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Majiffy
Aj The Epic (Cleared by quints, confirmed town.)
Lurker
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PereV (Claiming LD)
Aunt Jemina (Claiming Rolecop)
Darthe (Cleared by AuntJ)
Xelath (Claiming Town Vig, fairly confirmed town (possibility for an extra scum night-kill))
Inte (Claiming Neighbouriser)
That's how things stand; the scum RB was presumably used on either Pere or AuntJ (I specifically want to know who; I have thoughts regarding this).
#873 and #1031 makes me think Lurker is scum.
#1654; two scum on the wagon and one/two off of it feels about right. Assuming Lurker is one of those scum the other potential scum on the wagon are: Darthe, Majiffy, Stranger, Myself. Off the wagon it's either AuntJ, Pere, Devotress or inte.
Devotress and Majiffy were on the quints wagon in #948; also devotress has been in sketchy places almost every single vote count:
#611/644/718/752/782/833/873/ - On Monkey.
#948/983/1222/1289/ - On Quints.
#1031 - On Daumis.
#1368/1467/1591/1654/1669/ - On Majiffy.
I'd say either Majiffy or Devotress are scum, but probably not both.
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In post 1719, Aunt Jemina wrote:Yates, deary,
Given that qwints ended up dead, it is fully possible we possess no protective power roles. This would mean that three investigative roles is not outside the realms of possibility.In post 1691, Yates wrote: 1 RB vs two cops and a lie detector?
You are forgetting that I am aIn post 1692, Yates wrote:Right. So I guess this puts me right back at; why are you voting Majiffy? If Qwints was Town and YOU are Town, isn't [Grinny] obv Scum?rolecop. I require but one night phase to clear things up. If I get a result, I know. If I end up roleblocked, then the existence of a roleblocker is proven, and Grinny either gets real results, ends up dead (unlikely), or fakes results. If I end up dead, then it's not my problem to sort out.
To put it simply, there is only one scenario where there is no difference between today and tomorrow when it comes to me and Grinny, and that's where I am nightkilled. There are many scenarios where saving this debate for tomorrow gives us more information than we have today, allowing for a more informed decision tomorrow.
Cougy, deary, you should have more suspects than one. I already have given the result I wish to out on Darthy, and I have in the neighborhood quicktopic my other result so that should the need arise, they can reveal it.In post 1697, StrangerCoug wrote:Sorry, but you're my only real scum read left, and I get the feeling you have something to hide. You can either confirm someone's role or give us a reason to turn this game around, and you're doing neither at this point.
Everything to be said of my role has already been said. We can afford to delay further debate until tomorrow when we have additional information at our disposal. Until such time, we should continue scumhunting among the VT claims. And of them, I find Jiffy to be the most questionable. However, I am not limiting myself to just him. I am looking elsewhere for scumbuddies, as there should be at least one additional sour player in the VT claims.
Right, this has officially stopped making any sense now...
Did you investigate PV or Yates; if the former then your chat here about being able to clear things up is clearly mental, if the latter then I have stuff to say on this... (particularly given the fact that the person you apparently secretly revealed it to would be the target of it...)
I'll hold off from putting you at L-1 but if you continue to refuse to explain yourself I will.
PV was roleblocked. Options:
1) SlySly shot someone other than Monkey (no idea who) and was stopped by bulletproof, PV was rb'ed.
2) SlySly didn't shoot and needs a short sharp testicle twist for misleading us all, PV was rb'ed.
3) SlySly shot someone but was rb'ed, Majiffy is investigation immune.
4) PV is scum, SlySly was rb'ed. (Unlikely. Though I want to hear from AuntJ.)
Nothing conclusive really but worth laying out.
This is becoming shambolic, AuntJ needs to explain things fast.Thor665 is the beard king.
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Hmm, so there's a couple of options here:
1) AuntJ investigated PV, PV is a lie detector, in which case AuntJ is making no sense.
2) AuntJ investigated Yates, Yates is a Neighbouriser, in which case this doesn't sit right with me at all.
3) AuntJ investigated PV, PV is a PR but not an LD, AuntJ is keeping it quiet.
4) AuntJ investigated Yates, Yates is a PR but not a Neighbouriser, AuntJ is keeping it quiet.
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In post 1744, Yates wrote:Also, an AJ investigation on the Neghborizer wouldn't give her any information she doesn't already have since, you know, she's neighborized. Ooops. Was I supposed to put that in spoiler tags?
Indeed, you can see why I'm wondering what is going on here... (I'm assuming number 5 is the right answer for what it's worth.)Thor665 is the beard king.
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@AJ the E: Yes I know it makes no sense for AuntJ to investigate Yates, it also makes no sense to investigate a claimed vig, that combined with AuntJ's suggestion that she'd investigate Pere tonight means either she's done something that makes no sense or said something that makes no sense; I want her to make it make sense.-
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IF
Mafia have an RB and an investigation immune Godfather I could see all the PRs being town aligned, but that's a fairly sizeable if.
I'm more inclined to look at player activity for reads in the short term at least:
Yesterday was a miss-lynch, I assume we all agree that there is some scum on the Monkey wagon? If not that's a pretty impressive Mafia play:
Monkey 8 -Aj The Epic,StrangerCoug,Majiffy,Xelath,Darthe,Nostredeus,Lurker ,qwints
I've put all cleared players in green.
The next thing I'd say is I'm comfortable presuming Xelath is town for now, the case against that is the "why would scum give us a backup vig" thing and that's a pretty reasonable case but until I hear something more I'm unwilling to risk it. (Xelath gets 'yellow')
As far as I can see there is AT LEAST 1 scum probably 2 in the following:
SC, Majiffy, Darthe, Lurker and Myself
Given the 'green' status of Aj the E we can look at his/her wagon in a new light:
AJ 6 - Nostredeus,I Am Innocent,Aunt Jemina,qwints,SlySly,Lurker
Again at least 1 scum in:
Myself, AuntJ, Lurker.
Things aren't looking too hot for Lurker here... (Nor me, but given that I know my own alignment I'm not lynching myself.)
HoS: Lurker(Lurker gets 'red' from now on.)
Let's look at the Daumis lynch:
Daumis123 9- StrangerCoug,Nostredeus,Majiffy,Aj The Epic,Monkeyman,Lurker,Devotress,qwints,PereV
If we assume 2 scum on that lynch, which I'd say is reasonable, the other scum is in:
SC, Majiffy, Myself, Devotress, PereV.
The above added with the stuff I said in #1676 and the presumption that all PRs are clean leads me to believe the game state is:
StrangerCoug (If it's a 4 scum game both SC and Majiffy are dirty, if it's a 3 scum game 1 of them.)
Nostredeus (Me)
Majiffy (If it's a 4 scum game both SC and Majiffy are dirty, if it's a 3 scum game 1 of them.)
Aj The Epic (Cleared by quints, confirmed town.)
Lurker
Devotress
PereV (Claiming LD)
Aunt Jemina (Claiming Rolecop)
Darthe (Cleared by AuntJ)
Xelath (Claiming Town Vig)
Inte (Claiming Neighbouriser)
If we assume AuntJ is scum:
StrangerCoug (Either 1 or none of these 3.)
Nostredeus (Me)
Majiffy (Either 1 or none of these 3.)
Aj The Epic (Cleared by quints, confirmed town.)
Lurker
Devotress (Either 1 or none of these 3.)
PereV (Claiming LD)
Aunt Jemina (Claiming Rolecop)
Darthe (Cleared by AuntJ)
Xelath (Claiming Town Vig)
Inte (Claiming Neighbouriser)
We'll see what happens when I do this: VOTE: Lurker
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In post 1766, Yates wrote:In post 1757, Nostredeus wrote:Things aren't looking too hot for Lurker here... (Nor me, but given that I know my own alignment I'm not lynching myself.)
I had you as Town. So, you can imagine my disappointment when I read this post. How can you say "voting/doing X, Y, Z" is scummy "even though *I* did X, Y, and Z as Town?" It makes zero sense. You have just proven that your case is not valid because if you are being truthful about your alignment, you would know that Town could think the same way. This post only makes sense if you are scum trying to point out the TOWN members doing the same thing you are doing in an effort to get a mislynch.
This suddenly looks terrible.
Yeah you're right, as town I should only point out useful things that don't harm my own survival, that's a really good idea and I can't believe I didn't think of it; aim to survive as long as possible as opposed to scum hunt.
There's a reason I HoS'ed Lurker after making the point you have a problem with; it's suspicious but not conclusive, you do recognise it as suspicious right? My vote on the other hand was clearly cast in a separate part of the post with a very obvious intention and is not cast solely based on the content of that post.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 1778, Yates wrote:
This is not really a great reaction and also a misrep of my point. I clearly don't have a problem with people scum hunting. I *DO* have a problem with people using logic to catch scum that they should know is provably false. Saying "doing X is scummy" then "I did X" then "I am not scum" means that doing X is NOT scummy since you DID X and you claim you AREN'T scum. The logic falls apart and is, therefore, not a valid argument. These are the types of arguments scum try to sneak through which is why it is now affecting my read on you.
Ah I see, you just didn't read my post; I point out two wagons, I suggest at least 1 scum will probably be on both of them, I then say the only two people on both of them are me and Lurker, I then mention that I know my own alignment, therefore Lurker is likely to be scum. Now, the actual options for refuting that you can put forward are these:
-With regards to the second wagon I point out AuntJ might be scum instead of Lurker; my response to this refutation would be "unlikely".
-With regards to the first wagon there are many other options than Lurker; my response to this refutation would be "yes but i specifically say there is either 1 or 2 scum on that wagon and also say that the suspicion of Lurker comes from the correlation with the second wagon".
That should speed the next few posts up and put that one to bed, on to the mental shit which has happened in the last couple of pages:
Is lynching Darthe super foolproof?
Nope, why? Well there's clearly an option missing in post #1780:
5. Darthe flips vanilla town. AuntJ is as cleared as she currently is. We gain nothing, scum laughs at us for allowing that one to happen.
The only actually decent thing to come out of this herp derping is scum has at least 1 person on darthe right now, and it isn't Aj the E.
What Epic and I are saying is that we don't believe Darthe because this is NOT a bastard game.
If Darthe has a miller "like" role, he would have been told about his special status.
Since Darthe claims he wasn't told about any nonstandard caveats to his role, and AuntJ has cleared him as "vanilla," he can't be a miller.
Logic states that he must be scum. If AuntJ is actually a Town Rolecop, he is a regular goon - which would explain the vanilla result.
lul wut? Logic very much does not state that Darthe must be scum and I'm really keen for you to spell this one out for me. If this bit falls through then option 5 is a strong possibility and this is a really silly lynch.
@Mod: I voted for Lurker a while back just to be sure though:
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In post 1807, Yates wrote:In post 1806, Nostredeus wrote:Darthe flips vanilla town.
Okay. Since Darthe can't seem to answer this question and you seem to be ignoring it, can you respond to this on Darthe's behalf?
In post 1805, Yates wrote:I don't believe for a second that the mod is going to give YOU AND ONLY YOU a fictional character for a name without assigning you some type of role, be it scum or miller. If you were truly VT - as you allege - why wouldn't the mod would tell you "by the way, you are the only person with a fictional character as a name?" Can you explain this??
If you can give me a reason to believe there is ANY chance Darthe is actually VT, I would like to hear it.
I have literally no idea why Darthe is a fictional character; perhaps it's because James Bond has multiple actors, perhaps it's just to mess with you, regardless I really don't care since names have absolutely nothing to do with the game at all meaning Darthe had zero incentive to lie about the nameclaim.
Regarding the miller thing, this is clearly overly confused and pretty ridiculous; Darthe was the only fictitious name claim, Darthe then remarks that this makes him a name claim miller -note Darthe never claimed to have the PR "miller"-, when Darthe said that I simply took it as "I have a fictional character, this means that when I name claimed I looked different to other players, I am therefore essentially a name claim miller; someone who flips 'scummy' but isn't.".
It's really not a thing and given Darthe could have just claimed Daniel Craig and never had this problem I'm not seeing the scummy motivation here.
Darthe wrote:In post 815, Majiffy wrote:Lurker6 -Nostredeus,Aunt Jemina, ,qwints,Xelath,Daumis123,SlySly
I'll be checking the three unknowns on this wagon either later tonight or tomorrow. Lurker wagon stalled because scum was already on it.
This caught my eye.
Yup, when the entire wagon is looking town you've got to ask yourself if Lurker is too, you also have to ask yourself what this means for Majiffy; does it make him/her more town or less?
If there are 4 or 5 scum in this game we're done, I'm holding out all hope for 3 or 4.
@AuntJ/PV/Yates: Were you three all in a neighbourhood last night? Did you co-ordinate night actions?Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 1853, Majiffy wrote:In post 1850, Devotress wrote:The mod wouldn't even have to give scum fakeclaims, as it says in big bold red at the start of the first post:Special rule - Anyone can be scum or town, someone evil in real life could be town, someone nice could be scum. This was randomly generated.
The important part being "This list was randomly generated"
This has to do with "good" and "evil" being alignment based, but doesn't say anything as to the actual person in regards to their notoriety and their proclivity towards a PR. For example, I could have the following list;
Hitler
Charles Manson
Superman
Bill Clinton
Che Guevara
Now they could be of any alignment, sure. But let's say - for the sake of simplification - they're all town. Hitler and Superman would definitely rank higher in terms of notoriety than would, say, Bill Clinton or Charlie Manson. Perhaps in the US these names are household, but what if you're in Portugal? I doubt Charlie Manson is a household name in Portugal. Hitler, on the other hand, probably is. Thus, since it appears the more notorious trend towards PRs, I'd find Hitler more likely a PR than Charlie Manson. This has nothing to do with alignment, and thus is not whatsoever held to the statement you quoted in regards to random selection.
At this point, it becomes obvious that safeclaims are still necessary.
Just when I thought his wagon couldn't reach any further... If ANY of this post turns out to be true then the mod flat out lied about the random allocation, either scum/PRs were actively given the more notorious characters or they were randomly assigned; I'm gunna go ahead and trust the mod.
Can we all stop being bonkers for at least the next 3 pages?
@AuntJ: Yet again... Who did you investigate last night, what was the result?
@Yates/Pere: If AuntJ doesn't answer the above please do so for her.
In post 1860, Darthe wrote:Dev yates Coug Lurk.
I've basically come to the same conclusion with a toss up between Yates/Majiffy.
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In post 1867, Majiffy wrote:In post 1863, PeregrineV wrote:
There are two dead name claims and one that's not real. What does that mean?
Relevancy, please. I'm referring to notoriety, not living v. dead. The argument was simplified to illustrate a single point.
I'm going to consider this question slightly scummy for a multitude of reasons.
In post 1865, Nostredeus wrote:Just when I thought his wagon couldn't reach any further... If ANY of this post turns out to be true then the mod flat out lied about the random allocation, either scum/PRs were actively given the more notorious characters or they were randomly assigned; I'm gunna go ahead and trust the mod.
No, this is not true. ALIGNMENT was what was specifically being referred to in the original quoted statement by the mod. In my illustration, notoriety can play a part in distribution of weighted roles without the mod having lied.
Way too much of a reach for me to even entertain the idea of basing a lynch on it.Thor665 is the beard king.
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Not an alt.
A lot of this stuff is totally unimportant, however Darthe has said true things those true things have been genuine Darthe is almost certainly town.
If Xelath is scum we're done, I'm flat out hoping to god he/she isn't because if that's the case this is over and it wont matter what we do, I'm therefore putting Xelath in the town box.
@AuntJ: You are going to get yourself lynched, which is fraking irritating because I'm almost sure you are town (or at least hoping so); stop it ffs.
People I can see a lynch on today:
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In post 1922, Yates wrote:In post 1921, Nostredeus wrote:So that plan is essentially dead in the water until you get round to fixing it, aka answering those questions I had.
I thought I had addressed your concerns but here it is in a nutshell:
In post 1806, Nostredeus wrote:-With regards to the second wagon I point out AuntJ might be scum instead of Lurker; my response to this refutation would be "unlikely".
-With regards to the first wagon there are many other options than Lurker; my response to this refutation would be "yes but i specifically say there is either 1 or 2 scum on that wagon and also say that the suspicion of Lurker comes from the correlation with the second wagon".
I see where you are coming from. I fundamentally agree with your point about the scum makeup of the wagon [though that is a hypothesis and clearly not fact]. What I *don't* have is the confirmation bias you have regarding your own role. Essentially you are setting this up as a 1 vs 1 [You vs. Lurker] on a day we are perilously close to lylo and basing this case on a LOT of supposition that is unverifiable.
It's not confirmation bias, it's an actual confirmation; I can physically see what my alignment is, I'm not biased into assuming I'm town I know I'm town. The ONLY reaction to have to this situation is to lynch either me, Lurker or AuntJ if you agree, you're not trying to lynch one of us and that's looking really bad for you.
In post 1806, Nostredeus wrote:Logic very much does not state that Darthe must be scum and I'm really keen for you to spell this one out for me.
1. We all know Darthe is claiming to be VT.
Yup
2. We all know Darthe is the only person claiming to be a fictional character.
Yup
3. We all know Darthe has since claimed to be "like" a name claim miller.
Yup
4. We all know Darthe claimed the mod didn't tell him about any special conditions of his role.
Yup
5. *I* know the special conditions of *MY* role were clearly spelled out.
Yup
6. We all know AuntJ is claiming to have investigated him and returned VT.
Yup
7. We all know this is a nonbastard game.
Yup
Supposition in my case:
1. I suspect AuntJ, PV, and Xelath can verify that special conditions of their roles were sent to them in their role PM.
2. I suspect Darthe would have been told if he was being set up in the even of a name claim only.
3. I suspect this would have occurred because he is right about one thing - if his name claim were to stand out as it does, he WOULD BE effectively a miller.
Supposition number 1 can be verified like this:
@AuntJ, PV, and Xelathcan you verify that special conditions of your roles were sent to you in your role PM? Thanks.
I attempted to verify supposition number 2.
Spoiler:
I have yet to see a case that would invalidate my supposition - especially taking site meta into account. So at this point it is as close to fact as you can get without mod verification.
Supposition 3 is really an extension of supposition 2.
Are any of these details misleading or inaccurate?
Stuff you still have to do:
1) Explain why in a game where Darthe received his name randomly this would have any relevance.
2) Explain why you think Darthe is claiming to be a PR.
3) If you can't do 2 then please explain why getting other PRs to confirm how their role PMs worked tells you anything about Darthe.
4) Why isn't it plausible that Darthe is a VT, AuntJ is legit and Darthe is James Bond?
5) Why don't all of your points 1-7 allow for (4)?Thor665 is the beard king.
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Yeah so I think you guys are way off base with this:
1 Isn't true.
2 Isn't true.
3 Isn't true due to 2 not being true.
4 Is true but w.e
5 Is false because I saw the opportunity to make a logical paradox, nerdgasm.
@Mod: Any chance we can get a clarification on your opening post?
1) Is name flavor randomly assigned?
2) Are roles randomly assigned?
3) Is alignment randomly assigned?
If you can't answer those questions then any clarification you can make on the premise of the game/the OP would be welcome; games decided by player interpretation of OPs make everyone sad
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Lurker claim, I want no shit in your response just an I am *insert role here* and who you protected each night, give us shit and you die k thnx?
AuntJ cut the shit and tell us who you targeted last night.
Devotress we're not lynching AuntJ.
Yates is feeling more town.
Votes on Lurker are good, votes on Devotress are less so but I can get behind it.
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Yeah fuck this noise... Someone do what AuntJ should have.
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True Story... In opposite land.
In post 2018, Lurker wrote:#1. It was kind of said in post #588 (on this page) http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p4533787]post 588
That I was supposed to claim from among the power roles, so I did. Since AuntJ was the first to claim, It seemed just legit enough for me to protect her that night.
I figured that there may be a Jailkeeper to balance out 3 investigative roles.
Yeah fine, whatever you had no better option N1.
#2 Now the first thing that made me switch from AuntJ Was the fact that she was part of running a 6-figure wagon on me earlier. I figured that since the other power roles were dying that I would need to switch from the obvious to attempt to stop a kill. I also saw that a lie detector could investigate 2 people or more at a time, having a greater potential for catching mafia.
lul wud der fwuk. Explain to me in step by step English, not this poetry riddle shit, why you protecting qwints when no one knew of your existence is something the mafia should have been able to anticipate never mind stop?
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In post 2025, Devotress wrote:@Darthe if we were to lynch a claimed power role today, who would be your choice?
Er lol? Why would you ask that? Seriously this feels properly scum motivated. There are at least 3 scum (likely 4) in this game, if I'm not one of them (which I obviously don't think I am) then at least 1 of the un-partially-cleared VTs is scum; that's you, Majiffy or SC. (Alternatively 3/4 of the PRs are scum, but if that's the case it's AuntJ, Yates, Lurker and Pere/Xelath which is mental and I'm sad panda at how much they're going to clean our arses out with barbed wire if it is true.)
@Devotress: Why wouldn't I take out the scummiest of that trio? Why wouldn't I let scum take a punt at a PR and let Lurker take a punt at protecting one? Why would I even entertain the possibility of lynching a PR and then having one NK'ed versus just having one NK'ed?
Mental shit is flying around again I see.
So:
The current PRs get a free pass for now.
That leaves: Majiffy, Myself, Devotress, Darthe, or SC.
Ruling out myself and Darthe there's Devotress, Majiffy and SC.
@All: Choosing between them leaves me troubled, I'd like thoughts on those 5 players (I think 1/almost certainly 2/possibly 3, are scum.)
The doc claim proving to be true tells us stuff such as; AuntJ and Pere were not targeted by scum N1/N2.Thor665 is the beard king.
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You gave two reasons for why you protected Pere:
The first was to somehow avoid "the obvious to attempt to stop a kill"; I'm asking what you mean.
The second is just untrue since when night began you knew Pere hadn't done the required set-up to investigate two people at once; so please explain that thought process also.-
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In post 1949, Devotress wrote:I've thought about it and decided Darthe is probably scum. I don't know how I feel about the other people on his wagon, because I've got some scum reads in there.
BUT, I have a hard time believing a town player would give so few shits that they can't even be bothered to remember what they posted literally 2 posts previously. A scum who is lying has an easier time forgetting their own stance and words by mistake.
vote Darthe
In post 2137, Devotress wrote:For the record, I am not okay with the way Yates and my arguement ended yesterday.
I am okay with lynching Majiffy though.
Vote Majiffy
Dat meatspin right there + the previous stuff on Devotress in definitely a tell one way or the other.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2159, Aunt Jemina wrote:Grinny, deary,
Jiffy's youthful posting habits make it incredibly difficult to create a case. Bigger iso is not better, as there is only so much information this old lady can process.In post 2147, PeregrineV wrote:@AuntJ-
Please to add a little burn to the flapjacks, as per request.
In post 2128, PeregrineV wrote:@AuntJ-If you have a Majiffy scumread still,then let's see you start backing it up and pushing it.Because if not him, and no one else gives a reason to override my previous reads, then it will be you.
I have already fed the fire with as much fuel as I have to give. I have explained my sweet-reads which have led to Jiffy being sour by POE, and I have given the elements of Jiffy's play in general which make him look like scum. If you wish, I can quote everything on him in one post.
It's this frak stack that almost, and might still, get you lynched. :/Thor665 is the beard king.
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Oh most def', but I'm not seeing it happening tbh.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2183, Yates wrote:I hate you people.
Damn it man! You had the perfect opportunity to quote this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtKt2YJOnLAThor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2187, Devotress wrote:He's been convinced Darthe is town for quite a while now. I'm not exactly sure why. Might just be the AuntJ investigation saying he's vanilla?
How about we go ahead and allow me the chance to respond to a question directed at me? You just look a) silly, b) like you haven't read the case against you c) sketchy for putting words in someone's mouth.
To answer: #1676, #1757; also certain players have reacted badly to a Devotress wagon and certain other players have reacted positively.
But more generally let's be honest here, there is at least 2 scum chilling in the VTs right now.
Nostredeus, Majiffy, Devotress, StrangerCoug, Darthe
I'm not lynching myself.
Majiffy, Devotress, StrangerCoug, Darthe
I therefore think half of the above players are scum and half town; now it's just a case of working out who.
If Darthe is VT then Scum in this game are almost certainly: Devotress, Lurker, StrangerCoug, Majiffy.
Darthe I personally think is VT but if he's not then scum in this game are almost certainly: Devotress, Lurker, AuntJ, Darthe.
Devotress is a sure fire scum lynch imo; we could really do with one.
For what it's worth lynching and having Darthe flip VT is fine by me; losing a VT sucks but we're lylo either way tomorrow and this locks in my lynch list so w.e really.Thor665 is the beard king.
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I've given reasoning for why Devotress is on both so I'll skip that.
Tonight sorts out Lurker's alignment but I've also given reasoning there so I'll skip that.
With regards to the second list if Darthe is scum it should be obvious why AuntJ is too, so that's done.
That just leaves the first list and why SC and Majiffy are on it.
-Straight up PoE, in this specific situation; Pere is clean, AuntJ is clean, Aj the E is clean, Darthe is clean, Xelath is clean - That leaves SC, Majiffy and Yates.
The real chat is between Majiffy and Yates for the 4th scumslot, but that's way, way down the road.
Come to think of it I can probably do this:Vote: Darthe
With the express proviso that I expect this to be a VT flip and am only endorsing this for the information it provides.-
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In post 2201, Aj The Epic wrote:In post 2174, Nostredeus wrote:
Oh most def', but I'm not seeing it happening tbh.
I, unfortunately, am growing tired of all this wifom Nostre is playing. Every time I look, he plays this almost reverse "I'm town" card by going out of his way to admit to stuff like this. This appears to be a draw tactic to keep votes off of him, almost as if he's gone one step farther back from saying "I'm town" to saying "I'm potential scum" as a defense for himself so others feel more comfortable about his position. He's been doing this the whole game, but this post was the first that I really looked at and went "Oh god, we've missed him this long...". I'm about ready to tie him up. If he flips scum, it almost certainly clears Darthe, as he almost just tried to tie himself closer to darthe, who is/was about to get lynched.
Or, and here's a batshit insane idea, I actually think Darthe is town, whuuuuuut right?
Majiffy I gave reasoning for all members of those lists in those two posts, if you can't see that then *shrug*.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2203, Majiffy wrote:In post 2202, Nostredeus wrote:Majiffy I gave reasoning for all members of those lists in those two posts, if you can't see that then *shrug*.
What the actual fuck is this.
It's probably the truth.
If you really want you could name a person from either list that I apparently haven't explained and I'll quote the relevant parts of those two posts; I quite enjoy making sarky players look silly.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2206, Majiffy wrote:Or rather, before you give me a headache for continuing to not explain:
In post 2188, Nostredeus wrote:If Darthe is VT then Scum in this game are almost certainly: Devotress, Lurker, StrangerCoug, Majiffy.
Darthe I personally think is VT but if he's not then scum in this game are almost certainly: Devotress, Lurker, AuntJ, Darthe.
Explain why Darthe VT means, individually;
Devo scum(Devo is scum for reasons stated regardless of darthe's alignment, I've spent the last week and a half trying to drag you all kicking and screaming to that but sadly scum have a big presence in the game. I can quote my reasoning for this, yet again, if you really need me too...)
Lurker scum(Lurker is also scum for reasons stated regardless of darthe's alignment, the doc claim is terrible and we'll know one way or the other about Lurker after tonight. I can quote my reasoning for this if you really need me to...)
SC scum(PoE: It's not Aj, Darthe being VT probably means AuntJ VT so it's not AuntJ, it's not Pere, it's not Xelath, it's not me; that leaves SC, majiffy and Yates.)
Myself scum(PoE: It's not Aj, Darthe being VT probably means AuntJ VT so it's not AuntJ, it's not Pere, it's not Xelath, it's not me; that leaves SC, majiffy and Yates. We can discuss who we kill out of majiffy/Yates once we're down to them, there's chat to be had there I think.)
Explain why Darthe scum means, individually;
Devo scum(As above)
Lurker scum(As above)
AuntJ scum(If you honestly need this answering there's no hope for you in life never mind this game...)
We'll kill Darthe, he'll flip VT; we'll know how derp everyone was, we'll kill Lurker once we can all see how fakeclaim he is, then bump off Devotress, then SC, then decide between Yates/Majiffy. Then celebrate.
Alternatively Darthe might flip scum, lol, and we'll kill AuntJ, then Devotress, then Lurker and all celebrate.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2215, Yates wrote:In post 2214, Nostredeus wrote:We'll kill Darthe, he'll flip VT; we'll know how derp everyone was, we'll kill Lurker once we can all see how fakeclaim he is, then bump off Devotress, then SC, then decide between Yates/Majiffy. Then celebrate.
If at least one of Darthe/AuntJ isn't scum, I will buy you a pony and change my sig to anything you want for a month to show how right you were and how wrong I was...
Same scenario if Darthe flips secret miller or something like that, btw.In post 2214, Nostredeus wrote:Alternatively Darthe might flip scum, lol, and we'll kill AuntJ, then Devotress, then Lurker and all celebrate.
If you think this is likely, do me a solid and tell me what information you think lynching Darthe gets us?Thor665 is the beard king.
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Majiffy wrote:Hey...
Hey Nos...
Hey...
WHEN I ASK YOU FOR REASONS, DON'T SAY "OH I CAN GO QUOTE THAT IF YOU REALLY WANT", JUST FUCKING DO SO. THANKS.
God you're intolerable.
Whoops, my bad, I thought you'd have the ability to click back a page and scroll up; sadly not here you go:
This is you asking a question in post 2189...
In post 2189, Majiffy wrote:Can you explain the thinking behind each list?
Here's the response, exactly 1 post previous in 2188...
In post 2188, Nostredeus wrote:In post 2187, Devotress wrote:He's been convinced Darthe is town for quite a while now. I'm not exactly sure why. Might just be the AuntJ investigation saying he's vanilla?
How about we go ahead and allow me the chance to respond to a question directed at me? You just look a) silly, b) like you haven't read the case against you c) sketchy for putting words in someone's mouth.
To answer: #1676, #1757; also certain players have reacted badly to a Devotress wagon and certain other players have reacted positively.
But more generally let's be honest here, there is at least 2 scum chilling in the VTs right now.
Nostredeus, Majiffy, Devotress, StrangerCoug, Darthe
I'm not lynching myself.
Majiffy, Devotress, StrangerCoug, Darthe
I therefore think half of the above players are scum and half town; now it's just a case of working out who.
If Darthe is VT then Scum in this game are almost certainly: Devotress, Lurker, StrangerCoug, Majiffy.
Darthe I personally think is VT but if he's not then scum in this game are almost certainly: Devotress, Lurker, AuntJ, Darthe.
Devotress is a sure fire scum lynch imo; we could really do with one.
For what it's worth lynching and having Darthe flip VT is fine by me; losing a VT sucks but we're lylo either way tomorrow and this locks in my lynch list so w.e really.
In post 2188, Nostredeus wrote:In post 2187, Devotress wrote:He's been convinced Darthe is town for quite a while now. I'm not exactly sure why. Might just be the AuntJ investigation saying he's vanilla?
How about we go ahead and allow me the chance to respond to a question directed at me? You just look a) silly, b) like you haven't read the case against you c) sketchy for putting words in someone's mouth.
To answer: #1676, #1757; also certain players have reacted badly to a Devotress wagon and certain other players have reacted positively.
In post 2188, Nostredeus wrote:
To answer: #1676, #1757; also certain players have reacted badly to a Devotress wagon and certain other players have reacted positively.
In post 2188, Nostredeus wrote:
#1676, #1757; also certain players have reacted badly to a Devotress wagon and certain other players have reacted positively.
Oh look it was there after all, so fraking stupid it hurts...
Can you all stop being disgustingly slow and either recognise Darthe is a VT and lynch Devotress or get on with lynching Darthe, this is becoming really dull.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2223, StrangerCoug wrote:I'm starting to have questions about Nostredeus's vague answers.
I'm shocked.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2230, Aj The Epic wrote:In post 2178, jasonT1981 wrote:Majiffy 3 -PeregrineV,AuntJ,Devotress,
Aunt J 3 -Xelath,Lurker,AJ
Darthe 3- ,Yates,StrangerCoug,Majiffy,
Look, we've got three wagons going. Why would we start a fourth, Nos? This is bad to have so many wagons going at once. To be honest, one of these has to be scum. I'm leaning away from the Darthe wagon, and more to Majiffy if we had to lynch one of these (But I still think that Auntie J's alignment is a fraud, her role is not). I think Nostre in his last few posts has just proven himself scum. I also know that he's not on Darthe's alignment (day 1 makes that clear). Anybody want to take down the highest possible chance for scum with me and take out Nostre? I don't want to start another counter wagon to sit it at two or three, but if some people want to help me, let's string up Nostre today. His actions this whole game have been weird, with these indirect responses and the constant "I'm town in a scenario where you generally find scum".
Town win if: You lynch Devotress or Darthe then actually do what Darthe/I are suggesting.
Town lose if: You lynch me then decide "oh well Nos and Darthe just must be on different alignments so Darthe is for sure scum *insert derplynch here* oh shit we lost."
If you're on the AuntJ or majiffy wagon get off of it and do something useful.
This game needs to end.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2228, StrangerCoug wrote:In post 2224, Nostredeus wrote:Can you all stop being disgustingly slow and either recognise Darthe is a VT and lynch Devotress or get on with lynching Darthe, this is becoming really dull.
This is really suspect. It's like you know Darthe will flip VT, yet you advocate both him and Devotress, whom the wording implies you think is scummier, for the lynch. Why are you doing this, even as a compromise?
FoS: Nostredeus
Devotress is a sure fire scum lynch, people don't want to lynch devotress they want to lynch Darthe or AuntJ; I'd rather the former of those two since devotress is off the table. It's really not that complicated, though I can see why you'd want to paint it as such.Thor665 is the beard king.
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In post 2236, Yates wrote:@Nos-Also, you should be voting Darthe and support your plan. Just saying.
I am; see: #2190
But just in case that got missed:
VOTE: DartheThor665 is the beard king.
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