Name of the Wind, Conclusion

[Amrun]

I exist. Head hurts, probably not catching up tonight.

[Amrun]

Maybe I'm stalking you.

(actually mos is just my bro)

[Amrun]

wait what

paschendale was my only real suspect D:

I'm still not done reading, sorry - working on it, I swear. I meant to finish it overnight, but then I forgot.

[Amrun]

i don't think mattp is scum wheeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Amrun]

blegh

VOTE: mattp

[Amrun]

It's fairly standard to open up a day with strong results, especially not explicitly, Nexus.

I HAD a town read on matt... but we'll see.

[Amrun]

I can definitely confirm the Always On thing re: Matt. A little lost here, though.

[Amrun]

Kinetic, if you are so staunchly lynch all liars, then did you ever vote ABR for claiming you and he are masons? I haven't finished Day 1, but at the point I'm at, he claimed it to open the day, and you oh-so-conspicuously did not agree but also did not vote ABR.

So the options are a) you are telling the truth and just playing really strangely.

b) You are being inconsistent.

ABR's claim + your play reeked of gambit to me, so I doubt #1.

Do you think scooby is scum? Your arguments seem to come from a position of inherently assuming scooby is town, so I'm a little confused on this one.


VOTE: DeathNote

1) Making a really bad case on me that ignores the fact that I'm unsure because I haven't read and there were ambiguous claims floating around that led me to vote contrary to my read, which I already said explicitly.
2) Not voting following that case
3) Voting later, but "forgetting why"
4) Not making significant comment on the MattP mess

It's really quite bad; at this time, I am a very easy target because I haven't caught up properly and so am not engaging in the game properly. I am literally the easiest lynch at this point. So an internally inconsistent, poorly founded, and yet wishy-washy attack on me absolutely is a scumtell at this stage. The wishy-washy is probably the worst part.

I will catch up fully by tomorrow; I have some work to finish tonight. Also a reminder to mod and all that I am v/la each and every weekend.

[Amrun]

It has come, scooby.

The day you and I agree.

Do you feel funny?

[Amrun]

And to add to it, Amrun and DCL are defending him before he even responds. Let me explain something very simple. When someone is applying pressure when someone else makes an obvious scumslip you do one of two things. You help apply pressure or you get the fuck out of the way. You do NOT tell the person how to react, and you do NOT defend the person.

How is an obvious gambit an obvious scumslip?

How is pointing out inconsistencies in your own play defending scooby?

That being said, I do think scooby is town - but if I thought you were pointing out an "obvious scumslip," this entire point would be moot. So is that answer to my question saying that you do think scooby is scum?

[Amrun]

You're missing the point. I am not stopping scooby from reacting to your posts. I do not know your alignment and you're not making any sense. Explaining things does not mean your explanations make sense, and so far, your explanations are paltry.

Let's put it this way:

Player Y casts aspersions on Player X
Player Z thinks the basis of Player Y's attacks are not valid, questions Player Y's alignment

You are proposing that Player Z says absolutely nothing about the situation for no discernible reason.

[Amrun]

Z questioning Y's motives in NO WAY stops X from reacting to Y. You are seriously saying that no one can question anyone else's attacks. It's just silly. It's hogwash. I don't know you are town and I won't treat you as if I do.

[Amrun]

In some cases, yes. In THIS case? No. It's extremely straight forward.

[Amrun]

Z questioning Y's motives in NO WAY stops X from reacting to Y. You are seriously saying that no one can question anyone else's attacks. It's just silly. It's hogwash. I don't know you are town and I won't treat you as if I do.

And here is where we differ. You aren't questioning my motives, you're questioning the pressure in and of itself. You're going so far as to derail the pressure on scooby and redirect it onto me. How dare I question the person who fake claimed results.

Do you see how absurd that sounds?

Do you actually not know how to read? I am most certainly questioning your motivations and by NO MEANS am i saying 'how dare you.' That is such an absurd misrepresentation that i don't even know how to process it.

My questions to you had NO bearing on scooby's alignment. I happen to think scooby is townish, but it's coincidental.

my fucking shift key is fucking breaking this is great

but i have no clue how you can read my posts and come to the above conclusion

like you honestly have to be on crack

[Amrun]

Wrong. You asked scooby NO questions. You did nothing but take the lamest possible LaL position. I'm not going to go, 'Wait, maybe kinetic is only posting the dumbest thing in the world because he is town reaction testing scooby!' I assumed you were smart enough to know that that was stupid and never going to garner any reliably usable reaction from scooby.

But that doesn't even matter, because no matter what questions I asked you, scooby still had to respond to your case, which he did. I did nothing to derail any pressure besides "question someone who has voted for someone else." If one cannot question someone who has voted someone else, there is no game and we are not playing it; we're just sticking our thumbs up our asses. I didn't DECIDE your motives were impure. I wanted to SEE if they were impure. Sitting around on my ass was not going to accomplish that.

I would understand your position a little more if you had asked scooby some questions. You did not. If you think the standard practice of the game is 'Player X posts case on Player Y. no one else posts until player y posts 'sacre bleu!'' then your meta is sadly outdated.

[Amrun]

I forgot to ask: what, then, did you learn from scooby's response?

[Amrun]

No, I'm not. Why do you think what you're doing makes you look scummy?

[Amrun]

Why do you think what you're doing makes you look scummy?

Do you seriously think THIS is what I think.

No, of course you don't. This is simply the perfect example of you twisting my words to try to make it look like what I'm doing (pressuring a player that faked results of a claim) as scummy.

How is there a town motive to that?

The problem with your arguments is not that you are gathering evidence and drawing a conclusion, you've already drawn your conclusion, and now are cherry picking evidence to suit your conclusion.

But you see, I'm not cherry picking at all. that's what you're doing. of course i don't think that you are trying to look scummy. But your reaction is an absolutely perfect example of you being scummy on accident.

pressuring a player you think is scummy is great. pressuring a player because he made a perceived play 'bad move' without thinking he is scum is not. The former is townish, and the latter is scummy while trying to appear townish, which is the most scummy of all.

I made a very open-ended statement about your obvious inconsistencies. your immediate answer was to omgus and dive off the deep end with feelings of persecution.

my initial thought was actually that you are town because you were making such an obvious overture with scooby. i didn't think scum would make such an obviously bad attack on purpose. too risky.

but i wanted to see what you said.

and i got an answer i didn't expect. you're scared. you assume people suspect you. you have extremely heightened paranoia about self perception.

that's scummy, bro

[Amrun]

you fosed me. why are you playing the semantics game?

i asked you a QUESTION. what have you done to determine if scooby is scum? what did you determine from his reaction to your case?

people agreeing with you doesn't make it a good attack. fyi.

[Amrun]

sorry for the stupid caps. my shift key is going. ;(

[Amrun]

scooby already posted a reaction. why are you ignoring it?

but if you are still waiting for something, then i'm okay with waiting for an answer. but i do want an answer, eventually.

p-edit; what? so voting and saying something is an 'obvious scumslip' STILL doesn't mean you think scooby is scum/ fencesit mcfencesitter

[Amrun]

this is why i have an issue with things. you say things like 'you must not play this way' but preface it with 'you are scum'. that appeals to my logic, my goodwill, saying, 'we are just thinking differently.' that does NOT jive with thinking i am scum.

you have no real conviction. if scooby made an 'obvious' scumslip, you'd never be voting me for what amounts to a theory disagreement.

[Amrun]

i understand what you're saying, but completely disagree with you about what constitutes derailing pressure.

[Amrun]

no, sorry. don't think he's scum.

[Amrun]

lol

That's fucking ridiculous. ABR's posts made me think panzer was soft claiming a result on mattp.

I realize now they claimed neighbors before but i didn't know that at the time.

[Amrun]

lol

That's fucking ridiculous. ABR's posts made me think panzer was soft claiming a result on mattp.

I realize now they claimed neighbors before but i didn't know that at the time.

I placed an early vote for pressure, but I would never be part of a lynch of MattP without Panzer claiming his information. Your vote was late enough that it was pushing for a lynch, the lack of comment a demonstration of your intent, and it came before any explanation from panzer; like you didn't care.

You clearly don't understand how I play at all.

When voting due to an ambiguous soft claim / possible soft claim, clarifying is the exact opposite of what anyone should be doing.

How you get from 'voting before panzer explains' to 'I don't care' is absolutely beyond me.


ALSO

DeathNote is so super wrong I don't even want to get into it with him, but he's also town.

Thanks for being easy to read, dn. gg.

VOTE: wrathchild

[Amrun]

k

have fun with that

[Amrun]

if i told you it would take all the fun out of it

[Amrun]

lol

[Amrun]

oh, your opinion of what behavior is acceptable for me! i care so much.

[Amrun]

to be clear, nexus.

your question is valid, of course. there's nothing wrong with it. i'll answer it eventually.

p-edit: don't be anti-town because you're annoyed. come on now.

[Amrun]

how is it not EXCEEDINGLY FUCKING OBVIOUS that i chose not to answer it for a reason? didn't you stop to think why i didn't include a reason when i posted it? wouldn't you think, hey, that sticks out? i wonder if amrun is stupid enough to think it will go unnoticed? (clearly your answer to that is yes, but it shouldn't have been) and then your first thought is, she chose not to answer an obvious and normal question - WELP MUST BE SCUM. it's not a very elementary line of thought. you're not looking for motivation - at all. zero. none.

i don't have enough experience with you to know whether this is normal.

[Amrun]

*it IS an elementary line of thought

[Amrun]

good job, idiots. sometimes i deserve it, but i do not deserve this one.

no one has even stopped to think about anything.

i'm a doctor, though there's some weird other flavor name for it that i forget. i protected mattp last night.

[Amrun]

oh, i thought i was at l-1 because people were talking about hammers. whatever. now i can't be hammered without a claim, although that would kind of be poetic justice.

[Amrun]

are you honestly retarded

[Amrun]

who cares about the stupid flavor claim? i didn't want to take the time to find the pm when it looked like abr was threatening to hammer me without a claim.

but i just checked. i am devi, moneylender.

also i ended up protecting camn last night instead of mattp. i changed my mind at the last minute. my bad.

[Amrun]

from the limited amount i had read, plus the number of isos i did last minute when i realized holy crap i was about to run out of time for my action, she seemed the towniest to me. i thought mattp seeemed pretty towny too (more towny, actually) but then through my isos i realized he had been under significant pressure which made him unlikely to be targeted for the kill n1. camn dies a lot night 1, and i love her and want to play with her and she seemed like a good bet. so, in other words, both targets were considered for their likeliness to die n1 if town.

today, i have been pretty disappointed by camn's activity/insights.

p-edit: i've never heard of not claiming doctor if you are one. but i do know the idea is to not have to claim and to not get night killed. i've been trying to toe the line between looking town and laying low. i've never been good at doctor. i either get lynched early or nightkilled n1. bleh.

[Amrun]

remember that mattp and dn are town. they are TOWNTOWNTOWN. doubting me will only lead to sadness when it comes to these two. they are town. remember that.

[Amrun]

don't be dumb, abr. if i'm lying, it will be outted before endgame. even if scum decide to try and bait town into lynching me by not killing me, their kill choices will have to change. it's not fakeable into endgame.

[Amrun]

are you not paying attention? i said i'm a MONEYLENDER. the flavor justification has nothing to do with being a doctor. it's loaning out money to protect them. but effectively, it is a doctor. i asked when i replaced in just to make sure and mod said yes.

[Amrun]

you are stupid

[Amrun]

i apologize for the insults. i am just frustrated.

criticizing me for the mod's flavor is just idiotic, though. either it's a fakeclaim or it's a real claim. either way, it's not up to me. so use your brains.

kinetic, what makes it cool for you to vote for me while i'm trying to get something out of wrathchild but not for me to talk to you while you're trying to get something out of scooby? or for nexus to do it?

to be clear, i think it's fine in all cases, but you are, once again, not being consistent.

p-edit: my pm did say something about expulsion. either way, talking about my flavor is honestly stupid. literally, stupid. and i'm not caught scum and saying so is RIDICULOUS. you're arguing in the same breath that if i'm town i'm now useless and that i'm caught scum. it doesn't make sense.

obviously my efficacy is lessened. i still would do better eating a night kill than giving scum a free one.

[Amrun]

i just read it. i don't know what else you want.

[Amrun]

i just read it. i don't know what else you want.

wtf is this below:

my pm did say something about expulsion.

sorry, i thought it was clear from context. it says that my loan prevents expulsion.

kinetic, just stop.. you are so wrong. you are doing nothing bout spouting theory that doesn't translate to reality. a) i would have normally looked up my role pm first and claimed it all together, but ABR WAS THREATENING TO HAMMER ME WITHOUT A CLAIM. so i did not have the time to do this, or thought i didn't. i didn't think the flavor was all that important. b) your argument is that i'm 'making up' my flavor, which is fucking ridiculous. even if i was scum fakelcaiming, i would most certainly have mod provided flavor. you are being completely nonsensical.

[Amrun]

do i care? no i do not.

[Amrun]

i very obviously didn't read the last page as i didn't realize i wasn't at l-1. i realized after i claimed.

i'm not trying to convince you specifically. i'm using your idiotic arguments to show everyone else why it doesn't make sense.

i didn't expect the claim to 'save' me. i wanted everyone to know before i died, though. if it comes out later that x targeted camn for a vig shot or something on n1 and camn didn't die, i didn't want her taking heat for that.

i really, really hate this game and i will enjoy flipping town.

[Amrun]

the argument that a doctor is useless after claiming is mostly true, but it doesn't count as a point towards lynch. it's just a reason the claim shouldn't paricularly deter a lynch. the flavor argument IS pretty universally idiotic in modern meta. fact.

[Amrun]

anyway, about wrathchild. i liked him at first because he voted paschendale, whom i suspected. now, of course, paschendale has flipped town so this nulls out.

Then, he puts medhi at l-1, just sheeping and riding the wagon, but not admitting it. he says medhi and paschendale are "likely scumbuddies," which means nothing until paschendale flips scum, but uses this as justification instead of just saying he's sheeping even though it's obvious that he is. then, the next day, he gets called out for not contributing and responds scummily, then denounces wagons full of 'sheeping.' He then votes DN, an easy vote, but unvotes at the first sign of resistance.

after i decided dn was town, his attack on dn was just another in a pattern.

and his vote for me is for a "pr breadcrumb," which i'm not aware of making, but shows that's he looking for them.

Those are things that count against him. These are things for his town case:

-sees a "scooby/mattp chain lynch' happening and intentionally tries to distract from it.
-something about the progression of his posts on oct 3 could go with town really re-reading, but it's not a sure fire thing.
-he is ALSO an easy lynch and likely to attract votes no matter what.

i was hoping to inflate his wagon and get reactions, just like i did with deathnote. but it was too obvious if i listed out reasons like i did with death note, which was obviously, now, reaction fishing. i have confidence in my ability to read dn, but i've only played one other game with wc, so not as much with him. i was hoping i could goad him into going after me, another easy target within the context of the game. that would have been scummy. nexus took away the option for me to see this bear fruit.

i am not 100% sold on wrath child as scum, but at this point, he's my best scum suspect. i still haven't finished reading, and that's the main culprit of lack of suspects. i apolgoize for that.

i think mattp, deathnote, nexus, scooby, and camn are town. kinetic keeps annoying me and i get flashes of suspicion, but he's probably town too. i lean slight town on abr and panzer. lean slight scum on leiskrye. i'm basically null on everyone else at this point.


p-edit: kinetic, saying that i'm more useful dead is just DUMB. i'm more useful as someone to eat a scum bullet, not to waste a lynch. it makes no sense.

also, no, your flavor thing STILL makes no sense. i would have the same flavor as town or scum. in fact, i would never have claimed in such a way as scum, but that's self-meta and i don't expect you to listen to that.

[Amrun]

Kinetic, you're totally ignoring the extremely obvious fact that scum will night kill me because they are scared of doctors. if they don't, before lylo, i will vote for myself.

lynching a doctor claim just because scum now know who the doctor is is STUPID. STUPID BEYOND STUPID. now, if you believe i'm scum, that's different.

[Amrun]

[Amrun]

it doesn't actually have any holes. i didn't write the flavor and no one should hang on it in any case.

[Amrun]

she claimed the scummiest possible claim, with the hopes of surviving the day,

do you not see the problem with this logic

lol

[Amrun]

yeah that's not it

try again

[Amrun]

I haven't fully caught up, am v/la this weekend as usual, but I see that nexus has claimed something that confirms me or something and i am to protect him. that's fine. I'll fully catch up after the weekend.

[Amrun]

stop being retarded

i haven't read what he's claimed

i don't know

i saw something about it confirming me

i don't even know if it's true

shut up now thanks

[Amrun]

I'm sorry. I'm going to be spotty in the upcoming week(s). My cousin's body was just found encased in concrete and he was probably murdered and it's a mess. I'm going to try to let it not affect my games very much, but you all should know that I'm distracted.

[Amrun]

Once again, arguing that my flavor makes sense is idiotic.

I wonder if I am a cult doctor? I don't think so, though, on second thought. The expulsion talk sounds too much like death.

[Amrun]

Eat it.

VOTE: AV

I DON'T have a strong conviction he is scum, but he is making excuses instead of content and that is unlike him. (Pot, meet kettle.) Obvious self preservation.

I really am trying to muster up the wherewithal to care that I am being lynched right now, but I can't. My play hasn't been stellar, but that's not even why I'm being lynched. It's for stupid flavor reasons that I don't care about and don't have control over. So k bye.

[Amrun]

That was me... and there was no 'defense'.

It's an observation... one that could go either way.
A thinking player would wonder "why doesn't Amrun's flavor match?"
Amrun is not dumb. If she's gonna fake a claim... its gonna make sense.. one way or another. So maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe she saw that bit of flavor and tried to adopt it? Maybe she is some sort of modified doc that protects against certain things that, flavor-wise, entail 'leaving the university'. Or maybe she is am evil moneylender and just desperately tried to cram "doctor" onto it as a last-dotch scumplay.

Its called thinking about things.

Also...now that you post it, grey... look at the heading of your quote: "expelled". Maybe that's where she got it?

Seriously? You just said it yourself. I'm not dumb. I wouldn't make a claim that stuck out so much if it wasn't my actual claim. If that were my fakeclaim, I wouldn't even have made THAT. I would have come up with a different one on my own.

It is OBVIOUSLY just a flavor justification for needing a doctor in the game. There's nothing wrong with it, except that it stands out.

I regret claiming doctor, I guess, but in my mind the alternative was lying to claim vanilla, and that seemed even less smart.

Up until the claim, no, the votes on me were not justified. They were either very stupid, very scummy, or lazy, passive votes because I wasn't posting much until recently (trying to lay low, being a doctor). And if you'll recall, I accidentally claimed before I was at L-1, so I wasn't even run up first. Almost every vote is talking about the flavor and/or the claim. Some claim that I'm scummy otherwise but haven't actually talked about why at all or if they have it's so stupid it makes my brain hurt. (The exception to this, is, I think, Nexus. I've understood where he's coming from pretty clearly. He's probably town.) Since then, I understand some of the votes because I have mentally checked out of the game due to its exceeding stupidity but mostly because of real life.

The only defense here is a good scum case on someone else, and unfortunately, I just don't have that. I shared my entire thoughts on the game. Nothing has really changed. Since then, Leiskrye has continued to seem scummy to me. That's about it. I am not really used to lacking scum suspects; that's rare, for me.

Still, I am pretty confident that DeathNote and MattP are town. My Nexus townread has bumped up as well. The rest of my reads, as stated before, I'm also fairly confident in, but not to the level of the ones preceding.

[Amrun]

Well, they've charged a pair of twins that used to be my cousin's friends. It looks like it's them, but I guess they'll have to wait for the trial to see for sure.

[Amrun]

Yeah it's been all over national news... Not hard to find.

[Amrun]

How do you know I am town?

[Amrun]

UNVOTE

I need to fall back and rethink some shiz here.
There is no proof that there is a cult. Not even if grey is telling the truth.

Lemme think on this setup a bit.

Plus.. I need an explanation from Amrun.

An explanation of what? Why I wasn't lynched? No clue. Someone with a brain saved me I guess. Or scum trying to fuck with you - but that's almost definitely not true as scum would know I was being truthful.

I didn't actually even realize I wasn't lynched and so didn't send in a night action, just assumed I was. I've been pretty distracted of late.... Sorry. Because I didn't check, I didn't submit a night action. My bad.

[Amrun]

No, it's fine, and it's a legitimate accusation. I'm not upset by it. I'm not a delicate little flower.

I 100% am fine with being lynched for this.

I am, however, telling the truth. I HATE missing night actions. I seriously thought I was lynched, and therefore not requiring a night action to be sent in. I feel like such a DOPE for not reading the lynch scene and realizing that I still needed to send one...

I really, really hate to be pulling this as an excuse. It annoys me. However, there is no way I will make it in this game without being transparent. I didn't send in a night action because I have had extreme insomnia since ~it~, no sleep schedule to speak of, and have been walking around like a zombie. I didn't post on mafiascum at all, not EVEN for my modded game. That is the truth, but I do NOT expect you to accept it. I would probably not, as an opposing player, in fact.

I feel doubly bad because I think the governor was town, and I've let down someone who went out on a limb for me. I'm sorry, whoever you are.

[Amrun]

Oh, btw...

VOTE: greygnarl

And I am now in the position of being completely at fault for not having confirmation for this slot. I am really screwing this up.

[Amrun]

Protected MattP.

[Amrun]

Also if there is a town gov, they need to claim immediately. I am definitely baffled by greygnarl's flip - not the color, but the role. WHY would the mafia want to save someone they KNOW to be the doctor?

These are the two options as I see them:

1) greygnarl was scared of Nexus' investigation being on him and wanted me to be around to eat the investigation.

2) We're dealing with multiscum and/or cult and the mafia knows it and thought I was one of those things.

Of course, for everyone else, there's a completely reasonable third option which I know is not true. I have no argument against that except that I know it's not true.

[Amrun]

I have one question for Amrun, that must be answered before my next post.

Are you absolutely certain you want to claim that you targeted Matt P last night?

100% certain. I double checked the action PM I sent and everything. That's who I sent in for my protection. If you have some sort of something else to the contrary, then please state what it is, because if I am lynched for it. town needs to know what sort of manipulations we are dealing with. I don't see scum 1v1ing me with false info, as it's just not necessary, so that makes me think town on you.

MattP, I think you're forgetting one vital thing. You might predict I would protect you as town. Scum might not predict that; in fact, I was hoping they wouldn't and it seems like they didn't. I had a tough decision last night and almost decided against protecting you because I thought you WEREN'T an obvious scumkill, but then I thought if they killed you and I was off of you I would never forgive myself.

I did also think I might be roleblocked, and I may have been. It's POSSIBLE that my protect went through and prevented a kill on you, but that's certainly not a foregone conclusion. And even if it was what happened, it doesn't mean scum decided not to roleblock me. They might not be able to. In fact, I'd say this was a couple of points in favor of scum not having an rb.

I guess I should say here that I intend to vote camn, but mattp doesn't want votes, so I'll hold off for now since I trust him as town.

[Amrun]

Yesterday. Look how passive she was. She tried to steer the lynch away from grey without taking a stance on him at all. That also includes me ... and that's just as weird. If camn had really found a towntell on me for forgetting to send in my action/check my flip, and believed it, she wouldn't be so passive about ME, either. And if she DIDN'T believe it, she still wouldn't be passive. She's really been fencesitting and it's strange, not what i expect from her.

[Amrun]

I just figured it out, I think. Greygnarl wanted Nexus to confirm him as governer in hopes that this would falsely confirm him as town. MattP, your logic is ALL kinds of bad. The top part is fine, but how you get to the conclusion I am scum is bafflingly stupid. I know you're not stupid, so I'm a little lost how you even got there.

Nexus was NOT a cop. He was a ROLECOP and there is a world of difference. Role cops very rarely return faction, and the rare times they do, it's almost always multiscum and a scum role.

Why should greygnarl, governor, be so scared of Nexus? He wouldn't. He'd LOVE to be rolecopped, in fact, and he just proved his ability. And more to the point, they would have assumed I would be protecting Nexus, because they know I am actually a doctor. It was only a fluke I thought I was dead.

The basic fact that I was governed by scum is, I admit, an objective scumtell for me, and I won't cry at being lynched over this. However, the obvious solution is NOT true in this case, and I really think I've hit on the actual solution. Worst case scenario, greygnarl goes down and I look quite implicated.

It was a pretty good move on their part, actually. I commend the mastermind of the plan. camn, was it yours? I wouldn't be surprised.

[Amrun]

You're actually embarrassing yourself, not me. Your logic is laughably bad.

I KNOW he nameclaimed something different. But he just proved he was a gov by governing me and he could come up with some bullshit reason for lying, protecting his role, blah blah blah. As I said, worst case scenario, he goes down the next day and I follow the next day and town is thoroughly distracted.

You're not even using the obvious reason that makes me more likely to be scum than town; you're using convoluted reasons that don't make sense.

I'm not a bad lynch for town at this point, and I'm not arguing that. But I'm still going to tell you when your logic is bad.

p-edit: Yeah, I guess that's true - even so, he could have said, "I'm the governor!" and he'd have proof. No one could have counterclaimed and we'd have been mostly forced to accept his version of events. If he was really lucky, I'd get lynched and flip town and confirm him even more. But even MORE likely is the first thing I proposed, that he kept me alive so that Nexus would target ME over greygnarl.

You're missing the point. There's an obvious reason to lynch me and it's none of the above options. lol.

[Amrun]

I forgot exactly how Nexus' ability works. That makes it less tenable.

That doesn't really matter, though. Whatever the plan was, and whoever it belonged to, is completely irrelevant. I am town.

I completely agree that simple game mechanics look bad for me at this point, but it doesn't change the facts.

greygnarl most likely stopped me from being lynched. If I find out later that town WAS responsible and has not come forward by now, I'll be pretty pissed. The reason is pretty weird, whatever it is. I'm still town.

I don't know if scum have an RB. I thought they did, by virtue of not killing Nexus before. But if they do, they either elected to chance it and not block me last night, or something else is responsible for the lack of kill.

I'm just making sure all the information is on the table before I am lynched, which is probably going to happen today. I'm not even sure if I SHOULD fight it, as I don't think I should be at end game at this point. I'd be too easy of a lynch if I made it that far, and knowing that, I'm less likely to be killed even being doctor. I mean, scum probably WOULD be forced to kill me, especially if they were conservative - but they've been shown to be pretty ballsy. So blegh. I'm torn by feeling like I'm obligated to fight and obligated not to fight.


p-edit: Matt, why aren't you bothering to think about things? I support massclaim today, I think.

[Amrun]

It's going to be funny when I flip town and you realize that you didn't stop to think about it for five seconds. When you look at the situation assuming that I'm scum and then reach the conclusion that I'm scum and use that to base actions off of, if you're right it's only by random chance.

[Amrun]

I wasn't addressing you, camn. Your reason makes sense, even if I think you're more likely scum than not due to your actions yesterday. I can give no response except that I don't know why scum would do that... I've given my best explanations, and they're fairly paltry. I have nothing else to offer. I'm still town.

I was addressing MattP, whose reasons do NOT make sense.

[Amrun]

Thats no kind of answer... and I know it wasn't adressed to me- but its relevant.
While your thoughts about my scumminess? Irrelevant You are the one on the gallows here.

That's exactly why you're scummy. You're deflecting. If you were town, you'd be interested in my suspects, even if you thought I was scum. if my top scum suspect was going down, I'd LOVE for them to go down swinging at me. It would really help everyone to know I'm town. I'd be most interested in associate tells after I flip scum - if you're really that sure. And if you're not, you should be interested for other reasons.

And you're not. You're more concerned about stopping any dirt from coming your way, even when you're not remotely in danger.

That's a scum mindset, and you are scum.

p-edit: Plan on it, Kinetic. Let's say, for argument's sake, that I'm scum. There's still no reason to rush the day. Please give me time.

[Amrun]

Take a trip down the hypothetical with me.

I'm town.

What do you think of camn?

[Amrun]

Kill Amrun, then kill me. Once you realize she is cult you'll keep me alive. THis is the most logical course of action. Having you(Matt) as a confirmed town is especially important with a cult.

Amrun has played really bad. The fact that she can't even protect Nexus is ridiculous. THe fact that she wasn't lynched is also huge. That seems like a tipoff that something funny is going on.

These two quotes make me think something else. Greygnarl was hanging his life on me being cult. If the mafia didn't actually suspect a cult, he would know I wouldn't be flipping cult - therefore, preventing my flip keeps his claim alive. It wouldn't be what I would do as mafia, but it's not me making the decisions.

And here is grey using the fact that he governed me in a push to lynch me.

Honestly, despite the whole being governed by scum thing, I'm not actually sure how anyone can read the dcl/greygnarl iso and think I'm scum with that slot in ANY way, shape, or form.

Speaking of the cl/greygnarl iso, I didn't realize when I skimmed it before that it absolutely confirms scooby as town. I thought scooby was town anyway so I didn't pay much attention, but there's no doubt at all.

It also has AV leaning town for me, but it's nothing to write home about.

[Amrun]

Kinetic, I asked what you thought of camn specifically, though.

[Amrun]

Well, what is your opinion about what I said about her passiveness yesterday and her deflection today?

[Amrun]

I'm not saying it's DAMNING. If it was damning, I wouldn't bother asking you about it. I think it suggest she's scum, but it's no guilty.

[Amrun]

VOTE: WrathChild

I believe you, WC, but you don't let survivors live.

[Amrun]

wow you are out of touch with reality

[Amrun]

Okay, but how does that even remotely make me scum? That's fine, and that makes some things make more sense, but how would that lead you to vote me? lol

FTR, you're not even close to the last person I would protect.

[Amrun]

so, update on my life: my wisdom teeth are horribly infected and my face is swollen

also my family is getting hit by the hurricane pretty directly

yay

but I'll catch up in a bit

[Amrun]

you're dumb

[Amrun]

Wait, what do you mean? I can't hammer him, as I'm already voting for him.

[Amrun]

Oh, I get it, some sort of bomb speculation.

Yeah, of course I'm willing.

Unvote

[Amrun]

We're at 4; someone else vote, and I'll hammer.

[Amrun]

OR we could lynch Amrun who was obviously on Greygnarls team

I would ask if this was your honest-to-God opinion, but LOL.

VOTE: wrathchild

[Amrun]

VOTE: deathnote

my early confidence he was town after his response to my suspicion has waned.

also i protected mattp. which scum would probably have known i was going to do. this lynch is solid.

[Amrun]

oh sweet

[Amrun]

Town Mvp = Panzerjager. You're welcome

Is this serious? Haha.


Sorry to all for my pitiful performance... I was really hanging on by a thread and staying to stay in to help MoI. ESPECIALLY sorry to Nexus for not realizing I was alive and protecting you!

[Amrun]

^^^^^^^^^^^ this

[Amrun]

"I say this because once they die, alot of heat might come your way. They wont flip cult and people might drift into wondering about you again.

Saving them gives us a free night kill and wastes another lynch the next day. "

I c-c-called it.