Chrono Trigger Mafia Resurrection (Game Over)

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It was likely randomized, JT, yes, but what did I DO with it.

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What I did with it, JT, is hand it off to who ended up being the doctor, and then tried to draw the NK.

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It was also a bit of a test to see who knew what about the Gate Key. I knew that if I was daykilled, the daykiller would get it, and if I was lynched the hammerer would get it. No one really went for me though, so I reckon the scum didn't know much about it.

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You have to give a list of 5 people, though that may have changed, I haven't had it since D3. If your top giftee dies, it goes to the next, and so on.

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Oversoul sure looks like scum from here, which would leave Feysal as the only one left. Zoraster sure did a fine fucking job with that sensor.

I visited JT last night, I was a prehistory jailer. It was mainly offensive, though, I figured that Oversoul was telling the truth and therefore scum had to be off the wagon, of which JT was the most likely.

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It wasn't personal or anything. We hadn't had any cop claims and I really enjoyed the flavor idea behind Tata, leading me to believe we had purged all the scum off of the sensor result.

My gut is a hard thing to read. My gut reads are usually wrong, so when my gut gives me this slightly nagging feeling that Oversoul's claim sounds town, I can ignore it and vote him.

Vote: Oversoul

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If I thought Oversoul was town, I wouldn't be voting for him. I think Oversoul's claim of Tata as a Middle Ages Cop sounds infinitely more convincing than Shadow's claim of Flea the all-ages Follower.

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Alchemist, did you at least give a list of who to give the gate to?

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Unvote

If I thought there were two scum left on a team, Alchemist, I'd be angry, but it shouldn't matter at this point. They have no scumpartner to give it to, it will end up back in town hands soon enough.

Now THAT claim I believe wholeheartedly. Which means our last red scum assuming blue is gone is off the sensor results. Alternatively, Alchemist is a scum neighborizer, or whatever that role is called, and Feysal currently has the gate key.

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Hey kids! Time for everyone's favorite game,

WHAT DO WE KNOW?

Shmugen - Prehistory Jailer. On the Zoraster Sensor wagon, which has either 0 or 2 scum on it.
pidgey - Frog, ???/1-shot Roleblock.
Alchemist - All eras Neighborizer variant. On the Zoraster Sensor wagon, which has either 0 or 2 scum on it.
snifit - Mune, Mason.
Justin Timberlake - Gaspar, 1-shot Reviver. Jailkept last night, 2 kills still happened.
Feysal - Ozzy, Pure Vanilla. On the Zoraster Sensor wagon, which has either 0 or 2 scum on it.
Code_X - Kino, Vendor. Items are useless.
Oversoul - Tata, Macho Townie. On the Zoraster Sensor wagon, which has either 0 or 2 scum on it.

I think I'm with Alchemist that purple team is gone. I'm thinking there's zero left on the wagon, which drops Feysal/Oversoul from today's lynch list. I'd lynch Pidgey over Code_X. In order for Code_X to be on the Lavos team, he'd need to have a fakeclaim with a confirmable ability packaged in.

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Vote: Pidgey

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Zoraster has no motivation to lie. Robo as a sensor makes thematic sense AND the full Kino claim is similar in model to Zoraster's implied ability. Kino was always a vendor and a watcher in prehistory. Zoraster flipped doctor always and claimed to be a sensor in prehistory. I would have to go back and check, but Zoraster didn't seem to be pushing any agendas super hard to the point where he would make up sensor results, especially as early in the game as that was.

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The difference between my lie and Oversoul's is that mine was confirmable. Oversoul claims cop, no one knows what he's doing or why.

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Fullclaim. Right now.

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Would if I could, buddy.

On the stupid offchance Pidgey isn't scum, wifom to your hearts delight based on how many kills there were.

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Don't you fucking do it, Alchemist. You already herped up and owe me one for the gate key.

Speaking of, WHO HAS IT.

Why, all of a sudden, can you not use Frog Splash in the middle ages?

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Listen, buddy. Take a second, go over my post where I talk about what we know, and explain to me logically who you think is scum and why. No one is online to hammer you right now, apparently, if you're even at L-1.

QUESTION

Who is still alive who has gotten a thing from Code_X?

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While those answers trickle in, Alchemist, which seems more likely to you, that Code_X is a lavos part with the ability to give out prehistoric items and watch me visit JT last night? Or that Pidgey is attempting to use sand attack?

Again, Code_X would have to be the most complicated fakeclaim I've ever seen. I'd kill JT over Code_X right now, except I don't think any scumteam has more than 1 team member left and I jailed JT last night.

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It's either Pidgey and gg or it's Oversoul/Feysal, and that would be a ton of scum. Oversoul would have to be blue scum in this case.

JT, I'm merely remarking as to how strongly I feel that Code_X is town.

Alchemist. Please don't make people repeat themselves.

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Define 'him'. JT?

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CodeX is town because of his role. People have been getting his useless items all game long, and he confirmed my visit to JT last night.

Again, UNLESS THE LAVOS CORE CAN GIVE OUT FEATHERS WITH A FAKECLAIM

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WATCH PEOPLE, he's town.

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I'm pretty sure people have gotten at least one other of the 4 things, Petal Horn Fang Feather.

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Maybe he didnt and there are still 2 inside The Wagon.

Which brings us back to the balance issue. What team are the last 2 on, Pidgey? Flipped scum are currently at 3 red/4 blue. Is it 4/5 or 5/4? Sure, town has been stacked with power, but scum haven't been too bad off either.

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So you think this game is 4/5/19? Tell me who scum is and what team.

Code, if Feysal is scum, someone else on the wagon has to be scum. Is it Oversoul the fake cop who faked an innocent on dead blue scum, Shmugen who jailkept JT last night and attempted to draw a night kill N2 by pretending to still have the gate key, or Alchemist whose neighbor attempt on red scum night one failed due to red scum dying.

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Pidgey, you're not off the hook before we get a list of everyone you've protected every night.

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Wait. You can only protect in the middle ages? You should have at least 2 results then.

I'm actually turning around to this lynch inside the scan results plan. If Pidgey manages to not flip scum, we've learned nothing. If Oversoul or Feysal flips scum, we kill the other. If one of them doesn't, we can ignore the sensor group for good.

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Because I had been swayed to vote for Oversoul due to the cop claim being too much power in my eyes for the middle ages. I then unvoted while we finished up the massclaim, then Code_X hammered.

I'll see if I have the time tonight to look at some relational stuff, as Oversoul is certainly blue if he's scum, making Feysal certainly red.

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I'm inclined to agree, but that should make looking for the scum on the wagon easier, if there's two of them and they're both red.

You're currently voting Oversoul, meaning you think he's red, meaning you think he picked his fake innocent out of thin air as red scum.

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Oversoul, did you mean 'fakeclaim an innocent' on a buddy?

Zoraster wasn't a gambit, you're not looking closely enough. He said there was an odd number of scum on the wagon, and yesterday we killed Shadow, meaning there is now an even number. We either went from 3 to 2 or from 1 to zero.

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Do better. Explain WHY you don't believe it. Also, yes, Snifit is most certainly town.

The 3 to 2 group is Oversoul/Feysal. Alchemist would have to be blue scum who tried to neighborize red scum night one and then have no idea what he was talking about D2. He's the least scummy of the group of 3, and I'm partially going off of JT's read on him.

The 1 to 0 group isn't JT or CodeX. JT would mean there are/were at least 2 left of whatever color JT was and JT didn't make the kill, and I've been over CodeX a million times.

Snifit, thank you sir for getting the gate key. I have no preference for era.

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Unvote

. Gotta bleed Oversoul a little.

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Sigh. Looking again at the flips, I begin to suspect each team does still have 1 member. Blue doesn't have nearly the role power that Red does, or if they do it's era dependent and not shown. They probably have the advantage of numbers. I mean, goon, goon, investigation-immune seraph knight, odd night roleblocker vs one with Action Immunity, Role Absorber, Follower.

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What do we think about shifting this to Feysal? If he's scum he's the last red, and he claims to be PURE VANILLA. The only other person who could have been pure vanilla is RBT. Two vanilla in a game of 28?

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I'd like to know why you're so hellbent against blue team still existing. RBT wasn't given an opportunity to claim, if I remember right.

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When you're right, you're right.

Oversoul, go look at the flip list. LLD the Middle Ages Vig flipped Vanilla. Era-dependent abilities don't show on the flip. Doctor with a sensor, Vendor with a watch, these things make sense in this game. Your idea that town pulls dumb gambits like this is quite a ways off. I hope you're scum just so you have an excuse for your behavior.

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I don't see what's condemning with that VCA. He's on one town wagon and two blue scum wagon. If anything, I'd wager he's blue based on the Primate innocent thing, though if he was bussing, I would think he'd hop on the Nuwen wagon too.

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So, one more time for the theoretical. If there's two scum, we lynch Oversoul today and hit one of them. Last scum is Feysal or Alchemist, most likely Feysal. If he's town, we're most likely looking at one scum and it's Pidgey. If we go for Pidgey today, we're down to 5p after two kills (assuming no crosskills) with 1/1/3 and have to decide who is scum among Feysal/Oversoul/Alchemist. If we go for Oversoul today, we're down to 1/1/3 or 1/5. If it's the 1/1/3 it's guaranteed Feysal/Alchemist and otherwise it's Pidgey. Either way we win pending role shenanigans.

JT, could you chime in a bit with some more QT details?

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Yes, why did you want the Middle Ages, Oversoul?

VOTE: Oversoul

How's that corner taste?

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Nice catch, broham.

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I never get pissed off, I just laugh at impetuous players who get mad themselves while not answering questions. Why did you want the middle ages?

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La di doo, kill it with fire.

As elaborated on, if he's town, get pidgey, the end.

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You were preparing your cop fakeclaim on day 5 because you thought there were no protection roles left. Doctor Robo dies N6.

Eeyup.

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To your slight credit, a doctor had died N3, but did you think in what was quickly shaping up to be role madness-y, there would be a single flavor of protection?

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Indulge me. Go for the quote. Technically we don't have a JK, or a bodyguard, and we don't know what intricacies the flipped doctors had. Here's the thing, Ragetoast. I think you're in trouble here with the fakeclaim gambit you tried to run. I think Pidgey is scum and you have a chance of flipping town. Unless you can convince me it's not the right play, though, it's going to happen. If we lynch Pidgey today and he's town, we're stuck with a 1 in 3 shot of losing. If we lynch you today, we'll know precisely who to lynch tomorrow.

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Why did you pick Primate of all people to fake an innocent on?

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Yes! At this point I'm just amusing myself. And I'm curious.

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Yes, Oversoul, throw that onto the pile of things to explain. Blue scum started with the Gate Key and handed it right off to the town. What a gentlemanly thing to do.

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Alternatively, analyze my actions through the game and come to the conclusion that I'm town. Tell me, Oversoul, what did I do to JT last night?

P. Edit: Magnificent. Oversoul, don't you remember, I tried to help you poor people. I tried to give the key to Vi N1 and failed.

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Hold up. Before we start speculating, consider that Oversoul may be claiming scum so we'll kill him faster. TWO red traitors?

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As you're either giving up as scum or town hoping to die, explain the lavos core for us.

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Were you on a team with Shadow? Also, do you people have a core left?

I ask because now that Oversoul has claimed scum we can let him live. Hitting the last blue would technically be better for us.

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Snifit was voting Pidgey, I believe.

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Au contraire, mon capitan. It means that Zoraster was telling the truth and we have another scum on the DRey wagon.

P.Edit: Sorry, Oversoul, but of course I couldn't let you lynch Pidgey. I was frankly shocked that A. Snifit put him to L-1. B. You declared intent to hammer without actually doing it.

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DOUBLE BONUS POINTS?

Oversoul, I understand you're mad at me, I did egg you on a bit there, but we'll shake and make nice after I flip/endgame town.

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Oversoul, of course there's another scum on the wagon. With you being on the wagon and scum, there's now one more among Me/Alchemist/Feysal. JT isn't scum.

Pidgey - Large theme or mini? I'm going to be moving to minis here pretty soon, large themes take far too long to get to a level where I can be smart, like today.

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Oversoul by a long shot.

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Oversoul is L-1.

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Psh. He's not the only one who's played this before, son.

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I'm a JK because we never went to prehistory until now. I've been exactly what I stated, vanilla.

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No, you aren't. You will be. Leave your vote on yourself.

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All's fair in love and war.

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Right now I am listening to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yjLS-_9 ... re=related

But when Oversoul was raging all I could hear was the first few seconds of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAx63FwV ... ure=relmfu

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This is why I need to play more minis. I'll get to the point where I'm decent sooner.

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Huzzah!

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Two things.

1. Oversoul, how is voting for yourself there playing to your wincon, technically. I fear there could be yet more red scum?
2. Am I missing something with Seraph Knight? It seemed to me to be permadoctor? Is it good because you only have to use it once and the protection can't be tracked further nights?

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Ah, good, you are the last. Bueno.

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I don't see Vi on the list to choose for lynching.

HEY FATE. EAT A DICK, I TOTALLY CALLED IT.

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Well, today will be boring. Lynch Vi today, lynch Feysal tomorrow. Mildly interesting that Vi doesn't get a vote.

VOTE: Vi

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I sure as hell hope this isn't some kind of shenanigan to take a fairly earned town win and extend the game some more.

My money is on Feysal being the bit that revived Vi. Blue team is down, red team remains?

...this implies that whoever revived Vi is able to kill/act, or that it was some sort of passive never meant to see the light of day such as '8 days after you die you come back'.

JT, you like the idea of lynching probscum over confscum? Oh, I'm certainly cheeky, but I'm not scum. We've been over this a few times. I'm trying to think of the bizarre convoluted setup where you're scum, but nothing realistic is cropping up.

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Tell you the truth, I'm not even mad. Either this setup is batshit insane and town never had a fair crack, or we're over-thinking it and we have to have faith in Zor. There's 1 scum among Alchemist/Feysal and there's Vi. If there's a blueteam member, they no-killed or something to crank up the wifom.

P. Edit - Vi has no vote. Vi should have a kill. I suppose it doesn't matter as I'm pretty sure a red team member revived Vi rather than some passive effect, but much like Oversoul was the smart play yesterday, Vi is the smart play today. Am I imagining things, or are you two making a plan wherein WE KNOW WHO SCUM IS BUT DO NOT LYNCH THEM?

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It's still a mafia member, do you believe it doesn't have a kill?

What you are interpreting as scum vibes is me cutting loose. Things are important now, there is increasingly no room for error, and victory is in sight. Now, Alchemist, if you believe that I'm scum, do you also believe Code_X is lying about his watch result, and if so, how many scum do you honestly think are left? That would make 3; Me, Code_X, and Vi. That's 10 scum in a 28 player game.

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Code_X watched me visit JT night 7.

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We don't know how Vi's role absorber thing works. It could, in theory, copy Pidgey's middle age bodyguard ability.

Alch- By that logic, we HAVE to kill Vi before we can lynch the other pod. I thought about this too, thankfully Kdub isn't a complete maniac and Alsark isn't also back. Also, as there was a red team kill that night, what did I do to JT?

@JT - If we're super unlucky, there's a blue left.

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That's my plan. I am hoping beyond hope this isn't 5v5 with the justifaction being 'Well, they should do lots of crosskilling.'

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Put it this way. We've had 5 scum lynches and 3 mislynches. That's pretty damn good.

@Vi - Why you always gotta be making me translate shit. GOOGLE HO!

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Latin. Why must it be Latin.

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I have to go to bed and I have a full day of work tomorrow. Don't pull anything drastic.

@Vi - ...I have no words for you.

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Now you're just being obstinate. I did chuckle at turducken though.

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I don't suppose you could be bothered to provide us with whatever method you're using to generate these latin walls so they can be reverse-engineered? I doubt any of us actually know it.

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Quoth the Mod, Vi: A7) You may not post in invisible text, encrypted text, or

any other form of communication that is intended to not be easily read by all players

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Pony up a way to read what you're saying or I'll begin crying for modkill. A non-day-ending no more reviving modkill.

I'm going to give you some credit and hope that you also think reviving scum is bullshit and you're hoping for a modkill.

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You are keeping me awake and sorely trying my considerable patience. Petulance is not a virtue.

Unvote

while I sleep and decide if Vi wants to die or is pushing us to speedlynch her for her own benefit. I suggest the rest of you do similarly, let Vi play out and talk some things out, even though today may be pretty clear cut.

P.Edit: If this attempt to post this doesn't go through, there will be a reckoning.

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Lorem Ipsum generators, JT, are literally websites where you push a button and it generates a paragraph of Latin that means nothing. There is nothing to translate.

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I am well aware, Faraday. Like all mafia posts, the point is to look at the motivation behind them. WHY is Vi spamming the thread with nonsense?
1. Be annoying and try to get speedlynched. Somehow good for red team? Vi insta-revives again? Doubtful
2. Be annoying and try to get speedlynched. Vi thinks being revived is bullshit and is trying to lose. Possible
3. Be annoying, somehow have a modified win condition based on page number. Near impossible.

Feel free to add to the list.

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No horn here, who has the gate key?

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Out of curiosity, Code_X, do you not target someone with your vendor ability?

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Vi, you're in what's probably a once in a site-career opportunity, revived confirmed scum, and this is the best trolling you can do?

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Correction, what SHOULD be a once in a site-career opportunity.

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I want to know who has the gate key. We've all posted.

I really don't like lynching Feysal today over Vi. Yes, I know, the sensor, but I'd still vote 100% scum over 99% scum.

PARANOIA CORNER - Not Occam's Razor approved.

This is 5v5. Vi is the last red scum, Alchemist is scum with JT on the blue team. They no-killed last night and coached Eternal to look good through his 'Well, I think I killed Vi' stint D2.

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It's just a comment I needed to get off my chest, correct math or no. One of the reasons it doesn't work is that it would require Dalton to be blue scum, which I would expect far less than all 3 lavos parts being in the game.

What are our choices?

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We know two things for absolutely sure. Vi is scum, and there's a scum on the DRey wagon yet.

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Flavor wise, JT, Vi is the right play. Note the mod scene to start D3 after Alsark was killed. 'Lavos Core shuts off defense!'

We didn't get a modscene saying that the defense was back up, but it would make sense considering how flavor driven this game seems.

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Mod: Vi has no vote. Does Vi count as a player for determining number of votes required to lynch?

We lynch Vi today, Alchemist, in case there is further flavor-related bullshit that means Feysal can't be killed unless Vi is killed.

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@JT - What are our choices for time period tomorrow?

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Dildos. I suppose one more trip to Prehistory wasn't in the cards.

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At least the choice is clear cut. Go to the Middle Ages, if scum still exist/have a kill then they're forced to kill Pidgey.

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So help us all if this doesn't work.

Vote: Feysal

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I hate that we're doing this, by the way. Vi will never let me live it down if it loses us the game.

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I am here. Gate Key acquired.

I hate to say it, but I think Vi isn't the play today due to flavor. Did you read Alchemist's death scene?

I'm the only confirmed town that I can see around here, JT.

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Code_X, gotta agree, why send a thing to Vi of all the people?

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Alchemist, don't take this the wrong way here, but yesterday I was clearly the more competent of us. You were going nuts thinking it was anybody/everybody. That's exactly the kind of person scum want to bring to endgame. Instead, you're dead. Who possibly knows you best and has the most info to hide by killing you?

If we had more time, I'd lynch Code. As we don't have more time, I'm leaning Pidgey. As it's LYLO, I intend to think on this quite a bit.

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I could wax on about how I think Faraday is trying to screw me, and I need to read up quite a bit, but I'm not finding it likely I'm voting anyone but Pidgey today.

@CodeX: If we lynch Vi today, I die tonight, and maybe Vi comes back. If we lynch Pidgey today, I die tonight almost certainly, then you lynch Vi and we win.

I've been pondering what Oversoul meant when he said he was still playing to his wincon. Pidgey was the other wagon with attention before he melted down, and Vi hadn't been brought back yet. I think he was sacrificing himself to force us to let the scum reviver live another turn AND to make us pick among the three left on the DRey wagon, hoping we'd miss.

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Code_X is the towniest one here besides myself. While we were bickering about who would die on the DRey wagon, he watched me visit JT. Scum Code_X had no reason to share that information whatsoever. Me going somewhere, having no visible result the next day, and there being a kill from both teams that night means I'm much much harder to mislynch the next day. Scum Code_X wouldn't verify that.

JT is probably town, but I need to do some reading. I hate the claim and the bungled use of it, especially by a town player I respect like Regfan, and his point about scum traitors going after him doesn't make sense. Of course scum traitors would go for you, dude, you could bring back Vi which they did NOT want to happen. Then again, we have evidence of a revived scum, a revived town would go a hell of a long way towards rebalancing that.

Code_X, I would like a full list of everyone you targeted each night, please.

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The last time I was in Lylo, I learned a very important lesson, which I am trying to apply here. "Scum bring who they want into endgame."

Who the hell would kill Alchemist over myself? We were both confirmed town as soon as Feysal flipped.

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My earlier quote was dependent on what I thought traitor was, an in-scum faction that won if the 'main' mafia died. I checked up on the wiki and it would appear I was mistaken. I need to go back over the Oversoul meltdown when I have some time. Speaking of the Oversoul meltdown, your being cleared is dependent on whether or not Oversoul was telling the truth when he said the spawn couldn't submit the kill.

Perhaps this is more confusion on my part on how traitors work.

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Code_X: Here's the thing about Vi today. If I was 100% sure that Vi wouldn't just spring back to freaking life, Vi would certainly be the play. Pidgey could bodyguard me, if I ended up dead you lynch Pidgey, done. I get the feeling that Kdub has a bit of buyers remorse with the revive? I absoultely hate this teasing in the death scene. Mod scenes should just be flavor, not attempting to influence my choices.

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The why's of the flavor of Kino watching are inconsequential. He is, he did, the end.

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No. I believe the claim, that's about it.

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Shmugen; How positive are you that Non-Vi is the better lynch in this case because I think lynching Vi and then having Pidgey "BG" one of us randomly to "prove" his ability might actually be the better way to play this. Then if we're actually wrong about Pidgey there's a 50% chance his 'save' prevents us from losing from his lynch and if Code NKs to prevent that risk we might get to a position where we can lynch-> you role-block successfully in the case of a mslynch for the win.

They were ready to fight, but they knew that they needed to find a way to prevent him from returning again...

That's all I'm going on, essentially. Flavor wise, in the last boss fight against Lavos, there are three pieces. The Left Bit, the Core, and the Right Bit. The interesting monkey wrench to the fight is that the Right Bit is the 'real' Lavos. If you kill the Left and the Core, the Right will eventually bring them back. Alsark seems to have been the Left and Vi is the Core.

It depends on how much Kdub bent this reviving factor into a role in the game and how much he is trying to influence our decision through death scenes. 2-shot scum reviver sounds beyond ridiculous, but that's what the above quote is implying.

If we lynch Vi:
1. If Pidgey is telling the truth, I should live, he should die. 3 players for D11 (which would be Prehistory, by the way, not that it would matter). Scum CodeX could circumvent this by killing JT. Scum JT could circumvent this by killing CodeX. Both flavors could prolong things by no-killing and waiting for Vi to come back, but then, again, I'll be a Jailer again tomorrow night, and CodeX a watcher.

2. If Pidgey is lying, Code_X will die and he'll try to get me to lynch JT.

3. Vi may come straight back to life, putting us squarely back in this position but without another player.

Given the situation, JT, that may not be a bad call. So long as we properly analyze the situation tomorrow, looking at PRs the scum would want to kill, there's only one way I'm dead tomorrow and that's if Pidgey is not actually a bodyguard. Scum JT would leave Pidgey alive, Scum Code_X would do the same.

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Hey Vi -- How do you feel about being revived?

@JT - I sort of bungled the whole planning actions thing, it's far too easy to wifom through. I blame sleepiness.

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Code_X doesn't have a watch tonight, all we have is Pidgey's bodyguard.

Pidgey, this is the traditional sort of bodyguard where you die instead if the person you targeted would have been killed?

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It makes it difficult to glean anything from the results. Pidgey is the most likely scum candidate, but voting Vi is essentially a no-lynch that does something. I'm close to ready to joining you, Faraday.

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Worst case scenario Vi comes right back and we're down a townie.

[Shmugen]

Probably. Either way, killing Vi gets us more info and time to work with.

Vote: Vi

[Shmugen]

Tell you the truth, JT, I'm not a fan of the coin flip part. If Pidgey is scum, I just end up dead and he says 'Oh, the coin had me protect Code_X' or whoever the plan is.

[Shmugen]

I think I comprende.

[Shmugen]

How exactly is it that you think Code_X is scum again? Not your opinion on his posting but through verified night actions?

[Shmugen]

The way I see it, Code_X is town. The entire reason we're lynching Vi today is your reasoning that scum can't kill/ability, and if Code_X is scum, he gave away feathers and such as the last red scum with an available kill many nights.

[Shmugen]

That last quote for Pidgey about keeping his role name a secret feels mighty damning.

[Shmugen]

I received a petal last night.

I am Queen Azala, VT with a Jailer in Prehistory. Our one previous visit to Prehistory, I jailed JT, which you watched.

I started the game with the Gate Key. On Night 1 I gave the Gate Key to Kuribo. On Day 2 I pretended to still have the Gate Key in an attempt to draw a nightkill/daykill/what have you. On Day 3 I received the Gate Key back from Kuribo. On Night 3, I gave the Gate Key to SpyreX.

Around 2 PM eastern time, I will be V/LA for the weekend on an annual camping trip. God help either of you if you cast a vote in that time.

[Shmugen]

Wow that last sentence was dumb.

I have to check a few things around lunch.

[Shmugen]

Pidgey, killing JT was the biggest favor you could have paid me. Now get in here and attempt a defense.

[Shmugen]

I intend to reread both of you before I cast a vote, but my townread on Code_X is not coming from nowhere. He's vendored most every night and reported watching me visit JT, which as I've explained, scum had no motivation to do at that point. Code_X scum would not have had to venture hard to kill Pidgey and help me lynch JT. Pidgey scum SHOULD have killed Code_X and helped me lynch JT.

So either Code_X is the Lavos Core with the ability to gift prehistoric objects each night and watch in Prehistory OR Pidgey is hoping on wifom and my earlier statement that scum take who they want into endgame + Vi coaching that I'll change my mind.

[Shmugen]

I have not been on you all game, Pidgey, though a go-through of the ISO shows you've been attemping to tear down my credibility from D2. Now, on D2, I deserved it because I was bullshitting about being the only one in charge of time-changing and being conf-town based on that, but that even today you're trying to test the waters and see if Code_X could be talked into lynching me which is stupid. I have no idea why you killed JT, perhaps because you thought you'd have a better chance getting Code to listen to your Godfather theory, but you still have no satisfactory answer to the most pressing issue here.

Code_X has been vendoring all game long except when he watched JT and saw me visit him. Now, sure, Kdub's rules permit Factional/Active ability use on the same night. That doesn't stop the flavor, which runs strong in this game. Unless Kdub gave out an operational fakeclaim, which is bananas, the Lavos Core has the ability to give out prehistoric items.

Would you like my guess at why we're here, the three of us, right now? I think Vi thought you guys were boned, and you had one hope, and that's if the Shmu out-thought himself. Faraday/Regfan thought Code_X was town, and he's much more solid than poor paranoid Shmugen.

Vote: Pidgey

[Shmugen]

I should be here all night, Code, if you have any questions for me.

[Shmugen]

My vote is not moving, and you'd be 1 for 4 in lylos in the last month if you were scum right now.

For the record, Code, on the 1% chance you are scum, you aren't making any friends dragging this out. Towncred doesn't matter when you can grasp victory.

For the record, Pidgey, on the 99% chance you are scum, you aren't making any friends dragging this out. Hammer yourself.

[Shmugen]

Says the man with the evil clown avatar.

[Shmugen]

If we post enough, perhaps Pidgey will come in here, not read, think you hammered, and just start babbling about all the things that went wrong for him.

[Shmugen]

I'll have a response to that later this afternoon when I get my 10 minute break. Earlier posting bunch was lunch.

[Shmugen]

Oh i had not seen this game and shmu's vote.

Im 0-2 as a fucking misslynch in lylo dude.

Look, i cant really say much besides what ive already said. Shmu has been riding conf town status since DAY 2, of all days. Its all he can talk about, how townie he is. Look at how he completely makes it a point that he was trying to bait a night kill with his act. As soon as he had a chance to get some town cred, instead he of actually keeping quite about it, he blabbled it out. Also, it makes sense flavor wise if you think about it that the core would start with the time device. It also makes sense that he would be a godfather. He ignored alsark completely and he kinda buddied with Vi at times.

Look at how shmu changed from oversoul to me when I roleclaimed. After oversoul had blatantly lied in thread about a cop result, sure he laid a vote in him because he was obviously scum. But then when I claimed he changed to me because he wanted to get a misslynch out of me. Look at his iso, from 208 to 235 all he wanted was to distract us from the oversoul lynch.

I can say more but it just a matter of whether you believe im town or not, and you dont since d7 for some fkn reason. Like shmu said, scum bring whoever they want to lylo, and its pretty clear why they brought me. Ive been set up to be misslynched for a while. But Im town, and sure maybe some stuff makes me look bad, but its not my fkn problem my role is what it is.

vote> Shmugen

As you were not in the game at the beginning, Code, allow me to explain my 'blabbing for town cred'. I began the game with the Gate Key, the same Gate Key you now have that allows switching between time periods. I was not given a reason as to why I started with the key. After using it night 1 and having my name appear in the mod notes as the one who used the key, I decided to pretend to still have the key in an attempt to draw a nightkill/daykill/reactions. In actuality, I had given it to Kuribo, who understood what I was doing. Now, the reason I 'blabbed' for town cred is that it was my only option. The Day 3 mod notes showed that Kuribo used the Gate Key. I could not sit on my lie and pretend anymore, that would just look stupid. It was a one-day plan, so when it was done I explained it.

When you have the gate key, you choose a list of five players to give the gate key to. Were I the Lavos Core who started with the key, town would never have gotten it until I ran out of options. Alsark was alive D2, he would have had the key.

Now, here's my favorite part. Note how at the beginning of the day, Pidgey's posts looked like this:

Dude I would have killed you like 4 days ago if I was scum. Not even joking. You'll just type "OH WIFOM" but think about it.
You've been death set on lynching me since like a long time ago, and not only that but you are almost conf town since you are in the sensor wagon and ever since you did that gambit thing with the era changing device, so unless you are a godfather you are town.

Yet your read on Code X is coming from absolutely nowhere.

I wish I would have died from Roleblocking today but whatever im gonna have to convince you through gameplay.

I am Frog and im VT.

I have 2 abilities, a roleblock called Knights of the Round Table that can be used in the middle ages.

My targets has always been Shmugen N2 and N10,

the 2 nights that ive used. Yes we've been on the middle ages 3 times, but one of the times someone used some time travel ability and took us to the future again.

My other ability is a one shot roleblock called Frog Squash that cannot be used on the middle ages which I used on Nuwen N5.

Bolded for emphasis. He questions my Code_X townread hard and claims to have protected me last night. Now that I've made it clear my vote isn't moving, there isn't a word about Code to be found. For having such a scumread on me today, Pidgey, you protected me last night?

[Shmugen]

You're voting me, ergo you have a scumread on me.

What I'm saying is that your line about not knowing I cast a vote is crap. You hadn't seen this game, this game that is in LyLo? More likely by far you were hoping I would vote Code and you could hop in and finish it.

I'm voting you for a few reasons, Pidgey. Your ISO is pretty gross, you never once suspected any of red scum but for Oversoul when it was him or you, your claim is bad, Frog never EVER had any connection to 'Knights of the Round Table' (that name is never once mentioned in Chrono Trigger, by the way. There's a bad 'Knights of the Square Table' joke, but that's it), you said you'd keep your 'Vanilla Townie' rolename a secret so as to not reveal anything, and by the rules and flips of all the other players your role name should be 1-shot roleblocker, NOT VT. You are voting me for PoE.

[Shmugen]

As for point 1, while I don't terribly care as to what it means, if you suspected Shadow and Oversoul but they were irrelevant, what are you trying to say?

3: I understand you're voting me for PoE. What I'm saying is that that's ALL you have.

I know Code is town due to the vendoring and the watching. Code hopefully knows I am town from the Gate Key, general gameplay, the sensor, and watching me target JT with no ill effects. Why are you town?

[Shmugen]

I could wax on, but instead I'm going to answer any and all questions Code asks me to the best of my ability and not argue with Pidgey.

[Shmugen]

Assuming Code HAS any questions, of course.

[Shmugen]

I was intending to jail Fate, yes, unless town came up with a better solution. At that point I was itching to use my power and be something other than VT.

I think you should take a closer look at Alsark's role. 'Action-Immunity Enabler'. What this means is that, so long as Alsark was alive, the last red scum had action-immunity. Pidgey is correct in that, in a way, the last red scum was a godfather, but only until Alsark died.

I've been trying to figure out why JT died for days. The best kill for Pidgey scum was you by a mile. I was showing all kinds of paranoia about JT. The best reason I can think of is that JT is a strong personality who could overcome my paranoia and convince me to vote Pidgey. I don't think scum brought me here, I think scum brought you here, Code.

[Shmugen]

Why I voted so soon should be obvious. I reread both your and Pidgey's ISOs, looked at the claims, looked at the proof of the claims, and voted the one who made sense.

[Shmugen]

Were I the Lavos Core who started with the key, town would never have gotten it until I ran out of options. Alsark was alive D2, he would have had the key.

Alsark died night 2 though? So you as scum could have passed it to him before it ended up with Kuribo. And as the other scum were traitors I can understand it not going to anyone bar town. Like passing it to Spyrex night 4 or whenever it was.

I had the key night one and the mod scene showing I used it night one showed up day 2. I could have set up my priorities on the list of people so that Vi gets the key first, then Alsark, etc. The mod scene showing Kuribo used the key night 2 showed up day 3.

My guess is that we have a decently power-loaded town vs SK vs Lavos scum group

but that scum will revive if we don't kill right pod now that defense is down

. Winning the game will require clever blocking of known scum by whatever town powers are applicable in the era to get ahead while they whittle us away.

What do you mean here Shmu?

I notice Pidgey also witters on about a lot of speculation mainly three parts. Though the reviving but above you seem aware of something here.

In the video game, the final boss (Lavos) has three parts, two little floating 'bits' to the left and right and a roughly humanoid looking thing in the middle. A safe bet would be that the humanoid thing (Vi) was the core, but the core is actually the right bit. The right bit has twice the defensive stats as the left bit and the humanoid thing, which drops when you kill them off. If you leave just the right bit alive, it brings the other two back to life. I engaged in what I thought was silly setup speculation due to the mod scene at the beginning of Day 3:

Alsark was the Lavos Pod (Action Immunity-Enabler), killed Night 2


...

Lavos Core shuts off defense!

As it turns out, I was correct. It was pure setup speculation, and based on the incredulous responses from Spy and Fate, an unexpected turn.

[Shmugen]

I did. I never recieved any flavor-justification for my starting with the key.

[Shmugen]

I assumed that Alsark and Vi weren't action immune based on the flips. An Enabler allows the sort of action they enable to happen. Someone was action-immune, and since Alsark died, they aren't. Pidgey is supposing that I am a godfather but am not the action-immune member of the Lavos team, meaning there would be two godfathers on the Lavos team and one on the Shade team. There have not been nearly enough investigative roles to allow for this. We have the sensor, and possibly SpyreX. We have no idea what RBT was, but if RBT was a cop, it was era-dependent.

Secondly, Pidgey, scumhunting blue team as red scum awards you no points.

My idea that Vi may have auto-revived was dependent on my thinking that blue team was gone, meaning that red team could kill and have Vi pop back up. Feysal proved me wrong.

The point with the key, Pidgey, is that I would have given it to Vi first on the list, and then Alsark. Only on the offchance that both of my hypothetical Lavos partners died the first night (and Alsark lived) would town have received the key.

[Shmugen]

My silly theory that scum could revive came from Day 3. My idea that scum might revive on a timer came from Day 9.

As for the key: The only time I would be in a tight spot from putting Vi and Alsark first on my list would be if the lists were public knowledge. Alsark would have had the key Day 2 and no one would have ever known I tried to give it to Vi. Now, I'm not saying Kuribo getting the key makes me confirmed town. I'm saying the sensor result and my inability to be a godfather makes me confirmed town, and the way I handled the key situation D2 was something only town would do.

[Shmugen]

I still believe that a mod wouldn't start such a thing in scum hands when the info is public in mod scenes. I did not say then I was confirmed town, simply that I was close. I was challenged on this point throughout the game and the reasons for me saying it have been stated already. I was attempting to draw a nightkill/daykill by pretending to be in charge of the gate key at all times. If the person with the key gets daykilled, the killer gets the key, and if the person with the key gets lynched, the hammerer gets the key. In addition to seeing if anyone would daykill/nightkill me, I wanted to see what scum knew about the time changing mechanic.

[Shmugen]

I also believe that the key was probably randomized.

As for why I'm alive, I really don't know. We have our full compliment of kills/explainable scum actions each night. My only guess is that with red team being so low in numbers so soon, they were hoping to hit blue scum and get town away from hunting red, and blue team, having 5 members, thought red team was likely smaller and was hoping to finish them?

I want your opinion on what I did with the gate key, Pidgey. Why would scum pretend to still have it when they knew the charade would end on Day 3?

[Shmugen]

I know it's your job, Pidgeyscum, but you're making me look bad here. I did not claim to be confirmed town at any point until we had whittled down the sensor results. I said I was the closest thing to confirmed town on D2, and on D3 had clear town motivations for my actions.

A fair point, the handling of the key to scumpartners/town can be wifomed all day long, though it fits with your being scum that you assume I had multiball in mind with my N1/D2/D3 actions when we didn't have a blue flip until the end of D3.

I believe we have reached another point where we must wait for Code for questions. Your case on me is that I've been calling myself town all game (I've been town all game) and must be a godfather, and any arguments we get into like who would do what with the key are mere distractions from the primary issues.

[Shmugen]

Precisely my point, dear Pidgey. When WIFOM-ing what I would have done with the Gate Key, your assumptions included me planning for multiball-scenarios from the very beginning. All of my explanations for what I've done for the key in D2 and D3 have not a hint of multiball speculation in them. It is not a strong point against you, I won't pretend it is, but it is something.

[Shmugen]

Alternatively, and truthfully, I took the opportunity I had and crafted it to maximize town benefit.

[Shmugen]

At some point, you will have to make a choice, Code.

Twice now you have mentioned all signs point to Pidgey being scum. There is evidently some nagging doubt telling you I'm scum. What is it? Perhaps I can ease your mind.

[Shmugen]

Fair enough. The most important thing is you making the right decision, and deadline isn't for 8 days yet.

[Shmugen]

I have made it to LyLo twice before, once as scum and once as town. The scum game was Polite Mafia, which is not what I would call a routine game. It ended just a week or so ago and began in February. There were no deadlines and odd post restrictions, and I was forced to resort to pleading with the rest of the players to not abandon the game. After my guilt tripping finally worked, a replacement showed up. We bussed a partner, the replacement voted town first thing the next day, and we quickhammered. The last day took approximately 14 hours.

The town game was Pine's Lightning Mafia, a mini-normal eaten in the big crash that happened the first week of March. DarthYoshi had replaced in around day 2 or 3 and was the strongest townread I had. I had been arguing with another player for most of the game, and LyLo ended up being me, that player, and Darth. I voted the other player, Darth finished the job, and told me to always remember that scum bring who they want into LyLo. I understand your trepidation.

[Shmugen]

EBWOP: It was Pine, actually, who told me to always remember that scum bring who they want, not Darth.

[Shmugen]

Code, I really recommend you not pay this game any more thought until you sober up. As much as I'd love to have you vote pidgey, I don't want a drunken vote of fancy to be how this ends. Come back tomorrow, think it over, vote with conviction.

[Shmugen]

You want me to explain to you why Pidgey is town? I mean, I could try, but the only option left for scum then would be you. Like how in order for me to be a godfather, I'd need to be action immune and seen doing something to JT with no effect and revive scum, for you to be scum, you need to be a consistent vendor scum who can revive others and watch in prehistory, AND be the biggest asshole ever stringing Pidgey and I along like this. I don't buy it. You're town.

[Shmugen]

I've got a busy day at work today, I won't be able to do a post with quotes and analysis until like 5 PM EST.

[Shmugen]

Feel free to go first while I'm busy, Pidgey.

[Shmugen]

So, why is Pidgey scum:

1. The claim. There are numerous things wrong with it. Based on multiple other flips, if Pidgey is telling the truth about his role, his rolename should be '1-shot Roleblocker'. Consider this piece:

Alchemist stfu, if you werent almost confirmed i would fkn hate you right now.

Ok, think about it.

I hadnt check my stupid role PM in 3 or so months.

Also the stupid knight kill makes no sense as people outside of wagon = scum.

I can use frog squash

any time

, but only once, being a high MP spell and all?

Oversould fucking claims COP of all shit and IM the one being lynched, ffs.

Except thats playing against my wincon.

Maybe im VT because i

can not use frog splash in the middle ages, only in the other eras.

He changes his mind after people give him shit about what his role name should be, and this entire discussion takes place after he checked his PM recently. Interestingly, Code, his role claims to be similar to yours, except he's VT because he can't use his bodyguard in the middle ages. Could you use your vendor in Prehistory had you wanted to?

2. The sudden flip in priorities in the late days. This first selection shows how Pidgey saying he's been suspicious of me since the beginning is some bull.

Schmugen is town for me. Kuribo withholding he knew about the time thing is also pretty townish.

People saying anything about how their role can confirm them still piss me off a bit. Also, schmugen is prob town not because he started with the gate key but because of the way he handled the passing of it.

I really have not read a case on snifit, i've kinda seen a case on drey, the only good wagon today is staeg for the reasons ive given. Although the people in staeg wagon are not that townish, honestly, schmugen aside.

This selection, from Day 10, is Pidgey still going after you, Code.

Why the fuck are you talking with code x like if he was confirmed town?

Also you are going to be very dissapointed if you are town cause if you lynch me youll lose unless theres a way we can stop the night kill.

Look the only reason im brought to fkn lylo is because of the claim and because apperantly people probably has less of a hard time lynching players like me over someone like fate or faraday. The fact is you have done very little besides doing a protown move d1 shmu, and i wouldnt be that surprised ifyou somehow were a godfather.

Codex has skated all of the game and he even wanted to 1 on 1 me the day we changed the lynch to oversoul. He was so sure about that, but when we started changing the wagon back to oversoul he even made posts like saying "o guys so i guess oversoul is the lynch today?". I bet he wanted us to come back to misslynch me. As long as he ismt suspected, he is fine with anything.

I will elaborate given time - my problem with this game is I've not really caught up properly and when your pages behind 50 is a lot to catch up. It needs a good three/fours read.

Codex started saying he has reads on people, like me, yet he admitted that he hasnt even catch up to the game. Also, its fucking lylo and he hasnt "caught up properly".

Can we lynch Feysal?

If not I'll hammer Shadow.

He was stallling for red lynches since shadow.

Boils down to trusting Zor.

And yeah bodyguard and frog splash. Mixed up much!

VOTE: Pidgey

Mixed up what? Why are you a fucking watcher? Who does kino watch?
I dont come up with the stupid roles of the game, but mine is what it is.

Someone hammer him.

Really really wanted to hammer me over oversoul. Theres also another post 2944 where he says something "like oversoul was lying town? Damn town!" screams

This is from Pidgey's first post here in Day 11. Note how he attempts to get on my good side, leaves himself an opening in case I am not easily swayed, and still attempts to poke at you.

You've been death set on lynching me since like a long time ago, and not only that but you are almost conf town since you are in the sensor wagon and ever since you did that gambit thing with the era changing device, so unless you are a godfather you are town.
Yet your read on Code X is coming from absolutely nowhere.
...My targets has always been Shmugen N2 and N10, the 2 nights that ive used. ...

If Pidgey has been suspicious of me since early on, why would he protect me N10?

3. General Things

This category includes things like the sensor results and your watching me visit JT making Pidgey scum through PoE.

If this is not enough to convince you, I could probably dig something else up if I really worked at it.

[Shmugen]

*exasperated sigh* Again, the deadline is a long ways off, but considering Code's request has been up for the last 13 hours and the above post of mine took at most twenty minutes, I am less than pleased. Real life is more important that mafia, etc., but I detect convenient stalling.

[Shmugen]

Among his role confusion, Pidgey backpedaled, saying he was a vanilla townie due to his inability to use his 'whenever' ability during the Middle Ages, when his era-specific was available. Not that he couldn't do both, but that he was literally told he could not.

[Shmugen]

SHMUGEN

1.-No lack of interaction with Alsark or Vi what so ever.
2.- His conf town status that he did on D2.
3.- His conf town status gambit that he supposedly did d3.
4.- Tried to derail the oversoul lynch on d7 to me when oversould had clearly lied about an innocent result on me
5.- holy shit i just realized this scenario. Remember how schmugen said stuff about the reviving ability? Also, remember how shmugen visited JT according to you codex one night before Vi revived? Get this, Shmu probably gained someone the ability to revive from already confirmed reviver JT! Next night after this happened, Vi fucking revived. This is linked, this had to be a role shenanigans obtained by godfather shmugen somehow. Core ability was already speculated by shmu maybe it was some kind of role copying one shot, it even makes sense for the scum
6.- Shmu has been riding this conf town cred since d2 and is still alive.
7.- Im a prime candidate for scum lynching since day 7 when i claimed. I have to be honest that no rereading my claim and posting in cellphone is not the best idea but it is what it is.
8.- People that have thought shmugen was scum ever since alsrak flipped have died, NAMELY FATE AND LADY LAMBEDETTA
9.- Wants to get a quicklynch on lylo because im traveling
10.- Remember how he quoted form my iso that he was town? False information. Just as I have also said he might be town, ive also said he has been skating the whole game and apperaing to be town (3005, 3337,3415, 3430, etc)

Ill keep coming with stuff tomorrow. Had 30 mins of free time but will continue later

Allow me to clean this up for you/respond.

1. I had some interaction with Vi day 1. I never talked to Alsark. This would be a decent point had Vi or Alsark actually been lynched instead of NK'd.
2. 2 and 3 are the same thing. On D2 I pretended to have the key to draw a kill. On D3 I explained why I was pretending and what actually happened. It was all one maneuver.
4. This entire point is terrible. On D7 Oversoul faked his cop innocent and we lynched a red traitor scum. A quick skim tells me Pidgey received no votes D7 AND Oversoul faked his innocent on PRIMATE, not on Pidgey. More importantly, on D8, Pidgey was at L-1 and Oversoul declared intent to hammer. I

unvoted Pidgey

and we caused Oversoul to freak out and claim scum.
5. This is an interesting theory, but red scum already had a flipped Evolving Role Absorber. If they had two, Vi could have presumably copied JT and the last red scum could have copied JT and scum would have had 2 revives.
6. Barely a different point from 2/3. If you didn't want me alive, "bodyguard", why protect me?
7. All my points against Pidgey's claim are from after he reread his role PM. Interesting that Pidgey says he needed to go back and reference his claim so as to not screw up rather than going back and reading the PM to be sure.
8. Fate had me in his final townlist. LLD was skeptical, true, but Fate and LLD died the same night. At this point I believe you're saying I'm a role-copying doublekiller godfather?
9. We've been in LyLo for 8 days now. Hardly what I'd call a 'quicklynch'. I've been quite patient.
10. If they're quotes, how are they false information? Your first mention of me skating of those quotes you just mentioned was Day 8.

[Shmugen]

I have no idea how role absorber would work. It sounds a lot like it would absorb roles. I could explain this further with flavor, if you would like.

Considering how fast Vi and Alsark died, the general lack of interaction with them for each of us is kind of null. I have more interaction with Vi than you do, I've stopped pushing it as a point.

Oversoul originally claimed Middle Ages cop as Tata. I thought that was far too much power concentrated in the Middle Ages and did not believe him. When he admitted to doing a stupid gambit (which is typical Oversoul play) and claimed Macho, that alleviated my main reason for voting him.

If you're supposing I knew that Oversoul was a traitor on my team, why would I vote him over a claimed town PR?

The posts I quoted about your claim confusion are from AFTER you went back and checked your PM.

Again, you'll have to explain to my satisfaction HOW I 'took' these powers before I give you any time of day on this one.


Code, we haven't heard from you in a while.

[Shmugen]

I can explain away at least one of your fears, and it isn't something you should be concerned about. The quick vote in LyLo. It's what your role is designed to do, Code. You sent me an item, there was a kill, the item led me to believe it wasn't you, ergo I voted Pidgey.

When considering the balance of protective roles and Pidgey's claim, recall also that Staeg claimed to be able to jail AND doctor in addition to the two flipped docs and myself.

[Shmugen]

What do you make of it? He seems to be heavily implicating me as blue scum. I've seen Oversoul do some stupid things in my time, but suiciding when I was already on to him and calling me blue scum to throw everyone else off thinking I was bussing the traitor I wouldn't know?

[Shmugen]

I generally have a hierarchy I refer to when I have issues forming reads. First, what do actions tell me? Second, what does the play tell me? Third, what do the relations tell me? Fourth, what have I overlooked?

When referring to Shadow, I think you're over thinking it. Yes, it's possible (though not wise, in my opinion) that the traitor was trying to get rid of red scum team as soon as possible so their kills could take over, if Oversoul is to be believed. It is entirely more likely that, as I had just gotten confused on who I was voting, Shadow took a shot at me and my towncred, gauging the reactions he got and taking what he saw as an opportunity.

If Oversoul cooked up his suicide in a masterful attempt to keep you alive till endgame and have you think he was protecting me, I'll have to give him grudging respect for cooking up a plan that should never, ever have worked.

P:edit: Of course I thought there was more red scum. We hadn't had the Lavos Core flip yet. What do you make of me saying that?

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Been there, messed up before. Tell yourself what you know for sure and work from there. Question what you know and why you know it, and when you've got it all whittled down, vote. Preferably for Pidgey. I'm going to bed.

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And I'm awake. At least I didn't decide to stay up and wait for Code's decision.

We begin to encroach upon my patience limits. Sooner or later, Code, you will have to make a choice. This band-aid has been on much too long, it's time to rip it off.

Look at Pidgey's arguments. Honestly look at them. On the whole, what are they? WIFOM. 'Well, he did the gate key thing, he could be scum going for towncred', 'He's still alive, he must be scum (says the 'bodyguard' who protected me twice)', 'He might have absorbed JT's revive ability and brought Vi back'. Where, anywhere in his case against me, does he mention me doing something scummy. I'll wait for your answer.

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I'm not just saying this because you're from England, but have a relaxing cup of tea before you post, calm your nerves. I'm mostly getting impatient because I can only beat up on Pidgey's case on me so much before my fists of righteousness start to hurt.

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I've been so tempted to begin taunting my victory as soon as you hammered Pidgey just to make you think you made the wrong choice, but you're so guilt ridden and concerned I'll take it easy on you.

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Man, Pidgey, you could have done better fighting me. I even admitted at one point to trying to give Vi the Gate Key N1. Why did you kill JT?

Relax, Code, I'm town.

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With how long that took, though, you certainly knocked me down a few rungs. I thought I was better at convincing people than that.

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At long last.

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I gotta admit, this credits music feels SO GOOD.

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I left some bits out of my posts, like how I woke up each morning for the last week thinking 'I hope Code didn't go crazy last night'.

Man, playing the patient role is difficult. I've been willing to scream and get incredulous at some of the arguments you were buying.

@Staeg - I'm sure the dead thread was nothing but facepalms. Here's the thing though. I had taken what was obvious, explored it in massive depth, and STILL felt a need to do better as it was apparently not good enough. Had I managed to lose this for the town, I would never have lived it down.

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1. I made as much deal as I needed. Code was obviously paranoid, if I started screaming at the top of my lungs trying to force him to decide he could have easily panicked.
2. What was I supposed to do, unvote Pidgey? I knew who scum was and voted them. If I hadn't voted, I'd have to explain why, and I had no reason.
3. That's a good question.

One of the bigger swing points in this game for me happened Night 1 when Vi died and didn't get the gate key.

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The fakeclaims started to get a bit obvious. No collection of characters that contained town contained all their members. There was no Lucca, there was no Melchoir, there was no Ozzie/Flea, etc.

I brought it up a bit. The argument devolved into action-immunity godfathery bullshit which I dismantled handily.

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Aww, Shadow~ "Shmu seems to be one of the more promissing newer players on site as far as I can tell."

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THERE it is. Nuwen had it, I was wondering where the hell Dalton was.

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As I said, Pidgey would have had a much easier time making me paranoid about JT. I mean, SERIOUSLY YOU USED A REVIVE SHOT ON AN ASCETIC.

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This is my second visit to LyLo and the first where I was actually in a good position. How does one not give away the hammer?

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I see. Hey Code, out of curiosity, how would that have gone?

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Hahahaha, my favorite part of the Lavos QT, though out of context:
Pidgey 103: God im lonely
Kdub 104: Action acknowledged.

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Oh, this game would have been done a week ago. I understand the practicality of giving the hammer to the conftown, but considering that you gave me an item N10, I figured you thought I was town anyway.

I thought about asking to ease your mind by unvoting and having you vote Pidgey, but you were already going crazy thinking I was scum, it wouldn't have done anything.

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Wow, I never once mentioned the sensor result? Really? I guess I assumed that Code remembered. I figured it wouldn't sway him much as he was actually giving credence to the investigation-immune theory, hence my thinking I had confirmed my sensor-ness via showing I was not investigation-immune.

@Vi - Bacon ipsum is amazing. Regarding the fakeclaims, when no one counterclaimed Lucca and only 2 players didn't chime in, I realized that we didn't have all of the main cast, meaning they were all prime picking for fakeclaims. Fate and JT were believable claims (regardless of my JT paranoia), but Melchoir never came up.


In apology to everyone, this is my first experience as confirmed town (though I'm always confirmed town if you believe it in your heart) and I was not as pushy as I should have been with Code. The majority of my endgame mafia experience is real life stuff, where you stab at impossibilities and explain away dumb theories. I did both, but I'll remember next time to not allow the bull that transpired.

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What reasons would that be?

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For the past week I have been ready to blacklist Code on the offchance he was blue scum Dalton.

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After 3 days, the line was crossed from trolling to poor sportsmanship.

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I was thinking today, I was very fortunate that Lucca was a fakeclaim. Many people assumed my starting with key was due to being Lucca, having a real one would have caused problems.