Chrono Trigger Mafia Resurrection (Game Over)

[Justin Timberlake]

CES you should join us. Regfan says we can lynch Feysal tomorrow.

[Justin Timberlake]

Are you calling me a liar?

For the entirety of this game.

Rude.

[Justin Timberlake]

Eh CES, I think we need to work out the masons asap because although there's a lot of dead scum compared to dead town I don't think the ratio alive gives us that many more mslynchs if there's no more cross-kills. And at this point I'm growing more and more confident that the Nuwen/Kanye pairing are actually scum so lynching one of them will provide 1 confscum and 2 clears making it an optimal lynch.

Also Fate;
- Snifit is mason partners with Elmo. So Elmo on town list should be Snifit on town list.
- Zorasters sensor claim is town, so doubt he's scum.
- Explain the Oversoul town read for me, because I'm used to his town play consisting of him being super active, posting walls of thoughts ect. ect. he's done nothing like that this game, furthermore his defence of Feysal and Feysals ignorance of him make them very very very likely aligned together.

[Justin Timberlake]

Sorry, will make an effort to get to this game tonight.

[Justin Timberlake]

Unfortunatly Post 2438 comes across as town and very genuine - I remember Oversoul stating similar meta after a marathon game finished meaning my Feysal-Oversoul scum-team is probbbbaly wrong. Will need to revisit things and hopefully talk with Faraloser about it.

Also I don't see scum caring about the mason claims all that much at this point, there's enough obvtown they can happily kill instead meaning they won't be touching nuwen/elmo ect. anytime soon so the reasoning of 'waiting for scum to deal with them' for not lynching them today falls flat on it's head. I honeslty think the information gained from lynching them today when we know we have a mslynch safely is the best way to proceed. I also think that Fates right when he's saying their lack of care/scumhunting from Nuwen/Kanye right now doesn't make any sense whatsoever and would happily lynch either of them at this point.

Unvote, Vote; Kanye

[Justin Timberlake]

Shadow, just curious; Any reason why you can't throw down a vote yourself?

[Justin Timberlake]

Zoraster, Shadow1 is scum with Kanye/Nuwen. Feel free to read through their interactions.

If you're going to focus on this game for once then you can help me with my issue. That being that if Nuwen/Kanye/Shadow is scum and Feysal is too which I'm pretty confident in too then one of Fate/Alchemist/CES/LLD/Shumgen/Oversoul have to be scum too. I think Alchemist/CES/Fate is town very confidently meaning I have a wrong read somewhere in Shmugen, Oversoul and LLD. Find it for me?

[Justin Timberlake]

I think Shade team is Nuwen/Kanye/Shadow and the Pod team is Feysal + one of those others.

[Justin Timberlake]

Yes, Kayne mentioning Shadow1 0 times all game. Nuwens only mention of him being saying that her ghost vote is on him and Shadow1 never mentioning Kanye or Nuwen other than recently to say that he's happy with a lynch in the masons but no vote placed down.

[Justin Timberlake]

He's mentioned Shmugen 0 times as well, should I consider them in cahoots?

That's only a one-way interaction though. I don't really see Shmugens interactions with Nuwen/Kanye as well as Shmugen-Drey as partners.

[Justin Timberlake]

1. Guessing this has something to do with Nuwen being a strong PR and them attempting to save her long enough to make it usable plus they probably didn't expect to be counter-claimed and thought they could ride this out for a few days.

[Justin Timberlake]

holy fuck

FUCK

[Justin Timberlake]

excuse me

what the fuck did you just say

[Justin Timberlake]

look

i'll sing a fucking song if need be

you trolling little scumfuck (maybe, haven't read the thread in ages)

[Justin Timberlake]

NO BRAKES SHADOW

[Justin Timberlake]

i think he's implying u slipped bro

FUCK

[Justin Timberlake]

dat overreaction

[Justin Timberlake]

fos: shadow

[Justin Timberlake]

Not sure who we should lynch today.

Anyone have any scum reads? :/

[Justin Timberlake]

We have the gate key. Our options are to go to prehistory or future and we're leaning towards future right now, if anyone wants to convince us otherwise then they can go for it. Getting back to this, assuming CES/Alchemist/Zoraster/Masons town which is pretty much givens then;

DRey (12) -

Fate, Staeg

, Feysal,

SpyreX, zoraster, Alchemist

, Oversoul,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, Shadow1psc,

Elmo TeH AzN, Lady Lambdadelta

, Shmugen
Empking (1) - Code_X
SpyreX (1) -

DRey

snifit (3) -

Nuwen, kanyeknowsbest

,

bv310

Justin Timberlake (1) -

kuribo

Staeg (3) - pidgey,

Justin Timberlake, Empking

bv310 (1) -

snifit

Not Voting (1) - CastleCrasher6

Odd number on wagon = 1 or 3.

If 1 then; 1 of Feysal/Oversoul/Shadow/Shmugen + 2 of Code/Pidgey/Castle + Nuwen are scum.
If 3 then; 3 of Feysal/Oversoul/Shadow/Shmugen + Nuwen are scum.

We're both fairly confident (Not rock hard like our other reads) that Shmugen is town and I think Code/Pidgey have a decent chance of being so too. That means that I still think it's Nuwen+Shadow and Feysal+Oversoul though I'm rocky on the Oversoul read since his self-metaish post.

So I'd say lynching it Nuwen -> Shadow -> Feysal -> Oversoul -> Shmugen(Reconsideration-time) wins the game.

Vote: Nuwen

[Justin Timberlake]

2 pod scum alive. 2 shade scum alive. We know one confshade scum which means we're more likely to eliminate the shade faction first.

And yeah, just remembered someone else that wanted prehistory so we'll go there instead. Just thought that Zorasters sensor ability in the future would have meant going there leads to an easier win but the fact that the era doesn't change until tomorrow leaves too many chances for scum to kill him before we attain anything.

[Justin Timberlake]

Uneven scum teams are highly unlikely.

3 v 3 doesn't make sense - too town sided.
5 v 5 doesn't make sense - too scum sided.

Means 4 v 4 is the only likely option.

[Justin Timberlake]

Against multiple vigs, masons, a sensor and a lot of other abilities yes 3 v 3 is too town sided.

[Justin Timberlake]

Not a clue how we got here but Zoraster, can you use your ability today and if so do you get your result the second that night ends?

[Justin Timberlake]

The sooner the hammer is laid the better.

[Justin Timberlake]

Vote: Shadow

claim now. you're getting lynched today.

lynch feysal tomorrow.

zor flipped town. this means his claim is verified. so yeah.

[Justin Timberlake]

Feather: Feysal

that's him taken care of for tonight, too

[Justin Timberlake]

i mean

feysal probably killed ces right

[Justin Timberlake]

DRey (12) -

Fate, Staeg

, Feysal,

SpyreX, zoraster,

Alchemist, Oversoul,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, Shadow1psc,

Elmo TeH AzN, Lady Lambdadelta, Shmugen

Okay, the above are pretty much 100% town thrown in (Flips + Masons) and with Zorasters result as confirmed odd number on wagon that means there's either 1 or 3 scum within Feysal, Alchemist, Oversoul and Shadow without a doubt - still think Alchemist is super town and still think 3 scum on wagon is more likely than 1. I think having all of Feysal/Oversoul/Shadow claiming now is a good idea.

[Justin Timberlake]

Are you people even paying freaking attention? ZORASTER WAS NOT A SENSOR.

I don't think he flipping doctor changes anything at all. Zoraster has no reason to lie there as town, none and he's smarter then doing so. Furthermore we've had VTs that have flipped claiming to have powers meaning that it's 1) Entirely possible hes' a doctor with a sensor power as well or 2) Kdub messed the flip up.
1) Seems highly likely given the flavor I found of his character says ' Robo (ロボ Robo?) is a robot originally created to assist humans at the Proto Dome in Chrono Trigger' and a 'robot that assists' and 'sensor' fit fairly well. Though lets clear up 2):

Kdub, is Zorasters flip correct?

[Justin Timberlake]

Oversouls result on Primate checks out looking through his ISO, his request for Middle ages does too.

The wiki of Tata doesn't really give me anything about whether it makes sense as a cop or not though, someone who has played the games should comment on that.

[Justin Timberlake]

For those who are lazy;

Vote: Shadow Dancer

Please don't go down this path

Prehistory is boring

Middle Ages is pretty cool

please go to middle ages tonight

Please go to Middle Ages.

[Justin Timberlake]

come on fuckers let's claim it out.

[Justin Timberlake]

Im not really sure why oversoul and his claim "checks" to JT?? I mean, any decent scum would actually do something like that without much effort. Even if actions match content, its still not an foolproof, checked, claim.

The claim doesn't make him town alone but the fact that it checks out increases the chances he is town and the fact that kanye flipped investigation immune points towards a cop likely being in the setup. Plus either way scum cannot afford to keep Oversoul alive much longer so if he's scum he'll likely be cross-killed or sitting in a position where he's forced to explain why he's still alive later in the game. Feather does super secret things.

Feysal and Shadow1 need to get in here and claim next.

[Justin Timberlake]

5-3???

what

[Justin Timberlake]

The fact that there are 2 kills more than likely means that both scum groups are still going. Maybe 1 more lavos part and 2 more shadows, making it 3-5-thetown or something like that?

why would you assume this instead of 4-4

[Justin Timberlake]

lavos spawn according to ces

or something like that idk

[Justin Timberlake]

kay @ answer

you pass for now!

do you like carly rae jepsen btw? (also feysal and shadow need to claim!)

[Justin Timberlake]

ok that was a pro town response b/c of the lyrics. gg

[Justin Timberlake]

breadcrumbs are boring., he could have easily been setting up a fakeclaim from early if he's red scum and his faction were getting murderised. or maybe he just breadcrumbed cop as scum in case he wanted to use it. w/e

[Justin Timberlake]

I was just joking around.

[Justin Timberlake]

Quicklynching was neccesary yesterday, the longer that the thread was left open the more time it would give Nuwen a chance to organize kills between the scum-teams so that they don't double up and kill good targets.

I really do not see this game being anything other than 4-4 Shmugen. We need to hit the last shade scum and narrow down the kills.

[Justin Timberlake]

Shadow first, then Feysal tomorrow.

[Justin Timberlake]

Alchemist, that's impossible. It'd be an even number of scum on DreY. If both Feysal/Shadow are scum (Which they are) one of Oversoul/Shmugen has to be too.

[Justin Timberlake]

Alchemist, we agree that zoraster wasn't randomly fake claiming sensor (He's not dumb), so that means odd number of scum on this = 1 or 3;


DRey (12) -

Fate, Staeg,

Feysal,

SpyreX, zoraster,

Alchemist, Oversoul,

Cogito Ergo Sum

, Shadow1psc,

Elmo TeH AzN, Lady Lambdadelta

, Shmugen

If you colour Feysal and Shadow in red. That's 2, even number. You're obvtown meaning one of Shmugen/Oversoul would have to be scum (It's Oversoul).

[Justin Timberlake]

You're lucky you cut me, I had pressed submit to the post already. Anyway sure, I'll wait till all other claims are done.

[Justin Timberlake]

why did you start with the gate key shmugen?

[Justin Timberlake]

it's public you fucking clown

^

read the mod scenes tim. it states who uses it in them.

[Justin Timberlake]

We're mass-claiming because a correct lynch today and tomorrow turns the game into autowin; if both scum flip from on-wagon last scum has to be there too thereby clearing all of the off-wagon players and that combined with the masons being cleared turns the game into an easy situation.

[Justin Timberlake]

Oversoul are there any modifiers to your role name or are you just a regular cop?

[Justin Timberlake]

Again, for the purposes of not-mistake making, what's the case on Shadow?

- Sensor result + PoE
- The fact that he has no interaction with Kanye/Nuwen until the mason claims at all and they have none with him early/mid-game.
- The fact that he constantly said he's okay with their lynch when it was decided but didn't throw up a vote on either of them.
- The fact that Nuwens last interactions and posts come across as distancing with him.
- The fact that his attempt to decredit us by feigning ignorance of the Kayne-scum flip makes no sense from a town perspective.
- The fact that throughout this game he really hasn't done any real scumhunting at all.
- The fact that in the conversation between him/zoraster he said he had notes, then when asked to out them said he didn't have notes but rather mental thoughts about who does and doesn't work as partners but didn't want to reveal any of them.

I can elaborate more but it'll have to be when I wake up. Either way his first post here needs to be a claim.

[Justin Timberlake]

why did you target fate

after he like pushed the drey wagon super hard

sounds like a scum follower to me

[Justin Timberlake]

EMPKING

followed night 2.

killed night 3

what era specific ability did you catch him using? lol

[Justin Timberlake]

I really doubt that Ozzy/Flea/Slash are scum,

if included.

[Justin Timberlake]

oh. you're the last blue scum. you couldn't action + kill on night 6. it makes sense.

[Justin Timberlake]

'i stopped caring' is bullshit. die. i can understand low morale without scum flips but we'd had lots by then. you had no reason to stop caring. you seem like demoralised scum. i read your post.

[Justin Timberlake]

because. it's possible you'd claim a result on red scum and fuck yourself over. they'd then know you were scum and gg shadow.

[Justin Timberlake]

i.e. feysal went knowhere

feysal knows he JUST KILLED A MAN and bam. game over blue scum. that mason gambit probably demoralised you. that was p trash alright.

[Justin Timberlake]

my b. purple scum. i wonder if kanye is mad. he looked pretty town too.

[Justin Timberlake]

I'm going to laugh a lot at you when I flip.

@CodeX and Shadow

No, I haven't written off JT as town. If there's a snake in the grass, JT has a big sign saying "I'M A SNAKE IN THE GRASS"

I've seriously been saying this all game and it's the only thing that makes sense. Maybe my flip will be the final nail in that coffin and you guys can be productive tomorrow.

so we're scum but you're gonna laugh at us?

[Justin Timberlake]

plus if you're town who missed a night action when there's ONE SCUM MEMBER ON ONE TEAM LEFT

then fuck you quite frankly. you're terrible. you had like 6000 hours or some shit.

but you're scum so go die.

[Justin Timberlake]

way to be ~calm~ after that perspective slip

[Justin Timberlake]

(it's not a slip i'm just trolling you cos you're scum)

[Justin Timberlake]

also the "follower" role is very unlike kdub

meta him see how many times he's used unique roles in his large themes and the frequency of it

nah he used it in video games upick iirc

idk one of the ones I reviewed. it was scum actually I think.

[Justin Timberlake]

I have no modifiers to my cop ability that I am aware of

weird.

so you're just called a cop?

[Justin Timberlake]

well era specific cop w/e

[Justin Timberlake]

since when in anyone's role PM has kdub listed a flavor connection to an actual role?

yeah, double checked. nothing in mine. scum overcompensating for their fake claim and felt they needed flavour


edit: lol your ability name is called 'turn into a bat'?

[Justin Timberlake]

I think Pidgey might be scum tbqh

eh, attempt to roleblock nuwen seems a genuine thing. + I don't see 2 roleblockers on opposing scum teams

[Justin Timberlake]

So yeah Alchemist (Eternal) is a neighbourizer and here is Eternal hell of a lot confused. He wouldn't attempt to neighbourize the person he was killing (Meaning he's confirmed not Shade-scum) and he wouldn't state that he believed he had some part in his partners death as scum (Meaning he's not Pod-scum) so he's town.

I believe I had a part to play in Vi's death.

I am a special. A non-killing special, now. And I used my ability on the dead guy, the mod recognized the command, and he turns up dead.

I am a villager, good guy, etc. with special pow3rz. I used said non-killing special pow3r on the guy who died and he ends up dead. Hence, I believe the dead guy is dead due to me using my ability. Could've coincided with a vigilante hit for all I know, but I find that unlikely.

As for my claim: My ability is very, very much so not a kill. I targeted Vi because I thought Vi was good - and my ability is best used on town. Vi turns up dead. Vi was probably not nailed by a vigilante - everyone thought Vi was good. Vi was also not killed by villains, unless there's two villain teams, as Vi was a villain him/herself. I'm lead to the assumption that my ability could've killed Vi. Now, in the description, there's no mention of being able to kill, but there is a possibility that Vi had a provision in his role that said, "if targeted by x - dies." Especially considering Vi's role name and my own role name - I drew a hint from that. I could certainly be grasping at straws, but that's what it is.

I'd rather not claim name or exactly the ability until I'm in danger of being lynched. It's best used if nobody else knows what it does/is.

[Justin Timberlake]

Oversoul, go check your role pm and come back with the exact name of your role please.

[Justin Timberlake]

i basically dont understand why people are still calling alchemist so town. Eternal's posts could also be scum scared of a tracker.

No? We confirm his ability of being a neighbourizer; he's neighbourized us. And neighbourizing someone doesn't 'visit' them from memory(?) meaning the 'tracker' point is irrelevant plus the sheer genuineness and confusion of Eternals posts there make the slot blindingly obvious town.

Anyway curious to see why Oversoul hasn't mentioned that if he's town the scum essentially have to be 1 of Shadow/Feysal + Pidgey + Code.

[Justin Timberlake]

neighbouriser does vit, yeah? why wouldn't it. silly regfan.

[Justin Timberlake]

In the same boat.

[Justin Timberlake]

is feysal the only 'true' vanilla we know of?

[Justin Timberlake]

(hint: he's scum)

w/e.

someone hammer.

[Justin Timberlake]

Also shmugen's play this day phase has seemed really oily to me. I still think his early play looked town but idk. I was mostly clearing him for ~role~ reasons but I now suspect it was randomised since he said no reason was given for it.

[Justin Timberlake]

i've no clue of your general competency, so it seems town in a vacuum.

I think it's shadow + feysal/??? with you or oversoul being the question marks.

someone hammer this game is in SLOW MODE

[Justin Timberlake]

Eh. Feysal is scum but Shadow is more likely other scum?

Do we lose a lynch if we hit the wrong scumteam? let me run numbers.

[Justin Timberlake]

11
lynch scum
8
7 -> lynch scum
6 w/ one mislynch

11
lynch blue
9
7
so an extra ml?

It's worth trying to hit purple/blue.

[Justin Timberlake]

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[Justin Timberlake]

him being the doctor is irrelevant. the draw the nk point is fair tho'

[Justin Timberlake]

the manner of reck's claim + the fact he replaced out here compared to scummies team mafia game when he could have easily coasted for ages as scum in this game. this makes code_x very likely to be town.

pidgey reads super town? how is that not obvious. i mean his last super town post was the one where he didn't fully claim and talked about roleblocking nuwen which is obv true and obv not something red scum would want

[Justin Timberlake]

hey speaking of potential mislynches feysal

yoy aint got that many.

[Justin Timberlake]

I DON'T BREADCRUMB AS SCUM U GAIZ

[Justin Timberlake]

holy shit why would you kill primate instead of I don't know someone like timeater or us instead of wololo primate?

wait zoraster lied now? or something is wrong

[Justin Timberlake]

Well presumably there's not more than 1 red scum left unless there's some sort of troll mod going on here? I mean 5/5 is ridiculous. 4(1)versus blue with 5 is silly?

3(1) versus 5 blue is silly.

this just feels too easy.

[Justin Timberlake]

oversoul did you literally shoot your innocent over a confirmed mason.

holy fuck.

come in here and talk to me bro.

[Justin Timberlake]

it's possible the traitor didn't count or kanye was immune (if he was on the wagon)

not voting as i want the game winning hammer trololol

[Justin Timberlake]

you might as well tell us now while we wait for enough people to vote oversoul?

[Justin Timberlake]

oversoul isn't purple scum? that'd mean 5 purple scum?

[Justin Timberlake]

that's exactly what I'm suggesting. lol. it's...really dumb and bad and shooting his innocent is bad but it's the only way the set-up makes sense?

if he's purple there's 2 red left. and we're fucked so yeah don't see that as likely

i mean this way does mean feysal is town granted...but i guess that's just an abnormality.

[Justin Timberlake]

3 red scum + 1 traitor versus 4 purple scum makes sense.
3 red scum + 1 traitor versus 5 purple scum doesn't.

seraph knight and roleblocker/rolestopper are pretty powerful. not as powerful as evolving whateverthefuck and idk what alsark does but the traitor follower is strictly weaker than a goon if he's unrecruitable.


also the shadow flip shocked the fuck out of us, o_0

[Justin Timberlake]

YOU THREW A TELL IN THE WELL
DONT ASK ME ILL NEVER TELL
I LOOKED AT YOU AS IT FELL
AND NOW YOURE SCUM IN MAH THREAD

ILL TRADE MY SOUL FOR A FLIP
PENNIES AND DIMES FOR A JIG
I WASNT LOOKIN FOR THIS PURPLE TEAM

BUT NOW YOURE IN MY WAY

YOUR CLAIM WAS HOLDIN
SCUMMY ASS WAS SHOWIN
HOT AIR WAS BLOWIN
WHERE YOU THINK YOU GOIN SCUMMIE?

HEY I JUST CAUGHT YOU

AND THIS IS CRAAAAAAAAAZY

BUT HERES YOUR SCUMFLIP

SO TROLL ME MAYBE


ITS HARD TO LOOK AT YOU AS TOWNIEEE

HEY I JUST CAUGHT YOU

AND THIS IS CRAAAAAAAAAZY

BUT HERES YOUR SCUMFLIP

SO TROLL ME MAYBE


AND ALL THE OTHER SCUMZ
TRY TO KIIIIIIIIIIIL MEEEEE

BUT HERES YOUR SCUMFLIP
SO TROLL ME MAYBE

YOU TOOK YOUR TIME WITH THE CALL
I TOOK NO TIME WITH THE FALL
YOU GAVE ME NO CONTENT AT ALL

BUT STILL YOURE SCUMALIVE

I BEG AND BORROW AND STEAL
HAVE FORESIGHT AND ITS REAL
i didnt know i would feel
BUT STILL YOURE IN MY WAY


HEY I JUST CAUGHT YOU

AND THIS IS CRAAAAAAAAAZY

BUT HERES YOUR SCUMFLIP

SO TROLL ME MAYBE


BEFORE YOU CAME INTO THIS THREAD
I CAUGHT YOU SO BAD
I CAUGHT YOU SO SO BAD

BEFORE YOU CAME INTO THIS THREAD
I CAUGHT YOU SO BAD
I CAUGHT YOU SO SO BAD
AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT
I CAUGHT YOU SO SO BAD



HEY I JUST CAUGHT YOU

AND THIS IS CRAAAAAAAAAZY

BUT HERES YOUR SCUMFLIP

SO TROLL ME MAYBE



HEY I JUST CAUGHT YOU

AND THIS IS CRAAAAAAAAAZY

BUT HERES YOUR SCUMFLIP

SO TROLL ME MAYBE

just re-quoting this as it's the best post in the thread.

Vote Oversoul

bored.

[Justin Timberlake]

vote oversoul? <_<

[Justin Timberlake]

Oh. There is a crimson shade in the game. Eh maybe it's possible there's 1 more purple? weird.

in that case feysal as red makes sense if there's one left. + it makes oversoul less...silly?

[Justin Timberlake]

vote oversoul?

I mean
we're clear (and were clear anyway)
snifit is clear
code x is clear
timeater = obvtown for eternal alone
you're clear since code x can confirm who you targeted
feysal
oversoul
idk who else. doubt they count since oversoul claimed an INNOCENT ON SCUM

[Justin Timberlake]

though i'm offended we were jailed over WOLOLO FEYSAL

meep meep

[Justin Timberlake]

wat. you still think oversoul is town?

[Justin Timberlake]

Unvote

Might as well see if Oversoul has anything to say, actually.

[Justin Timberlake]

(okay I'm just prologing his agony)

[Justin Timberlake]

Ah, well Shadow is dead scum...so yes it is definitely more convenient?

[Justin Timberlake]

a naive era specific cop seems a stretch

and uh, who'd lawyer primate? who's going to lawyer him? the lavos team could have framed him maybe? or tried to lawyered him and resulted in framing him. which'd mean they'd know he was scum. but they'd also know they need him alive for kills in that case.

occams razor is just oversoul being bad

[Justin Timberlake]

if you're town oversoul, then fuck you. this fake claiming and gambiting shit is fucking old and pathetic.

sensor result implicates one of pidgey/code though. want full proper claims from them with no information hidden back or faked.

[Justin Timberlake]

I have something to say but I am busy right now

I am not a naive cop
Or a cop

But I am Tata

My real role is retarded and I didn't think there were any actual protection roles left so I decided to claim to draw away a nightkill from a mason or Alchemist or JT

I am Tata Macho Townie

You heard me right Macho
Fucking
Townie

I cannot receive protections and if I do fail

I'm not even mad that Red scum saved our asses because looking back at that now, the gambit was stupid and reckless

I know you all are still going to lynch me but at least trust my townreads and go after one of the none confirmed

I have no era specific ability and my "power" comes from the Hero's Badge

I cannot be protected over any era

god you're a fucking twat

[Justin Timberlake]

we have 3 lynches

oversoul/codex/feysal/pidgey ehhhh

[Justin Timberlake]

feysal/oversoul can only really be scum if zoraster lied. i lean against him lying because i don't think he'd be that dumb but unfortunatly it means both feysal/oversoul are town which is disgusting to think about given their play this game.

[Justin Timberlake]

this game can't be more than 4 v 4. wouldn't be fair if it was. 1 scum left. question is; did zoraster fake claim or not.

if he didn't then it's one of pidgey/codex and if he did then my moneys on feysal.

[Justin Timberlake]

no code? it's only 2 if oversouls town and feysals scum. it can just be oversoul lying if pidgey is scum.

[Justin Timberlake]

can you full claim all night actions + nights you did them

thanks

[Justin Timberlake]

claim alllllllll abilities and flavour/abilities flavour names.

also 1 scum on wagon isn't possible due to zorasters sensor result so either your argument has to be A) code is scum (not what you're aruging) B) that there's more than 1 scum left, if so explain the reasoning behind a 5 v 4 scum-teams or C) that zoraster lied.

[Justin Timberlake]

shadow was onwagon. that's 1 already. 1 + 1 =

fuck maths

2. even number.

[Justin Timberlake]

he's confscum. he claims his role name is 'bodyguard' but era specific things aren't role names.

blah someone else can explain it better.

[Justin Timberlake]

vote; pidgeyman

it's in the fucking rules/op.

[Justin Timberlake]

he's confscum. he claims his role name is 'bodyguard' but era specific things aren't role names.

blah someone else can explain it better.

^^^ his role name should be 1-shot roleblocker

gg lavos

[Justin Timberlake]

RULES

Special Notes for This Setup

E4)

Role names refer only to standard abilities and do not reflect any era-specific abilities a player may have.

For example, a "Vanilla Townie" has no standard abilities, but may or may not have era-specific abilities.

[Justin Timberlake]

THERE ARE NO MEN LIKE ME

ONLY ME

eh. not gonna taunt too much. pidgey had an uphill battle. did well on his own for a lot of the game (since shadow was a traitor)

purple team is a lot more funny

[Justin Timberlake]

xd masons
xd fake innocent gets us killed

[Justin Timberlake]

feysal for mvp.

[Justin Timberlake]

which era can you use your roleblock in? or any?

[Justin Timberlake]

if you can use it any time then it's your role name since it's not era related. sorry :/

[Justin Timberlake]

dude

if you can use frog splash at any time you're not a vt

[Justin Timberlake]

for instance our thing is 1-shot as well and our role name is gaspar (1-shot revivor). not vt.

[Justin Timberlake]

should still be called 1-shot roleblocker. pidgey, games over please don't prolong it. hammer it now and end the game.

[Justin Timberlake]

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[Justin Timberlake]

Frog (カエル Kaeru?, "Kaeru" in the Japanese version) is a knight from the Middle Ages in Chrono Trigger.

So you can't use your ability in the age you're from? wtf

[Justin Timberlake]

that's why it needs to be quick.

he's changed his roleblocker ability + claim around 18 times.

[Justin Timberlake]

we got a feather

[Justin Timberlake]

I'd kill JT over Code_X right now, except I don't think any scumteam has more than 1 team member left and I jailed JT last night.

well fucking obviously? so then don't say stuff like 'i'd kill confirmed town over non confirmed town'

[Justin Timberlake]

Sigh. Looking again at the flips, I begin to suspect each team does still have 1 member. Blue doesn't have nearly the role power that Red does, or if they do it's era dependent and not shown. They probably have the advantage of numbers. I mean, goon, goon, investigation-immune seraph knight, odd night roleblocker vs one with Action Immunity, Role Absorber, Follower.

action immunity probs doesn't include kills so isn't strong. seraph knight makes someone night immune so is strong and it's not odd night, it's non conseq i.e. not the same person 2 nights running. that's also super strong. a traitor follower isn't actually very strong at all, so yeah.

[Justin Timberlake]

Guys. you realise town can lose with no mislynches in 5/5

so yeah

[Justin Timberlake]

Vote Oversoul

zzzz

[Justin Timberlake]

4/5 = 9 scum so.

lynch purple, 2 kills - 25 p
lynch red, 2 kills - 22p
lynch purple, 2 kills, 19p
lynch red, 2 kills 16p
lynch purple, 2 kills 13p
lynch red, 2 kills 10p
lynch purple, 2 kills, 7p
so it's possible to be 7p with 1 of each scum alive in 1/1 scum. eh. would be super swingy.

[Justin Timberlake]

fucking seriously?

6 red scum to get rid of now vi's revived.

[Justin Timberlake]

ew. no safety net in case shmugen's scum.

and the fact he called the reviver is kind of fucking odd.

[Justin Timberlake]

i mean feysal's obvscum

but let's look at all the angles.

[Justin Timberlake]

why don't we lynch feysal today?

vi doesn't have a vote?

[Justin Timberlake]

so

lynch feysal (let's pretend he's not scum)
oh no. someone dead.
4 alive. 3 to lynch w/ 4 votes in play and they lynch shmugen.
then the next day there's 2 alive with...2 to lynch and town can lynch Vi?

[Justin Timberlake]

I think that works, fyi.

Plus I like the idea of lynching obvscum feysal before confirmed scum Vi

[Justin Timberlake]

if it's shmugen he's a cheeky scumfuck for the LOL LYNCH Vi AND FEYSAL and should be ashamed. but it's not but still

[Justin Timberlake]

DRey (12) - Fate, Staeg, Feysal, SpyreX, zoraster, Alchemist, Oversoul, Cogito Ergo Sum, Shadow1psc, Elmo TeH AzN, Lady Lambdadelta, Shmugen


SENSOR

SENSOR

SHMUGEN

ODD NUMBAH

it technically could be alchemist but it's not.

[Justin Timberlake]

feysal is just so fucking naturally scummy you have no idea

eh. i've read him as town correctly before? fairly sure regfan has too?

[Justin Timberlake]

JT, you like the idea of lynching probscum over confscum?

yes

did you not read why

lynching vi's a waste. vi's got no vote.

[Justin Timberlake]

lynching vi gives the mafia a free nightkill

[Justin Timberlake]

what did shadow/oversoul think of feysal

did either ever post a negative opinion about him?

[Justin Timberlake]

what damage could vi do during the night with his(her? sorry i dont know how you want to be addressed) "evolving role absorber" shenanigans

idk. there are no vigs left so who cares

[Justin Timberlake]

Tell you the truth, I'm not even mad. Either this setup is batshit insane and town never had a fair crack, or we're over-thinking it and we have to have faith in Zor. There's 1 scum among Alchemist/Feysal and there's Vi. If there's a blueteam member, they no-killed or something to crank up the wifom.

P. Edit - Vi has no vote. Vi should have a kill. I suppose it doesn't matter as I'm pretty sure a red team member revived Vi rather than some passive effect, but much like Oversoul was the smart play yesterday, Vi is the smart play today. Am I imagining things, or are you two making a plan wherein WE KNOW WHO SCUM IS BUT DO NOT LYNCH THEM?

Eh. I thought it gaves us an extra lynch.

But wait, it doesn't I just miscalculated I think.

[Justin Timberlake]

for some reason i derped and thought 2v1 was a mafia win which is dumb.

[Justin Timberlake]

oh yeah

watch result makes shmugen town

never mind it's feysal.

[Justin Timberlake]

this game might actually fucking be 5v5

are you kidding me

lavos core. its the only explanation

no 5vs 5 is SUPER DUMB and kdub isn't SUPER DUMB

[Justin Timberlake]

there's no one else from red left bro

2 traitors
2 dead group members

i guess he could action + kill but eh.

[Justin Timberlake]

eh. the core + vi are what's left?

[Justin Timberlake]

if there's a blue left fuck this set-up it's literally unwinnable

so let's just assume there's not

[Justin Timberlake]

Vi you can do better than this

[Justin Timberlake]

Vote Vi

w/e let's do this I guess.
and then lynch feysal tomorrow
and if not over lynch shmugen

KAY?
kay.

[Justin Timberlake]

sorry i can't read that easily.

REQUESTING THAT ALL PLAYERS SPEAK IN AMERICAN

[Justin Timberlake]

well fucking duh? but we need to lynch that slot so w/e? let's oblige. eh actually. no vote it might be a treestump?

do we want to speedlynch feysal to see what happens?

[Justin Timberlake]

HEY

FEYSAL

I SEE YOU

come fucking post your thoughts

[Justin Timberlake]

lol and he's gone

[Justin Timberlake]

eh trying to lynch vi doesn't even cost town a mislynch? lol? idk

this is a troll game

[Justin Timberlake]

Mod: requesting all of Vi's posts be translated on the grounds they're unamerican

[Justin Timberlake]

Mod: and I'm afraid there could be a hidden code in them that says Kill Justin Timberlake

[Justin Timberlake]

Lorem Ipsum generators, JT, are literally websites where you push a button and it generates a paragraph of Latin that means nothing. There is nothing to translate.

this isn't the vatican we don't deal in latin here

[Justin Timberlake]

Mod: requesting all of Vi's posts be translated on the grounds they're unamerican

I'll rearrange some letters so they'll become more like durnkpsoting. Would that be American enough?

if you were truly dedicated to trolling you'd actually drunkpost?

for science

[Justin Timberlake]

Whats the possibility that:
A) feysal is last red scum and if theres a last blue scum is JT/codex/me
B) theres actually no blue scum and only core is left and its on the drey wagon (only one kill)
C) Both scums are killed snifit (not very likely imo)

I think B is actually pretty possible

THERE'S NOT 16 million scum.

it's obviously fucking b

[Justin Timberlake]

can't wait for the next chapter

[Justin Timberlake]

I am well aware, Faraday. Like all mafia posts, the point is to look at the motivation behind them. WHY is Vi spamming the thread with nonsense?
1. Be annoying and try to get speedlynched. Somehow good for red team? Vi insta-revives again? Doubtful
2. Be annoying and try to get speedlynched. Vi thinks being revived is bullshit and is trying to lose. Possible
3. Be annoying, somehow have a modified win condition based on page number. Near impossible.

Feel free to add to the list.

1 doesn't matter as we're at evens so it's a free lynch
owned

2 is maybe true but not the reason

3 is not the reason

4 is the reason

just to be annoying for the sake of it!

[Justin Timberlake]

Vote Feysal

there is no world he's not scum

no world

[Justin Timberlake]

vi regfan asked you to stop trolling

(don't)

[Justin Timberlake]

i don't think count chocula is sold over here? story isn't realistic

[Justin Timberlake]

eh they are wizards tho so

[Justin Timberlake]

vi regfan asked you to stop trolling

(don't)

At least with me you're guaranteed moderately classy trolling.

[Justin Timberlake]

I think I'm just going to let Faraday take over this game from hereon out, reviving scum is stupid. For what it's worth I think Feysals another red traitor who has a 1 shot reviving style power and used it on Vi; Oversouls defense of him fit as partners as does Feysals lack of willingness to accept Oversoul as scummy earlier.

[Justin Timberlake]

lol I don't think regfan's gonna post anymore.

We're lynching Feysal today.

his reaction to two votes on him when we've confirmed scum? absolutely zero. i mean if you're town in that situation you're going to be pissed off a little or incredulous...or something? overplaying the whole cool dude thing

[Justin Timberlake]

you should read what you wrote

and then go to the OP and count the number of purple scum. i am pretty sure 4+2 = 6.

[Justin Timberlake]

and we've the gate key.

[Justin Timberlake]

Look at dat feysal fearmongering. There's no purple scum left. He just needs dem mislynches. p.s. you're not a traitor you're the 3rd member of the redscum group. 5 scum versus 3+2 traitors isn't balanced so there's no purple left.

I'm assuming the revive was an automatic thing? If scum can double action then revive + kill is fine.

And nicely enough everyone has shown some sort of ability apart from feysal + ourselves. Alchemist has the neighbouriser, shmugen the jail, code x the watch + feather target.

[Justin Timberlake]

it's fine anyway* instead of is fine

[Justin Timberlake]

the revive is borderline useless, it wastes a day. it doesn't really disadvantage the other scum team as most days vi would be automatically lynched. it's kind of an annoying ability in multi scum when we've so few lynches available but vi's voteless so not a threat.

[Justin Timberlake]

well not 'borderline useless' but it's not negative utility for a hypo purple team. + i assume the traitors aren't recruitable so yeah.

[Justin Timberlake]

@JT:

1. You're town and all, and I agree with most of the players you marked as green being town, though I have some doubts about zoraster, and after reading CES in isolation, I don't see where your town read on him comes from. Could you explain?
2. In your analysis you are clearly assuming eight scum total. Now that we know about the shades and I did some reading on the flavor, it would make sense that there were four of them, since there are a total of three shades plus the Dream Devourer in the DS version of the game. The Lavos team could have any number of members depending on if and how many Lavos Spawns they have. Are you simply assuming equal teams, or do you have another reason for assuming there are five scum left?

Curiously, I see JT doing just that with his sudden attack on Shmugen. How odd, here I was just thinking about scum trying to deflect attention to potential mislynches, and here we have JT scraping the bottom of the barrel to have an excuse to push for my lynch tomorrow. How odd indeed, when he should be at least considering there never was more than one scum on the wagon. What exactly makes him so sure of pidgey and Code_X being town?

P.s. notice feysal understands our colouring of them earlier - he takes issue with CES most of all but when his mislynches become less viable he begins to think we're scum and wonders why we're sure of code_x and pidgey. More than that, his suspicion of us is based on what...not keeping our options open - it doesn't read as a natural progression. Admittedly his ISO is super sparse so it's hard to tell.

Also 2) he obv knew it wasn't 4/4 scum teams from 2, above.

Can we lynch him now?

[Justin Timberlake]

i'm fairly sure i would be beyond berserk if there's anything else other than revived scum to it.

[Justin Timberlake]

Present/Middle Ages.

[Justin Timberlake]

Shmugen has the gate key, yes?

So which of code_x and pidgey are TEH SCUM. I think we lynch Vi today.

Being confirmed town is fairly awesome, too.

[Justin Timberlake]

ALSO

LOL 10 scum.

my face

[Justin Timberlake]

Shmugen you should get in here and discuss things with me and regfan. You are confirmed town too. Congratulations.

[Justin Timberlake]

P.s. who did you send your item to last night?

[Justin Timberlake]

@ code x

[Justin Timberlake]

oh my god. we could have lynched a scum each day and still been in this position <_< wat. so wat well actually mislynched once in 9 times. so cruel.

[Justin Timberlake]

and yesterday?

[Justin Timberlake]

(game day)

[Justin Timberlake]

i'll ignore the fact you gave Vi aka the confirmed scum something i guess. wat @ that

[Justin Timberlake]

hey shmugen you should probably go back and read how oversoul and shadow were salivating over our slots lynch day 1. traitor bussing the fucking reviver lavos whatever the fuck?

yeah, that seems legit.

Anyway, we're fairly obviously town + would have killed you over alchemist since he trusted us so etc.

I guess we need to lynch the lavos thingy today then. codex or pidgey. ugh. who are you leaning towards?

[Justin Timberlake]

I'm an amusing character, people don't kill me.

[Justin Timberlake]

+ regfan is bad at mafia.

+ lack of general scum competency? I mean we've lynched like fucking 7 of them in a row or some shit? they're not very good.

[Justin Timberlake]

Anyway, trying to read through oversoul + shadow. they have fuck all interactions with either pidgey OR code x.

the lack of hammer is eh. idk. i'd have hammered pidgey as a traitor in that situation but bluh. oversoul's meltodwn needs to be re-examined. could have been done to save a buddy or he could be just legitimately dumb (leaning towards that since he did literally claim scum)

[Justin Timberlake]

Or probably if you are really town they just think you dont have a power role worth killing i dunno.

Remember FRUIT BASKET? You were in that hydra werent you

Im having the same problem here with you.

Have you read over the dead red traitors at all? That should put your mind at rest.

[Justin Timberlake]

(and yes, I was in fruit basket. it was exclusively me)

I'd done loads that game and played it fairly well without being obvtown I thought.

[Justin Timberlake]

I'll save getting to this game until the weekend but was kind of expecting one of Shmugen/Us to die rather than Alchemist.

In two minds about Code/Pidgey. Pidgeys claim still seems somewhat broken; his role name should be 1-shot roleblocker and not VT but at the same time Code_X's vendor roles main usage is to be able to prove that it didn't do anything else that night and giving items to Feysal/Vi defeats that purpose. I did just think of something though; that being that from say D3? until D9 there was only 1 killing redscum alive (?) and he was still sending out gifts during that time meaning for him to be scum he'd have to be able to gift+shoot, Kdubs wiki is ambiguous over whether that's allowed but might be something for Faratroll to work with.

Blah. Will focus more in the next two days, if I had to vote right now though it'd probably be Pidgey despite some of his posts coming across as genuineish.

[Justin Timberlake]

Is scum doing 2 actions (Scum ability + kill) in a night strange or something? I thought it was normal in any mafia game.

In most games scum cannot do both. Kdubs wiki is ambiguous though. It does hint heavily towards scum not being able to use 2 abilities in one night though which is why we're trying to focus on the Code action N9. If we had verification of his action (Vendoring) then the reviving wouldn't be possible by him but the fact that he gave it to Feysal/admits to as much after Feysals dead and had the awkward "anyone get an item" post means that I really aren't sure on him.

JT is probably town, but I need to do some reading. I hate the claim and the bungled use of it, especially by a town player I respect like Regfan, and his point about scum traitors going after him doesn't make sense. Of course scum traitors would go for you, dude, you could bring back Vi which they did NOT want to happen. Then again, we have evidence of a revived scum, a revived town would go a hell of a long way towards rebalancing that.

Will ponder on your point about CodeX's watcher usage because I can see it holding some weight, my main issue with it is that a 1-shot watcher + vendor are a weird matching role but vendor as a scum-role is just as weird. Really need to devote time to it later tomorrow. The above quote though makes very little sense, I agree that we're not 'conftown' at all in fact my response to Faraday on AIM after he posted that was essentially 'wtf, we weren't on wagon dude' but he has a point that the tratiors non-stop gunning for us should essentially make us obv enough town. Why would tratiors not want a member of their faction revived?

[Justin Timberlake]

Pidgey, you play off-site as well, right? If so mind linking me to 2-3 scum-games of yours from there?