Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

[JacobSavage]

@Mod: Would it be possible for you to send a Day start PM?
I only noticed it had started when looking at some old games.

Other than that, I would have to agree with not lynching Rodger right now. If had been lynched when I joined my first game I never would have learnt anything.

[JacobSavage]

currently the only poster I feel like could be scum is the Liberian.
To be honest I'm getting town vibes from most peoples that have posted.

I have 7 completed games on site (all from 2 years ago though) I came back and have 1 finished (Ny 160) and 2 on going (Gay Mafia 2 and Mini 1390 modded by the lovely nhamman)

[JacobSavage]

Is that an issue?

[JacobSavage]

I should clarify a few points 1. I'm not saying that we should never lynch him that would be silly, but we should give him some grace when it comes to how this sight works , I mean things do vary (even here things are different, it used to be you claimed at L-1 now you claim with that and intent to hammer). 2. I think he may of done the question was Is not voting an issue. which is what he answered

[JacobSavage]

I can quite tell what your trying to say nj...

[JacobSavage]

I just wanted to have post 69 read on...

[JacobSavage]

Baby Spice can you explain why certain people think your a policy lynch.

[JacobSavage]

Okay, fair enough.

[JacobSavage]

Indeed I had read it but by the time I arrived, it seemed RVS was over so voting without a reason would be silly in my opinion.

[JacobSavage]

Ahh see I play RVS is until people start throwing out serious accusations.

[JacobSavage]

My middle name should be passivity...

[JacobSavage]

I'm going to call thez scum, his blatant buddying attempt on nhammen is ridiculous, I fail to see scum being bothered to call out a partner. So nhammen is town should Thez be scum.

VOTE: Thez

[JacobSavage]

I'm still up for a thez vote. However I didn't realise that it was L-2
This day should be longer.

UNVOTE:

[JacobSavage]

Hey Idiot your here too
Reads wise nhammen and B&B are pretty obvious brownies. (Although a nheeammen / thez scum team isn't an entirely stupid suggestion based on their interactions.)
Parama, nj and Mini are probably town, that's just a gut read and a couple of little things I can't quite put my finger on.
If I had to call a scum tram now I'd say Sixx, Thez, Robert and Killer with just looking at the vote count and a memory of a couple of posts.

[JacobSavage]

My possible nhammen / thez comes from 1. thez ignoring nhammen and 2. nhammen trying to build a new case as soon as it got near his lynch. Yes it's very weak but I'm just noting it down for later.

Also albus I removed my vote as to prevent a lynch this early
I think he's scum but I want to assess the situation a bit longer and see who his buddies could be.

[JacobSavage]

@Thez told you it was very weak. This is also an example why quiclynching is a bad move. Thez is becoming more and more town like.
His reaction under pressure to me stinks of being town orientated.

In other news ArcAngles last post is terrible. I know of no role that upon the flip of one player it causes another player to be confirmed innocent. To be it seams far too much like Scum trying to distance their buddy through the medium of WIFOM.

Thus;
VOTE: ArcAngel9

P.s. Merry Christmas to you all

[JacobSavage]

Basically my vote comes from theft first like of 355. I says harsh is confirmed town when he flips (I have no idea who harsh is but will work on the assumption that it's heather for now)

It reads as either scum trying to set up a mislynch or scum trying to paint buddy in a good light. Either way that and her constant insistence that she is town makes me think she is scum.

[JacobSavage]

EWOD: the first line of

[JacobSavage]

Oh god, herp a derp. ... how did I miss that!

UNVOTE:

That makes a lot more sense. I don't her instance that she is town when she only has 3 votes. It seams very much a scum play. But it's not major

[JacobSavage]

Wait I thought it was about the drivers. ...

[JacobSavage]

Also happy birthday Mod and Jeck. .. maybe they're the same person....

[JacobSavage]

Hey Nj, both of your avis are pulling the same face....

Also Jal I am a driver, I have a car . Although not knowing much about cars I do t know how relevant it is to my role.

[JacobSavage]

That's so confusing.... You can tell I've not payed much attention...

[JacobSavage]

@Mod: Will have no access for Friday 28th and Saturday 29th.

[JacobSavage]

Oh hai everyone. Just to let y oooou know I'm back from V/LA and will try to produce a content post this evening.
However the Wi-Fi where I'm staying is temperamental at best so be warned.

@Idiot, if you read my case it was built on a post which seamed to be obviously buddying with a player named "harsh" who I assumed was a typo for heather. It turns out harsh was not a player and was her describing her playstyle hence the unvote. ..

[JacobSavage]

Hello, speak of the Devil and he shall appear....

I'm just on my way back from V/LA and have been reading along, not really seeing this Zifte wagon to be honest, somebody please explain why he needs to be run up the lynch pole.

Undecided about Nhammen, on one had his posts certainly show a lot of length and thus thought out. But I have seen enough scum that do the same thing then I've have to look into his meta from others games later.

Speaking on meta, I have slight suspicions on Idiotkings slot mainly due to it looking like a totally different style off play than I saw on the last time we played together.

[JacobSavage]

That's terrible reasoning for his lynch, what information can we get from his lynch?

[JacobSavage]

It makes total sense in that the Police would want to stop a racing crew. Blue might have just been chosen as it is a "policey colour" but it could still be Multi-Ball

Also I may be wrong, we were going to lynch Zifte for infomation and now we have a Sixx Flip we have infomation so why the Zifte. I agree with whoever said that Baby Spice is pretty much confirmed to

The last SC game I was in I was a spike strip, maybe that that role has come back as a Serial Killer...

@ Mod: has nhammen been prodded yet? Or Albus?

[JacobSavage]

It could still be a chicken at a fancy dress party though...

In all seriousness the idea of Bumi being scum is probably higher up on things I'd go for than an "information" lynch on Zifte

[JacobSavage]

Wait what Darthe even if they were two brownies it would be am issue as it would effectively make them masons... To be honest I think it's just letting us know that's what happened

[JacobSavage]

Slight problem jmj... lets say Bumi flips Mafia Goon, then yes Darthe should be put to death straight away. If he flips Mafia neighbour then we know that he wasn't fakeclaiming. Neighbours are one of those roles that you can't fake claim as a simple scum pair. You'd be effectively making them lovers

[JacobSavage]

I wasn't saying he was fakeclaiming, I was pointing out to jmj that two scum fake claiming together is just exceptionally terrible play due to it being totally obvious if one of them dies. I always believe Neighbour claims for that reason
And yes a Bumi wagon could be fun

VOTE: Bumi

[JacobSavage]

Who is girth? !

[JacobSavage]

I'm pretty sure that if Bumi flips scum then AA is the way to go. I mean Bumi's post before that pretty much confirms them as buddies and I can see a neighbour also being a mason.

I know who jeck is don't worry.

[JacobSavage]

I can see your point under a normal set up but considering we are almost guaranteed multiball having lunches on two different scum groups would make looking of interactions brilliant.

Prepgaps Bumi/Darth are a Mafia Neighbours but from different factions....

[JacobSavage]

Screw it,
UNVOTE: Bumi
VOTE: Ztife Thats L-1

Full claim or die.

[JacobSavage]

What ever you do don't vote him until we hear a full claim

[JacobSavage]

Because lynching him would be stupid if he's town

[JacobSavage]

UNVOTE: Zifte
VOTE: Mini Liberian WAGOOOON

@Arc: I am just a Ninja in the night...

[JacobSavage]

I can see what you're trying to say Sly. If your town and you're on a wagon that isn't going to go anywhere your just giving scum a greater majority in controlling the lynch. So unless you can make a substantial case (which can be quite difficult) then it can be more helpful to vote someone who you think is less scummy.

On a side note Arc should not be left alive in lylo as a policy, I find her possibly town and probably scumming because she's learning rather than scummy because she is scum. I don't know though it could just be she's learning but she happens to be scummy.

[JacobSavage]

Perhaps the mod just likes cars...

And Mod, no I have not, I discovered last game that it was better just to keep old fashion notes rather than rely on the spreadsheets, as Trollie pointed out it wasn't that reliable. Indeed by halfway through Day 2 I just switched back to using old fashion notes.

[JacobSavage]

EBODP: That should be to nhammen not Mod...

[JacobSavage]

I'm with baby spice here. The Jailkeeper claim and the handcuffs (I can't see why anyone other than police would have a decent set of handcuffs) is quite a logical conclusion....

[JacobSavage]

And I'm pretty sure Mini has already clarified that point.

[JacobSavage]

UNVOTE:

We're only fourth currently.... we can't give up yet...

[JacobSavage]

It can apparently do 147mph so meh...

[JacobSavage]

What does everyone feel about a top speed claim?

[JacobSavage]

Yeah this is why we dont allow her to get to lylo

[JacobSavage]

Also Skyhook what do you think about me?

[JacobSavage]

Actually you know what;
VOTE: ArcAngel This is a lot better, if this doesn't go through we are not lynching Zifte today no matter how obviously scummy he is.

Also what's the chances scum can't cross kill? (e.g. like Fire vs Ice)

[JacobSavage]

Because I'd rather lynch someone who is is a liability rather than someone who could possibly help us

[JacobSavage]

See Above.

Also the only pumps I have are the fuel pumps on my car...

[JacobSavage]

Maybe the slots a lyncher..... [/outrageous setup speculation]

[JacobSavage]

I was more thinking along the lines of:
Zifte you'd better be on Mini tonight. If he dies your getting lynched so fast tommorrow

[JacobSavage]

Why I because I also find her scummy. ..

[JacobSavage]

God AJs town.
He was under no real pressure and he walled. I rarely make walls as town unless I'm under-pressure. The fact he made it, even if you don't agree with what he says you still have to admit to the town motivation behind it..

[JacobSavage]

I don’t want to fight, get into arguments and get killed by Mafia in day 1 or night 1. I rather try to save my self before scum hunting

To all of those who are so against an ArcAngel wagon please explain why this post is if not scum motivated?

[JacobSavage]

I don’t want to fight, get into arguments and get killed by Mafia in day 1 or night 1. I rather try to save my self before scum hunting

To all of those who are so against an ArcAngel wagon please explain why this post is if not scum motivated?

Open your eyes Jacob.. oh wait. Do you care to explain why should I see you as townie?

Because I win with the town. My alignment is irrelevant to me thinking you're scummy. In multiball all parties are trying to scum hunt. If that is your rebuttal then I don't have much more to say.

I'll try and do a proper case soon.

[JacobSavage]

Hmmm you can be town for now...
UNVOTE:

[JacobSavage]

@All
Just checked the record page on the wiki. We only need ~60 more posts to take the record for the longest single day.

Why is that scary....

[JacobSavage]

Don't worry too much, though—there were plans to deadline days at the very start of the day in my next game before this one even started.

Would you mind clarifiying this, I don't understand it. Sorry probably just being slow

[JacobSavage]

Can we please not lynch a claimed doc D1 please....

[JacobSavage]

VOTE: Skyhook

Does that help Min?
Seriously why are people so keen for the day to end.

[JacobSavage]

Hmm but more posts = more information . And I would always claim VT as scum it's just a matter of site meta. I'd vote a PR if I had a good reason too. Currently I'm not so sure.

Plus we are onlt 40 posts away from being longer than NY 142 surley that's with it

[JacobSavage]

LlamaFluff lynch > possible Ztife-towndoc lynch. Use your noodles!

You can replace anyone with LlamaFluff and that point still stands but why Llama?

[JacobSavage]

OOoh lovely Albus. Any particular reason or...

[JacobSavage]

OOoh lovely Albus. Any particular reason or...

This very post, for starters.

Unvote; Vote: JacobSavage

[JacobSavage]

Also we are now offically the longest D1 on site.

[JacobSavage]

Also we are now offically the longest D1 on site.

At least people wouldn't be pulling their hair out in bouts of impatience for nothing.

Exactly its all worth it in the end
But Seriously Night-times are boring so I'm happy.

[JacobSavage]

In other news ArcAngles last post is terrible. I know of no role that upon the flip of one player it causes another player to be confirmed innocent. To be it seams far too much like Scum trying to distance their buddy through the medium of WIFOM.

Jacob, why did you lie here in putting a vote on AA?

I'm confused. Can you clarify where the lie is please?

[JacobSavage]

I would never call it confirmed. Scum can always counterclaim. What I was referring to was some sort of role that on lynch cased the other player to be Mod confirmed in thread.

[JacobSavage]

I guess masons would work to some degree actually.
But I didn't think of that.

[JacobSavage]

I'd rather lynch KJ than Ziftr so
UNVOTE:
VOTE: KillerJester

[JacobSavage]

I'd rather lynch KJ than Ziftr so
UNVOTE:
VOTE: KillerJester

not a bad vote
remember it for tomorrow
promise me

Fine, it feels terrible but :
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zifte
That's L-1 I think it's time the day ends.

[JacobSavage]

<3 you too nacho.

[JacobSavage]

Darthe, the name claim is in "You can be anyone" mafia, not this one. I don't think half the people here have name claimed.

Going to be honest thought this was a reaction test... We could name claim if we wanted but with the number of cars that exist chances of any CC's is very low.

LlamaFluff, who was

Leonard White, the driver of a 1998 Shelby Series 1 and a vanilla townie

, has been run over on Night 1.
Nachomamma8, who was

Alex Fields, the driver of a 2005 Volkswagen Jetta R GT and a vanilla townie

, has been incarcerated on Night 1.
Zdenek, who was

Patricia Stevens, the driver of a 1989 Subaru XT6 and a vanilla townie

, has been defenestrated on Night 1.

Also, thoughts on Night Actions:
Nacho was obviously killed by the Cop faction,
The defenestration sounds like a Vig throughing someone out of a club meeting.
It should be noted that "run over" was used by SC in another game for the Mafia's Kill method (Its on my wiki somewhere) so its probably not a serial killer (fun fact just tried to spell that with a C...)

[JacobSavage]

Yes Go play in traffic! That was it...

[JacobSavage]

also i have a theory that a higher percentage of people that are scum (over town) use the phrase "to be honest".

this being said, I went through jacobsavage's wiki games...he says it has town and scum(sk)...blah.

It was to Baby Spice.

And CKd I'm slightly confused by your last sentance...

[JacobSavage]

Wait got it. Ignore that question.

[JacobSavage]

Yawn, Albud you always seam happy with my death why didn't you use your nightkill

[JacobSavage]

Okay, my new going theory is that those slots who haven't replaces out at all are more likely to be scum, since townies wil l be more likely to get bored and flake out. Among those people, AJ seems scummiest.

VOTE: AJ the Epic

LOL, what?!

[JacobSavage]

In fact scum.have more reason as they just get sad about lack of night talk

[JacobSavage]

Albus you keep tunneling, why?

[JacobSavage]

Who would kill njospeh?

[JacobSavage]

Why didn't we kill killerjester day 1?

The only thing I can find is:

Lets go for that for now VOTE: MattP.

[JacobSavage]

I think so...

[JacobSavage]

Agreed with Albus certainly. He's been tunnelling since D1
VOTE: AlbusDumbledoor

[JacobSavage]

It's more the fact that almost every time he posts he is tunnelling on me and normally just ignoring what's happening. I dunno about you nut that is scummy. Also if AD is scum Darth is probably scum with him.

AA and TML appear town for now (TML is practically confirmed)

[JacobSavage]

I would shed tears of joy if someone killed JacobSavage, just fyi.

I'm caught up. Thez is still the scummiest scum to ever scum. JacobSavage and nhammen unvoted thez right as he got near a lynch. Yeah.

JacobSavage is also a capital choice for a lynch. Thar be scum.

Skyhook is town, almost certainly.

OOoh lovely Albus. Any particular reason or...

This very post, for starters.

Unvote; Vote: JacobSavage

Also would be very happy with a JacobSavage death.

Vote: JacobSavage

*cough*

Also whilst searching through his very short ISO I found these gems of posts:

I don't like this thezmon wagon. He seems town to me.

This may surprise some of you, but I'm in this game. I absolutely had to stop in the middle of reading post 85 and

vote: thezmon

. I'm looking forward to seeing why he's still alive.

Would you like to explain why you suddenly flipped your vote?

@Mod, Pretty Sure ArcAngel is voting Albus.

[JacobSavage]

EWOBP:

@Mod, Pretty Sure ArcAngel is voting Albus.

[JacobSavage]

So you're ingoring the obvious tunneling that is going down his end...

1. TML is practically confirmed in my humble opinion.
2: Ztife (13):

Nachomamma8

,

LlamaFluff

, killerjester, The Mini-Librarian, Skyhook, thezmon221, Darthe,

njoseph

,

Zdenek

, Boniface, ArcAngel9, JacobSavage, PeregrineV.

[JacobSavage]

I don't think your scum but I also think MattP / his Replacement is probably town.

[JacobSavage]

^Often people read through the slots ISO to work out if it is scum or not. This is before they request the replacement and especially some of the older players do it because they prefer to replace into town slots.

[JacobSavage]

Literally if you want a case on Dumbledoor just look at his ISO, its only 27 posts,

[JacobSavage]

Does MafiaScum not ever modkill for inactivity?

Not unless a replacement cannot be found for a long time. It upsets the game and it's balance.

But seriously Dumbledoor you've been tunneling on me since D1 yet you have little to no explanation, what are you a lyncher?

[JacobSavage]

D1 is very long....

[JacobSavage]

I don't think anyone's worth my lunch.

Its nommy and I'm hungry.

See I don't see that, I see scum tunneling and then when he's pushed reacting.

[JacobSavage]

Edo who you think the counter wagon jis against?
Aksi Phil is a cool name leave him alone:
But we can rule a couple of things out, 1. That it's AD, pretty sure he wasn't even around at the time. 2. They're scum

[JacobSavage]

Penguin, the flavour basically tells us that Bumi was killed by NJ.

Also Sixx flipped NYPD Mafia, so yeah police are scum.

[JacobSavage]

I really didn't want to post at all but I'm going to have to clear something up.

Firstly I'm not going to address anything game related here, you can have that later.

Secondly, I have access, in fact in regards to that nothing has changed.
However my V/LA is for academic reasons. I have a big report due on the 14th and when you see me around here it is when I really should be working. I took the decision that I wasn't going to post purely to make sure that I would spend my time when I really should be writing about Semi-Conductors building a case or looking into meta.

So, quit bitching about my lack of posts, they'll come when I get back.

[JacobSavage]

^ Because that's not role fishing at all...

Anyway I'm off to bed, see you in a bit x

[JacobSavage]

^ Because that's not role fishing at all...

Anyway I'm off to bed, see you in a bit x

Lynch this shit.

Aren't you adorable x

Anyway role fishing is bad as it gives the scum infomation. It allows them to direct their nightkill's meaning that the town's power roles are more likely to be targetted.
I can't see how role-fishing is good under any circumstance.

Also as an aside, this is no where near the longest game, the fifth largest on record is 4557 posts so we have a long way to go yet don't you worry.
P-Edit: And how is that any better?

[JacobSavage]

If I am a power-role then I would be outing myself, and probably nightkilled shortly afterwards.
If I am a Vanilla, then it reduces the pool of people who could have power-roles.

[JacobSavage]

Hey guy's do me a favour and lynch Arcy Arc next.
Her and her damn quick hammers.

Im Enrique Sandoval, the driver of a 1994 Lamborghini Diablo SE30 also a

Vanilla Townie

Now all of you, go and sit in a corner and think about what you've done. Also my point on Thez was that he wasn't activily looking to lynch me, he was just looking for a claim which is scummy as fuck.

In other news:

But most importantly, lynch him because he's scum. I'm sure he's scum; there is not a single inkling of doubt in my mind. If he isn't scum, I will tear up my I-don't-suck-at-mafia certificate into thousands of tiny pieces, and I'll dance around in a clown costume so every one of you can laugh at me and tell me how wrong I was. Fortunately for me, that won't be necessary.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[JacobSavage]

Just for your ease later:

Scum:
ArcAngel
Albus.
Baby Spice, pretty sure I was the counterwagon to her.

Weak Scum:
Thez
Darthe (possiblity of being a scum neighbour, basically and generally being scummy)

Null:
Jmj
Lurker


Weak Town:
Edo
Jal
PergineV



Town:
DeasVail for not just blindly follwoing this total madman known as Albus Dumbledoor.
Slandaar, he's posting content which is somthing i don't see form him as scum.
MiniLiberian.
Penguin - actually realising that I was on V/LA and not just pushing the easy lynch.

Actually town I want to you look at the people who pushed my wagon the hardest, I can guarentee you that at least 1 or maybe 2 of them where scum deliberatly taking advantage of the fact that I was MIA.

[JacobSavage]

Second of all

ARC WHAT WHERE YOU THINKING

You always wait for claims. I can think of very few occasions (cop guilty when not in lylo and with last scum) where it would be acceptable to do such a think.
Seriously this is the second time I've seen you do it. Just stop.

P-edit: And he's Messiah

[JacobSavage]

Congrats at AA being the last orginal player. That takes some stamina.

Well played Jal, I thought the town had lost it, then I thought we could win... Then well this happened.