Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)
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In post 10, Acosmist wrote:I have to skip the random nonsense stage of my posting (inb4 Yates says "The entire game?") in order to claim:
I am Solid Snake. If you target me, you will die. This is seriously a claim of my actual role. I am a paranoid gun owner. However, my role does not make it clear whether you will die immediately. Itisclear thatyou will die if you target me.
VOTE: Benmage because :mumblemumble no good reason hurr:
Solid Snake... in a Harry Potter game..
Yea, no.
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In post 60, I Am Innocent wrote:
@Jason, do you think it is unlikely that pappums would put a PGO in this game?
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No, not questioning that. I am not going to get into outguess the mod, especially since it is a large theme and it is too early to even debate what types of crazy to death roles there are in it. I was, mistakenly, questioning the Solid Snake claim
The last time I saw a PGO claim it turned out to be a vanilla town. I actually am thinking if he was scum, Miller would have been his claim instead of PGO. But again, that goes into outguess the mod.. and I hate that, even though I just did it.
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In post 51, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 8, jasonT1981 wrote:argh, muck about when its not 2.30am. I really need to sleep.. I feel dead. See you in the tomorrow
This feels like an overlooked piece of information.
I mean, obviously he faked it so he could jump on a post made one minute later to achieve a masterful scum strategy of town-telling to the point where he'd never be considered for a lynch for the rest of the game.
Obviously.
I believe I have often made reference to it being late in my timezone in games.-
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Could you actually give your views on it please? All you did was quote it and say your rvs vote is now a real one. and now ask for others views.
What about that post makes your RVS vote, real?
What about that post comes across as scummy?
Why did you not give any reasons as to why your rvs vote is now a real vote in your post 66?-
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In post 41, Benmage wrote:I think I'd rather do a MOD meta of Pappums... I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of a PGO. AND SOLID SNAKE????? Dudes the muthafuckin l33t assassin.... PGO??? PGO??? You're looking at a JoaT, strongarm vig... Something like that, but PGO....... doubting it tbh.
Re-reading but this sticks out to me.
Even though it is a theme game, it is not always wise to assume roles based on characters. I have seen theme games were main characters were bad guys in mafia games. Games were bad guys in shows were town in games.
Role guessing based on actual characteristics is pretty short sighted. As it is a theme game, I don't think it is wise right now trying to make any sense of things until later flips where we can anazilze things better..
but right now, I am not willing to assume a Snake claim should be a certain way in a mafia game, because that is how he is in a video game or movie franchise.-
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My thoughts on this are quite simple.
Why would you self vote, and ask people their thoughts on it, which all in all is pretty worthless and completely avoid giving your thoughts as to what was already a pretty big topic of discussion going on it the game at the time of your post?
you ask for thoughts on something stupid, yet fail to give your thoughts on anything serious.
And that is my thoughts.
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In post 78, Yates wrote:@jason - Are you questioning this because your flavor doesn't match your role?
I refuse to answer this.
I also was also not questioning it, I was responding to the claims by Benmage that Snake would not be PGO, and more a jack of trades/strongman etc. I was pointing out that in theme games it is not always safe to assume a role based on how someone is in a show/game. Post 44 I was responding to.-
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Oh.
Well one game that comes to might right away is a Lost game I played were the main character 'Jack' ended up being Scum incidently this was me
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=15103
as well as a 70s show were Kitty was mafia (me again)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=19193
Also, if you have played in one of my modded games, you will see the point I am making as I often state character roles in show may not match game flavor. IE Batman could be mafia etc.-
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OK, well my point I was making to you, was that it is not always safe to assume character flavor based on in show characteristics. And thus your comment about Solid Snake being more a JOAT than a PGO should not be seriously considered in a theme game as what you were speculating is quite dangerous.
Edit: Maybe, but that is a line of inquiry I am taking right now as to why he ignored talk and essentially asked for all talk to be on him and his self vote. It was interesting he didnt make any comment on what was going on.-
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In post 144, Benmage wrote:Jason didn't give an inquisition he just voted
Ummm no, wrong. I actually did inquire alongside my vote as to why he wanted us to talk about him and his vote when there was actual game content he could have discussed. Instead it was self vote- discuss.
In post 96, jasonT1981 wrote:
My thoughts on this are quite simple.
Why would you self vote, and ask people their thoughts on it, which all in all is pretty worthless and completely avoid giving your thoughts as to what was already a pretty big topic of discussion going on it the game at the time of your post?
you ask for thoughts on something stupid, yet fail to give your thoughts on anything serious.
And that is my thoughts.
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In post 144, Benmage wrote:
Line of inquiry? The ship sinks. Thats how titanic ends. If you've seen it once you've seen it a million times. Whats he going to get out of rc's selfvote and going 'thoughts'... Jason didn't give an inquisition he just voted. Whats RC going to say?What makes selfvoting scummy in the rvs? Jason will go, gee I don't know.End of story. Lets get to the meat of the game. Jasons vote sucked. Any inquiry on selfvoting will suck.
In everygame people answer stupid questions not directed at them. THEY question UNEXPLAINED votes on people who aren't voting them. You should have seen this a million times.... Helll even KK had to be told by Yates to stop answering for Jason, because Yates was waiting for a specific response.
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Ben, stop.. just stop talking.
Refering to the bolded... I am not questioning the self vote as such.
I am questioning why he chose to try to bring all discussion about himself about his selfvoting and wanting us all to discuss it when he did not even discuss what was a pretty big talking issue in the game by this stage.
that is what I am saying.
I am not voting for him because he self voted. No where have I said this.-
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It never fails to annoy me how people can not understand what is in plain, english text. Sometimes I am thinking I am speaking some dead language and all people hear is background noise like a distant ghost or something not understanding what is being said fully. Just picking up on small things and not the big picture.
Please read, and re-read before posting. I do not wish to bore myself to death again trying to correct people about what I said.-
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In post 169, Yates wrote: I was planning on moving my vote to Jason if he didn't answer right -but that line of questioning went sideways and I never got the answer that would tell me if that setup spec was Town or Scum driven.So that's hitting a dead end. Also, ftr, KK is the only one currently on my wagon that was able to actually make a case as to why he thought my post could be flavor fishing. I will admit that I didn't think I'd need to tell someone NOT to tell me their alignment.
wow wow wow hold on a minute here, I WAS NOT set up speculating. If anything I was warning that setup speculation in a mafia themed game is dangerous and you cant always determine roles based on how they may appear in their movie/game etc-
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Seriously, you are better than this Yates. I find myself once again having to repeat myself and go in circles because of your inability to read anything and understand it.
Again, simply pointing out that game flavor doesn't always match actual game/tv/film flavor. I thought it was important to point out this as Ben had been saying Snake as PGO didnt make sense and it would be better to have snake as JOAT, Strongman or something else.
The statement I made, which you quote was to back up my point that it is stupid of Ben to assume Snake isn't PGO because thats not how he is in the MGS franchise. As not all mods will keep flavor exact IE A doctor in a show, will not always be doctor in a game.
Why is this such an issue with you? I can't make it any clearer.
And no, you WERE flavor fishing.
I don't see how pointing out setup speculation is bad in themes and we shouldn't be basing setup speculation on who is who in the game, is set up speculation.. if any it is the polar opposite. I was trying to discourage Ben's setup speculation.
What's so hard about that to understand? And why do you keep going on about it when it has been explained over and over, and over. I feel like blasting my head against a wall until I go through it like a ghost.-
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In post 192, Acosmist wrote:In post 189, Nero Cain wrote:In post 186, Benmage wrote:I am more enlightening everyone to previously effective scum tactics. I think this is the second time you've made false undermining statements regarding me.
But Ben, all but a few of the playerbase have been here awhile. So there's little need to enlighten. That's cute. Ben pushed back.
In post 187, zabriel wrote:I am not a fan of anybody on the Aco wagon.
no one is voting him. lol
Why do people think this is town? Zab is ignoringEVERYTHINGdirected at him. Slot needs death.
That's a good point, what wagon? Did I ever even get a vote? I certainly have none now.
Yea, I voted you on page one, then unvoted when it was pointed out to me I was wrong. Sorry about that one lol-
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In post 194, Nero Cain wrote:Maybe earlier, still it looks like Zab isn't paying attention and light defending you.
A Zab flip could be pretty interesting in terms of Acosmist alignment with the soft defending.
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VOTE: zabriel
zabriel , why are you not a fan of anyone on the wagon?
do you see Acos as town?
He was pretty quick to jump at me for making the mistake of the Solid Snake claim, he has done a lot of defending but given little reasoning for it too.-
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you may be right about AV actually, looking in ISO
In post 123, AurorusVox wrote:In post 117, Cybertronix wrote:This is my first large theme game, but I have to agree that speculating on PRs and alignment this early is dangerous. Wouldn't this type of discussion be more suited for D2?
Um.
AnywayVote: Yates
Cyber if you're lost just sheep me. This is a good vote.
Alright.
If it is a good vote, why had you not mentioned him once before?
if it is a good vote why are you not giving any reasons?
If it is a good vote, Why is it a good vote?
Why do you think yates is scum?
you have my attention, prove to me as to why Yates is a good vote.-
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In post 123, AurorusVox wrote:In post 117, Cybertronix wrote:This is my first large theme game, but I have to agree that speculating on PRs and alignment this early is dangerous. Wouldn't this type of discussion be more suited for D2?
Um.
AnywayVote: Yates
Cyber if you're lost just sheep me. This is a good vote.
hmmm possible coaching here.... scum trying to lead scum maybe?
interesting reply from Ben in regards to it
In post 124, Benmage wrote:^So long as AV keeps sheeping me (inb4sheepedKKdamnuKK)
Argh, aside from that, there is very little interaction with anyone. Cyber is possible scum I think now with the coaching... The Ben thing strikes me as weird.
But yea, AV didnt really interact with much and not many actually really discussed him. Good to get scum, but not sure how much info we get from this.-
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In post 242, Kise wrote:
p.edit: fck you daykiller for confirming day actions. But please, answer Aco..
Wait, am I reading this right? do you want to out the Day Killer? if so, why??????-
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In post 263, Benmage wrote:
*****Which BTW Jason... did you ever further attack/question RC after he answered you? I didn't think I saw anything, but may have missed it.
I don't actually think he ever directly answered it, did he?-
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In post 268, BloodCovenent wrote:@nero, i just noted two possible slips where he indicated more than 1 scum team. interesting shit man.
I doubt even scum would know if there are more teams. I think it is best to wait to day 2 to see if its possible. Can't tell anything now.
BUT
Given the flip was just 'Mafia Roleblocker' I am thinking just one team. As there was no faction name etc.-
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In post 270, Benmage wrote:In post 265, jasonT1981 wrote:In post 263, Benmage wrote:
*****Which BTW Jason... did you ever further attack/question RC after he answered you? I didn't think I saw anything, but may have missed it.
I don't actually think he ever directly answered it, did he?
If you double back that last quote of mine to his post, I believe post 160 he says I answer it... I imagine thats answering it? Not really sure to be honest... but if you we're awaiting a response... and didn't see one, why didn't you press it further?
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Given I have stated I am still waiting for an answer, I think that is me pretty much asking it.-
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In post 300, Kise wrote:In post 292, Benmage wrote:why don't you give 4 suspects with reasoning why, and reasoning for your top town reads.
2nd this.
Actually lets go one further... most of your posts are fluff.
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In post 303, zabriel wrote:Gonna have to agree here. IAI is asking for a lot of information, which could be the start of a kill-list for tonight.
IAI Asking for a list of who someone thinks is scum is actually a kill list?
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In post 341, Amrun wrote:In post 340, jasonT1981 wrote:I still maintain a Zab flip will go a long way to help determine the alignment of Acosmist
Having read nothing but the last few posts, I don't like this one.
You don't flip someone to get input on a third player unless you have conviction that the first one is scum. What is your read on Zab?
then read the game. You will see why I am saying this, as I have said this before.
I'm not going to do the work for you, catch up before you make comments about single posts with no idea what is going on. It is all outlined.
Do the work, read the game.
Also, given I am voting Zab, what do you think my read is on him??
Has to be a town read, right? Can be the only read I have on him, with a vote, surely?-
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In post 343, Amrun wrote:
I saw your vote was on Zab, but the post I questioned made it seem less like you believed he was scum and more like you believed he was a smart flip. Those are NOT the same things.
I have voted Zab twice, the votes were reset to 0 with the day kill of scum while my vote was on him, and therefore I put my vote right back on where it was.-
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In post 357, Amrun wrote:In post 350, jasonT1981 wrote:Yes, it's the only answer you will get. now read the game where it has already been explained.
I asked you a different question which you failed to answer. Here's another: why are you actively discouraging me from contributing?
I'm not, in fact I am doing opposite of what you are saying I am.
I am telling you to read the game instead of basing things off the one or two posts you have admitted to reading. As what you have asked, has already been answered. Now, read the game and don't expect others to do the work for you by telling you things already stated and can be found by reading the game.
I am actually encouraging you to find the answers yourself in this game that have been talked about rather than hand them to you on a plate.-
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In post 396, AngryPidgeon wrote:Hi guys, whats going on in this thread?Much like my predecessor, I am innocent..
hehehe Someone is over compensating... recieved a scum role, maybe?-
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In post 418, zabriel wrote:Melmond is a bit of a lurkerbunny isn't he? In 330 he has a go at BC for his attitude back in 42. Granted, it was fanbitching and dumb, but I think we were kind of past that.
He's doing a bunch of things that I've already been yelled at for doing, and that's weird to me. Also, I don't like his reluctance in 331. He throws some soft shit at Aco and IaI, but he doesn't want to actually call them scummy. I'm not sure what he actually thinks about Aco, just that he's opposed to a policy lynch and finds Aco's posts fluffy.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Melmond
So, what's up Melmond? What do you think about Angry Pidgeon?
These two votes together strike me as odd. Benmage has only mentioned Melmond once before, listing him as probably scum... but never actually even said why.
So I ask, Ben. Why Melmond, given you have said nothing aside from 'probably scum' in your scum list. Actually, under your list.. can you give me a short blurb about everyone on your scum list. quick bullet points as to why... this is your list.
Probably scum:
Yates
I Am Innocent
Melmond
Tammy
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In post 481, AngryPidgeon wrote:Kublai Khan have you mentioned Melmond once this game? Read?
given the few times you have mentioned him I don't think your one to point fingers. Especially with a vote on him, with little to no substance.
I know I have outstanding questions asked at me, been distracted tonight. Will be back on tomorrow to answer. Sorry, but its near 4am here.-
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In post 483, AngryPidgeon wrote:BC, you have been posting elsewhere, why not here?
Weak... I don't like the your posting elsewhere arguement. While yes, ideally everyone will be posting in game every time they post on the site, they don't.
Its nothing to worry about if they post elsewhere but not in the game.
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you have spent a lot of time saying you wouldn't mind his wagon and you think he is scum, he is probably scum.
but you have done very very little to actually back up why you think this. Bandwagon hop I think trying to get onto a wagon un-noticed.
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In post 548, ThAdmiral wrote:In post 546, BloodCovenent wrote:@ThAd, I've got a heavier scum read on cyber, and no real read on Zoroaster, wanna start a Cyber wagon with me?
Unvote:
Vote: Cyber
Why not.
vote: cyber
Check out zoro though.
With the already heeavy thoughts on BC being possible scum, this interaction does not strike me as town.-
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In post 572, AngryPidgeon wrote:Jason, what does the Zabriel flip tell you about Acosmist? You've spent an awful lot of time saying that, but you have done very little to clarify why.
It has been clarified... it was due to the amount of defending Zab was doing on Acosmist.-
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In post 580, Yates wrote:In post 560, Nero Cain wrote:IDK, I kinda think AV scum would be less likely tell his buddy to sheep him but idk.
Wait. What? Are you saying scum have day talk?
scum can usually talk pre-game even if they don't have day talk.-
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In post 604, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 602, Acosmist wrote:Whatever way you'll twist it. What do I win for getting that right?
ideal: you die today so you can't!
What the actual fuck are you talking about. Jason keeps forcing this connection that is not telling of anything and he needs to explain his bullshit.
Actually, it seems to be you forcing it and keep harping on about it. I have already explained, as has many others that there seemed to be a lot of defending going on by Zab on Acos. And left it at that.
you're the one who won't shut up about it.-
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In post 637, AngryPidgeon wrote:Assertion that scum don't defend town: false.
Scum can often, you know... defend their partners...
Shocking, isn't it.-
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In post 777, Benmage wrote:We need blood already. I don't like excessively long D1's. (Night'll give me time to readup)
Myko, you're town because noone replaces out as scum the way your slot did. Welcome to party.
I don't like this
I have often argued the longer a day goes, the better for town... however the longer it goes, the worse for scum.
Ben's thinking seems to be scum thinking, not caring what blood is spilled, just as long as the day ends-
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jasonT1981 Jack of All Trades
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In post 788, AngryPidgeon wrote:Long days = eventual disinterest. And I mean really its about content, not length in days. But jason saying that just makes me want to wagon him harder.
I've always believed the longer it goes on, the more info town can get.-
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jasonT1981 Jack of All Trades
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In post 795, AngryPidgeon wrote:Oh don't give me that bullshit. You, like me, love being the person making decisions and driving shit. You were slightly inactive at the front end of P4, but other than that you
1. Post a LOT
2. Are WAY more emotional than you are right now (honestly, I cannot tell that you have given more than 1 fuck about this game)
3. Actively wall up the thread to get people to see your PoV.
You did it in both games I was in with you and 2 games that I read of yours. now how about you actually give us some content? Respond to Shah's comments on you.
All 3 of the above also describe you perfectly.-
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In post 521, Kise wrote:In post 515, PeregrineV wrote:7 pages behind and saw a lot of walls. Do I need to read them or can someone summarize them for me.
@snifit- I saw some of your responses. Will check our prior games, since we played before but I don't remember if you were town or scum.
it's important to read
however im not reading the new walls right now either
i have something for you PV
In post 758, Kise wrote:reading
In post 771, Kise wrote:So i really didn't read much.. cus video games
I'ma try to read before Hurricane Sandy knocks all the power out. Stay tuned.
So these are Kise's contributions since last tuesday. Promises to catch up, excuses and nothing posts. Alright, he re-asks a case to PereV in the last one but has shown no active will to try and catch up or make comments on what has happened in now nearly a week.
Scum is skating by trying to go un-noticed.
vote:Kise-
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