Best Athletes Mafia (Abandoned)

[Nachomamma8]

I am here, will catch up tonight.

[Nachomamma8]

tonight is tomorrow and tomorrow is today.
before i read though, gonna spice things up just a tiny little bit. one of my athletes is Michael Phelps, the permanent godfather. I doubt that CMAR made multiple godfathers, so all cops in the game can assume that the innocent results that they get are most likely good. a framer or miller or tailor may exist, but the chance of a tailor creating a false innocent is pretty much nothing, so.

[Nachomamma8]

I will not claim. Athletes and abilities are independent of alignment, so a roleclaim wouldn't do any good.

'cept that if you are scum with all vanilla abilities and claim cop to save yourself, you're opening yourself up to a counterclaim.
And when you AREN'T counterclaimed, we feel a lot better about you and we don't mislynch a townie and scum nightkill you instead of us lynching the fuck out of you.
so claim in your next post or I will hammer, please and thank you.

[Nachomamma8]

BS2000 is town as fuck and should never be lynched, by the by.
i'm also willing to sell my vote out to players until I get off my lazy ass and read the game, but that's only if Steph claims and doesn't get counterclaimed.

for now,

Vote: Dry-fit

because it's always a good vote.

[Nachomamma8]

That's reasonable enough.

[Nachomamma8]

No, but it's not exactly well-reasoned.

[Nachomamma8]

The people have spoken, Steph.
You have until 5:30 EST my time to claim, or down the hammer comes.

[Nachomamma8]

actually, we'll call it 6:30 EST. you check in to the thread late sometimes.

[Nachomamma8]

In any case Kmd is right that we should start thinking about the deadline now. Of the players with two or more votes, Steph is the one I'd like to see lynched most.

You said this 8 days ago.

[Nachomamma8]

That's a shame. I'm sure we won't have trouble getting people together for the lynch, though.

[Nachomamma8]

Kmd, I think you might be a bit confused about vengeful cop. Vengeful cop is when you get an investigation after you are lynched, via BBMolla's Space Mafia.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm excited to see who dry-fit will vote now.

[Nachomamma8]

Is the case on everyone "pretty much useless, no scumhunting"?

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Locke Lamora

[Nachomamma8]

Bub, did you say that just because you are voting him, or did you have an actual reason for that one?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Dry-Fit

I really hate when I'm right even when I'm half-assing things.
But, I sort of like it too. Trevor, do you to join this wagon now or after Labor Day when I have time to post more things?

[Nachomamma8]

So, of all Dry-Fit's posts, he's been pretty stubborn on tunneling on Steph, but not really for any reasoning. He feels strongly enough about the vote where he switches immediately back to steph after what's essentially a reaction vote on BS, then moves immediately back. It's scummy because he sits on what is essentially a safe vote for forever and a half without really doing much about anything else. His reaction to the DrRoy wagon was essentially "Mehhh, I'd vote for it if it was a free lynch for me and no one would look twice at it, but otherwise, no." He also doesn't take a whole lot of responsibility for his votes despite how strongly he feels about them (notice how he revotes Steph and qualifies a small pool of people, or how he votes locke and talks about kmd pretty much just getting his way).

then there's the sora vote, which is just terrible and doesn't really need an explanation, but if the above doesn't convince you, that much should.

confirm that dryfit vote bitches

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Nero Cain

This looks like a guy taking an easy way out. He doesn't even need to say anything for me to pick up on what he's thinking. "Let's go for the guy who hammered. Never mind what was about to happen."

Could you at least acknowledge my case?

[Nachomamma8]

Cheery, who do you think everyone should be voting?
Also, starting out with a bunch of vanity wagons is not usually a good idea.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Nero Cain

Nero Cain seems like a good second vote to me if Dry-Fit isn't going to be paid any mind. PG's point is good in that I think it's scummy as fuck to suspect sora for hypocrisy based on something that sora's predecessor is doing. Steph is still a tomorrow lynch and not a today lynch, though.

[Nachomamma8]

Yes, and it seems I'm thinking about it on a deeper level than you are. Regardless of Steph's alignment, there's a decent chance that he isn't lying about the powers he received, correct? No use in claiming PRs if you're just going to get counterclaimed, right? So, if he did have a vengeful cop power for the Pete Rose ability, I'm guessing that it's compulsive, meaning that even if steph is scum, he would still have to use his power and reveal someone to be town. Therefore, if Steph is scum and fakeclaiming about getting his power removed, it's still better that we lynch him tomorrow and not today. If he ISN'T fakeclaiming about getting the power removed, then he's probably town and it's beneficial to let him live through today at least so he has a chance to use his doc power.

[Nachomamma8]

Yes, and it seems I'm thinking about it on a deeper level than you are. Regardless of Steph's alignment, there's a decent chance that he isn't lying about the powers he received, correct? No use in claiming PRs if you're just going to get counterclaimed, right? So, if he did have a vengeful cop power for the Pete Rose ability, I'm guessing that it's compulsive, meaning that even if steph is scum, he would still have to use his power and reveal someone to be town. Therefore, if Steph is scum and fakeclaiming about getting his power removed, it's still better that we lynch him tomorrow and not today. If he ISN'T fakeclaiming about getting the power removed, then he's probably town and it's beneficial to let him live through today at least so he has a chance to use his doc power.

[Nachomamma8]

We will be lynching whomever has the vengeful cop on day 3.

How exactly do you know that someone else has the vengeful cop now?

I see very little reason for scum to steal his role when they just could have nightkilled him.

Scum nightkill steph? Are you shitting me? Who would nightkill someone they are going to get mislynched anywyas?

He could very well have those roles and no one would CC. +its not like scum can't have PR's.

...which is exactly my point. he's probably not lying about his powers.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't but how exactly would he loose a role?

By being vanillaized?

And how do you know he's a mislynch?

The point was that, he can only die once so its basicly a one shot role. If scum were scarred that he might cop one of them I don't think they'd waste a vote stealing oppurtunity by grabbing a one shot role.

I'm assuming if scum are considering nightkilling someone, then they are probably a mislynch. Forgive me if I'm assuming too much.

As for the second part, surely you've heard of the "a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush"... right?

[Nachomamma8]

You wouldn't know if scum were considering Steph for a nightkill...

Keep in mind that that was still an extension of my response to your statement of "I don't see why scum would remove Steph's powers when they could just nightkill him..."

[Nachomamma8]

And I still think that even if it is a scum backtrack, we have more to gain from lynching him Day 3. Why do you think we need to lynch him now?

[Nachomamma8]

This is a pretty wild theory to come from a town-aligned player who doesn't know scum's roles.

Explain this.
If Steph claims that scum removed the power from an athlete, why is it more wild to assume that the athlete was VANILLAIZED as opposed to STOLEN?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, because benmage had a one shot ability to steal a role? And there is no evidence of a vanillaizer (which I've never seen in a game before).

oh god damn it, I missed this.
well then I'm assuming Steph is lying about getting his role stolen and still has the vengecop, which means he should be quicklynched tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

vote:Steph

aand I sort of really like this Nero lynch now.
Nero's been pushing for Steph to be lynched today instead of tomorrow, but made this vote like Steph claiming his role had been stolen was cause for an instant lynch.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho knew his role wasn't stolen hence why he game up with the vanillaizer thing.

If I knew his role wasn't stolen, then why would I still want to lynch him tomorrow?

Dead scum is dead scum, personally I think he's (steph) probably scum so waiting to lynch scum is pants on head retarded.

Why is it not worth it to wait a day and get a confirmed town or scum from the deal?

Lets say he's scum and is lying about being a venge cop. Why would you want to live another day.

Why would he lie about being a venge cop?
If he is, it's not a big deal if he lives until tomorrow. He still dies.

Also its cute how you went backwards and found a steph vote when if you were actually paying attention/not scum you'd know that I want a Sora lynch.

I thought you were scum, so I looked at all of your votes as opposed to just the current one...?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: soras

Bunch of iioa reads, reaction to the nero case was bad.

this is also pretty terrible.
don't do this, trevor.

[Nachomamma8]

Bud what would you like to hear/see from me to asuage your read on me?

Scum caught.

I could easily swing that way, but I'd like to hear what you think about Nero first.

[Nachomamma8]

Simply put, he shouldn't be alive with two athletes. So he's either town trying some stupid ass gambit or he's liar scum.

Exactly what have I said that could

possibly

be interpreted as me claiming "alive with two athletes"?

I misread it and thought you said you lost Rose but I looked back and you said that only lost his ability. So Rose in just vanilla now right? Nice of you to not comment on anything else.

obviously steph is scum so stop trying to distance

KMD PLEASE DO MORE THAN WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW
WHY IS SORA SCUM?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, its mostly sora's heavy focus on defending trollies play and telling us that his play can't possibly look scum moticated rather than finding scum and then the reaction to that point being made.

So you don't think his vote on Nero is genuine, in other words?

[Nachomamma8]

I meant Bub, sorry.

Do you have a magic cloak or something that makes people overlook when you're not being town and if so can I borrow it the next time I draw a scum PM?

You've made your point about IS. What do you think of everyone else and the other stuff that's been discussed today?

it hurts me that I'm not voting you anymore

[Nachomamma8]

nero i fucking hate you
you knew that steph was lying and you knew he still had the vengecop
goddamnit

[Nachomamma8]

I wasn't saying you wanted his lynch, I was referring to your push on him earlier on in the day.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Seanald

[Nachomamma8]

nero i fucking hate you
you knew that steph was lying and you knew he still had the vengecop
goddamnit

no. We don't know if he had a venge cop to begin with and if he did he could be telling the truth about having lost it and but I knew it wasn't stolen so yeah.

we are guessing he had the venge cop to begin with because it makes no sense to claim a PR you don't have when you have three legitimate roles already.
it also is pretty unlikely that there are two roles in this game that can take away other people's abilities.

[Nachomamma8]

but what if he's scum and had no good roles to claim?

so he claims vengeful cop?
no.

[Nachomamma8]

He still has doctor, which is a perfectly good role to try and stop a lynch, so why would he need to place another role?

If there's two neighbourhoods, what is to say there isn't multiple role stealing roles?

neighborhood is a bit different than rolestealing.

[Nachomamma8]

Basically, I want to see a Steph flip first.

That's nice. I thought you just caught scum in Seanald?

I'm resigned to be lynched tomorrow, even though I REALLY DID lose my vengeful cop powers, so at least go for someone you're sure is scum now.

HARD MISREP DETECTED

I think Seanald is scum and you are scum. I want to lynch you on D-3 to get your cop result and lynch Seanald today because he's scum. You're still scum.

Note that if I were scum and if I still had my vengeful cop ability (neither of which is true), I would either not use my vengeful cop ability upon my lynch, or if I had to do so, I'd use it on the player who scum was going to kill. You can't have it both ways.

That's good to know, I didn't think of that before. A night 3 jailkeep on that player would be a really fucking good idea then, huh?
I do find it interesting that Steph is taking interest in Bub's Seanald suspicion though, and I'm sort of glad that I have my vote on him.

[Nachomamma8]

Not getting on the Sora wagon. Seanald wagon is way cooler, why not join it?

Seanald wagon is good, about the same as sora. Why are you so opposed to joining the wagon with deadline so close if you're only "not convinced" by it?

you fucking scumbag.

sora, claim.

[Nachomamma8]

fuckin shit, i really dont want to be replaced, but Im struggling to keep up with this game, and i get pretty demotivated honestly after every post i make i just get voted on and called scum, kind of becomes off putting, but Ill just have to try harder.
I'm here, however I know ive been prodded multiple times here so if it isnt worth it to you Mod and you have replacements ready I wont be offended if you just kick me off. But Just saying I think your game mechanic is freakin awesome and it is a very good theme. Ill keep trying to be more active here though.

do you see why you're being called scum for your postings?

[Nachomamma8]

Did you not notice Nero already claimed that?

[Nachomamma8]

If you didn't, why didn't you question Nero not revealing Larry Bird's role when he originally claimed?

[Nachomamma8]

If you did, then what the fuck did you just make me read?

[Nachomamma8]

then why didn't you question Nero not claiming Larry's role when he originally claimed?

[Nachomamma8]

and you didn't wonder at all why the wagon on Nero was disappearing? You didn't notice people talking about his claim at all?

get out

Unvote, Vote: sora

[Nachomamma8]

The incompetence in this game is hilarious.

fwskjgbskhfkfhb
you say this after you MISSED YOUR TOP SUSPECT'S CLAIM WHILE PEOPLE WERE TALKING PLENTY ABOUT IT

[Nachomamma8]

What was the point in that hammer again?

From Nero's claim v

Bird is a vt and Rice is a permanent neighbor.

What do you mean, exactly?

[Nachomamma8]

Nero did claim Larry's role when he claimed, and you were saying he hadn't.

No I was not.

[Nachomamma8]

If you didn't, why didn't you question Nero not revealing Larry Bird's role when he originally claimed?

then why didn't you question Nero not claiming Larry's role when he originally claimed?

That looks like you did say Nero hadn't claimed the role to me

because if he didn't notice Nero claiming Larry's role, he would have assumed Nero didn't claim it.
which, if he didn't follow up on it at all, would be pretty strange, considering it is his top suspect's claim post.

[Nachomamma8]

Can I get a votecount, por favor?

[Nachomamma8]

sora is a pretty good lynch in my humble opinion

[Nachomamma8]

remember steph gets the quick lynch tomorrow. protective roles on the confirmed town it will probably give us.

[Nachomamma8]

bub, I took Sora's last post as a confession...

[Nachomamma8]

fuck.
guess i can smoke weed full time now

-Hell yeah.