Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[WrathChild]

Hi WC. Is tammy on your team?

Is Tammy Town?

Yeah anyways, don't lynch me because I just replaced in. There's no way I'm gonna read all these pages just to be lynched. Give me at least game one day to prove I'm not a waste.

I haven't read anything but the last page yet. Will catch up today (RL).

[WrathChild]

Give me at least game one day to prove I'm not a waste.

No dice. You don't get a full game day when this many people think you are scum. Just read your role pm, your slot's ISO, and the last day. That's all you should need.

I don't think that is particularly fair. Like I said, I'll do my best, my condemning me before I even have a fair chance is a bit poor.

[WrathChild]

EBWOP: ...by condemning...

[WrathChild]

Oh wow yates. What are you trying to pull here? I don't even have a single vote on me. Tammy is by and far the vote leader.

[WrathChild]

Correction, I have a single vote from the vote leader. That's real damning. Who thinks my slot is scummy Yates?

[WrathChild]

Ok, so did Tammy claim responsibility for theAd and AV?

[WrathChild]

Acos claims PGO right?

[WrathChild]

@WC: yes to both.

Also Benmage is claiming a full Cop role with a guilty on her.

And we had a couple people slip multiball early right?

So the solution is multiball with a Day Kill Mafia and a Night Kill Mafia.

I'll go back and look up the slips.

[WrathChild]

Wow, first time I've seen a daykill before. Not much information. From what we've got out though, it looks like flavor is matching the works pretty well, since if I remember right Psycho Mantis is the guy that can read your mind and keep you from doing things. Roleblocker fits that well.

I'm not sure we're dealing with coaching. It's possible, but it seems like the kind of thing you'd say to create fake associative tells. I don't know AV's scum meta, but it felt a lot like the last micro I played with him. He was arrogant, but he managed to peg the scum team pretty early in that game. I have townread on Yates, but if we're dealing with two mafias, Jason might not actually be a bad vote.

For now, I think I'm going to jump over to the KK wagon because I agree with the points put forth by RC and Kise.
VOTE: KK

As far as I can tell, there was no mention of multiball up until this point.

So yeah, Zab slipped. Tammy is Day Kill Scum. However, this does not necessarily clear Benmage, just clears him from being Daykill Scum.

[WrathChild]

I've played multiball where scum gets investigative roles.

[WrathChild]

And I strongly doubt scum-Ben has an investigative role if there aren't two teams. So ya.

Do you disagree about my multiball theory?

[WrathChild]

I've never played in a game this size before, but the lack of NK made me think it was borderline impossible.

I still don't think it is the case, but a Tammy flip would very likely confirm/deny it anyways, so I'm not going to beat my head against it too hard.

What I'm saying is that the lack of one NK is lot more feasible than the lack of two. If there wasn't a Day Killer with a guilty on them, then I would have never thought twice about it. IF that is the case and we have a DK Mafia and an NK Mafia it would explain a lot.

[WrathChild]

Dude, there's a guilty on Tammy. It kind of needs to be done. I agree with lynching the PGO, but I think the better play is hanging the guilty because of the potential for multiball. If Tammy flips SK, great, we have a honest cop. If Tammy flips scum with Psycho Mantis (I forget the player's name) I will be shocked. If Tammy flips scum but not with Psycho Mantis I think that piece of information is 100 times more valuable than a PGO lynch. I think the flavor perfectly allows for multiball. HP-Scum (probably Death Eaters) + Metal Gear Scum (probably bosses).

[WrathChild]

Vote: Tammy

Sorry, for some reason, I assumed my vote was there already.

The Aco lynch is sub-optimal at the moment. It needs to happen, but not now.

[WrathChild]

For christ sake. WE LYNCH TAMMY. I will take a hot steamy turd in the middle of my kitchen and roll around in it if she doesn't flip scum.

[WrathChild]

^^^ like this guy who's literally done nothing since replacing in except spread multiball crap theory and

thrown suspicion on town for "slipping"

. And here he's trying to sound oh so protown by repeating to lynch me.

Oh they're town now? That's good to know. You a cop too?

I'm not trying to sound protown. It's the best play to lynch you, the end. So far you're the only person that's killed anyone this entire game. That's stop that.

I wrote a book on optimum Mafia plays here's an excerpt:

Spoiler: Optimum Mafia Plays by Wrathchild, Fourth Edition 2012

Chapter 4.1.9: Early Game Guilty Reads from Claimed Cops

Always lynch a guilty read from a claimed cop before anyone else, especially if their name is Tammy and LyLo is far far away. If scum are left alive they will do nothing but reap and sow confusion throughout the thread as long as their black hearts still beat.

[WrathChild]

The only lynch I will actually accept today that isn't Tammy is WC.

I would

prefer

Aco, but I can do that.

Don't want to lynch your buddy? I'm sorry to hear that.

[WrathChild]

Sorry guys, long weekend. Thanks Veterans and Active Duties! Catching up on the weekends events. Why is Tammy not dead yet?

[WrathChild]

mastin already called us as team, catch up. May as well try to keep the sinking ship afloat.

It's just a bs move. Tammy is L-1 and you worry about the numbers game that no one else is even thinking about. BS cop out. Get called on it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4470852

smh

Everybody cares about the numbers game. That's why people are talking about "double day" and "kill the sk now so we have more lynches". The fact is that lynching tammy now simply is the worse strategy, regardless of where you stand in the debate above.

If people didn't care about the numbers game, we'd have lynched Tammy 30 pages ago.

Do you have more bullshit kise? Because you are trying really hard to get as much in the thread as possible, as far as I can see.

Please explain how lynching the guilty read from a claimed cop is the worse strategy than anything. This sounds like certified bullshit and if Tammy flips mafia and not SK, this is going down as a connection.

[WrathChild]

Oh, right. Benmage is the ninth.

For obvious reasons, he's excluded. Butyeah. All remaining scum are on the Tammy wagon, and Aco/MoI/Kise are three of 'em.

If we can't convince the stupid idotic stubborn town players on said lunacy wagon to hop off, then Tammy will be lynched, I'll be killed, Benmage will waste his investigation on me, and we'll be here tomorrow, with people on the wagon going, "It had to be done!", "Well, that was stupid of me.", "WHY WAS MASTIN KILLED?!?", "Well...I'm clueless now.", "It was the right thing to do.", "What do we do now?!?" and so on.

All the while, the scum, which I'm pushing now, will have once more gotten away with nightkilling the players suspicious of them, and people won't bat an eye.

I'm calling that right now.

I'm sorry, why does Mastin feel like he's obv-town?

Here's another problem with not lynching Tammy. There was no kill last night, why does it make sense to pass up a claimed guilty, to take a shot at a faction that either doesn't exist or easily foiled. Seriously, a scum team that can't even pull off a N1 kill is of no threat. All this crap Myk is throwing out about Mylo and Lylos is stupid when we are so early in the game. Assuming an SK can be leashed is stupid, assuming Tammy is an SK is stupid. I strongly believe we may be dealing with a day faction and night faction based on the flavor of this game. Myk's and Mastin (and others) resistance to the obviously correct path choice adds even more kindling to that suspicion.

If a night team exists and has already been foiled N1, there is a good chance they will be foiled again tonight. With Tammy's corpse we can validate Benmage's claims, assuming that the plain fact that the Night Scum's first kill was stopped somehow generates enough WIFOM for them to think twice about killing Benmage. Benmage may be alive in the morning with a result we can trust, only IF we lynch Tammy.

[WrathChild]

So let's not lose sight of the facts in my demolition of Scumykonian and his Chainsawing big brother Mastin -

Tammy needs to be lynched. Deadline is nigh upon us. I'll deal with the ScumderTwins going forward either by leading their hanging or having them Nightkill me as expected (thus validating my suspicions for everyone to see).

This is a great idea.

We hang Tammy, then we let scum shot MoI. Perfect. Everyone wins.

[WrathChild]

A 1v1 at this point is even a worse play than hanging anyone else other than Tammy. The fact that everyone is forgetting here is that this can confirm our cop.

[WrathChild]

1) WTF is going on here? I'd be happy to lynch Mastin at this point if we didn't ALREADY HAVE A GUILTY. For christs sake people, this is lunacy!

2)

Unofficial VC:

Tammy - 8 (snifit, Kise, Benmage, pidgey, WrathChild, MagnaofIllusion, Acosmist, AngryPidgeon)
MagnaofIllusion - 4 (mykonian, mastin2, Kublai Khan, Elscouta)
WrathChild - 2 (Tammy, PeregrineV)
pidgey - 2 (zabriel, jasonT1981)
Acosmist - 1 (Yates)

Not voting - Nero Cain

Nero Cain is V/LA.

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is 3 PM EST on November 15, 2012.

That means that

mykonian, mastin2, Kublai Khan, Elscouta, PeregrineV, zabriel, jasonT1981 and Yates

have a decision to make. Lynch Tammy (L-2) or no lynch. No one else is going to get the support in 22 hours.

Mykonian, Mastin, KK, Peregrine, Zabriel, Jason, seem to want to leash
Yates prefers Tammy to no lynch
Elscota is flip floppy

[WrathChild]

I'm sorry guys, I'm in middle of a work transition. I don't have a lot of time and will be V/LA for thanksgiving break. I'll try to catch up if I get caught up in real life.

[WrathChild]

I have to replace out. So sorry. Life does not allow much computer time these days.