In post 1894, Nachomamma8 wrote:a little more time, more in depth posting on peta and N.
peta:
peta didn't really have any strong reads Day 1, and I didn't think he made an actual effort in order to develop stronger reads. There was also the manho vote, which was pretty strange in that he saw a scummy post by manho, then goes back to check his meta, then finds that his meta doesn't make him scum, but votes him anyways. I don't see the purpose of checking someone's meta if you're going to vote him anyways, and it makes it look like he was just trying to create a thought process that looked townish. Then there's the PM vote which was set up with "yeah, I don't see how PM is scum, he's null to me" and "yeah I see how PM gets attacked because he gets attacked for posting a lot" then ends up following KoC's "even if he is town, he is useless" reasoning, which is strange to me, considering he seemed to care about why PM actually was scum and not just PM, but then just dropped it completely and followed along.
day 2, there's the KoC vote, which I thought was pretty cool because of the whole "I'm just sheeping townreads on this one", which means that he wouldn't really get towncred for making a vote like that, but he later sneaks off the wagon onto Bitmap and jumps back on only because he thought KoC was a better lynch than Rach even though Rach hadn't done shit, which is another ":/" moment now that Rach has flipped scum PR.
After that, there was the flash konowa lynch which is enough of a shitshow where it doesn't count for shit, and then a bunch of bouncing inbetween 4nx and things and then an interesting interaction with N in #1259, #1261, #1264. It's the first strong push peta really has on anyone, but it's mostly due to them being a useless piece of shit and the promise that he will hammer him whenever he reaches L-1, but not really anything beyond that. It's unlike anything he's posted for the entire game and it makes me want to call it distancing because that would make so much sense, but it's also possible peta was just honestly frustrated with N and his lip regardless of alignment, so just ging to point this out and leave it here.
Then there's this:
petapan wrote:i mean my problem here is tonally i read N as town where rachmarie is super scummy but circumstantially has interactions suggesting she might be town, strategically though i don't think she's a great lynch at all based on the dreams. neither is likely to ever be of any value to this game whatsoever.
so i'm stuck here being fat and useless because because i'm too afraid to vote either of them
which happens after peta defends Rach against 4nxi3ty for a little while, but is a setup for her to live until she appears in a dream which would allow her to get a lot of actions without still having to do shit. i don't think that he would be so brazen to defend both of his partners the same way like that which makes me lean town on N again, but I honestly wouldn't put him past it at this point. Then after this, he begins to prod at Rach, but never follows up on it, which again is weird and looks like mild distancing.
his effort post is cool and mostly correct, but it's nothing spectacular and postures for a vote on the biggest wagon and doesn't really have a second big read which is still sort of crap
so either peta is scum and got away with a ton of bullshit or he is town and has a ton of unfortunate coincidences
not going to quote-stripe this but do feel the need to respond buz you're off on a few things
i found manho's meta null at best - it wasn't like it cleared him of being scum, just that in general he posted that way, so I had to go back to reading the post itself. granted i could fake that as scum but to do so in such a wishy-washy manner? nah.
pretty sure i was reluctant to vote PMysterious for a long time, because he's a dumb kid what gets lynched a lot. the reason i eventually decided to vote him was because of the "i'll get you for this" post because why would you threaten revenge on someone who dayvigged you as town - then he said "no i would have reacted differently if i knew it was fake" which ensued i kept my vote on him because jesus christ he failed a reaction test as town. pretty sure i let myself get talked into that one.
bitmap vote was - he was a player in the dream and i reread and got a feeling based on him being kind of a whitenoise poster. i felt the way the rach wagon sprung up, it was a wagon to lynch the inactive/lurky player over a player with legitimate scumtells - and it was. it just happened to be on scum. i underestimated the willingness of scum to bus. i always do. but. i could see myself acting with regard to that wagon the same way as scum, because i know i have before - bussing the goon in order to save the scum PR who's starting to pick up heat. i don't know how to defend myself when it's something i
would
have done as scum, but i'm not scum
- makes me feel like a stupid newbie because i know the truth but can't prove itme being pissed off at N is a rage-tell, all there is too it. he shattered my shell of cool aloofness with his dickery. dw about the associations, they're a waste of time.
here's the thing though i've been reading 4nx as scum for a while, but i was sort of half-unsure if i thought staeg was scum and therefore should not trust his dream but in general 4nx isn't putting much analysis into his posts this game, i remember him doing that and townreading him fairly confidently in abarat 2, and here he's just flat. i think i explained that already. i can't find any recent scum meta of his to compare, his games from 2011 are like reading a completely different person
if you put a gun to my head and asked me who is scum from the notme pool, i'd say N or staeg (depending on flip) but like, everyone there has reasons for me to see them as town and reasons to see them as scum, it's very hard to prioritize. sorry?