Space Monkey Mafia: GAME OVER!

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Mr Stoofer: Pooky has disappeared. I've gotten sick of prodding him too.

Yes, I am replacing Phoebus. Unfortunately, I had to rush out some homework that I'd forgotten about. I'll post more tomorrow.

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I kept track of this game before the crash when I asked for a chance to replace in. Then I lost track of it for a while due to crashes and internet problems. Here's my summary (with no analysis at all) from where I caught up.

End of Day 2 Vote Count

inHimshallibe: 8 (Twito, STD, Fritzler, klebian, CES, Pooky, Masterchief, Glork)
petroleumjelly: 2 (inHimshallibe, Thok)
Twito: 1 (Phoebus)
Glork: 1 (petroleumjelly)

InHim = Gorilla.

Night 3: Zindaras (Gorilla) killed.

PJ: Possibly 2 scum groups, alternate killing nights, or one group was stopped from killing every night. #1: BIRD and IN.
G votes PJ, FOS MC.
G: rather lynch PJ and KLE, after THOK says CES is better lynch, votes CES.
dahen says may not have 2 killing groups.

VC --> CES: 5 (Thok, petroleumjelly, Glork, dahen, STD)

MC: Why CES?
TWT: votes MC.
MC votes TWT.
PK votes CES.
KLE: Case against CES: short posts, wagoning, not hammering because they've been worse offenders (PB, PK, FZ). FOS DAH for wagoning CES without reason. FOS G and STD for changing votes
THK: KLE is part of informed minority.
PK: PK will get KLE.
MC votes CES.
THK: wagon isn't about CES playstyle, it's about him being informed minority.

VC --> CES (space monkey): 7 (Thok, PJ, G, dahen, STD, PK, FZ)
DAH: no night kill, but shouldn't be happy cos only gorillas die.
THK: will wait for people to show up before talking.
FZ: no idea what's going on.
PJ votes G.
G: nothing to be confused about if you're part of uninformed majority. what does PJ think of lynch?
PJ: Confusing because THK led mislynch on CES, called it excellent. Town is prone to wagoning. Gorillas are not scum and space monkeys are?
G: Is PJ gorilla or sm?
NS: figured it out.

PJ 530: Totally confused. Claim: Gorilla soldier, scum, no night choices. Scum group is stupid, MBL and Z had same role, nightkilled. Z speculated about traitor roles, was obviously scum. Scum group should have tried to find him, but Z was killed. PJ left hint. Unvotes G.
sm = informed minority, gorillas = uninformed majority, probably no group of gorillas searching for anybody.
Stoofer lying about flavour. 'Small number of gorillas, gorillas are org, sm no weapons (informed minority of sm), only lynch can kill gorillas, but 2 gorillas nightkilled.'

G: sm are scum, gorillas are town. sm knew this. scum would prevent people from finding things out, z was killed because he was talking about traitors. G made case against PJ, said gorilla town sm scum coincidence, PJ zoomed in on that and shot it down, pursued BIRD, IN, G, PJ trying to keep lynches rolling. Believe claim.
- G Votes MC for wanting IN lynch.
- Multiple scum groups because sm doctor killed, but only 1 kill per night.
- Pressure lurkers.

PJ: Yes, wanted lynches because PJ thought PJ was scum. Everyone was wagony because they wanted to be found by scum group at night.

FZ: monkeys could be given our pm, stoofer has same pm (win when gorillas are killed)
THK: sane gorilla cop. He knows 4 confirmed gorillas. Speedy's kill due to setup.
DAH: claims gorilla. Breadcrumbed.
PJ: THK is town, should later reveal investigation.
MC (541): he mostly asked about people who are close to lynch, he was useless to town if he gives up, he wanted to find out why people wanted him to die.
KLE: claims townie, no breadcrumbing because he didn't think gorillas knew they were looking for people, THK should say results, PJ is confirmed. Is IN a RBer?
PJ: claiming gorilla soldier = giving scum info. KLE: how was he supposed to be reunited, cannot assume PJ confirmed. GF/Millers unlikely due to townpeople thinking they're scum and pushing for lynch.
PJ: Thok and DAH > Gorilla than G, but G probably gorilla. STD: fingering gorillas everywhere, STD's post BIRD + IN > 0 scum, would distance after seeing 4 gorillas votes for CES as if he's sm, would wagon even if he is gorilla. Undecided whether MC/TWT is diversion.
KLE: explain hesitation in hammering CES and FOS (not vote) on others?
G: alignments revealed, no roles.
PJ/G: not advantage because no counter-claim.
THK: he can catch fake claim. If he's killed and is gorilla, all gorillas are gorillas.
KLE (549): Thought he'd be found if scum tried to kill him. Scum probably wouldn't have townie pm (PJ cleared). Strong point against STD, PJ naive about G, wanted CES hammered but wanted stronger case. FOS people who were wagoning recklessly on someone who was being lynched for wagoning recklessly.
To DAH, explain 521 (talks to THK about having no night kill.)
PJ: All gorillas will be gorilla. If KLE thought KLE found via killing, why gorillas get nightkilled? Speedy might not have been a player. Agree with KLE, G not cleared, THK easier time due to his role. Thought scum killing own traitors, or alternating kills.
KLE: same logic as PJ.
PJ: satisfied with KLE. Possible sm: FZ, MC, NIghtson, PB, PK, STD, TWT.
DAH: not convincned KLE is gorilla. Spoke to THK because THK was reason for lynching CES, wanted to see hie reaction. Theory: gorillas had to choose between killing or recruiting and were unlucky to kill their own.
TWT votes MC, can't remember game.
MC: voting
STD: Apologises.
FZ: Only scum apologise.
STD: Only scum use bad scum tells, THK should reveal if his results don't cross PJ's list. Votes FZ based on gut.
TWT: MC's post. Don't put words in TWT's mouth.
MC: Wtf.
PJ: TWT/MC distancing.
G: Kill MC.
TWT: My role. TWT voted MC yesterday.
DAH: THK's result before lynchign MC.
THK: CES sm. PJ g. PB (me) g. PK g.
G: Kill MC today, not now.
AS: confirms THK. Clear FZ because sm know who g's are, but didn't know gs were lost.
MC: asks AS why he admitted to scum.
AS: FOS MC for not reading.
KLE: AS post?
TWT: MC admitted to being scum.
MC: AS is scum.
THK votes MC.
TWT confirm votes MC.
AS: about FZ: unlikely sm pm says g are lost. FZ said it first, so probably truth.
nightson: vote MC.
PJ: full role-claim from MC. Believe DAH.
THK: unvote, FZ/G/DAH can be trusted. MC 50/50.
FZ agrees.

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Nice to replace in when I'm confirmed town, though I think Stoofer is one sick **** and I'm never playing another game modded by him again. (nah, just kidding Lucky I only replaced in after PJ's awesome scum-claiming post.)

I confirm Thok's investigation. I believe dahen is town due to his bread crumbing. I think MC is scum, and I want a full claim. No read on Glork yet. I also think some scum are lurking.

I disagree with PJ's initial clearing of klebian. The way I see it, PJ (probably unintentionally) provided klebian with a good excuse for his possible blunder. Refer to this part in my summary:

PJ: All gorillas will be gorilla. If KLE thought KLE found via killing, why gorillas get nightkilled? Speedy might not have been a player. Agree with KLE, G not cleared, THK easier time due to his role. Thought scum killing own traitors, or alternating kills.

KLE: same logic as PJ.

Okay, so he didn't phrase it that way, but he basically said yes, I thought I'd be found via killing because of whatever reason PJ gave.

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I'm going to go by town/scum convention else the space monkey gorilla thing will make my brain go haywire.

I found it:

By that time yesterday, I was still thinking the scum were continually killing their own traitors, or that I was a lost gorilla being sought by two seperate scum groups who somehow kept missing kills or did indeed have alternating kills. I would like to think most players were still on my page by that time yesterday.

This is essentially the logic I told myself when gorillas kept dying. I seriously had no idea what was going on in the game, which is part of the reason why I was angry at those who called speculators suspicious; I had no idea what was going on and you can never be sure what to base your suspicions on if you don't know what's going on and why something strange is happening.

Can someone (probably AndrewS) please refer me to the post where FZ said he knew the gorillas were lost?

Possible scum list:
FZ?
Glork
Klebian
MC/Twomz
nightson
STD
Twito

I skimmed through my summary from day 2 onwards again, and I realised that nightson and STD barely said a thing. Did they have a valid reason? Ie were they away from MS.net completely/posted in V-LA thread, or did they just lurk for this game? I'm a little confused about timeline, but I think STD and nightson have been around for other games.

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Nightson has made a total of 19 posts. Here's his record:

vote: MBL, phoebus.
The MBL thing.

Accuse Glork and phoebus of being scum.
For apparently no reason.

Vote STD.
Again, for apparently no reason.

Posts some crap I don't understand.

Responds to MBL's accusation that his jokes are scummy.
I see that as him trying to pass off an accusation as a joke.

Defends against Iba by saying it wasn't his fault no one responded to his vote on STD.
Tough. He didn't explain himself, and he didn't push.

Unvoted because he forgot who he's voting.

Here's the next post:

I'm here, and am still wondering why there are votes on Glork for normal early day 1 behavior.

You're getting the most votes and this is all you have to say? Newsflash, Glork only has half the votes you do.

vote: bird

And now he's got slightly less then half.

Inhim I don't find suspicious.

Still kinda suspicious of StD, but not enough for a vote right now.

He voted bird for having the most votes? Wagonish. I don't like how he throws suspicioin of STD around with a vote on bird. Note his unexplained defense in inhim.

Changes his mind and thinks inhim is scummy. Says he wants bird to respond to his lynch-leader status.
Changing his mind so quickly after 2 posts by inhim is weird. It's as if he changed his mind after STD picked the earlier point I mentioned out.

Says he can't hammer.

Votes for MBL. He now says that his vote on bird was 1/2 scumminess and 1/2 pressure. Note that he hasn't said anything about this before till someone pointed it out. Says he unvoted because he wanted a bird replacement.

Refuses to respond, instead bring up an old post.

Says bird has been prodded.

Suddenly votes bird (because bird won't return.)
This directly contradicts what he said earlier about wanting a replacement for bird.

Defends PJ and inhim (no reason given.)

Says he's figured that out. (what's 'that'?)
Hm... It could be that since he thinks gorillas are going to figure out they're townie, he's trying to pretend to have a sudden revelation that he's a gorilla townie too.

Votes masterchief (reason: because he did the same thing in Dr Who.)

I withdraw my request for a claim from MC.

vote: Nightson

I'd like to hear his responses, but he's going to have to work a miracle to convince me he's a gorilla at the moment.

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I did a skim through STD's posts in isolation and I see him acting like a madman. Literally. I'd appreciate if someone who has been around throughout (and is cleared) analyse him for me, else I'll have to spend a lot of time reading all his early game posts.

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MC: Read the game. Or read my summary of it. You're either an idiot or scum.

The problem is I can see him being gorilla thinking he's scum because he didn't read the game properly, and copying the line from Stoofer.

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MC: read the game starting from PJ's claim.

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I forgot.

Nightson: please explain your inactivity and non-commitalness. You can't just explain it away by saying you thought you were scummy.

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I'm satisfied with nightson's response.

Apologies, I didn't realise that the pm MC quoted was different from the generic pm.

3 possibilites:
1) MC thinks gorillas are scum, he's a gorilla, and that's why he lied and said he was a space monkey. Hence the wrong line he quoted.

2) MC thinks space monkeys are scum, he's a space monkey, and so he quoted that line wrongly on purpose to make us think he's a lying gorilla.

I think the first is more likely, after reading MC's posts in isolation.

unvote nightson, vote: MC

MC is now at lynch -1.

I'd like to hear from STD.

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My earlier post should be 'second' not 'first.' And I forgot about my 3rd possibility (I only listed 2):

Stoofer our beloved mod screwed up the pm line on purpose. (just kidding )

Get rid of a not-paying-attention-person as early as possible. Would you rather off him now, or figure out whether or not to off him at game?

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Stoofer's 4th law: When changing the fundamentals of the game, keep everything else constant.

I must say I'm pretty lucky to get killed, and that I didn't play this game from the start, else I would have tore my hair out. I was watching this till I went inactive, and I must admit this was a great game. Thanks be to Stoofer!