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I'm finally back after a horribly long absence. I was having some weird problems on MS.net logging in and posting (I was posting from the future), read the 2 threads devoted to my problems in the help forum for details. Thanks to those who have alerted people to my problems. I'll respond to everything tomorrow.Blank.-
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I think Frit's question is an interesting and valid one.
If I was anti-town killer, I'd kill the most pro-town person. If I was town killer, I'd kill scum or I'll not kill. So that way we know who everyone thinks is most pro-townish, or most scummish.
I won't vote anyone yet since our mod isn't ready. And I intend to vote a lurker anyway at this point, but I assume al_ko will be prodding them.Blank.-
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I think this question is valid. Thesp, whoever responded to your questions would seem like a scumbag. Therefore it can be read as an attempt to frame someone. That's the reason for the question.Thesp wrote:
I find it interesting that you are particularly concerned with not sounding like a scumbag.HurriKaty wrote:I just want to know how ANYONE is supposed to respond to these questions without seeming like an absolute scumbag.
Why bother explaining your unvote?[/quote]HurriKaty wrote:Btw, Unvote, as we're past the random voting stage now.
What the...? I'd rather have people who explain things clearly than people who can't be read at all.Blank.-
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I agree. CPE has not mentioned Zindaras at all in his claim. Like Illumina, I don't really see the reason for voting Zindaras.
I see STD as someone who is running around throwing suspicion on everyone, possibly in an attempt to muddy up the waters. He also conveniently added that not trusting bit about the cop claim.
Is TEOM even around? A prod might be neceesary.Blank.-
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I agree. CPE has not mentioned Zindaras at all in his claim. Like Illumina, I don't really see the reason for voting Zindaras.
I see STD as someone who is running around throwing suspicion on everyone, possibly in an attempt to muddy up the waters. He also conveniently added that not trusting bit about the cop claim.
vote: STD
Is TEOM even around? A prod might be neceesary.Blank.-
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Responses first.
Summary of why dahen's voting for me.
1) SV following STD voting on TSQ.
2) lack of contribution
3) Distancing from STD
1) Well, yes, I did vote TSQ based on STD's reasons. But STD's reasons for voting TSQ was TSQ making a contradiction (post 38). I thought that was a valid reason for a vote. This also happened in page 2 early game, where there was no other scum tell.
2) My response to Fritz's question: You left out the bit where I said planned to vote a lurker. Implication: I didn't think anyone was patricularly scummy to warrant a vote.
Reasons for my absolutely horrible inactivity:
- First I was having a problem logging in and posting. I think Yos helped me post about it in vacation thread. Problem was solved.
- Then I had a weird time stamp problem, where I was posting from the future, then I was barred from posting. BA and pablito posted evidence of this in 2 threads in the help forum.
- Mafia had 2 crashes. I had term papers due during the first, and school exams during the 2nd. It was very hard to catch up with everything after that... I still haven't caught up with everything.
- Proof and evidence all scattered around the site. Check the posts of any game I'm in and you'll see the same horrible activity in the same time period.
3) I voted for STD mainly because of his vote-hopping. Also look at the timing of the vote. CPE has just revealed his cop claim. I was simply trying to point out another person whom we could discuss in lieu of CPE.
Here's my reason for unvoting STD. I don't think we should oust a revealed role day 1.
More about others in the next post.Blank.-
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About CPE:
HK's role isn't cop. HE knows only their role name or occupation. he doesn't get to find out their alignment. (Unless occupation = alignment? I don't really know what occupation is.) So it's possible that CPE is really a cop. Also since this is a large theme, it's possible to have more than 1 kind of cop. I don't think CPE is the play for today.
About half-claiming:
HK's actions here make sense. Considering he's claiming a pro-town power role, it's possible that he didn't want to claim fully. By saying he's copish, he could've split the scum's attention between CPE and himself, which I think is a pro-townish move.
I'm a little confused over the Zindaras and TEOM issue. If I've gotten this right, Zindaras has claimed that TEOM is town. TEOM denied any knowledge of it => TEOM and Zindaras aren't masons. While I'm suspicious as to Zindaras's role, I can't think of a reason why scum would reveal someone to be town, since it narrows down the lynch pool.
Dahen: You pointed out that Illumina stated the obvious without a theory. I disagree. Now that we know about HK, I think Illumina's post 280 about Thesp and Thok was a good analysis of who did what and how, and I think these two deserve anFOS. That disproves your point. I'll take another look at the two, but my vote will be on one of them.Blank.-
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As a replacement, I thought it'll make common sense to spend time reading the game over. I generally don't trust other people to tell me what went on. While I wasn't hoping for a miracle, I hoped to at leat have a few scum vibes.
Dahen: Probably it's because in your PBPA you added comments like: I think SV is scummy here, but I'll wait and see. That swings it from neutral PBPA to a case on me. Coupled with the vote at the end.
That underlined bit is where I misunderstood I think. I was under the impression you thought STD + SV = scum.dahen wrote: I don't see a distancing voting coming at this point, soI have to leave the Spectrumvoid+STD pair as scums
I'm not keen on a lurker lynch for today, I think we have a couple of other candidates to choose from which will give us more information for tomorrow.
My thoughts on Olio + Zindaras: I think either one or the other is scum. I don't see a scum pairing for this one, mainly because of the way they're accusing each other. I agree with the scum tells that the 2 of them have made, but they're currently equal in my LOS. While Olio wanted to lynch EOM, Zindaras wanted to lynch for the sake of a lynch. While Olio didn't respond satisfactorily, Zindaras been confusing regarding the 2 cops.
The person I don't want to lynch right now is TSQ. Simply because I don't think he's more scummy than the other two.Blank.-
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I'm confused over the whole thing, but here's my best guess: I'd say TSQ could be an SK. Reason being there were 4 kills N1, and 3 N2. Correct me if I'm wrong because I've never been an SK, but I think if TSQ is an SK and died, I don't think he can kill. With that in mind, I believe investigation findings over the church.Blank.-
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Zindaras
Post 358: Zindaras says he's been getting 'pings' from TSQ, yet he admits that he's voting TSQ because he doesn't want to die.
Post 359: Then he votes TSQ, because 'olio's not getting lynched.'
There has also been mention of his scummy behaviour earlier, which I have agreed with.
Dahen
Post 361 has dahen voting TSQ because 'nothing happened.' Hopping on wagon?Blank.-
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Same.
Clarification of the 1st quote:
358-9: Zindie. 361: dahen.
I asked that question hoping someone would actually respond. Helloooo... only 2 people posting in 2 days? Since when was trying to get discussion started scummy?
I still don't like your reasoning. Basically you were willing to lynch TSQ, not because he was on top of your LOS, but because you didn't want Zin to die. That just reeks of scumminess, and it felt like you were using the deadline as an excuse to hop on.Blank.-
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I didn't realise my post was full of negative words, apologies. I wasn't specifically trying to accuse anyone because I realised no one was around (except for that one lone soul), but yes, I was assuming everyone in general for not being active.
I am satisfied with dahen's response and Zindaras's clarification regarding the deadline TSQ issue.Blank.-
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This is a contradiction, I think. Thok says he thinks CPE is scummy, but he doesn't want to lynch him today. Thesp says he agrees with Thok, but he votes CPE. Hm...Thesp wrote:
I could go with this.Thok wrote:It is conceivable the CPE is scum, or perhaps some type of scum cop. That said, I'm not convinced that CPE is worth lynching today; if he's got a chance to kill scum, I say let him do so and make scum panic over how to deal with him.Unvote: CPE, Unvote: CPE.He should not be allowed to the endgame, of course. Fairly lost otherwise.Blank.-
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I do not see how 'forgetting' information can possibly be town behaviour.creampuffeater wrote:I targetted STD, because I believed that StD was acting a bit differently than he was in times where I have seen him be town. It was a very slight thing, and I wanted to see if I was correct. As I said earlier,I had forgotten about the fact that he was not scum from Huri. If I had remembered that fact, I probably would not have targetted him. My action works in that I pour holy water on somebody, and if they are clean, nothing happens. While if they are scum, they will become a pile of ashes.
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*picks up prod*
Nothing new to add.spectrumvoid wrote:
I do not see how 'forgetting' information can possibly be town behaviour.creampuffeater wrote:I targetted STD, because I believed that StD was acting a bit differently than he was in times where I have seen him be town. It was a very slight thing, and I wanted to see if I was correct. As I said earlier,I had forgotten about the fact that he was not scum from Huri. If I had remembered that fact, I probably would not have targetted him. My action works in that I pour holy water on somebody, and if they are clean, nothing happens. While if they are scum, they will become a pile of ashes.
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I thought day was over.
SV for wagoning?
[quote="spectrumvoid"][quote="creampuffeater"]I targetted STD, because I believed that StD was acting a bit differently than he was in times where I have seen him be town. It was a very slight thing, and I wanted to see if I was correct. As I said earlier,I had forgotten about the fact that he was not scum from Huri. If I had remembered that fact, I probably would not have targetted him. My action works in that I pour holy water on somebody, and if they are clean, nothing happens. While if they are scum, they will become a pile of ashes.[/quote]
I do not see how 'forgetting' information can possibly be town behaviour.
vote: CPE[/quote]
Compared to:
[quote="CrashTextDummie"]Seems like no one else is seeing my point about dahen, so I might as well help lynch CPE.
Unvote, Vote: CPE[/quote]
[quote="Zindaras"]The stalling, the stalling!
Unvote, vote: cpe
I don't think I can bear any more of this.[/quote]
[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Unvote, Vote: cpe
Because there's nothing better then a good old bandwagon now and then...[/quote]Blank.-
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Mod: Might I suggest a prod on CTD? This is because I know he's generally not around mafia, he's been missing a ton of other games as well. Faster prod = faster replacement.
Hi Skruffs!
I don't think Fritzler is the lynch for today. He's cleared by our dead (and hence confirmed) paladin. I don't think insanity is an issue here, I'm more interested in trying to figure out who's right and who's wrong with regards to alignment.Blank.-
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Skruffs wrote:IF fritzler is a vig he is nightkillable, if he is mafia he is nightkillable (unless he's godfather) and if he is an SK he may or may not be nightkillable, right? In any case, if there's a doctor, they should ignore fritzler tonight... not to go all 'trial by fire' but if he's alive in the morning thanunvoteBlank.-
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I'm back.
I'm not getting anything about the cases for TS and Zindybuns. Zindybuns for... being paranoid? TS for getting his vote stolen?
Where's blackberrry's case for dahen protown? I must've missed it somewhere.
Blackberry don't post in caps please.
Have we ever heard from dahen ever?
LOS:
Fritz, thesp, Dahen.
Fritz for the AK thing, thesp for the vote-stealing thing, dahen for his off-claim.
Scope and blackberry are probably just being dumb.
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I'd just like to point out that being voted by your scum buddy could very well be distancing, and following the wagon could be an attempt to hide the scum-buddy relationship. (Note that I have yet to reread the entire thread wrt dahen, so this could be crap. I also need to check exactly where did he put on his vote.)Blackberry wrote: 8. dahen (Formerly marli)
* voted by scum (Bogre)
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I am so dead because I work tomorrow and I'm going to miss the deadline. Mod, any chance of extending it since we need a replacement for scope? And where's dahen/klebian? (I checked the last 2 pages, and these are the 2 who haven't posted.)
What are the deadline rules? If the deadline's not extended, I'm stating frankly here that I'm basically going to vote for whoever has the most votes if the rules is a no-lynch if no majority. I will not vote for TS though.Blank.-
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I took a quick check.
[quote="Toaster Strudel"]It's official, someone stole my vote yesterday.
On another topic. Obviously, Fritzler is scum.
vote: Fritzler[/quote]
[quote="al_kohaulec"]Vote Count!
Fritzler- 2 - Zindaras, Thesp
Klebian- 1 - KaleiÐoscøpe
Those who are still lost – 7 – Skruffs, dahen, Toaster Strudel, Klebian, Fritzler, SpectrumVoid, CrashTextDummie
10 alive, 6 to lynch.[/quote]
Yep.
By the way, I made my post earlier where I clarified that I was asking if it would be majority-lynch at deadline or no lynch if we don't have 6 on the wagon. I also talked a little about Fritz. Did anyone see it?Blank.-
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For the record, I do not like a Skruffs lynch for today. It's the speed of the wagon that's bugging me.
Why doesn't anyone think Thesp is scummy? Can a vote stealer be pro-town? I don't think TS was scummy enough to warrant having his votes stolen 2x in a row. The only way I can see thesp being pro-town is if he steals the vote of a scummy person.Blank.-
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dahen: I'm not saying that I think scum-Fritzler murdered Zindaras. I'm saying that since Zindaras was pretty much gunning for Fritzler quite a bit yesterday, it could have been something to do with his role. I'm not too sure what a psychic does, I'll check it out the moment I get flash.
Our day and night deaths have the church and the police coming to the same conclusion. I haven't thought of anything yet, but it might be significant.
I need to go have a read at what exactly did Zindaras say. I looked at my notes before I voted but my computer crashed.Blank.-
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