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No.In post 171, T-Bone wrote:First post of the game and that's all you have to say?
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Was this meant to be addressing my comment towards you?In post 225, Benmage wrote:@Tbone, I can't tell if you're serious. As someone alluded to my awesome scumplay is awesome...So I.. what? Joined the game minutes before it launched... and thought of the masterful strategy of faking breaking the game? (Or I joined the game moments before launch, skimmed the rules, and tried to break it... go figure)
DGB, there's a chip in your armor...
And a crack in your bifocals.
I'm not scum.
Why did you take so long to vote me?
What was the second dumb question?In post 182, DrippingGoofball wrote:
TWO dumb questions. Then some whining when called out on it.In post 180, kuribo wrote:DGB is right oversoul, that was a dumb question.
Why did it take you so long to adhere to your meta, Cogito?
How bad do you think I am?In post 277, Benmage wrote:and Oversoul falls bottom third for sure.. but it wasn't quite as bad as I original thought.
All in do time, provided people actually answer my questions.In post 269, kuribo wrote:I do want to know what oversoul hoped to accomplish with that ridiculous line of questioning.
But you're more than welcome to join DGB on my wagon if you wish.
Just promise me you'll actually try to scumhunt.
Really? That is a matter of fact? I don't think so.In post 175, T-Bone wrote:As a matter of fact you can deduce approximately nothing from this desire to join this tech playlist.
I have suspicions on multiple people, but my primary suspicion falls on Ghostlin. I don't understand his attack against Kid A for the pr talk and I don't understand why he is using the word null to describe other players. His opinions seem out of place with how the thread was going as a whole.
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In post 295, Oversoul wrote:Just because you all don't understand how I work doesn't mean my questions are dumb.-
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Nope.In post 305, kuribo wrote:oversoul, we're not playing this mastermind bullshit
maybe this will quicken your tongue
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What are you trying to convey in this post because whatever it is went clear over my headIn post 314, greygnarl wrote:Oversoul WTF are you doing. Ghostlin is trying to play mafia but he just isn't as good as everyone else in this game.
Matt should actually know that so I don't know why he is all upset. Kind of makes him seem scum but everybody seems to read him as town.-
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It is related yes.In post 320, kuribo wrote:
because the "question" you keep insisting he answer is ridiculous and if you're going to keep pushing it, you need to have a good reasonIn post 316, Oversoul wrote:I'm not going to capitulate to your cookie cutter design of how you think I should be playing Kuribo.
I don't understand why you guys think this is solely reliant on how Ben acted in the signup thread.
it's reliant on the sign up thread because YOU LITERALLY ASKED HIM WHY HE SIGNED UP FOR THE GAME
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Point - Are posts like these helpful?In post 329, MattP wrote:I don't think questions like "how many times have you played with DGB" are helpful
I am constructing a framework to base people's actions off. It is helpful for me.
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I didn't find your posts offensive.
Ghostlin, I understand it is bad play to have PRs out themselves on Day 1, but this game does not have any PRs and that should be evident from the signup thread and the rules post. I didn't understand why you felt the need to start suspecting him for this when it was obvious that Kid A had to be either trolling or playing dumb?-
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In post 336, greygnarl wrote:Last sentence of my post= last paragraph of Oversoul's post.
I agree somewhat; Ghostlin taking the time to discuss that specifically with Kid looked like an attempt to try and teach something that in this game really has no purpose.In post 335, greygnarl wrote:Also, the PR thing is kind of throwaway tbh.
At first I thought it was possibly a scumtell because Ghostlin has to my knowledge not been around recently/out of practice and I feel that people who try to taking 'teaching' roles within the town, or are overly helpful do so to pad their content + appearance to the town to be "Look, I'm helping!"-
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I don't think you're dumb.
Where did that impression come from? I just think that engaging on that notion was bad because I personally thought he was trolling and wouldn't give you the answers your expected. I thought it was obvious that he wasn't taking the game seriously with that comment given the setup is public knowledge which is why I thought discussion on the motivation for that was bad.-
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DGB,
In post 304, Oversoul wrote:In post 295, Oversoul wrote:Just because you all don't understand how I work doesn't mean my questions are dumb.
My teachers said there is no such thing as a dumb question.In post 334, Oversoul wrote:
Point - Are posts like these helpful?In post 329, MattP wrote:I don't think questions like "how many times have you played with DGB" are helpful
I am constructing a framework to base people's actions off.In post 334, Oversoul wrote:
Point - Are posts like these helpful?In post 329, MattP wrote:I don't think questions like "how many times have you played with DGB" are helpful
I am constructing a framework to base people's actions off. It is helpful for me.
You can take that side ways cucumber out from your butt anytime.
It's making you unpleasant. your tunnel vision is yet again wrong.-
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Does it aggrevate you that I don't mould to your ideal type?
Or that I play cards close to my chest? Hint, it isn't scummy. At least for me. DGB should know this but she has cucumber problems. And blood lust. Read First Time Mafia, Kuribo. You'll get a better understanding of me (this is the game Venmar was referring to).
(these can considered dumb questions)
Pedit: time to readjust your vision then.
Pedit: at the moment tunneling, anything that I'd use to try and catch DGB scum probably isn't going to work given the setup.-
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In post 405, kuribo wrote:Over if you knew my meta, you'd know i find lololol mastermind to be annoying and scummy
i had an epiphany about DGB's wagon and if my theory is correct, theres probably at least one scum on it or having been on it
Fair enough.In post 405, kuribo wrote:Over if you knew my meta, you'd know i find lololol mastermind to be annoying and scummy
i had an epiphany about DGB's wagon and if my theory is correct, theres probably at least one scum on it or having been on it
Who would it be on her wagon?
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His defense of me. I made mention of that earlier. It's in my ISO.
This has been on my mind for a while, and the anonymity of Kid A is super suspect given this game and Zor as a mod,
Kid A, are you a Regfan alt?
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Really dumb questions, T-Bone.In post 413, T-Bone wrote:How about you read him as Kid A instead of worrying about if he's an Alt or not? What does that matter? Does that determine his alignment too?
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I think the PR talk thing was a front. Kid ignoring the discussion between myself and Ghostlin on that topic is peculiar. Him ignoring my question to him just now is also peculiar. If Kid A was Regfan and you saw Regfan acting this way, you are telling me you wouldn't be suspicious?
Regfan is the freaking Paragon holder for 2012. Tell me how that isn't important, T-Bone.
Using an alt to hide his worse-than-his-town scum game would be a good way to have a chance at winning if he happened to draw scum while still getting to play in the game.
Pedit: Hmm, that was anticlimactic.
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When did you come to this conclusion?In post 431, T-Bone wrote:But Kid A is so obvious town it hurts so it's another moot point.
Before or after DGB said it?
Also, what happened to your Benmage read? That seems to have gone the way of the dodo unless it was a dodo to begin with.-
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Smack a vote down.In post 434, kuribo wrote:Kid A is so town that i wanna double check that hes not an Innocent Child
Pedit: appeal to emotion is so bad, overscum
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In post 467, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I already told you your stuff was boring. Oversoul's stuff is even more inane. I have better stuff to do.
Answer it even if it is inane. Stalling only makes me more useless, CES.In post 467, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I already told you your stuff was boring. Oversoul's stuff is even more inane. I have better stuff to do.
Do you want me to be useless?
Kuribo, that was the point.
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Haha, that made me chuckle.In post 483, JacobSavage wrote:"OOOOH SECRET PLANNY PLANS"
Ben's analysis of DGB looks genuine, I think he is town.
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This really looks like an attempt to try and not be tied to discussion.In post 650, GuyInFreezer wrote:@MattP: Fine I'll stfu and continue ISOing.
No matter how many times you repeat it, it will not magically become truth.In post 652, DrippingGoofball wrote:Overscum is still scum.
You probably have practice saying "I'm pretty" everyday in front of a mirror.
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I don't think he would come to my defense like he did as scum.In post 588, Ghostlin wrote:
Explain Ventown to me.In post 580, Oversoul wrote:Oversoulish... Lol.
DGB, why would I read when I much prefer to aggrevate everyone over their pointless objections to my questions?
Bbmolla, add Venmar to the town list. I am pretty confident in that read.
Matt, you admit you're playing close to the vest too, w-
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I know why too!In post 728, kuribo wrote:In post 725, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
Pretty sure I'm just busy.In post 723, greygnarl wrote:Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.
Im quoting this to make sure DGB will notice. She knows why.
CES, short of wasting towns time with dumb questions, many of my oversoul criticisms apply to you. Do you have any reads or opinions?
Is it safe to assume you think DGB town then?
Kuribo, since you finally articulated a reason that I could follow for being scum rather than "wasting time/dumb questions" I will respond to you.
Since none of what I tried to prepare actually worked and I am tired of trying to troll in the meantime, my next post here will be comprehensive.
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Your tunnel vision is apparent DrippingGoofBoneIn post 725, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
Pretty sure I'm just busy.In post 723, greygnarl wrote:Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.
And so is your sycophantic attachment to DGB-
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You and Kanye don't bother me
DGB and Tbone ad nauseum calling every single action I do scum is what bothers me because they don't even try to look at it any other way unlike Kuribo who is actually willing to discuss things
I get it. You think I am scum. You are just as much a distraction needling me as my own posts
Plus they haven't addressed the fact (that I have read at least) that they are parroting each other
Kid, I was pointing out that CES did essentially the same thing as me on the same page and Tbone ignored it to pander to DGb and mimic her for the umpteenth time.-
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You and Kanye don't bother me
DGB and Tbone ad nauseum calling every single action I do scum is what bothers me because they don't even try to look at it any other way unlike Kuribo who is actually willing to discuss things
I get it. You think I am scum. You are just as much a distraction needling me as my own posts
Plus they haven't addressed the fact (that I have read at least) that they are parroting each other
Kid, I was pointing out that CES did essentially the same thing as me on the same page and Tbone ignored it to pander to DGb and mimic her for the umpteenth time.-
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I wasn't intentionally trolling, but being obtuse.
You did? I haven't read much since page ~19 or something.
All I remember is you saying "it is a distraction, wasting time etc"
Never "you are planning to flee, that is why I suspect you" which is actually credible in my opinion
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I asked this question for one reason and one reason only.
As you can see here Benmage actively tries to enter the game by using WotC to remove another player signed up for the game.
This also comes after he stated he would be taking things slowly in mafia because the amount of time he had available was reduced.
Then Benmage proceeds to advocate a no lynch on Day 1 in order to given the "town" its best chances to win, or at the very least ensure that the scum don't win.
In post 11, Benmage wrote:... I'm giving us the most town votes to vote scum... let's play the #'s game and be smart.
That said... I just accused CES.... I figured we'd get to see who we've accused... but I guess that is hidden.. so we'll have to cordinnate in game who to accuse and make sure we have 3 on the scummiest person (incase 1 is scum and switches their vote)... Or something like this, let me ponder when I have more time.
He states that spreading out votes out among the players will be the best for a numbers game. From the apparent vigor that Benmage tried to join the game, and given that the rules/winconditions were publicly in view completely countering the reasoning Benmage proposed for a Day 1 lynch I asked the question.In post 23, Benmage wrote:
Look at rule 6.. Scum need to not be accused to win.In post 13, Quilford wrote: 2) demonstrative of your failure to comprehend the wincons.
If we don't lynch. 14 players.. 1 scum leaves.. 13 players.
We have 12 votes if we organize correctly to vote amongst 13 players. (VOTE ME Its fine) ... We basically just don't vote 1 person, and as long as that final person isn't scum we win. Game broken. We just need to organize the votes during the day, because we can't see the google form.
I wanted to see if Benmage was going to say that he joined the game because he "thought of a gamebreaking" strategy enough that he could take on as the moderator puts it, "consistent (if not strenuous) activity" during a period of his life where he doesn't have as much time to devote to mafia.
That is why I was suspicious of his "plan" and his apparent lack of knowledge about the rules.
It looked too staged and not like Ben at all. Then, given the fact that it is Benmage and his notoriety as scum I didn't want to elaborate further and just pressed for him to answer the question, which to my knowledge he never answered. In great part due to the rest of you (DGB, Tbone, and even Kuribo) obfuscating everything, pretty much ruining any cohesion or importance to my question.
In short, I wanted to know why Ben tried so hard to get into this game given his real life situation and then proposed a proposition so obviously wrong and bad the first chance he got.
It looked like that proposition to "break" the game was on the tip of his tongue and that could have been a reason why he wanted to enter the game, but it apparently wasn't. If Ben took just 5 minutes to read the rules he would have seen that his plan was bunk and that any hope of "town cohesion" or a town working together after failing to lynch correctly on Day 1 would be very hard to pull off.
We all turn into self-aligned third parties if we mislynch the first day. Any hope for a coordinated plan exists as far as the morals of the playerbase extend and not allegiance to a common wincondition.
I'm still not sure how I feel about that beginning to the day, but for now I think Ben is town for other actions during the day.
I pretty much explained this earlier, given that I thought Kid A was potentially Regfan.In post 167, Oversoul wrote:Is Kid A an alt?
I had looked into Kid A's viewable posts and he didn't seem to really be an established member of the community which is why I questioned whether or not he was an alt.
Again, this drew the ire of DGB, TBone, and Kuribo almost immediately and their blustery attacks just decimated any vitality to the questions I hoped could have an insight into the game.
The posts that immediately stood out to me as suspicious from Kid A where these 3
In post 28, Kid A wrote:I'm guessing we're all VT except for the scum but if anyone has a PR you should claim because scum has no nkIn post 37, Kid A wrote:do you really think a scumteam with 2 votes can push a lynch on a pr
Essentially, I didn't trust Kid A's posts about the PRs and "meta" for a few reasons. 1) the game setup is completely known from the sign-up thread and the moderator's beginning posts in this thread. We know that there are no PRs. Why would he make such a blatant statement like that? Especially since that knowledge is known? It was along the same lines that I was suspicious of Benmage and Kid A. 2) the meta comments made it seem as if Kid A had been around the bloc enough times to know what are legitimate scum tells when he just joined in January of this year... His comments all looked like they held some other ulterior motive.In post 80, Kid A wrote:i had a scumtell on him and i wanted to see if he did it in any other games or if it was a shitty scumtell
im leaning towards the latter
and i said i was looking at your town meta not your scum meta because i want to see if you fluffpost this much in your other games
Then when I saw Regfan lurking about this forum I felt that Reg was reading the game on his original account and the actions of Reg definitely do not match the actions of Kid A so I thought that there was a possibility Reg would try to hide his scumgame.
I probably shouldn't have thought that since Reg has morals and that seems kinda underhanded, but it is known that Reg plays much better as town when compared to his scum game.
This is the "super planny plan things" post where I first alluded to the fact that I was sitting on suspicions and that the suspicions secrecy was vital in order to gain legitimate information not corrupted by the knowledge of said suspicions (i.e. Ben could just lie about why he wanted to join the game, Kid A could just lie about being an alt, etc).In post 173, Oversoul wrote:
No.In post 171, T-Bone wrote:First post of the game and that's all you have to say?
But that's all I want to say for the time being.
It is a nice segue into the CES suspicion that I was holding onto as well...
This is CES's opening post. Normally, CES almost always opens up a game with a vote on someone. If he is late to getting to the game, the vote will be on the largest bandwagon.
This is where I ask CES about the meta of his vote where he then votes two of the other one vote wagons.
This was the first time of the games that I have read with CES in them that CES did not wait for a bandwagon and instead started a wagon himself.In post 293, Oversoul wrote:Why did it take you so long to adhere to your meta, Cogito?
Why is this important?
As I said earlier, CES is a creature of meta. There was a public confirmation after a scumgame of his (I think it was the first Large Theme Pony game that was eaten by the Tigers) where CES was talking to a female scummer, Mina or Brandi I think, I can't remember, one who is familiar with his play and he didn't explicitly follow his meta and he said he was nervous about said fact when playing with this female scummer. He then went on to explain what that explicit meta was and it involved bandwagons.
I really wish I could find that post because I feel like it could be useful in gaining a read on him if he didn't follow his own meta. Anyway, I tried looking up games where CES was 1) an original player, and 2) placed the first vote of the game and I have so far not been able to find any games that fit such criteria.
CES ignoring my questions about that meta is suspect because of the implications that it could have. I think he knows his meta pretty well to be able to give a response to my questions but he didn't. He simply called them "inane" choosing to not give a response.
I know he likes to bandwagon. I know he likes to vote the largest wagon as part of his meta.
As you can see here, when CES votes MattP, there were multiple wagons he could have voted
But he chooses to vote MattP. I don't know the extent of his "bandwagon" meta because I am not completely familiar with his playing nuances, but the Matt vote was his second vote in the game.In post 76, zoraster wrote:
Why did he choose MattP specifically over the Benmage wagon?
Heck why did he choose it over the other two 1 vote wagons?
I wanted to see what his response would be to the meta question. I think he knew what I was getting into, but instead of explaining for whatever reason he just ignores them.
Here yet again, CES ignores other 1 vote wagons this time on DGB (not seen in VC, but present on the page where CES voted), Benmage, and Kid A going to vote Kanye, who was a 1 vote wagon at the time of him moving away from his RVS vote on Quil onto Matt.
It looks like he is trying to start a bandwagon of some sort, but why doesn't he join the largest wagons at the time (other than himself)?In post 102, zoraster wrote:
Here CES votes DGB, clearly the biggest wagon following his meta of bandwagoning.
My questions toward him that are "inane" are simple "what gives?" questions. Why do you vote those specific wagons? And why do you follow your apparent meta so late in the game with the vote on DGB?In post 151, zoraster wrote:
My push against Ghostlin relied on the fact that it looked like he was trying to take the moral high ground and "teach" Kid A how to play when I thought that if Kid A was an alt he was likely trolling due to the PR talk when this game clearly has no PRs.
I explained this earlier in my dialogue with Ghostlin. I felt his responses were adequate and explained the reasoning well enough that I think he is probably town.
Venmar town - he is pretty much playing similarly to his play in First Time Mafia (featuring yours truly, DGB, MattP, and Venmar! All as town for those wondering. Possibly a good meta read).
There he was VERY adamant about Jal being scum and was wrong, but it was a thought that he defended for pretty much the entirety of the game.
It isn't really something I can quantify other than read his iso there and compare it to his iso here, but the play seems very similar. Of course I could be biased cause I was a neighbor fakeclaiming being a mason that game and Venmar was my neighbor.
It would make sense for Venmar to come in and defend me citing that specific game because 1) we were neighbors together and I pretty much showed him how I played and 2) I "withheld" information from the town like I am doing here (ohGODself-meta).
That's why I think Venmar is town.
It is also why I don't immediately think that DGB is scum for her actions in this game because she tunneled the FUCK out of Venmar in that game for scumtells that he committed. I just happen to be the Venmar of First Time for this game. BUT I do find it suspicious DGB is breaking down the door just to get to my throat in this game considering she was in that other game. Or maybe it is just herbloodlust getting the best of her.
I find Matt town for his actions in this game because he didn't immediately call me scum and makes me feel like he is using his brain and remembering my play from that game.
I should really reread that game and see how the scum in general reacted to my ~secrets~ and see if there is any human pattern here.
So yea. This is my response and clarification to most egregious "problems" of my play/the suspicions for me playing close to the vest. An invoking my tabula rasa.
So, you all should vote CES with me so we can get a clearer picture of what is going on with his mangled meta and at least make what have to work with *now* salvageable.-
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As you are good at scum and generally don't miss a beat on what people post, I didn't want to say anything about your "plan" looking staged in case you would come up with a better reaction to it.In post 900, Benmage wrote:
So it looked staged, and my scum game is awesome?In post 847, Oversoul wrote:It looked too staged and not like Ben at all. Then, given the fact that it is Benmage and his notoriety as scum I didn't want to elaborate further and just pressed for him to answer the question, which to my knowledge he never answered.
But if I took 5 minutes to read the game I'd know the plan was pointless.In post 847, Oversoul wrote:If Ben took just 5 minutes to read the rules he would have seen that his plan was bunk and that any hope of "town cohesion" or a town working together after failing to lynch correctly on Day 1 would be very hard to pull off.
We all turn into self-aligned third parties if we mislynch the first day. Any hope for a coordinated plan exists as far as the morals of the playerbase extend and not allegiance to a common wincondition.
I'm still not sure how I feel about that beginning to the day, but for now I think Ben is town for other actions during the day.
So I'm a scum mastermind, yet I didn't take 5 minutes to read the game? Thanks for confirming me town.
And I did answer it... first I was clarifying the need to still answer, cause I thought you dropped it after being hounded, or modified it:In post 471, Benmage wrote:
What was the question?In post 300, Oversoul wrote:After he responds to my questions in full.
^Did you miss this? Or was it not a satisfactory response?In post 491, Benmage wrote:
Glad you prefaced me answering this question truthfully ..In post 487, Oversoul wrote:Ben's analysis of DGB looks genuine, I think he is town.
I'd still like him to answer truthfully and fully, why he was excited to join this game.
Uhm lets see, I quasi-retired in the Wire/wrapped up invitational. So I'm in no games because RL is bat shit cray. But a 14 day game sounds like something I can do, as I am a fiend.
I'm excited to see what relevance this has.
You are good at being scum yes. At the time I didn't believe you would actually propose such a glaringly bad plan as town unless you were trying to play dumb for whatever reason. I thought this was part of a plan to look more "open" and transparent to the town.
I did see that, but I was looking for a little bit more on why you proposed the plan that you did and whether or not you thought of this plan before the game started (i.e. when you kicked FourTrouble out of the game to join).
Kuribo, Red Dead is mostly eaten. I'm pretty sure it doesn't even have it's full Day 1.
Happy Scumday, Venmar!-
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Me still.In post 911, Benmage wrote:No, I think I touched on this as well... That the plan came after skimming the game and I thought we could mass organize night actions to break the game.
I kicked FT out for YOU GUYS! *bows* (otherwise guess which mislynch would be goin down today)-
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In post 883, DrippingGoofball wrote:
I can literallyIn post 856, Oversoul wrote:Why are you town reading CES?feelhim.
You never commented on this DGB.In post 728, kuribo wrote:In post 725, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
Pretty sure I'm just busy.In post 723, greygnarl wrote:Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.
Im quoting this to make sure DGB will notice. She knows why.
CES, short of wasting towns time with dumb questions, many of my oversoul criticisms apply to you. Do you have any reads or opinions?-
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