Otherworld Mafia - Vasta - Over

[Mastermind of Sin]

quadz, you should probably rephrase that question to be more...generic. I doubt the mods are going to confirm or deny you having any particular role via answering that question...

I was thinking that there are two scum teams and that both started with three members in each thread.

You heard it hear, first:

My initial guess is that the game was balanced for two 10:3 threads to start...giving us 6 scum.

Booyah, bitches!

Oh, and I switched threads cuz who gives a fuck and this playerlist looked way more fun. Plus I thought it'd be amusing to annoy quadz some more.

It also has the side effect of forcing me to pay more attention to both threads rather than just the one I'm in, since most of the players I have a history with are over in the other thread right now...whereas I have paid almost 0 attention to this thread so far.

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Ok, so now that I'm confirmed not red mafia and not blue scum, can people stop being retarded and thinking they can mislynch me?

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Tierce summed up fairly well why I'm not blue scum.

She also summed up fairly well why I'm not red mafia, although a basic skim of my interactions with redFF should reveal that fairly easily. Vi is just being obstinate for no good reason.

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@tierce, mos clear is terrible. not sure where clearing yos came from out of what you quoted (though i think yos is town). overall i think you're too eager to say every person shmu attacked must not be scum with him. i know you've heard of distancing.

@everyone, mos is still active lurking. put it in the books.

ITT we learn that roflcopter thinks V/LA = active lurking. Trollolololol

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Vasta - I have reason to believe that MoS is considerably more likely to be scum than is apparent in Dayplay (and the surprise thread-switch). I will elaborate if you believe this is completely necessary.

Not really necessary, since only a fool is going to believe I'm scum at this point anyway. You're welcome to if you feel like making an idiot out of yourself, though.

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and you're bad.

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That's wrong, Sir Bastion. roflcopter has a couple posts where he makes himself look dumb trying to implicate that I might be scummy. Don't forget those...

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New policy: Since people insist on calling me scum for things I repeatedly do as town, instead of spending all of my time reading this game, I'm going to search through my past town games and quote my explanation for doing those things the last time someone was dumb enough to call me scum for it. Any time I have to spend researching is going to come out of time that would normally be spent scumhunting. So, if you don't want to waste my time or yours, try being smart about things for once.

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Vote: Sir Bastion

That was too fun to pass up.

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Sure.

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• Once you have been killed, stop typing.

Never mind.

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I suppose maybe you're not dead until the mod officially declares a lynch? It's possible I miscounted...

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I have an idea that may or may be a good one.

If mos has any sort of ability, he should be forced to target quadz tonight.

Yes, that makes total sense. Let me rephrase that for you:

"If MoS is a PR, I want him to suicide so that I don't have to nightkill him later in the game"

Why has Aia not killed DCLXVI yet, again?

Also, @Yosarian2: frankly, I don't believe in putting someone at L-1 if you aren't ready for them to die. The people voting him before me clearly knew that they were running him up to a pending lynch, and soon. All this claim of quickhammering is bullshit, because if you didn't want him to get lynched anytime soon you'd have made sure he wasn't at L-1. There is no point in putting someone at L-1 if you aren't ready for them to get hammered at any moment.

That's really a side note, though. My reason for voting Sir Bastion was pretty much explained in full when I voted him.

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What do mimics do over here in Vasta, again?

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Yea that's not what it means at all peta. You being a dick to Sir Bastion is not the same as asking for people to defend against his lynch.

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I take it back I'll vig Tierce.

Why would anyone in their right minds kill someone who switched to Vasta from the Aia thread? That's like the lowest possible probability of being scum right now...

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Womc looks to have breadcrumbed mimic in the same manner I did in day 1.

that coupled with his sudden shift to me being definite town and none of the claimed mimics jumping and saying that when they mimiced a mimic they got told he/she was a mimic means that chances are he'd have no ground to know my role. Could be scum setting himself up for the *I didnt mislynch on day 2 so on day 3 I look townie*


All the talk of letting MOS's innocence be decided by where the kills happen tonight is flawed on so many levels, the most obvious being we dont know how the killing mechanics work at all. So his troll like strut around Vasta shouldnt be ignored because the kills play out as they did night 1. One thing we do know about the killing mechanic is they are considered factional so they wouldnt be tied to one specific player.

Not to mention the fact that if people are dumb enough to subscribe to some simple nightkill theory like that, if I were scum in the Aia thread I would just no-kill tonight and trollololol as the town flopped around like idiots tomorrow.

That said, my innocence is already decided. It has nothing to do with the nightkills tonight. We have two dead scum, each from different teams, and my interactions with them clear me of being aligned with either of them. It's pretty fucking simple.

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Yeah MoS is obv town.

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I mean, I hadn't even had a chance to post my case on Bastion yet today, let alone get a response to it.

For me to know that, it would require having read the thread fully and actually paid attention to the wagon.

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I'm not really sure you can constitute that as a defense, Yos. I'm not trying to justify my actions. Just telling you how it went down because you asked. I wasn't in any rush, just felt like it.

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You know who finds it really easy to catch scum? Their scumbuddies.

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you just don't get it, do you?

Glad you didn't make me say it...

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There's 100% no way I would quickhammer as scum. Unless it was LYLO.

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Other than him being an idiot who is terrible at this game? Not much.

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Didn't really think about it at the time.

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There's 100% no way I would quickhammer as scum. Unless it was LYLO.

Why? Not a lot of people here are calling you scummy for the quickhammer. Is there some sort of rigid, moral reason you wouldn't have quickhammered as scum?

Scum-me does not to make hasty decisions like that, because he cares how other people will react to his actions.

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I don't think you understand the meaning of WIFOM.

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I don't think you understand the meaning of WIFOM.

"I don't do scummy act X as scum because when I'm scum i don't want to look scummy" is pretty much the best example of worthless self-WIFOM there is, MOS, and that's basically what you just said.

Yos, you know better than that. WIFOM only applies as a legitimate argument in situations where both sides being discussed have relatively equal probability of occurring.

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Not really, because X action may make people think person Y is scum in a void where they don't know the person, but if there is strong reason to believe that person Y would only take X action as town, then it becomes a towntell. However, person Y would still not take X action as scum, because many players are either dumb enough or do not have enough experience to think outside the void in which they believe X action is a scumtell for everyone.

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V/LA till monday

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I still think MoS is scum and I will push his lynch till I die.

Enjoy dying?

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IIRC he thought Iam's quickhammer of Pere and my quickhammer of Iam in CN was evidence of us being scum

Quickhammers being scummy are situational, fyi.

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What peta said. ^5

En la manana, Vasta needs to be trying to lynch MoS, I think (or vigbullets would be awesome, too, just to repeat that). I need to look over WoMC/Tammy/whoever else has been in that slot, too.

like, god damn are you even reading.

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Yes, MoS, I am! Your ISO in this thread is almost entirely you proclaiming your own towniness and quickhammering SB. Not exactly a shining example of town play over here. Hence the point about vigbullets being preferable to a lynch: you may not be mafia, but you're definitely scum. (SpyreX-sig style.) And yes, I realize that lynching/vigging from the pool of you/Tierce is not likely to catch scum from a numbers perspective. That doesn't make it a bad idea.

And you are a shining example of pro-town play how? LoL!

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Not really, quadz. Lack of positive protown behavior is often more telling than actively anti-town behavior.

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>_> lack of protown behavior?

please refill your prescription of paying-attention-pills.

You're welcome to prove me wrong.

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Yos2, do you disagree with her reasoning? Cuz it's pretty spot on...or are you just saying that you think the way she came about to her conclusion is strange?

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@Tammy: You're exactly right. I do try to emulate my meta when I'm scum, but IMO I tend to do a poor job of it because there is more at stake.

I also think Yos' typo is not scummyl, although not for the same reason. Yos' explanation is pretty much the way I thought of it, but I don't buy into the "scum pay more attention to their posts" theory because it's very player specific and I think Yos is probably one of those players who is generally pretty careful about his posts as either alignment. This just happened to be one he missed, so the typo in and of itself is not a towntell but it certainly doesn't make him scum.

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BTW, I'm V/LA Friday through Monday...

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You're welcome to prove me wrong.

If you want to argue with me, you've got to give me something to argue against. Just making random accusations of "quadz is being anti-town" or whatever your exact words were isn't giving me a case to respond to. Again, the burden of proof lies upon you, not me.

Oh really? Burden of proof is on the accuser? That's interesting. Then why don't you fucking explain why my actions are scum-motivated instead of just being all "hey look at these less-than-helpful things MoS would do regardless of alignment! We should lynch/vig him because he's annoying the shit out of me even though I don't actually have a good reason to think he's scum. I don't really want to scumhunt so I'll just keep calling for his lynch instead!"

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Plum, what led you to conclude PeregrineV was scum?

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Also:

Not to mention the fact that if people are dumb enough to subscribe to some simple nightkill theory like that, if I were scum in the Aia thread I would just no-kill tonight and trollololol as the town flopped around like idiots tomorrow.

That said, my innocence is already decided. It has nothing to do with the nightkills tonight. We have two dead scum, each from different teams, and my interactions with them clear me of being aligned with either of them. It's pretty fucking simple.

Nobody died in Aia Night 2.

trollololol

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Who is this lastsurvivor guy and why can't I remember him doing anything of note in this game?

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Sir Bastion (8): Amrun, petapan, roflcopter, Yosarian2, Panzerjager, quadz08, Tierce, Mastermind of Sin

peta is town
Yos2 is probstown
quadz/Tierce are statistically town
I'm town

That leaves, Amrun, roflcopter, and Panzer by PoE. Probably 1-2 of them are scum.

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Then it's roflcopter or Amrun if anyone...and I haven't seen anything from Amrun to make me think she was scum, although admittedly I don't remember much of her play.

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I'm also okay with an MoS lynch

No.

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@quadz: The only redeeming feature you have so far in this game is that you swapped threads N1 while there was a kill, which makes you statistically less likely to be scum.

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Vote: roflcopter

As much as I hate to say it (and contradict my old theory in the process), am I the only one who's thinking that Tierce moved herself to fit into the "less likely to be scum cuz NK" group and then claimed to have been moved as a distraction so people wouldn't question why she moved threads? Then Aia lynched a second one of her scumbuddies and there was no one left in that thread to make the kill last night. I'm still going with my 3-3 theory for scum numbers, obviously, but it all fits together rather well for my liking...

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implosion, if we have a bunch of confirmed town (presumably) that the scum can't NK (presumably), why would we want them to portal to the thread that has all the scum in it? Why not just let that town decimate itself and then portal over all at once to kill off the remaining players?

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@DCLXVI: *facepalm*

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Your wagon is bigger so that makes this easy. Also I'm not scum so it's a no-brainer.

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lol...the self-vote doesn't actually make me want to lynch him any less.

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@Aia: ^5 Vi

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Yos2, the other thread already has a lynch. What two weeks of twilight were you predicting, again?

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Yos2, the other thread already has a lynch. What two weeks of twilight were you predicting, again?

Ok. I haven't had a chance to look at the other thread. that's irrelevant, though. Why are we trying to end the day so fast, again, after that disastrous day we had yesterday?

Anyway, at this point, I'd much rather lynch you then rofl. You still haven't explained your terrible hammer yesterday, and now you're making a pretty terrible vote today.

I'm not trying to end the day, Yos2. I was the FIRST person to vote roflcopter...everyone else followed ME this time. Why are you going after me for him being at L-1 instead of the people who actually put him there? Also, I'm not the one calling for a speedlynch, that's rolfcopter, lol...

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That being said, I'm not voting for you, I'm voting for the guy who actually put him at lynch -1 for no reason.

I definitely did not put roflcopter at L-1 for "no reason." Yeah, I barely brushed upon it in my vote, but my main reasons for hopping on the roflcopter wagon were because of his early game push on NS and MoS when neither had really done anything particularly scummy. MoS in particular, who hadn't posted much at all.

MOS not saying much of anything in the other thread on day 1 *was* the main scum tell, and rofl was hardly the only person to call him out on it.

You're neglecting the fact that not posting much isn't a justifiable scumtell for me in the first place, so it doesn't make any sense for him to go after me on that basis.

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Re: Yos - My point is that there were NOT extenuating circumstances for my behavior in this game...my behavior can be tracked back to nearly every single game I've played in the last year, meaning it's not a justifiable scumtell AT ALL.

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It's pretty easily verifiable.

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Amrun is playing to her town meta this game, sorry to disappoint Panzer.

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@Vi: Yea we know he's scum he's just laughing at us that he isn't dead yet...

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It's pretty easily verifiable.

The point is, it doesn't matter. Even if someone's meta is that they always lurk, you should still attack them for lurking, to pressure them into being more active.

You could not be more wrong. The objective of this game is to find scum, not to correct people's bad mafia habits. Pressure them to contribute,

yes

, call them scum for something that obviously isn't a scumtell,

no

. HUGE difference.

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When did I say that?

I'm just arguing with Yos2 because he's being stupid. We're not talking about my roflcopter vote at all. Him being scum is just a coincidence.

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I'm also trying to figure out why Yos2 insists on dragging this day out and causing the same apathy in Aia that he accuses me of having caused here yesterday. The longer this day drags on, the worse things get in that other thread (by Yos2's standards), and yet he doesn't seem at all concerned about it. Nothing productive is happening in either thread, and we already have roflcopter-scum dead to rights. There really isn't anything left to talk about at this point except for people trying to run interference for their scumbuddy.

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When did I say that?

I'm just arguing with Yos2 because he's being stupid. We're not talking about my roflcopter vote at all. Him being scum is just a coincidence.

Um, yes, we were. If that wasn't your reason for voting rofl, then you have no reason.

Also, you are being really absurd here; anyone who actually tries to use the "it's ok, I always lurk" defense should be lynched on general principles.

Nope.

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Dat hammer?

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I'm already proven town via the flips of scum from both teams so far, so there really isn't any point in trying to push my mislynch. It's not going to happen no matter how much you scream that being unhelpful makes someone scum, which is a FUCKING RETARDED SUGGESTION. Scum have a much higher incentive to want to "appear" helpful to the town. It's completely illogical to conclude that the more obviously unhelpful a person is, the more likely that they are scum.

That said, only roflcopter is scum out of the two people voting me. Yos2 just doesn't get it

at all

.

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Why would I waffle after he was already dead if I knew he was going to come up scum?

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Also, do you disagree with my assessment that redFF's claim was lackluster?

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Sooooo, let me get this straight.

You think it would have made me look like scum if I defended redFF instead of acting the way I did (which implies that my actual reaction was not inconsistent with a town reaction). You also agree with my assessment that his claim was lackluster. This has then led you to conclude that I might be scum?

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unvote, vote: tammy

LoLscum.

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So, guess what. I roleblocked LastSurvivor last night TROLOLOLOLOL

Vote: LastSurvivor

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Oh there were two kills in the other thread. Whatever.

Unvote

I need to stop posting claims while distracted.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Did you seriously just ask me what I did on Night 1?

I blocked Yos2 night 2, hence treating him as town yesterday despite him being dumb.

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P-EDIT: No, we absolutely should not assume that LS is town. However, he's no more or less scummy than he was before the actions; MoS' action doesn't seem to have affected NKs in any way.

The existence of crosskills (2 in one thread with no moves into that thread to make the kill) actually makes me wonder if I stopped Yos2 from killing N2, since there was only one death. Thoughts?

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Ok, MoS is town. His switch makes a lot of sense, but I still want him to answer why he switched threads.
Also, support the massclaim in Aia. Should be done post-haste. Also, waiting for LS to come in here and claim himself.
As for the kills: No idea

(Side note: Lol, Amrun calling anyone useless in this game)

I obviously switched threads because I wanted scum to think I didn't have a useful ability and thus had no other action worth taking at night.

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@DCLXVI:

1) Why would I assume that the guy whose wagon was countered by Tammy's lynch was also scum with her? I'm not convinced he's not scum, but that threw a wrench in my thoughts.

2) I thought the way LS tried to prevent me from being cleared was really sketchy and seemed like scum wanting to prevent PoE scumhunting (and wanting to maintain me as a possible mislynch down the road).

3) In retrospect, I was really unsettled by the way LS jumped on the roflcopter wagon and put him at L-1 so casually.

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Did you seriously just ask me what I did on Night 1?

I blocked Yos2 night 2, hence treating him as town yesterday despite him being dumb.

if by "being dumb" you mean "lynching scum despite your best efforts"

Look at Yos2 trying to claim townie points lololololol. It's almost like he doesn't realize I just caught our scum today.

Also, quadz' explanation for the 2 kills in Aia makes way more sense than cross-killing scum. That makes LS a dirty scumbag. However, having caught this scum now, I think we should all be taking a hard look at Aia to help them figure out their scum.

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Tierce, I could probably explain that by saying the Vasta-scum method of killing (whatever it is by flavor) doesn't "work" once they go through the portal, so they emulate their Aia cousins.

Not likely, but it could be explain in a similar fashion as far as flavor is concerned.

P-Edit: I'm already voting?

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Are you guys factoring in Healers (assuming someone mimiced TF)?

Classic scum defense.

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Here's another excellent reason to vote Lastsurvivor.

Why do you think I roleblocked him? lol...

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Oh he claimed roleblocker. any one else think he is a scum roleblocker?

Pretty unlikely. Assuming lastsurvivor flips scum, I can't really see how he could be. At the very least, if lastsurvivor flips bluescum, MOS is confirmed not-bluescum, I think.

I've already been confirmed not-anyscum via D1 lynches of both teams and how we interacted, so it doesn't really matter.

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Tierce and MoS both need to explain in their first post why they switched threads.

lol.

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Vote: LastSurvivor

This lynch is mine.

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Too good.

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^5

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So this thread has degenerated into the typical "let's say nothing useful in twilight". How unexpected!

Aia:

There are a lot of assumptions being made:

1) That the scum started divided by colors;
2) That the scum can only kill in their own thread;
3) possibly more but I'm bad at Englishing today.

I'm just paranoid at this Slaughter All Those In Aia plan. I guess we'll have some answers once we know Lastsurvivor's flip, but (etc.).

They aren't bad assumptions, though. Occam's Razor is being applied in this case, and with good reason IMO based on what we know. Everything that has happened in the game so far RE: nightkills can be explained without scum cross-killing or starting with a different distribution. I think it's fair to assume that the mods found it aesthetically pleasing to start with two 3-10 splits as if they were each their own mini game, and the rules of the portaling mechanics make it likely that scum can only kill inside their own thread.

This may not be what the mods would do if they could go back and do it again, but I'm willing to bet that's how it is given what we've seen so far.

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Also, I'm pretty sure that LastSurvivor's complete absence from the thread right now confirms him as scum if it wasn't obvious already, so that means we had 3 blue scum start in Vasta. I don't see why the same wouldn't be true for the other team.