count... It's probably closer to word or line count, most likely taking into account how many players are active. Hence it's even more important that the lurkers finally post.
That's not the posting style I've seen you use, in election mafia you combined all of your thoughts into longer more analytical posts and thus assumed short posts are to help the deadline stay afloat which is something I've been subtly trying to do. I have a very good idea of what the variables for the deadline involve and yes it is slightly dependent on everyone posting and contributing however the number of game related and relevant posts are one of it's larger factors.
@ Hoppster -I have a tendancy to answer/respond for people in order to propel the game forward faster, if you want a few examples of it I'll be glad to go get them otherwise I'd appreciate your more detailed reads on Killerjester, Sir Bastion and Ghostwriter.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ CATFISH -He did answer it, it's in one of the votecounts. I do have a good idea how the battery works and what the variables are. Now can Amrum get in here.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ CATFISH -Your presence is important because right now your slot is loltunneling two townies and is refusing to stop doing so over and over again to the point where it's actually pissing me off. This game needs some active players right now that are willing to stand back, look at everyone and state their thoughts and there's almost no one else to ask to do that here other than you so please suck up whatever illness you have and read this thread because 10 pages will literally take you 20-30 minutes tops.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ CATFISH -My job would be getting you to post more, I'm not part of your hydra or slot, yes but that doesn't mean your performance or lack thereof doesn't impact on me or the game. As for my reads I've stated them multiple times but I'll go ahead once more:
Gaoth is town. Hoppster is town. Shadow Dancer is town. CATFISH is town. Oversoul is town. Tragedy is town. I think Killerjester is town too though this read I'm much less certain on. Ghostwriter, Robotcopter, Scumhunter, Benmage and Dramonic I have no thoughts on at all but know they need to start contributing. Sir Bastion and Ethernal Cookie I'm iffy on, some of his posts read as town whereas others read as scum, if I had to make a decision between them though I'd say that Sir Bastion is more likely scum. Primate is still suspicious though I'm waiting for his dose of content that he has promised before making a final decision on him.
@ ShadowDancer -I only have Election Mafia to judge you of, I've never been in any of your other games. Shockingly enough in this Duplicity hydra I do most of the posting regardless of alignment though I normally discuss my posts, thoughts and reads with Gorilla in a QT we've made (I also thought I'd see if I can nail everyones picks in there for fun) before posting. It's because I'm normally exceedingly active whereas Shift and Gorilla are a lot more reserved but I'll tell him you want him to start posting and hopefully he'll take some control because this games pissing me of to the extent that I want a day or two away from it so I can come back fresheaded.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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I've been called in to break down this terrible case from a braindead person because Regfan is tooaggravatedbusy to deal with this right now. Going to break this down is beautiful little quote stripes because that's what it deserves.
This is how Regfan scumhunts. You could check any of his prior games as town if you actually feel the need to put real thought into this game at some point. I will pull examples if need be. I'm pretty sure in the past he's had to argue the point that yes,In post 254, CATFISH wrote:REASON ONE:
Duplicity is not scumhunting. He is sitting there and saying "these ppl r b town no tuchin dem!!!". There is no protown motivation for this kind of behavior. His closest semblance to scumhunting is saying "these ppl r not b untuchable ima sit onna fence YEEHA".defending someone who you believe is town from being lynchedis a pro-town action. Additionally, saying that we've been fencesitting while we've been trying move the votes off people we think are town and onto a scummy player (sir bastion) is a fucking joke. The term "fencesitting" refers to not taking a stance. We have been taking a stance.
I'll completely level with you and say that at first, I didn't agree with Regfan on SD, I skimmed his ISO, thought he was sort of scummy solely on gut, had a self-meta thing I didn't like, but he convinced me after a bit. Two things - firstly, there are some secret reasons he doesn't want to out as to why he thinks SD is town, but I suppose that won't matter if you don't trust us on that. Secondly, scumhunting is a thought process, not just a singular vote. Just because he is voting for someone we believe is town (and still do) does not mean he is scum - the fact remains that his thought process and reasoning read as a genuine albeit flawed town player who is looking for mafia. THAT is why he is town. You need to stop thinking on such a fucking superficial level about things.REASON TWO:
His townread on SD is utter bullshit. He says it's because of SD's scumhunting. SD is voting us, and we're one of Dup's untuchables. Plus, SD doesn't even have a good reason to be on us. Fakeread is fake.
Direct quote from Regfan on this: "i did try to derail the votes of you, if you want quotes i can go get them but holy fuck you must be blind if you're seriously trying to push this"REASON THREE:
He's trying so hard to derail the SD wagon. He tried so hard to get us off Tragedy. But he just shrugs his shoulders at the votes on us. Inconsistency.
Because Amrun is more competent than you. This game is lacking real anaylsis and Amrun posting or at least reading the thread would assist in that. Further than that, though, what scum motive is there in pushing Amrun to post?REASON FOUR:
He was probably THE most vocal person clamoring for Amrun. Why? Why do you want more activity from an already active slot instead of from lurkers? Why don't you get gorilla to post, because I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted ONCE yet.
Also, I've been discussing with him behind the scenes, I generally don't post as much as him, but we've worked on posts collaboratively.
direct quote: "i have a good idea how the battery works from reading into it and watching and playing a few of vi's games, there's multiple factors and variables and 1) i have shared that everyone needs to stay active and post relevant posts to keep us from being deadlined 2) experience 3) spamming from one player changes the total post count variable but without everyone posting it would only gain us a slight bit of time 4) i have posted in shorter bursts than normal but i don't multipost because i find it annoying to read and to cut my thoughts into various posts"REASON FIVE:
Let's get this part out of the way first- he put words in SD's mouth.
But it gets worse. He claims he knows how the battery operates, and that it's by postcount. He uses SD's multipost as an excuse to derail that wagon. But not the votes on us, even though we also multipost. More inconsistency.
And that's not all. Order now and we'll double the inconsistency! So Mister Duplicity, the battery operates on postcount you say? This needs it's own mini-list:
1. Why not share this earlier?
2. How do you know this?
3. If you're so worried about getting deadlined, why don't you just spam it up?
4. If multiposting is protown, how come you don't do it?There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Regfan says less trolling, more postingThere are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Sir Bastion, I've no idea how you expect us to continue to push a case on you when you've been lurking for the last 3 pages, but okay.
Actually, I had a bit of a lightning bolt moment last night but i've got a few questions for you before I say what it was.
Sir, your vote is still on Hoppster but you haven't really been addressing him at all. Do you still suspect him, and if so, why?
Furthermore, you mentioned early in the game you thought etherealcookie was posting strangely, and made a post about it that we called you out on. Humor me, what's your read on him currently, since you haven't mentioned him in a while either?There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Tragedy wrote: I pretty much realized that Duplicity was calling on Amrun, but not the lurkers. Now I keep thinking he's distancing some more now.In post 279, Tragedy wrote:So basically, you're saying that we should WAIT for Amrun so the game would move more? REALLY?
Now I know you're mentally retarded and a terrible player and all of that (And yes I don't give a fuck if I'm insulting this game is a piece of shit and needs someone to yell at people to put them right other than Scumhunter) but how about you actually read our fucking posts. The quoted below should make it incredibly fucking obvious that we want the lurkers to start posting and that we don't want the game to stop waiting for Amrum but rather her to speed the fuck up and get in here because SleepyKrew is starting to prove Scumhunter right from Mallows game.
In post 243, Duplicity wrote:Ghostwriter, Robotcopter, Scumhunter, Benmage and Dramonic I have no thoughts on at all but know they need to start contributing. Primate is still suspicious though I'm waiting for his dose of content that he has promised before making a final decision on him.In post 229, Duplicity wrote:I need some content from the lurkers because at this point I'm convinced majority of the scum lie in there.In post 195, Duplicity wrote:People need to start contributing, not just to stop this from being deadlined but because there's so little content in this thread it's unbelievable.
.In post 154, Duplicity wrote:We need to keep the activity up to a high level otherwise the battery is going to deadline us way too soon.
@ Scumhunter -I mean it, the trolling needs to stop and you need to start posting content because you're the only reason I'm still in this game.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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The current pet theory of mine is that SB is scum distancing from EC. Will elaborate later.
Regfan reads Benmage as town, don't have the reasoning right now but he wanted me to post that.
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Considering this thread seems to be dying down in activity I'll go into our disagreement of read on Sir. Initially I had a scum-read on him and Gorilla had a town-read and was convinced my scum-read was playstyle based so we went through his posts and I pointed out exactly what made me suspect him, Gorilla agreed and we shifted his vote to us and then I started getting a terribad townie who can't defend himself properly feeling from Sir which Gorilla disagreed with. Anyway, although his recent post is proddodgish Gorilla no longer wants to continue to vote him either.
Farside, the town read on Gaoth is as previously said mostly meta based combined with his paranoia reading as genuine. Also Scumhunters vote on us was very obviously him trolling and is something he does in every game and not a reason to vote/push on him for however there is something that feels off about him this game and it involves his push on Benmage and his avoidance on commenting on the Sir case that we pushed forward. If he really were town ready to stop the rvs and play seriously I know the very first thing he would focus on doing is looking at my posts and thoughts and questioning, agreeing or disagreeing with them.
@Amrum - You're going to need to give more reads than that.
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No, it doesn't. It really doesn't.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Had a few long days, catching up on everything now though I haven't seen or heard from Gorilla in a while.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ Scumhunter -Benmages best town award is meaningless, he's actually a very weak town player and a strong scum player and yes he is often very illogical. His attack towards you and back at Hoppster attached with his willingness to admit when he's wrong is what makes him town. My vote on you is mainly due to the fact that you're avoiding taking many strong stances and seem to be ignoring a great deal of the playerlist. Furthermore you're fencesitting on whether you think I'm town or mafia. I have a few questions I want to you to answer including:
1. What's your read on Sir Bastion? Do you find his meta research on who has played together with who as a town or scum-tell?
2. What's your read on Tragedy? Do you think she's playing to her scum-play in the newbie we played with her or her town-play in mallows game?
3. Who would you consider your strongest town reads right now?
@ Farside -Gaoths playstyle is hard to describe but I would suggest reading through those in comparison to his scum play in 90s Band Mafia.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Deadline is coming up and we need to start getting some serious votes down otherwise this is going to be a last minute vote scramble plus we need ample time to get claims before a lynch. I'd be content with a lynch one one of Ethernal, Robo, Dram, Scumhunter, Ghost, Primate and potentially Tragedy (She's avoided addressing the logical flaws in her opinions and instead is rather lurking the day out) right now and have relatively strong town reads on everyone else.
Out of those I'm most confident on Primate being scum at the moment, he still has his vote on no one and has avoided taking any real stances in his most recent post just to promise activity at a later date not follow through with it but post elsewhere on the site.
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I'm swamped and incredibly tired right now but I'll devote time for a re-read on this game tomorrow. Still very much want a Primate lynch at this point though there's a few other lynches I'm happy to settle with Dramonics being one if he doesn't start actually providing some content. Just a few quick things before I sleep though:
@ Farside -Gaoths paranoia stems from him reading me completely incorrectly when I was mafia in the last game we played and Scumhunters revolves around the fact that we're played hundreds of games of mafia together on an alternate site where for some reason he 'fears' me plus he's a troll.
- It's not just Faradays last game but your governing on Zdenek goes down as the dumbest movie a townie has even made in forum mafia in my books.
@ Benmage
@ Oversoul -It's a no-jester game as stated by the sign up thread and the rules. I'm agreeing with most of your town-reads except the EC read, ISO him again and you'll find he's been almost content-less throughout this game while criticizing others content levels. Also your Benmage scum read is way off, I've explained why he's town earlier but essentially his attack and retraction of attack on Hoppster as well as his suggesting of policy lynching Scumhunter are both town tells for him.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Oh and I'll explain whatever I know and understand about the battery tomorrow, far too tired to do so right now.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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The decline speed of the battery and low amount of activity mean we've likely got two days until deadline strikes, in that time Dramonic needs to come in here and claim because as much as I still want a Primate lynch it looks almost inevitable that a Dram one will be going through instead.
Also given the possibility that I might die tonight I rather get out my reads one last time:
Town Reads (Strongest to weakest):Oversoul, Benmage, Farside, Gaoth, Hoppster, Shadow Dancer, CATFISH, (Large Gap), Tragedy.
Null Reads:Robocopter, Dramonic, GhostWriter, Sir Bastion (Disagreement on him).
Scum Reads (Strongest to weakest):Primate, Ethereal Cookie (If he flips scum odds Sir is scum are incredibly high), Scumhunter.
@ Scumhunter -The main reason I suspect Primate has nothing to do with lack of content but rather contradicting stances early in the game and then a reduction of stances taken continuing on into a promise of content and stances taken which was never followed through on.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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I can get behind an EC lynch though deadlines making it looking slightly unlikely to occur. I still think Primate needs to hang at some point though, from what I can tell he hasn't caught up with the thread at all but did meta research on Dram, stated his persona is different when he's town but still refrained from placing a vote or stating his thoughts on anything else.
Unvote: Primate, Vote: EC
@ Bastion - Gorilla seems adamant that your post where you quote stripped EC stating suspicious actions of his but not voting him is a distancing attempt.
@ Dram - At this point it's looking very much like you need to claim.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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If votes are split evenly between two leading wagons, it's the player who got placed to the number first that's lynched.
Gaoth, explained why you read EC as incredibly townie - in reading his ISO he came off as excessively mocking in a lot of his posts, where he uses sarcasm rather than solid logic to make points. He attacks people but doesn't show strong follow-through meaning he's basically sniping at people to make them look scummy.
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That's just the thing though, I don't see his attacks as trying to rock the boat at all - he's not going out of his way to anger anyone or be aggressive, more like he's using a "herpaderp" posting style to camouflage weak posts. The tone feels forced, in other words.
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Getting to this game properly later today, skimmed it so far and yes I am a 1-shot neighbourizer however there's a little more to my role than that but I'll explain it at a later time. For the love of god don't quick lynch anyone in the next few hours.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Oh and typically a rolecop that finds out alignment and the role of someone is a mafia role.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Regfan and I agree this is the right move to make:
VOTE: Benmage
SB trying to push Benmage before claiming is believable and we don't see him faking a guilty here as mafia.
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Sir Bastion is essentially clear and instant outs any guilty he has, no reason to out innocents yet though and tomorrow massclaim may be optimal but for now keeping doctor hidden is our best bet. Scumhunter, Oversoul and Quilford are very likely town due to interactions with Benmage and Dramonic looks worse though I'm not particularly keen on the idea of lynching him just yet. Ignoring interactions I also have weaker town reads on CATFISH, Gaoth and Farside meaning the scum is very likely some of Primate, Ghostwriter and Tragedy. Of those I'm still most confident in a Primate lynch at the moment.
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Yeah, 'no result' very likely mans you were roleblocked.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 632, farside22 wrote:I still standby my Tradegy town read. You want to explain the reason you have him as scum dup?
It's mostly process of elimination but it also revolves around a lack of interaction between Benmage and her and her continued uselessness and avoidance of addressing the flaws in her opinions when pointed out. Overall though it's a relatively weak read in comparison to my scum-reads on Primate and Ghost.
Oh and Slaxx would have cop investigating GF as an innocent result not a 'no result'.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ Tragedy -Four scum is very likely, now can you start contributing via stating your town/scum reads please.
@ Scumhunter -Quilfords vote and push on Benmage at the start of D2 doesn't read as a bus to me at all, don't see mafia considering 'bussing' their rolecop in a setup that seems to be likely pr heavy.
@ Amrum -As much as I'd love to see a case on Dramonic I want the rest of your reads too.
I'll put together the reasoning behind why I think Primate is scum exactly tomorrow sometime, got to head to work now.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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I don't like a Dramonic lynch at all at the moment, I understand where you're coming from Amrun about Benmage defending him and pushing a counter-wagon but the biggest thing stopping me from believing that is the fact that Dramonic was around near deadline but didn't even place down a vote to attempt to save himself. In all of Slaxx's modded games mafia have had daytalk so I'm going to go ahead and assume they have it this game because I have it too, if Benmage was attempting to defend his partner Dram, he'd have yelled at him in the QT to lay down a vote. if you want to see what Benmage with daytalk is like take a look at Mafia Invictus QT.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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I'll briefly try and explain why I think Primate is scum:
- Benmages only interaction with him is calling him the biggest vet here, they never mention each other again, now he rolecopped me because i'm the most 'dangerous' but if he thought Primate was the biggest vet he'd likely have checked him over me.
- Primates been continuously avoiding taking any real or strong stances and been trying to coast through by providing minimal and promising more.
- During the end of D2 Primate put forward a meta-case on Dramonic then refrained from voting, if he doesn't vote often that's fair enough but if he's gone so far to do meta research surely he believes in it enough to lay down a vote.
- In his post today when he explains his absence he doesn't even attempt to create or state reads from the past 10+ or so pages where a lot of content has been laid, instead he just votes Dramonic for lurking.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ SleepyKrew -If your question is does the 'Extra part' of my role show up in my role name the answer is no and at this point I may as well openly reveal what it is. We're unable to neighbourize power roles, meaning we can only neighbourize VTs or Vanilla mafia. It makes our power partially investigative but we only have one-shot and one-reattempt. That is if we attempt to neighbourize someone that isn't a VT/Vanilla mafia we only have one chance to try again, if it fails we aren't able to neighbourize at all. We did neighbourize last night and it was successful.
@ Scumhunter -Lol be paranoid more. Our reasoning for Primate being our strongest FoS on D1 revolved around his posts read as if he was attempting to avoid conflict and attention and the fact that he continued to provide larger amounts of texts but no real content.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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I'd bet on Hoppster dying because mafia were doctor hunting.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Amrun, I really don't like/agree with a Dramonic lynch at this point, are you willing to compromise elsewhere because I'd settle with a Ghostwriter lynch if you don't want to lynch Primate.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Still very content with a Primate lynch though I'd switch to Ghost if a wagon got started there and Amrun you need to respond to my posts stating why I disagree with the Dram wagon. Also, right now my town-read on Gaoth has effectively faded away and to answer your question Mystery, I'm almost certain you're town.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Every Slaxx game has had daytalk for the mafia.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Farside wrote:@Duplicity: Is this theory based on one game?
No, it's based on at least four and potentially 6, I'd need to check his earlier games to make sure though. And no, Slaxx detests insane cops ect, though he does love inclusion of roleblockers and similar things to prevent it from being a follow the cop style game.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 742, Tragedy wrote:Assuming that this was real, then why did Benmage reveal his result in public? More WIFOM now?
Simply put it verifies his claim, without him counter-claiming anything resembling cop he would have been instantly lynched meaning he was compelled to counter-claim with his legitimate role (Role-cop), guessing a random persons role would damn him more often than not so he revealed his legitimate rolecop on me to:
1) Legitimate his claim (Ie. Prove that he is indeed a role-cop) and
2) To attempt to sway my vote by stating he knew my role and alignment.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 741, Sir Bastion wrote:thats enough for now, confirm if its 6 games or not, but lets not turn this into a complete outguess the mod game as we could make too many assumptions.
I found four games with day-talk, one game without and I can't find the mafia QT from the last game he hosted so it's 4-1-? in terms of inclusion of daytalk in his games. I do know that I have daytalk though which makes it all the more likely scum have it too.
@ SleepyKrew - You're really going to continue to derp around about that all game aren't you?There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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@ Scumhunter -His report doesn't "clear me" and I've explained why I think he outted his report already. Spending time focusing solely on this is a complete waste of time and you know that, especially considering my role is already confirm-able (It's been used, would rather not out the target but they can confirm it at a later point) furthermore my ability is a fashion an 'investigative role' since I can only neighbourize vanilla mafia/vts which would be pointless and meaningless as a mafia role especially considering they had a mafia rolecop.
@ Quilford -I agree that Sleepys push is laughable but I don't think he's mafia and Amruns case against Dramonic makes a lot of logical sense which I see coming from town though I disagree with the conclusions she draws and her insistence that Dram is scum despite the fact he didn't make any attempt to place a vote to save himself D1. Which of your reads at the moment would you consider to be your 'stronger' ones.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Right now this is where Gorilla and I are sitting:
Town Reads:Sir Bastion, Scumhunter, Oversoul, Farside, CATFISH, Quilford.
Null Reads:Dramonic, Tragedy.
Scum Reads:Primate, Ghostwriter, Gaoth.
My town-read on Gaoth has completely evaporated, at this point he's effectively doing everything he can to avoid posting any form of content in this thread at all and it's not something I've ever seen him do as town before. Furthermore I don't understand his supposed strong scum-read on Dramonic that has led him to vote him without considering the case proposed against Primate at all.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 778, Tragedy wrote:So you considerin' that Dramonic ain't somehow connected to Gaoth now? Or assuming Dram's town, you'd want to lynch Primate or Gaoth afterwards? And your town read on me dropped because I'm not giving out reads or doing anything townie that you would think I'd normally do?
I'm having some slight trouble following this so apologies if I don't answer exactly what you're after here. I don't think there's any real chance for Dramonic and Gaoth to be scum partners at all, if one flips scum I'd consider the other as highly likely town, with that said yes I do want Primate lynched (Thus my vote on him) but also think that Ghost and Gaoth are scum.
And yes, my loss of town-read on you is because I saw that you're able to play relatively competently as town (For instance in Election Mafia) where you can actually state and explain reads, throughout this game you've barely done that and instead seem to be clinging on to your earlier reads however illogical they may be.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 780, Tragedy wrote:
If Ghostwriter flipped town, how would your opinion on everyone change?
Seeing that Oversoul is freaking clinging onto you like a magnet and a horseshoe, why do you assume that he's town?
I haven't clung onto my earlier 'illogical' reads and TRYING to push them like crazy, sorry. It's just that Primate and Dramonic are being completely lurky now.
I keep forgetting that Oversoul is here too.
Not following the relevance of this line of questioning - from how it seems ghost isn't getting lynched today therefore his flip isn't possible to impact my reads. With that said, none of my reads revolve around my read on him, in other words if he flips town or scum my reads don't change at all. There's a lot of Oversouls posts that I read as very very likely town and although he has/is buddying me to a degree I don't think he's scum.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 781, Gaoth wrote:
Draminic not hammering has me conflicted. On one hand, it could be scum looking for town cred by not hammering. On the other hand, it could be scummy town avoiding a chance to look scummier. Any thoughts on this?
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In post 784, dramonic wrote:Because Benmage claiming an investigation on Duplicity is a very compelling argument to confirm him
No one has said it does but you seem to 'suspect me' to some degree as it's preventing you from voting/hammering Primate so would you mind attempting to explain your scum-read or at least present your complete reads list/contribute at all.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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Cop guilty on Quilford is good though surprising, it shows my reads have been abysmal this game. I highly doubt there's a framer, especially given the scum power we've already seen and know about. Mass-claim is a fantastic idea due to the fact that there's only been vanilla townie deaths so far and therefore are likely a few more power-roles out there. Claiming would lead towards narrowing down the investigation pool and potential lynch pool in future days. One thing must be done if we mass-claim though and that is doctor has to claim vanilla townie. I'd suggest Sir Bastion makes a claim order and we stick to it and get through it as fast as possible.
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I'd bank on there being four scum total so after this lynch just one remaining, also Slaxx isn't bastardy enough to have a death miller so speculation of it is needless. Mass-claim occurring today is probably optimal though again a doctor or protective role should be claiming VT because there's most certainly one remaining. Also the fact that you weren't roleblocked means that mafia probably had a limited amount of shots for roleblocking and that it's used up.
Also this game continues to prove how terrible my reads are at the moment. I messaged Gorilla a few hours ago asking him to discuss reads with him before this day started, we both had agreed that Scumhunter was probably town due to Benmage-Scumhunter interaction and that Dramonic might actually be mafia despite our town-read on him and insistence that his lack of self-defense and placing a vote made him town earlier. Looks like we're wrong on both fronts.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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I'm not placing a vote and urge everyone else to refrain from doing so at the moment as well, we need to organize and finish a mass-claim as well as give everyone time to chime in before we even consider lynching.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.-
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In post 886, Sir Bastion wrote:what are the odds on me investigating 4 times and hitting scum 3 times and being roleblocked once? its all rather weird...
I don't think the odds matter at all, sure it's unlikely to occur if it was suggested to happen pre-game but it's what seems to have happened so there's no reason to question it. One thought I have is that it's possible the roleblocking is odds/evens nights rather than limited shot so if you don't mind can you quickly summarize your investigations in order for me.There are three ways of dealing with difference: domination, compromise, and integration. By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish. - Mary Parker Follett.