Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[Yates]

Vote: JasonT1981

It's not the hammer so much as 2881.

[Yates]

Vote: JasonT1981

It's not the hammer so much as 2881.

Are you debating the fact it was not going to happen?

It's

not the hammer

so much as 2881

.

[Yates]

Okay - it was that and 2877 and 2878. Basically the "oops I hammered? I had no idea!" thrust of those posts.

[Yates]

@Yates - Do you really think scum would need to do a "whoops, lol!" hammer to lynch Elscouta?

No. That doesn't mean that isn't what happened, though.

[Yates]

In regards to 2972 I was going to post something along the lines of "how would a doc know any more than we would" but I see your point now. You are assuming Thor was night killed for suspecting either MoI or Kise while also defending Myk and Nero. This is possible but I don't like to NK spec too much as it introduces all sorts of WIFOM - which I believe is probably the point.

I still have a Town read on MoI. I thought Kise was hinting at a PR yesterday that changed him from scum to Town but he could have similar info as scum. I need to do some rereading.

[Yates]

So, you think MoI is town, despite
-Throwing away a gamebreakingly powerful role and instead choosing to mislynch it d2, and
-Pushing a mislynch on El, who we now know to be town, and
-Pushing a mislynch on myk, who I now know to be town, and
-Pushing a mislynch on me, when I am town?
Wouldn't surprise me if MoI came in and began attacking Zab, either.

1. In fairness, Tammy *was* an SK type of role [typically Anti-Town]. I thought she was an actual vig. I probably would have been more likely to lynch her if I believed she was SK [at least - I would have been less resistant]. This is a strategy decision that doesn't prove MoI is scum. Even if MoI *IS* scum, this wouldn't be a reason fo it and his meta posts support his decision. If anything, Ben also supporting the Tammy lynch should tell you something about how alignment confirming that stance was.
2. Being wrong isn't necessarily scummy.
3. Same as two. Though we don't have a confirmation on that.
4. Same as three. I *think* pretty strongly that you are Town but otherwise that would be confirmation bias on your part.

So yeah. I still think MoI is likely Town for my own reasons [mostly meta]. And none of the reasons you posted carry much weight under scrutiny. I think you are tunneling a bit and sincerely hope you will reevaluate some of these points.

[Yates]

And the fact he flipped Doc makes it at least plausible that the scumteam has a rolecop and found him (making NK spec pointless)

This is a good point.

But the even/odd argument was still shallow and reeks of someone just trying to say something relevant.

Wait. Didn't you just make an even/odd argument in your Nero tests Acosmist post?

Remind me … did you vote for mykonian at the start of Day 2 based on his hammer Day 1? I’m too lazy to ISO you right now.

I did but in his case it looked like a quick hammer from someone who had just replaced in and had clearly not read the game. I realize these two incidents make it LOOK like I am suspicious of the hammer but it wasn't the actual hammer in either instance so much as the stuff that lead up to [in Myk's case] or immediately followed [in Jason's case] the hammer.

[Yates]

Sure. Nero has to understand that he will definitely die, and nothing can prevent it.

But you are also saying it may not be immediate?

[Yates]

Sorry guys - prod received - I've been unexpected LA for a bit.

[Yates]

Sorry Nero, there's no way I'm answering your question. I don't like to have all my reads out there for scum to sort through. Feel free to ISO me - it's not something I do anymore.

[Yates]

^^ Sorry, Mastin not Nero.

[Yates]

Between the two of you, I'm voting for you Pidgey. Can you stop this please? It's making this game a pita to read right now and I don't really need additional distractions right now.

[Yates]

Yates, a jason lynch isn't happening now.

Oh I know. I'm just sort of vote parked for now until I can sort out who I will actually be voting for.

[Yates]

Alright - I can be convinced to vote for Zab or Nero. I had Nero as Town due to his role claim but there are valid points being raised about his "x-shot" ability suddenly being spent when we have an opportunity to test it. So I'm actually leaning Nero over an admitted POE + OMGUS vote on Zab.

[Yates]

His votes have mostly been wagon jumps, when I'm used to hearing original case material from him.

Haven't I been scum in those games?

Alright - I can be convinced to vote for Zab or Nero. I had Nero as Town due to his role claim but there are valid points being raised about his "x-shot" ability suddenly being spent when we have an opportunity to test it. So I'm actually leaning Nero over an admitted POE + OMGUS vote on Zab.

Intent to wagon jump?

Yup. I'm still voting Jason for tactical reasons from when today opened. Of the lynches being discussed that have a chance of going through? I've narrowed it down to Nero and Zab with my preference being Nero. And don't give me that "in your own words" nonsense because I don't need to restate the case beyond what I already posted.

[Yates]

Our options for today are zabriel and Yates.

Uhh... why exactly? Because I won't tell you/scum my list of suspects?

[Yates]

That Yates wagon was bullshit. I'm seriously reconsidering some of my Town reads because that was scummy as hell.

Vote: Zab

That was a bullshit counter wagon and I want to know what's up.

[Yates]

I would also consider an AP vote at this point.

[Yates]

The Zab wagon was a bullshit counter wagon to you?

You know how I know you are scum? You are acting like your wagon was really bad

Uh no. The Yates wagon was a counter to Zab. There wasn't even a Yates wagon until later.

Also, I'm acting like my wagon was bad because my wagon was bad. Also also - coasting /= scum. I realize I haven't been super active on these forums - PERIOD - but that's due to RL stuff not game stuff. Unless you think I'm scum in all three games? Also, feel free to show me a single game where I was lurker scum, tyia.

You, on the other hand, have been doing nothing but manufacturing counter wagons and casting suspicion without cause. Plus your stance on the Tammy thing was bogus but I'm not going to get in to that again.

When I have some time I'm going to revisit if you or Zab are the better lynch for today.

[Yates]

I'll vote MoI first then

vote MoI

Happy to oblige.

You are going down after Zab. Book it.

[Yates]

you are just trying to imply you are town by riding the "Zab NL means hes scum" wave which is just subtle buddying to MoI/mastin/whoever

Well this is pure fabricated bullshit.

Look at the time stamp for this post:

Spoiler:

That Yates wagon was bullshit. I'm seriously reconsidering some of my Town reads because that was scummy as hell.

Vote: Zab

That was a bullshit counter wagon and I want to know what's up.

Then look at the timestamp for this post:

Spoiler:

Lulz ... scum failed to lynch you ... that's a nice one ...

VOTE: Zabriel

Anyone who doesn't see yesterday's No Lynch as scum wanting to avoid bussing needs to retire from Mafia. Or they are Zab's partners in which case they are excused.

THEN take a look at the timestamp for this post:

Spoiler:

Nero, thoughts on the Zab wagon not going through?

I shared my thoughts with Nero on this last night.

Basically, I feel as if it would have gone through had zabriel actually been town.

Unless you think I have ESP, you want to explain how I'm "soft buddying" by agreeing with MOI and Mastin

before

they posted?

Second off, your votepark on Jason (a wagon going NOWHERE) suggests that you thought Zab was town. What changed to make you think otherwise?

Are you pretending I didn't address this yesterday or simply fabricating even more bullshit for a Yates mislynch? For your reference:
Why was Yates voting for a "wagon going nowhere?"

Spoiler:

Yates, a jason lynch isn't happening now.

Oh I know. I'm just sort of vote parked for now until I can sort out who I will actually be voting for.

Why is Yates "suddenly deciding Zab is scum?"

Spoiler:

Alright - I can be convinced to vote for Zab or Nero. I had Nero as Town due to his role claim but there are valid points being raised about his "x-shot" ability suddenly being spent when we have an opportunity to test it. So I'm actually leaning Nero over an admitted POE + OMGUS vote on Zab.

Like I said, this is all bullshit.

messenger is scum BTW

I agree. I can't think of one good reason a Town messenger wouldn't have tested Acosmist's claim last night. That was an opportunity to prove two Town roles. By not doing it, you simply proved one scum role.

PEdit: I don't like to without intent, but it's going that way and

I'm too baked to try to fight it.

Oh you smoke weed? You must be Town, then. And really really cool. My bad.

But Yates, Im chainsaw defending the shit out of Zab by voting you. So consider me cutting in line in front of Mykonian.

Awesome. Thanks for stepping up and admitting you are scum. So it's Zab, Myk, and AP. Easy as 1-2-3.

I can tell you were you go if zab comes up town. You lynch Yates. Kise. MoI. Jason. Basically pick your favorite from that squad

I'm amenable to this.

so, yates, how the hell do you have 220 posts without telling me anything about you?

I'm Town. Zab, you, and AP are scum. What else do you want to know?

[Yates]

That was an opportunity to prove two Town roles.

Scum slip? I thought Acosmist was scum scum scum? What happened to your 1v1 with him?

That was like 2 days ago. I'm over it.

[Yates]

Your shoe size, for example. Your favorite color


I want to know reads, why you have them etc. What else do you think I would want to know?

My shoe size is a 12 1/2
My favorite color is Man Cave
I think you, Zab, and AP are scum.
I'm not giving you any more information than that since I don't need you and your partners to work out a strategy based on how Town certain people are based on everyone's reads.

Bonus fact:
I'm a homebrewer - which is important because this game has been driving me to drink. A lot.

Anything else?

PE: I already stated in thread that I was unexpectedly LA. I *obviously* wasn't able to get on before day end or I would have been more than happy to hammer as opposed to leaving myself out there as an option. Saving

your

my own ass is something

you

*I* do as Town or scum. So that's another shitty argument.

There has also been zero buddying - though that is a yet ANOTHER hilariously false accusation.

Finally, I believe that the events of the last two days are more than sufficient evidence for a prima facie vote on Zab. The CW piece is merely a component of my vote, not the entirety of it.

[Yates]

Ok. I'm convinced. I'll change my vote order to Zab, AP, then Mykonian.

[Yates]

Also, Im a 12.5....Lets be bffs.

Well, I won't pee on your scum grave after you are hanged. That's about as much as I'm willing to offer.

[Yates]

MoI, this ain't you. I realize this game is pissing you off and you are really obvtown for that.

So you buddied me when you replaced in - back when I was posting and obvTown.
You accused me of buddying MoI [amongst others] today - which was obviously nonsense.
And now you are ACTUALLY buddying MoI as we speak?

Yeah. You're not Town. You can be lynched after Zab-scum.

Ok, just got home. Mykonian is the messenger.

Nice bus. Reinforces my theory on the scum team that Pidgey was bashing. Zab, AP, Myk. Book it.

@Mykonian - is this true? Are you the messenger? If so, why didn't you message Acosmist? [just assume we already know you are scum so you don't need to lie]

Yates is trying to look town. His posts about him being a CW to Zab and voting Zab immediately is huge cog dis.

There's a difference between TRYING to look Town and looking Town because you ARE Town. Since you are scum, I can see why you can't make that distinction. Also, you clearly don't know the meaning of "cognitive disonance" since I said yesterday I was trying to decide between Zab and Nero. The fact that I voted for Zab today after saying I would be in support of his lynch yesterday is pretty much the opposite of cognitive disonance.

He is basing that off his opinion that Zab was a CW to him. That is not how town thinks.

As far as you know, it would have been a coin-flip between Zab and Nero yesterday. If it were as simple as that, yes the counterwagon would be enough to tip the scales. Reads change and I'm far more comfortable with Nero Town today than I was yesterday despite the fact I didn't agree with how he played his role the previous night. Combine that with the CW and yeah. The Zab lynch is OBVIOUS.

[Yates]

As mentioned previously, I was deciding between Nero and Zab at the time. I wasn't able to get back on before deadline. If I were able to, I obviously would have hammered Zab yesterday and secured the lynch. If *anyone* had reason to hammer Zab, it was me - even if only to save my own skin.

[Yates]

My problem isn't that you are buddying MoI exactly. Its that you had a chance to move to Zab yesterday but opted to keep sitting on Jason.

Please look up two posts. Read that post since I think you aren't reading my other posts.

I'll wait.

Finished?

Now read the post immediately following it.

I'll wait again.

Good. Now that we have established that I was unable to get back on in time, perhaps you can answer a few questions for me.

1. What would be my scum motivation for NOT hammering Zab? Do you think I'm on his scum team? <- That's clearly rhetorical since Zab is obvTown according to you and 100% guaranteed to flip Town, right?

2. What would be my scum motivation for letting a no lynch go through if I'm scum and Zab is Town when I could have just hammered him yesterday and put my team 1 dead Townie closer to victory?

3. Are you beginning to understand how your logic is demonstrably specious?

[Yates]

I'll tell you what, AP; I think we know the Zab lynch is unavoidable. With that as context, why don't we re-explore how scummy I am tomorrow after the Zab flip?

[Yates]

If it's going to be 1v1 tomorrow, go Kise over Myk.

You are aware Kise has hinted at having a Town PR and that everyone non-scum knows it, right? Nice try, though.

I happen to agree that one of Nero or Myk is scum. Given recent gameplay, my money is solidly on Myk. So I would have Nero's "back" as well.

And Yates is absolutely bullshitting and fluffing regularly.

I can't even call this a pot vs kettle thing. This is more like ebony calling ivory black.

Speaking of which:

Everyone else was not provably online

Blatantly false statement.

Being worried about night kills is town, but talking about being worried about them just kind of comes off as posturing.

^^ The clarity of a man about to meet his maker? This is absolutely true. There are about 4 people's names being thrown around as viable wagons after Zab and AP, your name is on that list. As Town guessing what scum's NK might be, you would know this and this statement makes no sense. As scum doing BS posturing? This statement makes perfect sense. Listen to your scum buddy. You messed up.

He's been fighting my wagon all day, so I think it's a little bit bullshit that he'd go for a compromise instead of standing on principle.

Eventually, he has to bus his buddy to attempt to avoid suspicion tomorrow.

[Yates]

What do you think he is? What do you think now, and what are you going to say about him when I flip VT?

Okay, you're right that I'm applying some confirmation bias. I'm assuming you are going to flip scum. I'm not going to get into all the many WIFOM reasons AP would defend you until your wagon is inevitable as scum.

If you flip Town? Then we obviously have to look at the very few interactions [created by all of the reasons you have been "away" stated above] you have had with people and try doing the interaction analysis game. Honestly, if you flip Town I will probably still think AP is scummy for being the only player that "knows" you are going to flip Town. That said, I'd probably give him a flyer [depending on day actions] as Myk would probably be the better vote at that point. But all of this is just guessing as I have no way of knowing what is going to come out of night actions [both scum and Town] after your flip.

[Yates]

Let's play a game. It's tomorrow, scum decided to no kill just to fuck with the town. I'm dead and the flip is Rubeus Hagrid - Vanilla Townie. What now? I've defended AP, Mastin, and Aco. AP has chainsawed the fuck out of me. Mastin has also been friendly to me. MoI has been tunneling me hard for the last two days. Kise and Jason have been uselessly parroting MoI all day. What do you make of that?

Might weaken my Town read on MoI somewhat [though you were the only truly viable lynch today, tbh so IDK]. I'd probably get on Myk at that point. I have Mastin Town even though he is wrong about me - or maybe because he is wrong about me, so your interaction doesn't affect my read on him. I've also come around on Acosmist, though I still think Myk *HAD* to test Acosmist last night and feel like his refusal to PROVE Acosmist Town is anti-Town. Think about it - if Acosmist were to make it to Kingmaker, and is ACTUALLY Town, what are the chances he survives without 3rd party validation? If Myk doesn't message Acosmist tonight, he is straight up Scum and needs rope tomorrow regardless of your alignment flip.

I'm very undecided on Jason. He's someone I admit I don't have a read on. Kise has hinted at a PR. I thought he was playing scummy right up to that moment. I'm now thinking there was Town motivation in those posts I initially thought were scummy so he's in Town land with MoI and Mastin.

One of the people you didn't ask me about includes KK. KK is also a question to me. I want to think he's Town but every once in a while I get the feeling he's pulling the wool over my eyes. Ditto for PV who is almost like an afterthought in this game. I have royally screwed PV in the past as scum so he should know scum Yates by now. I'm not sure why he wasn't more vocal about a Yates wagon in either direction yesterday, though I like where his head is at with AP.

I was super pissed at Nero yesterday. If I had my druthers, I would have lynched him over Zab. That being said, I'm pretty sure I was wrong about Nero. If Nero is Town, then Myk is almost definitely scum for all of the same reasons I was pissed at Nero. Let's say I believe Nero used up his last TWO neighborizer shots in one night. At the very least, he can prove that and that those shots were instant. *IF* he used up his shots before having a chance to use any on Acosmist, then I'd just feel like he squandered an opportunity. *I* would have tested Acosmist's claim. Obviously, that's a game play style decision as I would have also kept Tammy alive as a pet SK and there's a chance that could have blown up. So, I'm willing to give Nero a bit more of a flyer than Myk as Myk has not indicated that his messaging is X-shot. As a mostly useless "PR," what better use could he POSSIBLY have than to prove/disprove the PGO claim? I realize MoI isn't happy about it but I think this is why people are more suspicious of Myk over Nero.

Finally we come to Pidgey. I wasn't sure how Pidgey could have such a strong Town read on me at first. I can follow his logic, though, and certainly don't have him in the Zab, Myk, AP lynch pool. If somehow you and Myk were to flip Town, I'd feel like I've been played by Pidgey and have to take my cap off to him.

@Yates- Jason yesterday, but Zab today. Why?

Jesus Christ, PV. Read the game instead of the vote counts. I've answered this question a half dozen times already and you look stupid for asking it again. My vote was on Jason early as an exploratory. I never moved it because he was never in danger of being quick lynched and I was trying to decide between Nero and Zab. Zab was on my radar yesterday, a counter wagon was formed on me to protect Zab, I think it's pretty obvious Zab is scum at this point. I take full responsibility for not being able to get online in time to hammer Zab myself.

[Yates]

Yates can suck a dick when it comes to "testing" acosmists claim. If you think either of us is scum, vote for his lynch. Not this weaksauce.

You have been here 3 years longer than me. I don't see why I would need to explain to you the value of being able to confirm TWO Town. Since this seems to be escaping everyone's notice, I actually haven't been calling Acosmist scum for a couple of days now - though his play has been a huge pile of turd for a guy that should be obvTown. What *IS* scummy is your refusal to make the most Pro-Town move possible with your role; which is to send Acosmist a message. And don't worry, I *will* be voting for you tomorrow if you refuse to message him tonight.

My sauce is strong.

[Yates]

Confirming roles =/= confirming alignment.

True. But in this case we are seeing that Myk is willing to test a PGO [which scum would not do] AND verifying Acosmist's claim. So that all but confirms Myk's alignment. If Myk dies in 48 hours of Foxdie, we can pretty much confirm both Acosmist's role and alignment. If Myk survives the 48 hours, then Acosmist's claim is proved false and this is the only scenario that wouldn't prove alignment - though would strongly indicate a scum alignment. I'm saying 48 hours because I don't *think* a poisoner action [which is what Acosmist's claim sounds like - PGO poisoner] would require more time than that to take effect [feel free to correct me if I'm wrong].

[Yates]

For the record, did some AV research. The conclusion is that it'd definitely possible,

especially

for Yates, but it's not in any way definite. It's not something he wouldn't do, it's not something he definitely would do; it's something he'd do if he felt it convenient to do so is basically what I found.

That was about as productive as your VCA.

Six names, four scum slots.

How do you know there are four scum left?

Also mark me down as someone recanting a read on Mastin. If you are going to go through these motions, why aren't you willing to commit to a conclusion?

[Yates]

IF I am lynched, well I am already dead..... I will just come back tomorrow, as confirmed town narrowing the scum suspects

Fine. So we lynch Zab today and test your claim tomorrow. Seems open and shut. Why are we extending the day now?

[Yates]

Actually..That does lose us a lynch effectively now that we are in odds. Hes likely scum though, so IDC. Way more likely than Zab.

Soooo... we lynch Jason tomorrow, yes? When we are presumably in evens, yes?

[Yates]

I don't smoke.

[Yates]

Because this Zab lynch is clearly not going through. AGAIN.

[Yates]

Should make you happy, since you and only you were responsible for that happening yesterday.

Clearly, as the one and only person not on the Zab wagon.

[Yates]

Wanna walk that back or can we lynch you now?

I don't know what this means.

I thought you were poking fun at me as the kicking boy today for not being on Zabs wagon at the end of the day yesterday while the others that weren't on his wagon were taking none. Did I misread that? Were you being serious when you said I was solely responsible for Zab not being lynched?

[Yates]

The answer to this question;

So how did PereV die also at the end of the Day?

Is obvious...

AurorusVox was

Psycho Mantis, Mafia Roleblocker

,

who was blown apart

Day 1.

PeregrineV was

Harry Potter, Vanilla Townie

,

who was blown apart

Day 5.
Pere kill was clearly a delayed Tammy kill.

So this...

Yates didn't hammer zab D4. D5 he was the first on it. Pidgey didn't hammer zab yesterday.

Is bullshit.

Even if you are going to run with this garbage theory that scum ALSO have a bomber? I don't know why you are all acting like I was the only one not voting for Zab or why I am the one and only person responsible for his lynch going through despite the fact that - as far as I can tell - I *AM* the only one that wasn't on site during that time period.

To that end, here's a list of THE REST of the players not voting Zab end of Day 5:
Mastin2
mykonian
Kublai Khan
Nero Cain

zabriel [Town]
PereV [Town]

Spoiler:

Votecount 4.15 (Final VC of Day 4)

zabriel - 7 (MagnaofIllusion, jasonT1981, Cheery Dog, Kise, Acosmist, pidgey, AngryPidgeon)
Yates - 3 (mastin2, zabriel, mykonian)
AngryPidgeon - 3 (Kublai Khan, Nero Cain, PeregrineV)
jasonT1981 - 1 (Yates)

Not voting -

With 14 alive it took 8 to lynch.

A no lynch has occured.

Night 4 begins now. Please have all night actions to me by 3 AM EST on December 17, 2012 or they will not count.

I am invoking Rule 14 and will be shortening Day lengths from 2 weeks to 10 days beginning tomorrow (Day 5).

There were SEVEN of us not voting Zab and Two have flipped Town. So this bullshit that AP has been pushing since yesterday needs to stop.

Is it too early to request a prod on Yates

Are you being serious right now? Because I didn't post on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day? This was also bullshit.

Im guessing Yates slipped about this ending up in evens yesterday.

Post 3792 is your answer and you quoted it in 3828. If you think that's a "scum slip" you are high or lying. More bullshit.

I'd buy Yates-scum. He was rolefishing early in the game.

Again, I hope you aren't being serious right now. My "role fish" consisted of me asking Jason why he would mention that he had seen games "were[sic] bad guys in shows were town in games."

^^ THAT is not a role fish.

Yates should claim.

^^ THAT is a role fish.

Yates should claim.

^^ THAT is also a role fish.

There are 10 alive and we are assuming 4 scum, right? So why are we mass claiming right now? Won't a mass claim help scum more than Town today?

[Yates]

Edit above: There are 10 alive and we are assuming 4 scum

remaining

[to make the above math clear].

[Yates]

Crap. 3873 should look like this:

The answer to this question;

So how did PereV die also at the end of the Day?

Is obvious...

AurorusVox was

Psycho Mantis, Mafia Roleblocker

,

who was blown apart

Day 1.

PeregrineV was

Harry Potter, Vanilla Townie

,

who was blown apart

Day 5.

Pere kill was clearly a delayed Tammy kill.

So this...

Yates didn't hammer zab D4. D5 he was the first on it. Pidgey didn't hammer zab yesterday.

Is bullshit.

Even if you are going to run with this garbage theory that scum ALSO have a bomber? I don't know why you are all acting like I was the only one not voting for Zab or why I am the one and only person responsible for his lynch going through despite the fact that - as far as I can tell - I *AM* the only one that wasn't on site during that time period.

To that end, here's a list of THE REST of the players not voting Zab end of Day 5:
Mastin2
mykonian
Kublai Khan
Nero Cain

zabriel [Town]
PereV [Town]

Spoiler:

Votecount 4.15 (Final VC of Day 4)

zabriel - 7 (MagnaofIllusion, jasonT1981, Cheery Dog, Kise, Acosmist, pidgey, AngryPidgeon)
Yates - 3 (mastin2, zabriel, mykonian)
AngryPidgeon - 3 (Kublai Khan, Nero Cain, PeregrineV)
jasonT1981 - 1 (Yates)

Not voting -

With 14 alive it took 8 to lynch.

A no lynch has occured.

Night 4 begins now. Please have all night actions to me by 3 AM EST on December 17, 2012 or they will not count.

I am invoking Rule 14 and will be shortening Day lengths from 2 weeks to 10 days beginning tomorrow (Day 5).

There were SEVEN of us not voting Zab and Two have flipped Town. So this bullshit that AP has been pushing since yesterday needs to stop.

Is it too early to request a prod on Yates

Are you being serious right now? Because I didn't post on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day? This was also bullshit.

Im guessing Yates slipped about this ending up in evens yesterday.

Post 3792 is your answer and you quoted it in 3828. If you think that's a "scum slip" you are high or lying. More bullshit.

I'd buy Yates-scum. He was rolefishing early in the game.

Again, I hope you aren't being serious right now. My "role fish" consisted of me asking Jason why he would mention that he had seen games "were[sic] bad guys in shows were town in games."

^^ THAT is not a role fish.

Yates should claim.

^^ THAT is a role fish.

Yates should claim.

^^ THAT is also a role fish.

There are 10 alive and we are assuming 4 scum, right? So why are we mass claiming right now?

[Yates]

Didn't Zab say something about getting a PM saying he was heavier? When he got the PM would be relevant.

This is a good point and something I didn't remember. It looks like Zab was packed N1...

Since it doesn't seem to matter much now, I got a weird PM from the mod a few minutes before Day 2 started saying that "something" happened during the night that made me feel heavier. It was cryptic as shit and I have no idea what it means. I don't know if it's important or not, but since everybody is pretty sure I'm going out today, figured I might as well share it.

[Yates]

Add in Yates not claiming despite me laying out exactly why we should be massclaiming now

Just because you asked for claims in 3854, doesn't mean I have to agree with you.

A better case would have been simple math [which I didn't do last night].

If we have 4 scum left [based on the theory we started with 5 scum plus a 3rd party] then the numbers are 6:4 Town. A mislynch would put us at 5:4 and a NK puts us at 4:4.

With that in mind, I will claim later today. I just want to allow for conversation first. There is a reason for this.

[Yates]

Yup. That's what I said in post 3884.

[Yates]

Okay, since it appears my claim is holding things up...

I am Alastor "Mad Eye" Moody, a pure-blood wizard and the most powerful Auror of all time. As such, I am a highly trained specialist able to identify anyone performing crimes related to Dark Arts [can tell if the person I'm watching uses Dark Arts]. Half the cells of Azkaban are filled thanks to me. I also have a magic eye that lets me see through anything including invisible cloaks [can't be blocked].

I can tell you at this time that Nero does NOT dabble in the Dark Arts.

[Yates]

Are you a flavor/pseudo cop? Like you could have gotten a guilty on Benmage?

My Role PM says I can tell if someone practices "Dark Arts." I asked Pappums if that meant I can tell if someone is an "evil doer" in general but he said he couldn't be more specific. So it sounds like probably a flavor cop?

I don't believe I would have gotten a "guilty" on Benmage as his power wouldn't have come from a "dark" place.

Yates, who did you target each night.

Nero N4

Yates only claiming a result on Nero but not others despite having had five days to check is also pretty bullshit.

Is it? How many shots do I have, Mastin? The reason I specifically mention Nero is because I was suspicious of him Day 4 and MoI had me thinking he could be a scum neighborizer.

Speaking of MoI - coincidence that this was his last post before being NKed??

Seriously I recant my "not likely to be Town" read on Mastin.

He's scum.

[Yates]

You like, hinted you had a good role related reason but im not seeing it at all with your claim.

I did, didn't I. And you're right, you don't see it all with my claim. Again, I'm not claiming all of my results for a reason. Sorry. You just have to wait.

[Yates]

Guys - I'm going to full claim. Relax. I got a "guilty" result last night and I'm going to allow the guilty party to self-incriminate so there are no take backs.

@AP - I know about as much about Harry Potter as I do about the Twilight Saga and Global Thermonuclear Warhead Codes [zilch]. In a nutshell, you know all I know except for last night's guilty and one other innocent claim [which is probably obvious at this point - but I'm holding that card for a minute]. My concern is along the same lines as the one I believe you raised earlier. I *think* I would have received a not guilty on Benmage [like 90%] but I'm not positive. I learned from tracking Piggy in Rocky Horror that flips don't always go the way you expect if you rush a lynch based on potentially faulty info. I have another example that I can't link to yet that served as a fresh reminder.

[Yates]

Also, I'm going to be LA for New Years festivities until January 2.

[Yates]

Shit. Didn't realize deadline is so soon. I've been waiting for Kise to claim because I got a guilty on him and he hinted at being a PR and I wanted to know if it would be one that dabbled in the Dark Arts.

WrathChild N1 - "Does not dabble in Dark Arts"

N2 - No night action

Cheery N3 - "Does not dabble in Dark Arts"

Nero N4 - "Does not dabble in Dark Arts"

*Acos N5 - "Does not dabble in Dark Arts" AND - I received no notification of any infection. So if I'm not dead from Foxdie by tomorrow either Acosmist is lying or I wasn't infected because I "saw" him with magic and never directly came in contact with him. hat's why I wanted verification.

Kise N6 - "Practitioner of Dark Arts!" He had hinted at being a PR earlier in the game. He also somehow knew I didn't get a chance to use my power N2. And that's weird because that is the only night I didn't get a chance to submit an action.

[Yates]

Also, LA means I will be on at odd hours but I will do my best to get on as often as possible. The only time I KNOW I won't be on is the last few hours of New Years Eve and the first hour or so of New Years day.

[Yates]

Here...

I don't really know where to go from here. Yesterday and last night panned out as my worst case scenario.

Same re: last night. I was hoping to kick my feet up for a while. Iso reading was so dreadful. So are you the godfather?

[Yates]

I saw him claim Draco [hence why I had hesitation about Dark Arts] but I never saw him officially claim VT.

I'm VT I don't know shit but what's been talked about.

I wasn't sure if he was still being coy there ^^.

If that's his legit claim, I'm obviously voting Kise.

I could still die at the end of this day phase or possibly tonight if Acosmist is telling the truth - and the kill flavor should match. There's no reason, however, that a VT should return as "Practitioner of Dark Arts."

[Yates]

Also, the way I'm reading post 2345 was that the ">.>" and "<.<" was meant to intone shifty eyes. Am I wrong there? I don't think so...

@Kise

- please explain why I would get a "Practitioner of Dark Arts" result on you.

[Yates]

Am I missing something here?

Yeah. Wikki. I saw that he is an antagonist and "literary foil" to Harry.

[Yates]

Alright - I guess I'll be dropping my vote in a couple of hours if Kise doesn't get on and explain himself...