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Hence me saying that "If we can eventually confirm you protown, it makes sense for you to be Tribune EVERY day". Until then, I see no reason to elect him every day, since we can't necessarily trust him.AndrewS wrote:Now let's not jump to conclusions here...Even if Panzer has this ability, it's not necessarily wise to let the same player have it repeatedly.Mastermind of Sin wrote:But can you get two vetoes every time you are Tribune? Ask the mod for clarification if you don't know. If we can eventually confirm you are protown, it makes sense for you to be Tribune EVERY day, since that'll give us an extra veto each day.
Your use of logical fallacy combined with inescapably false factualizations astounds me, Zindaras. Mith, having yet to write said article, cannot yet have supplanted the established principles set forth by Jeep and amended by Pheobus in his "Mafia Principles Redux" article, circa 2005. These guidelines,Zindaras wrote:You're begging the question. Mith's "Better Mafia Principles" article, circa 2008, clearly suggests that we should verily cessate Battle Mage's awareness in terms of this game, i.e. compel him to expire.Mastermind of Sin wrote:Don't compare apples to oranges, Zindaras. In terms of relevance, the cessation of BM's awareness calls for a concrete analysis vis-a-vis our Consuls, as referred to in Jeep's "Mafia Principles" article, circa 2003.
Yes it is. It's circular logic in a sense, but when you think about it, what reason WOULD I have to try to act scummy if I'm scum?Raffles wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not being picky on you, MoS. I'm just curious why you had something like 4 votes (2 from Consuls) even before you made a single post.
And that last post is WIFOM-debatable. It's basically a twisted version of saying, "if I was a scum, I would make sure I'm not acting scummy"
Raffles wrote:As I have tried to push (and failed) so many times, we have a week to elect a tribune. In a normal mafia game, a week might be enough to get some way through discussion. It might give an insight into who could more likely be a scum, and who could less likely be a scum. And I can't see how consulmaker would be any different. I would have preferred to have some discussion with the person in question before voting on someone other than myself.Zindaras wrote: What other criterium do you suggest we use when he have virtually nothing to go on?
*speechless*Zindaras wrote:MoS has a better track record than any other non-Consul in this game (and maybe even better than any Consul, too). MoS has experience and skill, and those two variables are most important.Battle Mage wrote:meh-ill believe it when i see it. So far all he is done is go off-topic and confuse me (and CES by the looks of it). I am very dubious of the amount of support he acquired before he even made a post-especially from both tribunes. Toaster Strudel voted for him without any reason whatsoever.
FOS: Toaster Strudel, Zindaras, Primate
Also, regarding the confusion thing, I think it was actually good for the town and that it was a bit of a shame that Cessy broke it so harshly.
BM, isn't the fact that both Consuls voted me generally a point in my favor? The consulmaker picked fairly experienced and reliable players, and the chances of both being scum are slim to none. The fact that both of them would trust me with Tribune is just a monument to my perceived experience by other good players.Battle Mage wrote:i originally voted for Twito because i thought he was a genuine sorta guy who would play the game honestly if he was town. He didnt turn up, and Raffles did, so i changed my vote to him. Evidently Raffles is active, and from his posts i would say he is perceptive. given a choice between someone who looks like clever scum (MoS) and someone who i feel will play the game properly, i chose Raffles. I still think he is the best candidate we have at the moment.
i will ask the same question about the MoS wagon. Why vote for him? i dont want the same old answer- "hes really good". How do you know he isnt scum?, and most of all, why has no-one picked up on the fact that BOTH consuls have voted for him?
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AndrewS wrote:Raffles - the question wasn'twhether or not you could make substantial posts,it waswhether you actually. In other words - there is absolutely no reason for you to have such following - yet you do. Why? Is this inexperienced scum attempting to support one of their own, not realizing that they were giving themselves away? Newbies blindly following the person that they see the most? Quite frankly, I'd like to hear explanations from everyone who voted for Raffles as to why. It makes no logical sense.had
ROFL. Just, roflmao.Battle Mage wrote:but lets just say the consulmaker picked one or BOTH scum as consuls. What does that make you? well, either scum, or someone easy to manipulate. From your claims you obviously do not consider yourself to be the latter, so odds are that you are scum if either of them are.
The idea of a tribune is someone to keep the balance between the consuls and the ordinary people. Personally i would rather put my faith in someone who was a little less 'under the thumb' as they say.
i do not have the time to go through all 85 of your games, and i do not see the relevance. I agree that you are almost certainly an EXPERIENCED player, but whether or not you are a good one remains to be seen. Everyone can have lucky guesses at who is scum. if 1 success out of 85 games is all you can offer, i have to express some doubt at your skill. However i think the best thing to do would be to wait and see for myself
Im also very concerned at the way in which Zindaras and AndrewS (the latter a little more subtly) seem to be sucking up to Raffles. this is probably not a scum tell-more of a greed-tell, but i still think it should be noted.
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Did you mean to say MoS instead of mole?TheEyeOfMordor wrote:I am voting for MoS because I can reasonably trust him not to blunder as a Tribune and his play has been proper so far.
I also support AndrewS for Tribune, he also has experiance and I feel similar about his play and MoS's play.
However AndrewS did not nominate himself, he chose to nominate mole instead. That will be an interesting point later in the game.
Battle Mage wrote:please reference me to these snide comments that have you so worked up. i dont see any reason why you should be upset, as i dont believe i have insulted you.
I didn't have to search very hard.Battle Mage wrote:ROFL. For someone who doesnt think of themselves as conceited, you do like to talk about yourself alot dont you?
I'm not offended, but I don't believe I'm alone in saying it's not appreciated. Your comments are not only counterproductive, but they're just outright useless.Battle Mage wrote:Ive merely expressed a doubt that you are trustworthy. If you find this offensive, im very surprised you lasted 85 games of Mafia.
Yea, it was pretty productive. Let me put it this way, BM. Without begging the question, here's what you did, and what Zindybuns did a pretty effective representation of.Battle Mage wrote: lol at the little dialogue. Really productive. Im sure a career in script writing awaits.![]()
Just thought I'd point out that if you think looking scummy is a good basis for how skillful a player is, you've gotta rethink your strategy. While some skill is based off looking protown (and ironically, I seem to look more protown the scummier I actually am, in most cases), this is more important for scum to master than townies. The most important thing to measure skill is the ability to find scum, so I find it hard to believe that you can logically believe you can relate me looking scummy to how good I am at the game.Battle Mage wrote:how is confusing the town good?![]()
As i say, ill personally assess his skill based on how he plays. So far he looks pretty scummy, but its not vote time yet. I havent been in a game with him (as far as i remember) so i will reserve judgement until this one has continued.
Hypocrit.Battle Mage wrote:no i didnt. is your comprehension ok, or are you deliberately being faciscious?![]()
You obviously have no intention of helping the town, courtesy of your last sentence. your desperation to argue with me is also rather scummy.
Cephrir wrote:Did you just say your own argument was WIFOM? I totally agree, but that sort of defeats the purpose of arguing. The sad thing is, I'm going to keep my vote on you just because I don't want to listen to you anymore.
What in my posts makes you think I would want to execute you?Battle Mage wrote:actually it was because i knew i was protown, but was confused at coming up scum. The go town bit was genuine, but i was unsure of the reasoning behind my role coming up different.![]()
As for voting Twito tribune, its hardly surprising for me, seeing as he is one of the few people i expect to make a good decision in a game like this. Surprisingly im quite hopeful today. With MoS as Consul, i figure that i cant lose. If he chooses to lynch me, it will be funny because he is wrong. If he doesnt choose to lynch me, i get to live another day.
i still feel that Primate/Zindy are pretty scummy. At least 1 of them is scum imo, though obviously those views dont do alot of good today.
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