Gay Mafia - Town (and NS) Win!

[Pine]

Sup queers

Need to reacquaint myself with this game

[Pine]

ARE YOU PEOPLE FUCKING INSANE

We are NOT lynching the Beloved Princess on Day 2.

Not.

Happening.

Vote: Wyrd

[Pine]

Oh hell. Right. Umbrage is the Beloved Princess that you derpfucks want to lynch.

Nobody Special is acceptable, but I'm much more keen on Wyrd.

[Pine]

Nobody Special, what's your role NAME?

[Pine]

Unvote
Vote: dybeck

I agree. Besides, Staeg's flip disproves dybeck's claim. Down with the infidel.

[Pine]

I refuse to believe there are this many investigative roles.

Staeg - Reck - Gay Cop
Nacho - UT - Straight Cop
Dybeck - Oprah - Gay investigator
Unknown - Orientation Revealer

Pretty sure there was another one somewhere. Didn't SRG claim an investigative role?

There's just no fucking way there's so many. Dybeck's is by far the most fishy, and Staeg's flip makes Nacho's more believable.

Why the fuck is there resistance to lynching Dybeck? Does anyone actually believe him?

[Pine]

Right. Okay, then there's just the one anomalous claim - Dybeck.

Why is he still alive.

[Pine]

Congratulations! You've established that Umbrage is an idiot. That doesn't make him any less Town.

[Pine]

Umm, no it doesn't. Staeg was Reck, Gay Cop. SRG and Nacho claimed Untrod Tripod, Straight Cop.

Stop being an idiot, Umbrage.

[Pine]

Yeah, again. Is there anyone out there who actually believes dybeck's claim?

[Pine]

Wow. That's horribad scumming.

Shame on you, Fate. I expect better from you.

[Pine]

"Dybeck is obvtown for the way Staeg counter-claimed him and he re-clarified his claim."

The fuck? He's obvTown for getting counter-claimed, CHANGING his claim, and then having the counter-claimant turn up dead and telling the truth?

Go back into your hole.

[Pine]

Umbrage. Read this post.

No, seriously, read it.

Dybeck claimed Oprah, Gay Cop, then changed his claim when countered.
Staeg claimed Reckoner, Gay Cop, and flipped it.
Nacho claimed Untrod Tripod, Straight Cop. He has not been countered.
Nacho is telling the truth, and is therefore Town.

Stop being a moron.

[Pine]

I can't help it, I'm an optimist.

[Pine]

Wait, Umbrage claimed bulletproof?

That...changes things.

Hrm. Need to think things through again.

[Pine]

Vote: RayFrost

At this point, I'm ready to suspect anyone who turns up straight.

Also, I contracted AIDS overnight.

[Pine]

Night Three

[Pine]

Also, judging from the lack of AIDS deaths, it appears to be some sort of status condition, rather than a kill/poison effect.

Additionally, Spyrex got AIDS the same night as I did. Probably a mod mistake, but they addressed it to both of us (rather than BCCing it).

Here's my setup spec regarding AIDS: There's a modified SK out there. They win when every living player has AIDS. They can infect two people per night. There's both a blocker (NS) and a healer (Shidaji).

[Pine]

Ehhh. I've had a raging mega-huge

boner[/b] scum read for Wyrd all game, but if Deltawave flips scum, that clears Wyrd in the process.

Don't trust you any farther than I can throw you, but it makes sense.

Unvote
Vote: Deltawave

[Pine]

Apologies for my recent absence, I've had very limited access to the site in the last few days. It's been site-wide, confirm here if need be.

I'm completely throat-fucked by this thread. No idea who's scum and not.

[Pine]

RayFrost also got investigated as Straight. Not keen on letting that go.

Vote: RayFrost

[Pine]

DGB is gay and Town. Just like Umbrage was.

[Pine]

He investigated as straight *in addition to* the other reasoning against him.

[Pine]

What I want to know here is how it's possible for us to have this SHENANIGANS of a 3rd cop

UNVOTE, VOTE: RAYRAY

Four, actually. Gay Cop, Straight Cop, Gay Voyeur, Orientation Investigator

Ray vote is good anyway though

[Pine]

Unvote

Will deal with this when I get home

[Pine]

Aren't you the straight cop, Nacho? I claimed gay Day One.

[Pine]

NAMES BUTT MONKEYS

Wasn't on board with DGB's suspicion at first, this obv stall changes that

[Pine]

Vote: RayFrost

The constant nagging for a case not based on flavor strikes me as incredibly scummy. It smacks of "Shit, I didn't think this bluff would be called! Panicked OMGUS, activate!"

Let's not have a repeat of the Aftermath, folks. I carry enough shame for that game, without making the same mistake of not confirming suspicious late-game Masons twice.

[Pine]

Kuribo, I may be an idiot on occasion, but I'm not a derp. The difference is in repeating your mistakes; I tend not to.

Both Jason and Ray have been coasting like mofos all game. I might buy it that they were trying to avoid notice to spring Masons late in the game, but they didn't indicate as such. They've simply been laying low without really good reason.

[Pine]

Of the two, Katsuki is much more likely to be Town. I recall spotting something before the crash that convinced me wholly of DGBTown, but I don't remember exactly what it was.

[Pine]

Outside Ray/Jason, Katsuki is rising to the top of my list, dramonic not far behind. Also starting to get very suspicious of Nacho's continued, unroleblocked survival. Scum had a roleblocker, why didn't they use it or kill him?

[Pine]

All targets. Now. Omit last night's as they will allegedly still be in effect

[Pine]

Didn't you say you passed out two a night? Someone with archive access double check please

[Pine]

I'm at my grandmother's house for Easter, and she doesn't have wireless. Can someone check the archive? If Ray or Jason ever voted one another or expressed suspicion of the other, they're confirmed fakes. Check RVS especially

[Pine]

Actually, I said that Katsuki was more likely to be SCUM than DGB. Hell, after you and your butt buddy, she and dramonic top my scum list

[Pine]

Oh hey that is a typo. Contextually you can see that it's not internally consistent though, that should have been a tip off

And I know what you Baptists do with each other's butts. Sick fuckers

[Pine]

Lol, there are still people calling DGB scum. Yeah, because it's a good idea to counter fake claim real Masons. I don't know whether she's for real or not (I'd usually think lolgambit, but that claim looks excellent and in line with flavor, and she immediately called shenanigans on Mason claims) but it's definitely not scum. Way too risky, especially as she might be forced to out one of her buddies

Ray today, Jason tomorrow. Should put us one away from eliminating Mafia

PE: "Fuck all information?" Her claim was immediately full, and was based on two famous gays. Unlike yours, which was belabored and nondescript

[Pine]

NS fishing for Masonbuddy noted

[Pine]

ARE YOU NUTS

You do NOT force Masons to out without need you scumfucks

Everyone is ignoring your double Mason question because it is moronic, NS.

[Pine]

You weren't forced, you outed as a result of both being suspected. You outing was defensive, DGB countering was an offensive move

Ray won't be flipping Town. Regardless, DGB might be using her trademark fakeMason gambit, but I don't think so

[Pine]

Several times, just in games I've been in with her. Like Mastin fake Daycopping

[Pine]

Two famous gays who are married to each other, and gave names immediately. Counterclaimed suspicious claim when she was not at risk herself

Versus

Unknown fag and unknown faghag, dithered with names. Claimed only under mutual pressure

Yeah, she's got credibility all over your Baptist asses

PE: That isn't even a little contradictory

[Pine]

Hey, Ray just slipped. Read it again.

His insistent framing of DGB's claim as 2v1 gives it away. Let's pretend for a sec. Pretend Ray/Jason are for real. How would that result in "Remov[ing] two conf-towns, lose one scum"? AT BEST for DGB, she takes out one Mason, and the other is inviolable, in exchange for her getting lynched. Not a fair trade at all.

But no, Ray knows that if he and Jason fail, it's both their asses. For them, it IS 2v1

[Pine]

I hadn't noticed the L-1.

Unvote

It makes sense to get DGB's hypo-partner UNLESS we decide to lynch her. But we need it if we're going to lynch Ray. Scum already have auto-kill targets even without the townDGB's mason partner (Nacho, me), so the harm in advertising it is limited AFAICT.

Okay,

this

argument makes sense. None of the others I've heard for revealing buddy have.

[Pine]

Spyrex, you really need to stop believing your own myth. You are not a POWERFUL WIZARD

[Pine]

I'm not DGB's partner

[Pine]

Yeah, problem with your claim is that you claimed third party, but not an alternate wincon. Which means that you're scum.

VOTE: kuribo

[Pine]

...that is clearly what I was implying, asshat

[Pine]

So, just out of curiosity, who doesn't have AIDS? Were you close to winning?

[Pine]

Okay. Seven left. If it's 4:2:1, we lynch kuribo, that makes it 4:2, we go straight to LyLo tomorrow with 3:2. If it's 5:1:1, we're in better shape with 4:1 tomorrow. Started with 17, but with an unusual third party, kind of hard to guess the starting number of scum.

I'm pretty sure Spy, NS, and Icerink are Town.

[Pine]

I can't imagine it matters anymore. If nothing else, you tripped up when you claimed Magic Johnson. You were outed as Gay in the day-opener, you're going down.

[Pine]

Just irritated when someone who's clearly in an irretrievable position gets all huffy.

[Pine]

you don't get it just from me giving it, dude

you can also get it by visiting other people who already have it

Then I'd be dead by now. I've visited someone every night, including you. Bullshit is bullshit

The difference between you and me is that in 142, you couldn't

prove

I was third party. You're just flailing here.

I wanted Jason and Ray dead because I genuinely thought they were scum that were desperately fakeclaiming Masons. I had solid Townreads on you and DGB.

[Pine]

I say we hang Katsuki and have NS protect someone we know doesn't have AIDS. When kuribo dies is less relevant than making sure his wincon doesn't trigger

Unvote
Vote: Katsuki

[Pine]

Confirmed Town has role related evidence that you fakeclaimed. You OMGUS hard, don't ya?

As previously stated, I have AIDS. NS, I don't recall you saying you have it. Can you protect yourself?

Also thinking kuribo's "Super AIDS" talk is bullshit. He'd have killed NS

[Pine]

Kats in damage control mode is adorable

Let's get this out of the way. I'm the orientation investigator. Harvey something or other, from the TMZ blog

[Pine]

What are you smoking? I didn't want Nacho dead much longer after he claimed, and not at all after Staeg flipped, and the way dybeck and Staeg claimed sounded in conflict. Imagine you're an investigative role and THREE other people claim investigator in a 17-player game. You'd think that was ridiculously investigation heavy too. So fuck off, pull back confirmation bias, and evaluate it objectively. That's WHY I claimed, because we may be in MyLo and I want you to have plenty of warning.

The role's existence isn't really debateable. It's revealed someone's orientation every day.

Oh, and last name is Levin. Harvey Levin. Had to check the PM again, I've never heard of him before

[Pine]

Well congrats, Spy. You just guaranteed that LyLo is going to come down to you, me, and scum, and they're going to quickhammer

[Pine]

See, but he can't win as long as there's a Townie we can protect with NS's condoms. So we take out Kats first, with kuribo rendered impotent (ha!) Meanwhile, he still counts against scum for their required ratio to win*. Take out Kats first.

*7 alive right now. It's either 4:2:1 or 5:1:1. However, from the Mafia's perspective, it's either 2:5 or 1:6. We kill kuribo now, and it's 2:4/1:5 after lynch, 2:3/1:4 after NK. If we hold onto Kuribo, he's a placeholder for a Townie against Mafia. This SuperAIDS shenanigans is an unknown variable, but we're better off hedging our bets against the more threatening faction.

[Pine]

I'm kinda insulted that you would refer to me as a boring anything.

Also, I still want an NS lynch.

Yeah, I bet.

Regular scum's a possibility, I suppose. Unsure what the point of claiming AIDS-giving third party would be then.

[Pine]

If your conf. town then it means either something happened or you're lying because otherwise you'd be lying dead right now.

Pine is claiming scum so hard right now that it's beautiful. Probably didn't claim mason because his role is more important that Kuribo's.

Actually

UNVOTE, VOTE: PINE

This is the absolute first time Katsuki ever mentions me. The OMGUS inherent in her recent attacks on me is just plain shameful.

[Pine]

KATSUKI IS A HIM YOU SCUM FUCK

WHY DO PEOPLE IN THIS SITE KEEPFUCKING DOING THIS

Because Katsuki doesn't assign itself a gender, and routinely has pussyass avatars. It's not a fucking Holmesian mystery.

[Pine]

Fuck this noise. I'm calling Kats "it" from now on

[Pine]

That's reasonable. Super-AIDS shenanigans kind of negates the reason to favor putting him off until tomorrow, making it pretty irrelevant which goes first.

There's also the possibility that Super-AIDS is halted by kuribo's death.

Unvote
Vote: kuribo

[Pine]

^L-1

[Pine]

Katsuki PGO claim definitively disproven. I took a risk and targeted it with my orientation-revealing power, and Lo! I live.

Vote: Katsuki

Die scum.

[Pine]

DGB claimed Mason with Kuribo. Icerink claimed to have targeted Kats N5, but there was the chance he'd been roleblocked or other shenanigans. My successful action is evidenced right in the Mod's day opener. Ergo, PGO claim is crap. With four left, and third party gone from the game, the Town/scum ratio is 3:1. Katsuki is the last mafioso

[Pine]

Are you drunk? I've provided indisputable proof that Katsuki fakeclaimed. What's there left to discuss?

[Pine]

...

Seriously?

No, seriously?

I can't deal with you from phone. It's inexplicable to me that you think someone who fakeclaimed, stuck to it when called on it by Icerink, then had their accuser turn up dead, then get PROVEN a liar could possibly be Town

[Pine]

You can't possibly tell me that Town would stick by a gambit fakeclaim that was proven wrong by now-confirmed Town. Town would hve admitted their gambit on the spot. Katsuki didn't; it stuck by its claim even more tenaciously.

[Pine]

Whatever Dram. Come up with a plausible scenario in which Katsuki, who has been scummy all game and now proven twice a liar, could POSSIBLY be Town.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

[Pine]

You win the gullibility crown.

Why are you protecting Katsuki? My role is clear, proven, and un-CC'd. It supports the Cops and provides no benefit to any known scum roles. You said yourself that you have Spy as confTown. You're obviously Town, as you'd have gleefully hammered if you were scum and Kats Town.

So what's the fucking holdup?

[Pine]

^Wut

You win the gullibility crown.

Why are you protecting Katsuki? My role is clear, proven, and un-CC'd. It supports the Cops and provides no benefit to any known scum roles. You said yourself that you have Spy as confTown. You're obviously Town, as you'd have gleefully hammered if you were scum and Kats Town.

So what's the fucking holdup?

Your role is clear, proven, un-CC'd and IMO completely void of alignment indicator since we lack any form of information on how the scum's actions/kills function exactly. Also I could be careful scum trying to not get shot back in the face by a vengeful townie for all you know, it's not like anything about me has been put in the open?

I want to discuss with SpyreX as to the proper approach, I'm not particularely comfortable with assuming you're town and assuming kats is scum in mylo.
Also I need shit clarified with our mods.

So hold your fucking horses.

Okay, let's have an exercise in logic, shall we?

From your perspective, you are Town. Stop me if I'm going too far.

You have claimed to know that Spyrex is Town. Stop me if I'm going too far.

Therefore, the last scum is either Katsuki or I. Stop me if I'm going too far.

Katsuki has been proven a liar not once, but twice. Stop me if I'm going too far.

The function of my role, that of publicly revealing one person's orientation per night, is not disputable. Stop me if I'm going too far.

This function helps the two, maybe three, flipped Town investigators perform their job. Stop me if I'm going too far.

No flipped scum roles benefit from my ability. Stop me if I'm going too far.

If I were the last scum, then the scumteam was Gay Godfather, Bisexual Roleblocker, Gay Orientation-Revealer. Stop me if I'm going too far.

The above set does not include anything that benefits from my ability. Stop me if I'm going too far.

In the above set, my ability is actually counter-productive for my team. Stop me if I'm going too far.

In the above set, the orientations are Bi-Gay-Gay, which makes the two Town Cops unequal in power. Stop me if I'm going too far.

Katsuki was revealed as straight at day start. Stop me if I'm going too far.

Katsuki as the last scum member makes the scum orientations Bi-Gay-Straight. Stop me if I'm going too far.

That makes the Cops balanced against each other in power. Stop me if I'm going too far.

Katsuki has done absolutely nothing this game that wasn't directly related to its own agenda. Stop me if I'm going too far.

My nameclaim is among the most pro-Gay-agenda people in the world. Stop me if I'm going too far.

Katsuki has failed to nameclaim. Stop me if I'm going too far.

Therefore, when having to choose between Katsuki (an orientation-balanced, selfishly-motivated, evasive, twice-proven liar) and myself (orientation imbalanced as scum, anti-scum ability, pro-Gay nameclaim) the only logical deduction is that Katsuki is the final scum, and it's time to end the game with a Town win.

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One final logical argument:

Why would I, the last scum, use an active ability on a claimed PGO? If I were wrong, that would be end-of-game for my faction.

Stop me if I'm going too far.

[Pine]

YES YOU WERE

Your increasingly implausible attempts to explain Katsuki's lies justified my dickishness. You'll note I didn't start out that way, and only became hostile after you started acting like a fool.

[Pine]

........

Are you serious? That's game.

[Pine]

Scum would have won if there were two left. Third party won and left the game. Ergo, one scum left, and we just lynched it.

Even if there was some non-Town left, there's only three players left. One night kill would make endgame.

This kind of buffoonery is why I felt justified in mocking you

[Pine]

What the deuce

[Pine]

Could be Iecerint's last effect. Might have aimed a song at Katsuki and the song's random effect made it unlynchable or something.

[Pine]

Oh, clever dram. Enough to mostly negate the idiocy from before.

Vote: Katsuki

[Pine]

I'm Town.

Confused right now. Spy did you claim scum for real or not

[Pine]

So Katsuki's just trolling us, then.

[Pine]

Multiple governors is as ridiculous as Dram's suggestion a few pages back that there might be multiple Vengeful Townies

[Pine]

First governor caught me totally offguard anyway, I'd have been mid-victory dance when Dram announced governor

[Pine]

Mod: Flip and/or votecount, please. Not fair to taunt, you dirty cockteases.

[Pine]

What the fuck.

Vote: No Lynch

[Pine]

Fucking finally.

Vote: Katsuki

[Pine]

FLAVOR RECK DAMN YOUR EYES

[Pine]

GODDAMN RIGHT TOWN WIN. TOWN ENABLED MY RIGHT NUT

[Pine]

Heh, you made it lynch-immune or something?

[Pine]

Heh, you made it lynch-immune or something?

Dram made Katsuki lynch immune.

During the day.

He said it was governor

[Pine]

Dead/Mafia QTs?

[Pine]

4/20 lynch Pine all day

even if we lose, if I get Pine lynched, this game will be a success


and when Pine inevitably reads this: <3 you Pine!

<3 I don't dislike you bro. You're just scary to get into a tunnel fight with.

Jesus, that Mafia QT is long. The Mafia team was made of the stuff dreams are made out of. I have NO idea, however, what could possibly have possessed you to counterclaim the Masons. The likelihood of two sets of Masons was so low, you were just begging to be strung up, no questions asked. The WIFOM just could not have been worth it.

Also, fuck you, dead QT haters.

[Pine]

4/20 lynch Pine all day

even if we lose, if I get Pine lynched, this game will be a success


and when Pine inevitably reads this: <3 you Pine!

<3 I don't dislike you bro. You're just scary to get into a tunnel fight with.

Jesus, that Mafia QT is long. The Mafia team was made of the stuff dreams are made out of. I have NO idea, however, what could possibly have possessed you to counterclaim the Masons. The likelihood of two sets of Masons was so low, you were just begging to be strung up, no questions asked. The WIFOM just could not have been worth it.

Also, fuck you, dead QT haters.

To be fair, they requested their mason fakeclaim before they knew there was already a set of masons in the game.

Yeah, but to actuallyuse it once actual Masons claimed is crazy. Win lose or draw on that particular day, that's not a wise long-term move unless it's LyLo or MyLo.

And I

THOUGHT

DGB was trying to get me to claim Masons with her, to back her play as it were. I just assumed it was a gambit. She tried to do something similar to that a day or two into the Aftermath, and someone (I forget who) actually did back her play.

[Pine]

At that point, I was believing DGB, but was hedging my bets. With conflicting Mason claims, we had two scum, period. I wasn't going to substitute in. Like I said, I was believing DGB, but wasn't going to take the shot for her partner if she was lying. Hence why I issued a flat denial that I was her buddy, and backed the demand that Kuribo lock himself into the claim.

[Pine]

Fucking Umbrage lynch. Asshats.

[Pine]

That was just epicly bad. At least I wasn't on it.

[Pine]

I lol'd

I tend to have confirmation bias issues >_>

[Pine]

You claiming beloved princess and being lynched anyway should give you some inkling that games are not enjoyable (or even playable) while you're alive and speaking. Just food for thought.

Only when assholes like you feel the need to play top dog.

The hypocrisy in this statement is stunning.

[Pine]

And by no means were you "confirmed", Umbrage. No idea where you get that idea.

[Pine]

NS is really the ONLY PERSON who should be bragging about their performance in this game.

[Pine]

You practically begged for it. You're intolerable for most people to play with, as evidenced by the fact that some of the classiest players and mods on this site are blacklisting you for dickishness

[Pine]

You were in no way confirmed. No one, not even me, one of the only Townies who thought you might be Town, thought you were confirmed. Any delusions of you being confirmed were pathetic figments of your self-aggrandizing imagination. Stop grandstanding, you unmitigated tool.

[Pine]

By that logic, scum would never claim Miller, either, so anyone who claimed it is by nature confirmed Town.

And yet, people do.

Umbrage, you seem to have difficulty understanding the meanings of some words. You use the word "confirmed" when you should use "probably" or even just "maybe". You use "never" or "always" when you really mean "rarely" or "usually". Work on that, k?

Much more pressing is the inexplicable hubris, though. Adults admit their mistakes, take responsibility for them, accept the suggestions and advice of their peers, and grow from experiences like this. It's why people are happy to play again with someone like myself, despite my admittedly subpar Town game, and you get blacklisted for your dickishness.

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You were an impenetrable barrier to getting scum lynched.

lol

We didn't lynch you for your claim, nor did we care what you flipped.

So you played against your wincon.

No, umbrage, my dear, there are times when the optimal play is to lynch a townie. This was indeed one of them.

Not sure if trolling or just really stupid.

Not sure if trolling or just really stupid.

[Pine]

Wow, the unjustified conceit coming from Umbrage is just...wow

[Pine]

Alternatively, he read a good game, then noticed that one of the players was being a complete jackass and replied.

The likelihood that Ythan is

stalking

you is nonexistent, and the fact that you apparently believe that idea fervently suggests some serious paranoid delusions.

[Pine]

HOW DARE YOU