Lord Patator Charlixion the 6th: game over

[MattP]

VOTE: kanye

[MattP]

For anyone that doesn't understand how to play mafia, this is kanye scum

[MattP]

Vote him then?

[MattP]

Oh yes I'm immune to all night actions and if I am on scum wagons enough times I unlock an unknown power

So feel free to target me but [:

[MattP]

Guys look I'm like conftown

[MattP]

Actually anyone that doesn't have me as obvtown is literally fucked up at this pt

[MattP]

There are probably five scum

[MattP]

Unless the mafia role pm states that townies have unknown powers it's pretty obvious I'm town

Ok yw i don't have to do anything for the remainder of the game

[MattP]

Lol

[MattP]

If people don't vote kanye they're suspect, the end

[MattP]

btw ill vote myself and set yall up for the hammer if you promise matt follows me immediately to the grave when i flip town <3

AND THEN THERE WAS A WAGON SHIFT

[MattP]

Three more votes please

[MattP]

Oh so we only need 2 more, awesome

[MattP]

Yeah except Kanye is scum because I can read him soooo

[MattP]

too much weird single-mindedness/overconfidence going on; bbmolla, matt, kanye are key offenders

VOTE: matt

You got me I'm being overconfident and not just plain confident man you're so aware of my meta history with kanye you're a detective

[MattP]

I didn't pos here yet that my comp is broken until its fixed I'm very limited accent

[MattP]

Will be on when I get to my home tomorrow nigh

[MattP]

OK I HAVE A COMPUTER FOR AT LEAST A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME

[MattP]

don't know what kanye's scumgame is like, but martyrdom - especially the variety played so aggressively/confidently - is usually pretty town. i don't think his best mafia performance badges automatically means he can convincingly play that angle. what's the point?

im actually pretty capable of faking this as scum and have done it before. i wonder why matts not bringing up that example that hes familiar with (hint -its because hes not really critically examining his read of me)

I've read the thread

VOTE: HD

I have the same role as Iecerint

Iecerint, does your role come with an added bonus

[MattP]

I didn't mean to quote 119

[MattP]

Actually, I'm going to assume Hiraki's plan is flawed without needing an answer from iecerint. I doubt every player with the same hidden bonus as me has the same rolename/ability or scum would be incredibly disadvantaged.

[MattP]

Mothrax, what did you PM myko?

[MattP]

Can we also have a little bit more time, I'm actually reading the thread in completeness right now

Unvote

[MattP]

It's in my ISo. By the time I got back it was old news anyways but I err on the side of caution when it comes to role paraphrasing. Basically the issue is that one final vote on scum isn't enough to activate the powers and that we would have to coordinate long term which might make it tricky.

The wording in the PM makes it clear as day that you need to hit scum with your vote more than once

So then you clarified that you had to hit scum with your vote more than once?

[MattP]

Everyone in thread was saying that they had to be on scum multiple times as well during hammer. I don't understand why you felt compelled to check on this with the mod when it's explicit in the PM and BBmolla and Iecerint validated it in-thread

It felt like an overt mechanic that you brought up to look like you were part of the game-breaking process so that you would get towncred like Iecerint

VOTE: Mothrax

Your contribution to the game-breaking idea was useless and looked like you were just going along for the ride

[MattP]

Scum completely knew and scum had PR fakeclaims for all roles or this is a bastard game

That would be gamebreaking if scum didn't know because they could have said early game something insinuating they didnt have a power which would immediately implicate them and make the game stupid, use yo brain fool

[MattP]

@Matt from Iec's point he made it seem like it was a one time thing. That is how his posts came across. Someone else even mentioned that to him during the conversation. What I PMd the mod about was to make sure what I was posting was ok in terms of not quoting my role pm.

You said you were PMing the mod to clarify it meant you had to be on scum multiple times, not that you were making sure it was ok to bring it up in thread

[MattP]

I semi don't like hoopla

But whatever

[MattP]

No response Matt?

Let's wait until I'm sober but I like this post you just made

[MattP]

I'm a (albeit weak) power role and I guess I should claim at this point

I'm a 1-shot Lookout; I can learn how many scum there are during that night. There's also UNLOCKABLE POWURZ but don't know what they do obviously.

That role is stupid, illogical, and opportunistic

VOTE: HD

[MattP]

Why would there be a role that lets you check once during the game how many scum there are

That makes no sense conceptually, I've never heard of it, and it makes you seem like a lucrative choice to leave until Day 2

[MattP]

Mod, can you please prod Kanyeboi [:

[MattP]

By the way, what are your thoughts on Darthe, the guy you've completely ignored all game?

Idk let me iso him! I'm sure I can dig up some squashy reveals on his identity

[MattP]

Oh yeah I didn't like Darthe's interaction with Hiraki

But it's seriously mean that you're bussing him

[MattP]

Meanwhile, MattP is coming up the ranks.

Are you calling me scummy? Nah

[MattP]

Yeah I legit dont care right now im sry

[MattP]

how come

Idk I joined too many games at once and my comp broke and then it was summer so I never fully caught back up / got re-invested

[MattP]

Why haven't you cared detective kanye

[MattP]

He has.

Not posting for 5 days is caring must have been marinatin some thoughts like woa

[MattP]

But he's done a bit more than you, no?

Yeah he's a cute dude I've been townreading him lately but he needs to reevaluate his life choices man

[MattP]

I JUST realized darthe was lynched

[MattP]

This means I must reread things hurray

[MattP]

the only thing that stood out to me abt the dart wagon was how apologetic peregrines hammer was. dont think the speed at which it happened is very telling since it was a deadline lynch. as for darthe being lynched i dunno i didnt read ne of his posts or any posts abt him.

Kanye

[MattP]

Do something ty

Wait why should I scumread you that was like 10 pgs ago

[MattP]

yikes

[MattP]

Oversoul was the dumb one in this situation

Just in case anyone was on the fence of who to call the dummy

[MattP]

VOTE: Hoopla

Counterwagon to the MattP wagon on actual scum gogogogo

[MattP]

Kanye be nice

[MattP]

I'm going to probably be the lynch, so I'll actually real-claim

I'm an ascetic. I can only be targeted by the NK. I lied and said I was immune to NKs early game

I actually drew Ascetic in Greater Idea Mafia at my current meet and had to ask the mod what it did and then afterwards realized it was my role in this game and was like "Oh my god I'm an idiot". The reason why was specifically because I realized it was my role in this game and I shouldn't have forgotten it's action. BBmolla and Iecerint can literally confirm this was my reaction.

I don't have time to majorly invest right now to this game because of this meet but yeah

[MattP]

Oh yes I'm immune to all night actions and if I am on scum wagons enough times I unlock an unknown power

So feel free to target me but [:

[MattP]

That was a game that already ended and there is no rule against doing that? I always bring up outside meta knowledge about Trollie's play in games, why is bringing up an interaction that happened semi involving Iecerint and BBmolla not fair game? Besides, I assumed Iecerint would recognize this immediately regardless since he was definitely part of that IRL game so not making it public knowledge to everyone else as well if it will obviously influence at least one player's decision is not fair in my opinion.

[MattP]

Also if you believe it why aren't you unvoting

[MattP]

I'm not a huge fan out OOG knowledge in general but it is just RL meta and there's no reason why I couldn't have not known what an ascetic does and then after learning what it does in RL have used it as a fakeclaim here because my fakeclaim early game coincides with it so much.

It's not gamebreaking, it's just RL meta interaction

[MattP]

VOTE: bbmolla

[MattP]

Nah I just didn't like how you confirmed my claim

Not the fact that you did confirm it in general

[MattP]

he gave out a shit ton of accurate reads early and fast in posh. that is what I was impressed with. he isn't doing it this game

you are such scum chik aren't you

Uhhh I explicitly stopped giving out any reads when I became disinterested

I gave reads here until I became disinterested, the only striking difference is that I became disinterested there day 2 so there were more reads to give out, whereas here it was about page 10.

Why are you ignoring my claim?

[MattP]

Oh look people are gone now I can do shit WOWZA

[MattP]

You don't trust my claim given the situation it happened in? What about it don't you trust?

pedit: A clear signal? Explain how my claim wasn't a clear signal. Did you read my claim? What was not towny about it?

[MattP]

I'm going to probably be the lynch, so I'll actually real-claim

I'm an ascetic. I can only be targeted by the NK. I lied and said I was immune to NKs early game

I actually drew Ascetic in Greater Idea Mafia at my current meet and had to ask the mod what it did and then afterwards realized it was my role in this game and was like "Oh my god I'm an idiot". The reason why was specifically because I realized it was my role in this game and I shouldn't have forgotten it's action. BBmolla and Iecerint can literally confirm this was my reaction.

I don't have time to majorly invest right now to this game because of this meet but yeah

[MattP]

don't know what kanye's scumgame is like, but martyrdom - especially the variety played so aggressively/confidently - is usually pretty town. i don't think his best mafia performance badges automatically means he can convincingly play that angle. what's the point?

im actually pretty capable of faking this as scum and have done it before. i wonder why matts not bringing up that example that hes familiar with (hint -its because hes not really critically examining his read of me)

I've read the thread

VOTE: HD

I have the same role as Iecerint

Iecerint, does your role come with an added bonus

Actually, I'm going to assume Hiraki's plan is flawed without needing an answer from iecerint. I doubt every player with the same hidden bonus as me has the same rolename/ability or scum would be incredibly disadvantaged.

[MattP]

matt can you do me a favor? its pretty obvious theres not enough traction for you to get lynched today, so can you stop playing like youre facing a lynch? be a little proactive and work with us here? if youre actually town make me start town reading you, tell me what you think of my reads, help me out here where i wouldnt mind lynching half the fucking game.

I'm not talking about this because I think I'm going to be lynched, I'm checking if PM is stupid or scum? Is this the real life or is this just fantasy

[MattP]

Also if you're asking for me to make people feel bad kanye just wait until tomorrow when I'm back in my motherland

[MattP]

Hiraki, kanye, empking can join the town fleet

[MattP]

No your job is to clean up the horse shit in the stables

[MattP]

MattP and Hiraki should seriously stop wasting their votes, we're not lynching neither of those people today.

Josh, myself, Hoops, or Orc. Please make you decision soon so we can bring this pool down to two or three if at all possible.

What if I told you the only even slightly decent wagon out of those four was on josh, and that there are even BETTER lynches if you open up your imagination?

[MattP]

Ok well lets do this VERY quickly then

VOTE: mothrax

[MattP]

The splendid Pirate Mollie replaces Mothrax. Thank you very much, mollie!

You're fucking kidding me.

The OP hasn't been updated

Also that's more reason to vote the slot, PM is scum I've pretty positive.

[MattP]

Now she has entrenched herself among the town and it will be very difficult to actually tell if she is scum or not, let alone with who

Her push on me was too easy, she's not of this world, vote her off the island

Mothrax is equally as terrible

[MattP]

I am not done hiraki

also thinking about matt's role claim an ascetic doesn't really make sense as town really. I mean my role pm is unclear about if the power that I can potentially unlock is one I will all the time or if it is a one off. plus the fact that we have to unlock our powers which already hinders town and puts us at a disadvantage and having a town ascetic would be an even bigger liability.

^ this where my thoughts were last night when I told matt that I did not buy his claim and if it made his milk curdle.

My ascetic ability was distinctly different from my ability to gain a new potential power

How about this: scum obviously knew coming into this game the situation regarding hidden powers. It may be lucrative to see what reactions to us all talking about it seemed contrived

[MattP]

how was push on you "easy"?

Because the only way you couldn't have the brain capacity to know my claim was town is if you are stupid or scum

Since I have faith for you, and since it's easy to look productive by pushing a potential case that was literally thrown at you (I'm gonna say Matt is lying!) over something that requires more effort (I'm gonna actually scumhunt!) I think you're scum

If you're town then there's a compliment, I think you may actually have a sufficient level of intelligence yw

[MattP]

Also please admit that Mothrax sucked so that I can feel better about voting you because I'm starting to think my assumption was ill-advised

[MattP]

one or two scum groups. which do you think matt?

dude thats an overwhelming question how do you even decide that shit

[MattP]

also if it turns out theres 2 scum teams u guys can ignore pretty much all of the shit i said about matt cus its all null then and he was legitimately being bad at mafia.

Oh then there are 2 scum teams

Id lynch PV but we're out of time SHRUG

[MattP]

VOTE: Josh

[MattP]

VOTE: PV

[MattP]

How so are you understanding the PV wagon, chk?

[MattP]

Now I have a full time job and the mcats [:

[MattP]

That was a kodak moment

[MattP]

ITT scum can afford to bus

[MattP]

Why would scum make chk self vote

It's like "hurr durr look at what we can do!"

[MattP]

AAAACCCTTTTUUUUAAAALLLLLYYYYY it pretty much CONFIRMS perev as scum!

[MattP]

Kanye, guess why, keep vote count in mind, be creative

[MattP]

If it was day enacted right when the wagon on PV was seemingly going to be happening, the ONLY sensible reason for it would be that scum wanted to shake shit up and confused people as a last ditch effort to direct attention away from scum PV

If PV is town then the vote manipulation doesn't make sense. And the placing the vote on chkflip himself would draw the most attention to the vote manipulation, causing more rapid change of attention

In fact, it's kind of silly that we don't know if it was immediate or not, and

mod should show us what a votecount would have looked like, say, 24 hours into day 2

[MattP]

Actually first vc was like 7 hrs into d2

never mind mod ilu

[MattP]

It makes perfect sense

[MattP]

Tell me why you think chkflip was self voting

[MattP]

Kanye you have a scumread on PM right?

Or was that just a wet dream I had

[MattP]

and matt I have really been trying to go on a matt diet to give you some space but you jumping to it being a wifom way to save perv does not make much sense to me.

Ok kanye but shit like this is bad news bears

[MattP]

I'm very bad at responding to more than one thing at a time recently

It's probably all the glue and heroin I'm doing

[MattP]

if you wanna talk about why mollies possibly scum read like her first 10 posts and also these ones. thatll get a lot more traction with me than throwing 1030 around.

Anything "town" she's doing is just town because it's derpy. Please see below where I explain to PM the post you JUST quoted, was irrational and weird. She is not thinking with a town mindset, she's clearly throwing accusations out that have little thought/ scumhunting backing them up

I'm admittedly

did i mention that btw? iece is next after pv.

But ieces setup spec was cool

btw before you ask matt let me explain it 2 u like this:

remember d1 war in hell?
our d1 in this game has me reprising the role of matthew, youre tierce and iece is lambdy delta.

I disagree with this analogy on principle

Tell me why you think chkflip was self voting

well I was starting to wonder if it was a mod error or something? cos chik flat out said he did not self-vote so why are you even entertaining that I would think that was a reason

myko could you plz clarify that the vc is accurate tia

and you are like super jumpy to point out that it HAS to be a save somehow on perv and not even exploring other possibilities. wtf is up with that. I could see scum using it now to push a perv lynch through gee who does that remind me of. I mean they could use it to take advantage of what is clearly apathetic town cos no one else right now but me, you and kanye is really consistently paying any attention to the game.

what do you think of hoopla and iceyrent. I didn't find hoopla to be scummy in those exchanges earlier on d1 mebbe I need to read them moar. perv looks sus to me cos of the weaksauce hoopla push when I know he is capable of better. what I am saying is that I would think that scum would have used that power in a more strategic way, it seems clunky and like a waste.

I wasn't JUMPY, I was pointing out the only rational theory. And so now I ask YOU, what is YOUR theory for chk's self vote? You're calling my theory jumpy and implying it was irrational yet you're asking the mod if a chk self vote included multiple times in vcs and confirmed by chk as a correct vote, which if he was lying he'd be using a mod error to influence the game which is against the rules. You're being irrational.

[MattP]

"I'm admittedly" was not supposed to be in that first part

[MattP]

You're calling my theory jumpy and implying it was irrational yet you're asking the mod if a chk self vote included multiple times in vcs and confirmed by chk as a correct vote, which if he was lying he'd be using a mod error to influence the game which is against the rules

, is a mod error

. You're being irrational.

^FIXED

[MattP]

I missed you asking about ice and hoopla, I said I cant answer many things at once

PM, I told you what I think is derpy, in my last post. And now what you just posted is towny enough to set me on ease, so fine, let's talk.

You're not thinking critically enough about the chkflip self vote. Think of it like this.

IF the chkflip self vote happened when pv was being flash voted, what reasons could there be for it, supposing scum manipulated the vote? The only possibly reason it would happen AT THAT POINT and not to hammer a lynch, or some other concrete, practical reason, would be to confuse us and start a discussion about it. Scum wouldn't say "herp derp we're gonna place chkflips vote on himself right now for shits \o/" because then we would all know they can manipulate his vote and therefore we are now going to be careful placing people at L-1 so scum cant use the vote to hammer. It would be counterintuitive for scum to do it UNLESS it would help them AT THE MOMENT THEY DID IT. And what was going on when they did it? A flash wagon on PV. The only logical reason would be to distract us from the wagon on PV. If PV was town they would have just used chkflip's vote to hammer PV when he was L-1, keeping it a secret until then. They were just

fucking with us to postpone the lynch and possibly cause screwed up speculation about the vote manipulation, because then there are more important things than the lurker PV

This is assuming that the vote manipulation happened midday and not over night. But my thought process it's out of left field, it makes perfect sense

As for Hoopla, I didn't like her yesterday as is obvious by my vote on her. I don't remember how I felt come the end of the day

[MattP]

the only rational theory ISN'T that chik self-voted. I went and checked and mayko did post it in the first vc so mebbe it wasn't a mod error.

wrt the bold: hhhhmmm....chikflip could not confirm it since it could have been a mod error hey, mods make them all of the time. it makes me wonder how you know that chik simply did not think that it might have been a mod error. like you know he knows and understand the reasoning why.

wrt the italicised: I wasn't implying that at all tell me how is that glue

I'm saying that chk is self voting BECAUSE OF scum vote manipulation, not because he voluntarily self voted

What? chkflip came into the thread and stated that he conferred with the mod and the vote on him was intentional. I am saying that chkflip, if he lied about pming the mod and getting that confirmation, would be breaking site rules

[MattP]

You're on the glue right now missie. I'm being very rational

[MattP]

I guess that scum just wanted to stir up wifom that they could use later on in the game.

That would be such a terrible way to use that power

Just sayin

[MattP]

i think its pretty accurate. i acted lioke my usual town self, you attacked me for a dumb wrong reason, iecerint dick road you hard as hell without actually bringing anything to the table (and is also scum.) matches up pretty perfectly

I realized halfway through yesterday I was wrong, I don't even think I said anything at first because I was butthurt but at least I fixed my read

JUST DONT USE THAT ANALOGY BRO

I don't believe iece is scum yet, but it doesn't matter because I'm in PV mode currently anyway

[MattP]

I believe I've been towning it up over the past 12 hours anyway, I was very inactive prior

[MattP]

Kanye what is your read on me

[MattP]

wth? lol.

cmon it was kind of cute [:

[MattP]

VOTE: Hoopla

[MattP]

we know 100% certain youre not the recruiter tho and do not get to have input on who gets recruited.

If anyone flips cult I'm replacing

I'm also immune to recruitment

[MattP]

It's accepted site culture that unless a game is explicitly listed as being or possibly containing bastard elements it will not be bastard. ITO implicitly was promised due to site meta a non bastard game, and if that promise is breached then I don't have any need to keep my promise to play the game

[MattP]

UNVOTE: hoopla

I'm almost inclined to vote PerV just for his incompetence, but that'd make me of all people kind of a hypocrite.
You have heard of a recruiting mason, haven't you PerV? I'm not claiming anything here just throwing the idea out.

I think Pere is scum, but I think arguing whether or not a kill that recruits a traitor counts as a recruitment or not is rather a waste of time.

quil please do things that make me think youre town i need more town reads in a game where i have very few also pls tell me hwat you think about a) pv and b) hd claiming there are only 3 scum in this gayme

tyia.

a) probtown b) hd is also probtown so probably not lying but i wouldn't be surprised if screwy mechanics

Yay Quil!

<3

--

i'm down for voting hoopla; i thought she MAY have been masonised but #1126 doesn't roll with that plus i think pv is town as mentioned above

VOTE: Hoopla

MAGIC TIME FOR MAGIC:

1) PV is town
2) Kanye ate lead last night
3) Chkflip is lynched next
4) Empking had a side serving of Kanye's lead sandwich
5) Thor is town

Yaaay!

[MattP]

It doesn't matter if pv's rationale makes sense to you, it matters if his rationale would only come from a town standpoint. If you don't agree with his rationale but don't see scumtent in it then STFU, stop calling him out as bullshit and causing others that are too stupid to realize to think he's scum so they vote him and cause a mislynch, and talk to him rationally about his theory in a way that doesn't treat him like he needs immediate death

PV wouldn't, while he's trying to push the last mislynch of the game before he was lynched as scum, bring up vote patterns to ask people about freaking powers they got. There is NO scum intention in it and could only have perceived town intention, even if it's stupid. And I don't think at this point scum's #1 goal when they're already freaking winning at getting their mislynch target lynched, would start trying to scumhunt/townhunt.

The stupidity factor in general has gone to over 9000 in this game

/rant

[MattP]

FTR I have EVERY intention of buddying the fuck out of Thor this game

[MattP]

Kanye vs MattP

Who is the better scumhunter

Find out tonight

[MattP]

FTR I have EVERY intention of buddying the Smurf out of Thor this game

Why? Have I been townish

No I just have a crush on u

[MattP]

idunno its probably not me except in this insistance. tho i think oversolus better than both of us? i mean did u see 4tnight?

yea man dawg man

[MattP]

U wanna hammer hoopla?

[MattP]

y tho

[MattP]

bcus ur dumb as hell

thats not a very nice reason :<

[MattP]

wow

[MattP]

Hoopla isn't even voting PV for "PV lying"

This is embarrassing I can't wait until Hoopla's scumflip so that I can push a chk lynch

[MattP]

Mollie, let's wait until hoopla has flipped

Also a traitor recruitment completely explains the lack of a kill last night. It makes perfect sense

[MattP]

Unvote

[MattP]

Ok that was a long post

I am a sucker for long posts DAMN IT HOOPLA WHY MUST YOU HAVE DONE THAT *CLENCH FIST TO THE HEAVENS*

I am going to sleep. I have only read the opening of Hoopla's post. I need to process it when I'm not exhausted, but I think PV is where the lynch should be first. I'll post longer about this tomorrow when I'm not exhausted.

PLEASE DONT HAMMER ANYONE PRIOR TO MY RETURN, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME SHIT OUT IN THE THREAD

[MattP]

I'm back. Reading through.

[MattP]

But Hoopla lied, she said that she asked myko and he told her that neighborhood would not come up as "recruited" when myko said in thread just now it probably would

[MattP]

VOTE: Hoopla

WOOOOOOSH

[MattP]

*SHRUG*

[MattP]

I use it at night (1-shot) and mod tells me how many scum there are. He said there were 3 scum.

remember this

Anyway I hammered because the claim doesn't add up with the lie, I already believed PV prior to Hoopla's wall, and I just realized that Hoopla AUTOCLEARED me with my ascetic claim, which looked too much like hidden knowledge of setup and attempting to use it for towncred

[MattP]

I'm confused?

Matt I would have liked to been on that wagon for my activation.

p sure it was more important that I was on the Hoopla wagon than you

[MattP]

Dude I knew what I was doing. I'm full blown retard man

[MattP]

PM your inability to read me makes me think there's something wrong with me

However after thinking it over I think you're the one with the problem

[MattP]

I am very sad right now

[MattP]

So there are apparently 3 scum and a cult.

I'm assuming zombies aren't scum, myko, please verify

. If so this guarantees a cult and means that it doesn't matter if we were on that hammer.

I was hoping that I'd get an ability confirming HD as scum, or not get one confirming him as probably town, because I was on him during the darthe hammer, but if being on cult wagons doesn't count towards prizes then he's still unknown alignment

FTR the only reason I'm upset is because if I knew there was a cult I legitimately wouldn't have joined the game. I just really hate never being able to trust my reads on people since alignments can change willy nilly, and it ruins the most fun aspect of the game for me. I may replace, I need to think.

[MattP]

we know 100% certain youre not the recruiter tho and do not get to have input on who gets recruited.

If anyone flips cult I'm replacing

I'm also immune to recruitment

It's accepted site culture that unless a game is explicitly listed as being or possibly containing bastard elements it will not be bastard. ITO implicitly was promised due to site meta a non bastard game, and if that promise is breached then I don't have any need to keep my promise to play the game

[MattP]

So HD is probtown supposing being on two scumwagons would unlock a power. Having to be on 3 scumwagons seems overpowered assuming there was one initial zombie and 3 scum

[MattP]

Can the OP replacements be updated? Idk who replaced mothrax

[MattP]

Can the OP replacements be updated? Idk who replaced mothrax

[MattP]

You're all gonna be fuckin zombies in 5 days and I'm gonna be uber fucking paranoid about it

This is bad news ]:

[MattP]

Matt you are a bastard seeing as how I did the bulk of catching hoopla ... If she was even scum to begin with? I don't even fucking no.

That has nothing to do with it

Let's look at our previous wagons:

Me:
HD = ???
John Lymon = town
Hoopla = scum

You:
Darthe = town
John = town
Hoopla = scum

Now use your brain, which one of us should have been on that wagon?

[MattP]

Oversoul, you think I'm not an ascetic?

[MattP]

I replaced mothrax and I get my power the same way you do if I hammer enough times on scum

No, I just need to be on the wagon, I don't have to hammer

In hindsight I should have been less vote-hungry with Hoopla but I forgot your variation of the role existed.

I think I'm starting to line up all of my reads, and I think

Quilford
Iecerint
Hoopla
Oversoul
Chkflip

Are the antitown players

[MattP]

Doesn't Josh just hammer things?
I need to policy lynch that but for other reasons

I'd do Empking too considering I can't read him but I can tolerate that

Yes, VOTE: Josh

Funny thing is Hoopla, I misread the PM the same way BBmolla did. I thought I had to be the hammer vote as well which is why I wanted a PL on Josh. I can't read either. >_>

Pretty sure this is a scumslip

[MattP]

It's ok quilboi, you think I'd ever lynch you first if I had other scumreads? [:

[MattP]

Why would OS be a vote on the Josh lyman wagon when he later says he has to be the HAMMER on the josh lyman wagon

He's also been mildly scummy all game but active enough that I've let it happen

VOTE: Oversoul

[MattP]

I'm not revealing anymore of my suspicions until more people have constructively commented on your vote apparently being out of your control.

Sorry.

You can do this now then

[MattP]

Like seriously Matt I don't know even know why you think

Just so everyone knows I will replace out of this game before I am mislynched again so have fun with that

Josh Lyman? I thought I needed to be last vote on a wagon, which is why I wanted to kill Josh because I thought he had a thing for just hammering anyone ever but I was wrong. He is just bad

Then I realized that I didn't need to be hammer just that my last vote be on scum

But go ahead, push this wagon, take my hoopla wagon, I'll replace out

Pedit: Kanye, I mean I was pretty much the only one really pushing her yesterday
Also this role stuff was cleared up a long time ago I don't know why it is suddenly a factor

That doesn't answer my question

You voted Josh Lyman and said your reason for pushing the PL was because you had to hammer scum. This doesn't make sense because:

1) You having to hammer scum and you pushing a PL have nothing to do with each other
2) You didn't even hammer, you just were a vote on the wagon, so your story doesn't add up at all

Additionally, there is a chance ANYONE can be mislynched in a game, you're seriously threatening to replace out because you may be mislynched? If you are antitown and are using replacement threatening as a way to dissuade your wagon I will not be playing games with you in the future because that's plain ridiculous. If you're town then calm your load and answer my question with a rational response that doesn't make me think you scumslipped.

[MattP]

People just don't grok me
like at all

Me neither, but I don't replace out when people torture me for days in games I'm town in by calling me scum

See: Posh mafia and War is Hell

Just suck it up and answer my questions, and if you're rational I won't want you dead. Threatening me with replacement will only make me hate you

[MattP]

I'm saying in general calm your tits, you're not free from people placing votes on you just because you've had a traumatic past exp bro

[MattP]

VOTE: Iecerint

pedit: By PoE I'm now very unsure who the scum are, Oversoul, and I really don't wanna think Hiraki is scum

[MattP]

I would also do a Chk wagon

[MattP]

WAIT

perhaps I should not vote iece and vote chk

Unvote

I should be on whatever wagon is not going through, because then I can be used as a cop of sorts

VOTE: Chkflip

[MattP]

Chk as scum is also possible

but matt you will die regardless >_>

That's assuming there's a NK

If there's just the zombies I should be immune for the remainder of the game to alignment flippage / death

FTR the major issue I have with your replace out threat is that now if you are turned into a zombie you have to go along with the replacement threat to be consistent and then it's officially really fucked up that you're doing that. You should cut the replace-out threatening right now, seriously, don't mess up the game because you don't want to be mislynched, it's part of the agreement of signing up for a game that your alignment is unknown so dont ruin the game

[MattP]

Myko said all antitown are "scum"

HD's result could have meant there were 3 zombies

[MattP]

So you're saying I'm essentially immune to everything but being lynched

[MattP]

then why not kanye :/

Because as you said Kanye is my scumbuddy

[MattP]

shut up I got paranoid about kanye but I am over it and why would my read influence who you have your vote on

Lolwut, I've had a townread on kanye all day, are you on LSD

[MattP]

You really ought to stop being such a VI so that I don't constantly doubt my townread on you

[MattP]

Yeah mollie is really bringing me back to UN in Posh mafia

[MattP]

My brain is mush from this game

[MattP]

I GUESS MUSHY BRAIN SYNDROME IS A ZOMBIE TELL

[MattP]

Can we just PL mollie

[MattP]

Be careful Thor, only scum or VIs call PM's play bad, and since I'm guessing ur not a VI I'm starting to get p suspicious here

[MattP]

Why Thor

[MattP]

because orc was obvious scum and they're the same slot

Yeah but Thor has been kind of cute

[MattP]

VOTE: thor

Reason: Sheeping Thor

[MattP]

Can we actually PLEASE do this

VOTE: Chkflip

Like IDGAF whether Thor is scum right now, we know chkflip is (cop guilty, tracked him to the kill, roleblocked him last night) so can we just do this

It's nauseating to read his filler posts with Thor, everything he's done is nauseating, I've about had it

[MattP]

Why is the self vote throwing people into confusion?

Don't even speak, just vote chkflip day phase over

[MattP]

Wait ok but you think he's scummy right?

[MattP]

Is Chkflip bussing? More at 11

[MattP]

Uuum no

[MattP]

why not

that is the first thing that thor has that said I liked

Because he's town?

[MattP]

Please read D1

Ty

[MattP]

The fact that you're ignoring chk sucks ass

pedit: I really don't want to explain so that sucks bro. You could ISO him

[MattP]

I think it's more effective for you to ISO and try to guess why he's town ty [:

[MattP]

not voting (6): Kanyeknowsbest

[MattP]

oooo yea

[MattP]

I'm calling him Kaney from here on out, lewl.

As long as we're not lynching Thor I'm solid with whatever town comes up with.

I'd expect a worthless question's answer to be ignored.

^scum

I think it's more effective for you to ISO and try to guess why he's town ty [:

So...'gut' ?

Actually no

Now please iso his d1

[MattP]

Myko said that it would show up as recruit

The thing that irks me is that hoopla lied and said it wouldn't show up as recruitment and that PV lied. I'm trying to figure out if that somehow implicates empking. It seems like she could have been protecting him but idk why of emp was scum she would have dragged him down with her. She did stall on the neighborhood claim so it's possible she was discussing in the qt if she should create a neighbor fake claim with emp as a gambit.

[MattP]

Idk it seems bizarre that hoopla would out empking like that, it's just such a stupid play

[MattP]

And if hoopla was using it as a fake claim to explain the recruitment reading / make a cover story why would she simultaneously say that myko said it wouldn't come up as recruitment and that PV was lying

It seems very contradictory to the very reason she would fake claim being neighborized

[MattP]

I'm just being devils advocate. I'm pointing out this is incredibly sloppy as contradictory from a scum standpoint but maybe scum is literally that stupid

[MattP]

VOTE: empking

This vote is an insult from me saying I think scum could really be this stupid

[MattP]

Actually

VOTE: chkflip

I want emp lynched but lemme say here to see if I get those powers

[MattP]

i have a guilty on empking

[MattP]

Actually, I'm fairly certain right now that Empking is scum

[MattP]

Ok and now I'm not so certain

]:

[MattP]

I may have just found a very legitimate scumslipish type thing

[MattP]

Wait I need to clarify one thing

Empking: What was the specific date and time that Hoopla claimed to you in your QT

[MattP]

Pls empking come back & talk to me

[MattP]

That's bizarre. Iecerint never flakes to my knowledge

[MattP]

Empking is avoiding thread just lynch him

His time line doesn't make sense of what he claimed happen in his qt

[MattP]

Day starts

Five days later empking votes PV

He claims at day start he had a scumread on hoopla in the neighborhood

Hoopla said she would stop lurking (so lets assume this is three days into day two) and they "exchange pleasantries" but emp has no reason to townread her yet since apparently there was barely any discussion in their qt

Two days later emp votes PV and says hoopla is almost probably town

The transition of emps reads with the timeline don't make sense

[MattP]

In fact hoopla only posted once prior to the PV claim and it was a two sentence post three days before pvs claim

If hoopla told emp she would stop lurking she never actually did (and claims she even forgot about the game which doesn't match her promise to emp that she would stop lurking unless she promised after the 12th but then she would have had to promise on the 15th when she started posting, which would mean there was no reason for emp to already have a townread on her on the 15th)

So there is no way emp got a townread on hoopl a prior to his vote on PV and defense of hoopl a unless he already had a townread on her prior which he claims he didn't. So he's lying

That was the scumslip I found

[MattP]

Before (Daybreak)
- We asked eachother if we were town. She asked me why I neighbourised her. I asked her how, in general, she finds posting in two QTs for one game.

[MattP]

So then why did you neighborize her?

[MattP]

I basically took an arbitrary name that I recognized.

That's a terrible way to use a neighborize

I don't believe you

[MattP]

That said, he does raise an interesting point that's more valid - *why did you start town reading* Hoopla?

Well that falls in line with the scumslip, which is *when* did he start townreading her. There is no apparent point in which he could have due to the *whys*

[MattP]

VOTE: IECE

Just because I wanna investigate him

[MattP]

You said you "chose someone arbitrary"

Not that you "chose someone arbitrary that hadn't been looked at"

Regardless, I know you're scum for *reasons* I'm not going to get into

[MattP]

Hey guys,

I'd like to point out that I am 100% positive that empking is scum due to a *reason*

While it's cute that scum are trying to divert attention elsewhere and I'll be sure to look into that tomorrow, we should fucking hammer

[MattP]

Also, to whomever is recruited tomorrow, I'm so sorry you just wasted 70+ pages fighting for the win of one team just to be arbitrarily moved to the other

[MattP]

And there is a reason, Thor, I'm not just bullshitting. It's a reason separate from my scumhunting that I'm not going to talk about until later

Pedit: AP just read the thread at night? There's no reason to prolong a practically confirmed zombie

[MattP]

If you're worried about dying tonight or something before you can deliver your epic speech AP, I can reassure you that if there is a scumteam they have bigger fish to currently fry

[MattP]

Hoopla was recruited last night by zombies, Not neighborized. Or at least she is guaranteed to have been recruited. And myko said if multiple things had happened to Hoopla when PV voyeured, then PV would have gotten multiple results but he only got one result. Therefore, Hoopla was not neighborized and therefore Empking is lying and is scum

The reason I know Empking was not neighborized is something I'm REALLY not going to get into. But it's pretty much 100% confirmed. If you need to be a hammer then vote Empking

[MattP]

I'm sorry empking but you're confirmed for reasons beyond your realm of control, which just sucks

pedit: Yes AP, I'm effectively a one-shot cop. If I am on scum when a player is lynched I gain a power if I do it enough times. I've already been on scum once so I assume this upcoming time I'll receive a power, therefore proving a player to be scum

I'm using it on iecerint

[MattP]

Do you think he actually has results on you?

What a stupid question