HunterxHunterxMafia: Yorknew City: Endgame

[MonkeyMan576]

Hi everyone, if anyone wants to give me a basic rundown of what I've missed, that would be great, or it will take a while for me to read the thread.

[MonkeyMan576]

Maybe 24-48 hours for a solid readthrough.

[MonkeyMan576]

Just to show I'm not flaking, I've read the first 10 pages:


Post #44: Nacho asks Budley for a truce(-1)

Post #45: Nacho attacks a random vote.(-1)

Post#47: Carbon votes Nacho(+1)

Post #52: FSnake votes PimHel RVS when there is already non-RVS content.(-1)

Post #68: 2 attacks Nacho(+1)

Post#84: Maxous votes without a good reason(-1)

Post#99: Toasty Toast calls out 2 for WIFOM. I hate WIFOM(+1)

Post #135: Solid post from Kitty.(+1)

Post #137: Rememberence backs Kitty(+1)

Post #143: Metal Sonic doesn't know that we're not in RVS anymore(-1)

Post #144: CF Riot attacks Metal(+1)

Post #144: HP makes a good point about Angsty's "townslip"(+1). Votes him later.

Post #151: disagree with 2 on defending WIFOM.(-1)

Post #158: Remila backs off 2 wagon(-1)

Post #159: Good multi-subject post from Kalimar(+1)

Post #160-167: 2 posts several times when it could all have been done in one post. He looks nervous.(-2)

Post #190: Remila does a good job explaining hydra's vs. Masons(+1)

Scumreads: 2, Nacho, Metal Leaning Scum: FSnake

[MonkeyMan576]

Readthrough continued:


Post #278: Nibelung posts his scum games(+1)

Post #281: CF Riot votes Sajin without a good reason(-1)

Post #322: 2 sheeps Angsty rather than doing his own scumhunting(-1)

Post #333: NewEarth OMGUS's in a long post(-1)

Post #343: Agree with Rememberence on his lean town reads on Pim and Kitten.(+1)

Post #345: Kitty is overconcerned with town perception(-1)

Post #374: Rem is only 75% sure on his own towniness?(-1)

Post #399: Kitty doesn't like being called town(-1)

Post #423: Good post from Sajin on associative tells(+1)

Post #427: Finally a good post from 2.

Post #429: Angsty makes a good repsonce from Sajin(+1)

Post #431: 2 votes with Nacho, confirming my scum reads on them(-1)

Post #471: Remembrence shows a willingness to consider others opinions(+1)

Post #475: Agree with Oversoul on his longwinded post for the most part. ProbTown(+2)

Post #486: Toast engages with 2(+1)

Post #491: A pretty bad post from Magua. A lot of words, not a lot of content(-1)

Post #497: Angsty votes Metal, much better candidates imho(-1)

[MonkeyMan576]

The New earth looks like a solid lynch.

Vote: TheNewEarth

[MonkeyMan576]

Scum don't like to give away their buddies.

[MonkeyMan576]

CF Riot, Magua, and maxuos where the players not on either scum lynch. I'm for lynching any of them.

Vote: CF Riot

[MonkeyMan576]

If you thought TNE was scum why weren't you on the TNE wagon?

[MonkeyMan576]

If you thought TNE was scum why weren't you on the TNE wagon?

For your convenience, I will just quote the appropriate section of my ISO, so that you have to do as little work as possible.

TNE, walk me through why you claimed to have targeted hp leaves instead of claiming truthfully.

I know what he did. Want to know the why.

I would actually be very unsurprised if TNE flipped town. But, alas:

VOTE: TNE

Then don't bloody vote until TNE's actually responded.

We've got three days.

Look, implosion, not to be

too much of a dick

a dick, but can you let TNE answer the questions?

Thanks.

This sounds like an excuse. I would think that if you really thought he was guilty, or if you weren't protecting TNE, you would have actually voted. That, combined with your poor voting record overall, makes you a better target than hp imho.

[MonkeyMan576]

I would rather lynch someone that hasn't voted scum, but hp's lack of responce has me thinking he might be guilty.

Unvote:
Vote: Hp

[MonkeyMan576]

Hp isn't lynched yet?

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: CF Riot

[MonkeyMan576]

CF Riot has a horrible voting history.

[MonkeyMan576]

Which is saying something considering how awesome we(the town) are doing.

[MonkeyMan576]

I could get behind a tt lynch also.

[MonkeyMan576]

and if i am?
while you are wasting your time on CF, whose most recent post explaining his thoughts sounded incredibly town?

And it doesn't change his horrible voting record.

[MonkeyMan576]

And it doesn't change his horrible voting record.

This is stupid because D1 was D1 and D2 and 3 were both lynches on caught scum that I was never against. Everyone I've voted is unflipped, so you tell me why you think they're bad to vote for.

It's bad because anyone can say "I was never against" a wagon but not vote and not have to be held accountable.

[MonkeyMan576]

join the wagon Metal!

[MonkeyMan576]

So your supposed role hasn't actually worked yet?

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay, I have real doubts about you but this seems like a verifiable role.

Unvote:

Vote: Toasty Toast

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not sure I understand the case on Maxous.

[MonkeyMan576]

Magua lynch seems to make sense.

unvote
Vote Magua

[MonkeyMan576]

unvote
Vote maxuos

Sorry wrong person.

[MonkeyMan576]

We're not running out of time or anything. Plenty of time to go after another lynch right? Another verifiable role.

Unvote:
Vote: Toasty

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah I was assuming he would calk his protections.

[MonkeyMan576]

What object are you talking about?

[MonkeyMan576]

Should we really limit our options to CF and Maxous or do more scumhunting?

[MonkeyMan576]

What makes you think scum won't try to kill someone that may be protected?

[MonkeyMan576]

Seems to me that giving the mafia information is bad in the long run. The town's interests are best served keeping the mafia guessing as much as possible.

[MonkeyMan576]

What object are you talking about?

I was given an antique from your predecessor Night 1.

Monkey anything to say here?

yes, it gave me an ability. I'd rather talk about it as it would give information about my role.

[MonkeyMan576]

*not talk about it.

[MonkeyMan576]

You know WIFOM usually works out badly for town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Toasty is clearly the one that needs to go here.

[MonkeyMan576]

What is it you're wanting? I'm already on the best wagon.

[MonkeyMan576]

My job is to lynch scum, which I'm doing pretty well.

[MonkeyMan576]

I find it difficult to believe toast's accusations without a claim of some kind. Unless he has claimed and I didn't see it.

[MonkeyMan576]

Because its just as likely he's scum trying to get a townie lynched instead of him.

[MonkeyMan576]

I would at least like to know what he is basing his assumptions on.

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay so I had to read a lot to find the claim. Apparently his characters alignment is not clear cut and he claimed vt. But he is not acting like a vt and he thinks we should lynch a claimed pr instead. This seems like a no brainier.

[MonkeyMan576]

You seem far too concerned about your survival.

[MonkeyMan576]

And insulting me doesn't make you any more town.

[MonkeyMan576]

monkey, claimed vts can advocate for lynches on claimed prs if they want... that doesn't violate any rules nor any norms.

Wanting to survive is absolutely not a sign of not being a vt. Wanting to survive is a sign of being the kind of player who wants to survive.

I'm not reading all this crap anymore. Carbon gimme a list. I'm hammering as soon as I have the list and someone is at L-1.

So much sympathy with this sentiment.

It's a matter of degree IMHO.

[MonkeyMan576]

To me, his behavior is not so much of a reason for wanting to lynch so much as that he is the best option of the three. Am I suspicious of maxous? Yes, but given ToastyToast's character's questionable alignment, I'm willing to risk lynching him over lynching a claimed bodyguard.

[MonkeyMan576]

Ok, well that's a fair point(wasn't aware of that), but there's still the question of if it's worth risking another town claim, for a lynch that's minimal risk(probably not a town power role), and potentially high reward.

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay I'm convinced.

unvote
Vote maxous

[MonkeyMan576]

No one told me that. Sorry. But I am town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Someone might have said something during the final wagon push. I would have gladly deferred.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm fine with massclaim.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not so sure he is, but his power seems to be provable, if he uses it. I'm still waiting on proof, myself.

[MonkeyMan576]

We don't have any need for people to claim in any "preferred order" I say we just go from top to bottom or randomize it.

[MonkeyMan576]

According to who?

[MonkeyMan576]

I am Zepile, One Shot Antiques Dealer. Once per game I can give someone an object. I don't know what it does, if anything. Night one I gave it to Remelia Scarlet. I have no more powers.

[MonkeyMan576]

I know that I have an artifiact, I just don't know what it does. My ability is Antiques Dealer.

[MonkeyMan576]

Maybe it needs to be activated somehow?

[MonkeyMan576]

The ability was the object. I assumed it did something eventually.

[MonkeyMan576]

Do what you like, I'm pretty useless to the town anyway, besides my vote. Which has been used pretty well to this point I might imagine. And I thought we were looking for these phantom people.

[MonkeyMan576]

You think it makes sense for an object to be in the game that doesn't do anything?

[MonkeyMan576]

I never said without a doubt. I was making an assumption. If you want to lynch me for that, go ahead, I'm sure you could do worse, but you would think that people that, you know, didn't have proven night actions would be higher on your list.

[MonkeyMan576]

vote magua

In addition to his weird comment he has not been on the last two wagons.

[MonkeyMan576]

Edit any lynch

[MonkeyMan576]

Scum have been bussing so misvoting is a town tell?

And not everyone needs to claim?

And his horrible voting record?

Obv scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

I love that my town behavior(voting history, supposed town tell) are all scum fakes.

[MonkeyMan576]

Are we letting CF hammer or should I hammer?

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

[MonkeyMan576]

Um, how am I throwing the game again? Someone needed to hammer. I'm pretty sure the town is in a good position.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not scum and I'm not mad about anything. I'm pretty sure Kitty will end the game anyways.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote Magua

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: Monkeyman

Because my penis has a big hard crush on him

I just realized given how many mislynches we have and how scummy monkeyman is Idgaf that much

You realize how rediculous that is. Our lynch record is pretty awesome.

[MonkeyMan576]

This case against me is so strong. Why not lynch someone who hasn't been catching scum, like, you know, Magua?

[MonkeyMan576]

Well if you are going to lynch me you are probably gonna get scum by pure odds. It would be a spectacular choke job if you dont tho .

[MonkeyMan576]

My role will flip as Zepile, Antiques Dealer.

[MonkeyMan576]

Neither do I since I have not watched the show, but this is his wiki article:

Zepile Edit



Zepile (ゼパイル, Zepairu) is an antiques trader who helps Gon raise funds for the Southernpiece Auction in Yorknew City. Contents [show]

Appearance

Zepile is a man who has short, light brown hair with long sideburns on both sides of his face. His most prominent feature is his wavy, thick, brown eyebrows. He wears a red blazer with black stripes on edges, a white shirt underneath, which has a large collar that reveals a large amount of his chest and a dark pants.
Plot
Yorknew City arc

Zepile first appears in Yorknew City when Gon and Killua were about to be scammed by the owner of a pawn shop. Zepile used to counterfeit famous antiques in his youth, but got a decent living through trading antiques. He now tries buys back all of the counterfeit goods he made whenever he comes across them. His counterfeits possess aura, which he unconsciously used without knowing it. He teaches Gon and Killua on how to spot scams regarding antiques, particularly about wooden vaults. Gon leaves him to the task of raising money by selling the antiques that they managed to collect. Zepile manages to get back Gon's savings back to 1 Billion Jenny so that he can buy back his pawned Hunter License. Zepile then decided to become a Hunter himself.
Greed Island arc

Zepile knocked out by Killua in the Hunter exam
Zepile participates in the 288th Hunter Exam but is knocked unconscious by Killua, whom knocks out all of the other applicants in order to finis

[MonkeyMan576]

I have sent the mod a pm. Waiting for response.

[MonkeyMan576]

An antique dealer sends an object to another person and that person is told who sent it, but the object has no other effect.

[MonkeyMan576]

That's correct

[MonkeyMan576]

Actually my predecessor sent it.

[MonkeyMan576]

Same as a innocent child I suppose.

[MonkeyMan576]

Good that the scum does not think I am scum lol.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes that helps your cause. Stifling discussion is very pro town

[MonkeyMan576]

That's what the mod told me.

[MonkeyMan576]

So your saying the mod gave you additional info that was not in your original role PM or that you misspoke earlier?

I asked for clarification and the mod clarified. The original pm did not elaborate on the item.

[MonkeyMan576]

What, that the mod wouldn't give me info that's not in my role PM? That's a pretty crappy reason to vote for someone, mod's have lots of discression.

[MonkeyMan576]

You'd know better than me. Just a messenger.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't really know how to defend myself because the attack is weak.

You're speculating on mod behavior.

I think there are lot's more people that are more suspicious.

But my role is pretty worthless so I can't say voting for me will risk in losing the game or anything.

[MonkeyMan576]

Magua's voting record is horrible and anyone with a voting record that bad shouldn't be in the game.

[MonkeyMan576]

It's a convoluted role. How am I supposed to make a convoluted role seem less convoluted? This is not a normal setup.

[MonkeyMan576]

Thanks for the game, hito, and well done to the Town. The Town investigative roles being assigned to strong players definitely helped a lot in reaching a Town victory.

The mafia made quite a lot of slip-ups particularly around fakeclaimed roles, so a part of the 'clean' win was down to that as well. TNE's slip-up led to not only his lynch but hp's lynch as well without quarter. Maxous' fakeclaim drew a lot of attention too (and would only have bought him a couple of days at best), and the more Monkey was questioned the more the holes appeared. Having said that, I'm sure I wouldn't have done any better.

I liked the thought put into the mechanics. I particularly liked the idea of the 'We Are the Spider' pregame ability to help scum maximise its best assets with the best player. Had the mafia team misdirected the first lynch or two, their powers would have been incrementally useful over time; the longer the team remained intact the more information they could obtain to obscure and damage the Town. The flipside of that was that they were vulnerable in the early game, and alas, the Town struck hard.

I didn't do a lot of flavour speculation because I was fairly sure I wasn't the best person to be doing it. This was evidenced in part by thinking there would be a scum doctor of some kind which could have been the Machi character. However, CF Riot (I think...) eventually brought up the idea of using the jailkeep ability defensively which made me doubt it. I hadn't actually realised you could do that, so I learned something new.

On another note, I can see why 'Owl the Jailkeeper' was included as a fakeclaim - for Feitan - but I'm not sure the fakeclaim would have held up that well once pretty much every other role turned out to be more exotic in nature. Hypothetically I think that usage of it could unwittingly have shot the mafia in the foot a bit in the long run considering some of the consternation over Maxous' claim for that reason. Was that intended?

Finally: Monkey, why did you kill me at the end there?

My kill didn't go through the previous night so I justed wanted a kill that would go through.

[MonkeyMan576]

The odds were somehow stacked against me, but thanks, I did my best:).

[MonkeyMan576]

Hope Hiro doesn't mind me plugging that I need a replacement for Calvin and Hobbes mafia.