Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[Majiffy]

AGar, marry me.

there has been so much noise ... in the Kalimar/Majiffy/Waynegg and stuff fight back there

You clearly weren't reading it, then.

I'm kinda scared that kanye and I are in sync this game. That doesn't happen.

Imagine my horror when I realized that wayne and I were.

Wayne is like my only townread and i want to lynch him...

Speaking of good vig kills

Oh, hey Sven!

If you guys are going to just let Kalimar not even actually claim but

daykill someone who didn't even look town

Chuckle.

It was a ridiculous example of how to balance with two vig to end a ridiculous conversation which was going nowhere. Speaking of going nowhere, that's probably the definition of pie

VOTE: AA

Why are you dropping the wagon on scum in favor of it's assuredly-town-counterwagon?

[Majiffy] passed the threshhold of "playing really well if scum" to "can't fake this as scum" a little while ago.

I want you to thoroughly elaborate on this with quotes and links.

btw im still waiting on majiffy or agar or someone to sell me on the pieguy scum how come no1s made ne effort to do that yet.

Because it's all in the fucking thread and has been explained by 3 people 7 fucking times.

Go reread you cunt.

I don't think the wagon on AA9 needs much cheerleading.

It's a fucking scum-led counterwagon and you need to get the fuck off it.

We have too much content for us to throw the lynch away on policy.

[Majiffy]

also yah i havent read like the 4 pages before when i started posting again because a lot of it was noise so i didnt know how accurate my statement was. ioll have to actually look @ what some of yall are sayin i guess. i was rly hoping someone would summarize their stance nicely and concisely 4 me tho.

>Pie was a scumbutt
>We pressured pie
>Pie claimed vig with a dubious breadcrumb, started making inane theories about why I'm scum based on his dubious breadcrumb
>Shut down all his arguments
>Retroactively changes his arguments, continues to be a little scumbutt
>Secondary vig claim, of which I see town motivation and a much more believable breadcrumb
>Theory supports second vig being legitimate and first vig unlikely

Theres the tl;dr.

i thought all you needed was to highlight.

Not when you're mobile browsing.

But I really can't see Majiffy being town

Can't see much of anything, then, I reckon.

[Majiffy's] extremely weak arguments

Pray tell, which arguments are weak, and why?

[Majiffy]

I'm satisfied.

You've finally earned a town read. Now vote pie.

[Majiffy]

Also be more active.

But first vote pie.

[Majiffy]

I feel like I've played with you before but a scan of your threads says I haven't.

This is going to bother me.

[Majiffy]

And for the love of god, do not fucking claim.

[Majiffy]

Because 5/6 other claims were fucking unprompted and, as a general rule, everyone claiming helps scum massively and helps town marginally, if at all.

[Majiffy]

My thoughts are 2 scum teams / 2 scum teams and an SK / scum team and an SK
With a heavy littering of mostly x-shot town PRs.

[Majiffy]

Like even/odd night PRs? Not out of the realm of possibilities. I generally rank those in the same power level as x-shot PRs when I'm balancing my own setups.

Frankly, setup-spec isn't going to help us much with just a VT flip.

[Majiffy]

If you think I didn't expand on my arguments then you didn't read the "20 or so" pages of "spam". Which would explain why you think they're spam, and also why you aren't voting pie.

Piescum has relatively little to do with Kalimar killing someone. That's just an additional factor.

Also I thought your claim was scummy at the time it came and the fact it was a fullclaim, and the fact you request a prot, and the fact it's watcher, of all the stupid things.

I'll wait while you explain why

any

of this is scummy.

[Majiffy]

Considering I just got here, and assuming you're Town, is there anything you think I should know, please?

Yes. Pie is obvscum and you should be voting him. AA9 wagon is a borderline lurker lynch/policy lynch that is being pushed by scumbutts as a counterwagon to the pressure on pie.

All of this is empirical fact and is checkable in the game thread.

[Majiffy]

If you think I didn't expand on my arguments then you didn't read the "20 or so" pages of "spam". Which would explain why you think they're spam, and also why you aren't voting pie.

Piescum has relatively little to do with Kalimar killing someone. That's just an additional factor.

Also I thought your claim was scummy at the time it came and the fact it was a fullclaim, and the fact you request a prot, and the fact it's watcher, of all the stupid things.

I'll wait while you explain why

any

of this is scummy.

I read along and couldn't see anything except hijacking of logical conversation at your end and constant pie's a scumbutt/vote pie/WHAT/FACEPALM.

So you didn't see his inane theory of me seeing his ridiculously ludicrous breadcrumb and pushing for his lynch despite the fact that I could just go silent and kill him at night?
And you didn't see him backtrack as hard as fucking possible when I called him out on that?
and you didn't see him continue to throw out more and more inane theories to call me scum henceforth?

You need to learn how to read.

And of course you realise that fullclaiming a role similar to my own, if you're scum, just drags legitimate protects off actual PRs so you can nightkill the real claims at leisure. Especially when you're talking about self-watching, which means you would need a *doc protect*.

That's a big if. Plus, your argument goes as such;
"You're scummy"
Why?
"Because x is scummy if you're scum"

This is circular. You're calling me scum for doing something that benefits me

if

I'm scum.

And there's nothing wrong with an informative PR asking for protection. That's kind of what they're there for.

[Majiffy]

^can you address why mafia would claim vig please.

I explained this when pie claimed vig.

My argument isn't circular because there was no reason for you to claim in the first place with such a weak PR and with pie agreeing to shoot in a set. It reeks of self-preservation and not town motivation.

No, Nacho pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Majiffy]

Pie didn't believe there was a dayvig but I can't find it. I find it really likely that a nightvig would be suspicious of a dayvig.

This needs to be fact-checked because yes.

Vote: pieguyn

I suddenly feel very enlightened.

Attaboy.

okay so lets suppose pie comes in and decides to come clean and offers full cooperation with town. who do we lynch with one day left at that point?

Pie.

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Or we could lynch DV.

claim: SK

. congrats you win

Now lets keep sheeping Jiffy and either lynch Pie or DV.

ok why the fuck are we not lynching obv scum leviathan

Or claimed scum pie?

i think if anything scum's gonna shoot pie.

Unlikely.

If Pie's targets aren't scum, scum will keep him around to achieve their WC faster.
Pie could also be scum claiming SK for self-preservation at this point, which is even more dangerous as he can choose to exclude any scum from his faction in his list of killables.

Best lynch is still pie.

i wanna lynch dv over drd honsetly.

Thank you.

you conveniently missed the part where I fully claimed the flavor of my role

I know I can't make shit like that up, and if I'm really a bad player as you say, that should be even more obvious

You mean the flavor that was provided earlier in the thread?

[Majiffy]

Lets play Majiffy-Makes-More-Sense-Than-Anyone-Else-In-This-Game again!

Pie is either SK or lying scum.

If he is SK, chances are he's going to hit more town than scum being guided by an uninformed majority. This means any other scum team(s) will be closer to parity and thus they will leave him alive knowing we have to use a lynch on him.
To this extent, killing Pie is in town's interest.

If Pie is scum, he will not shoot members of his team even if they are in the lynch pool. This greatly increases his chances of hitting more town than scum. He will still not die because the other scum team will think he is SK and see above ^
To this extent, killing Pie is in town's interest.


There is no reason to not be voting claimed-scum-Pie right now. No reason. None.
Vote pie.

[Majiffy]

And if people were flowcharting properly we wouldn't have a dead mastin, an outted vig, an outted watcher and 80 pages. We'd have a dead scum/SK and probably closer to 30 pages.

So thanks for that, cunts.

[Majiffy]

Also DrDo is a really dumb lynch and you should all feel bad for it.

[Majiffy]

You provided a link to a Wiki.

[Majiffy]

Like, this isn't that hard. Pie is confirmed scum. We lynch confirmed scum.

[Majiffy]

It's really not worth the effort you're about to put in.

[Majiffy]

Supporting a lynch outside of Pie right now is like supporting Hitler, basically.

[Majiffy]

Reposting since apparently there are too many players in this game unable to read.

Pie is either SK or lying scum.

If he is SK, chances are he's going to hit more town than scum being guided by an uninformed majority. This means any other scum team(s) will be closer to parity and thus they will leave him alive knowing we have to use a lynch on him.
To this extent, killing Pie is in town's interest.

If Pie is scum, he will not shoot members of his team even if they are in the lynch pool. This greatly increases his chances of hitting more town than scum. He will still not die because the other scum team will think he is SK and see above ^
To this extent, killing Pie is in town's interest.


There is no reason to not be voting claimed-scum-Pie right now. No reason. None.
Vote pie.

[Majiffy]

I don't want him to feel like crap being compared to Hitler, lol.

ehhh, slightly off. =P more like Obama. =P

It was a joke.

It's really not worth the effort you're about to put in.

Ewww. Looking to see who is scum beyond the claimed scum is not a waste. If we can get organized after lynching the sk, we are in a better position.

We are organized. We're lynching DV next.

[Majiffy]

pieguy's an SK, titus is an X-Shot Dayvig, what's the difference? both are uninformed and are probably going to follow the uninformed majority.

How many shots does Titus have?

And you're missing the main point of the argument;

pie is claimed scum.

We aren't even certain that he's really SK and not lying scum using the SK claim to live a bit longer.

This is exactly the process by which town lynches scum. Are you going to press for a no lynch after Pie's death?

Do you always press to lynch possible-not-scum and kill possible-not-scum whilst keeping claimed-scum alive? Or is this just an exception?

[Majiffy]

If you aren't voting Pie, refute my arguments. Immediately.

[Majiffy]

DV seems pretty town to me on my readthrough, so why would we lynch him Majiffy? The fact is we are not organized when we cannot even lynch claimed scum.

Explain DV later. Pie is the play today.

We're plenty organized, we just need to get rid of some of these loudmouth scums that are actively keeping us from making progress.

hi majiffy. were not lynching pieguy today. dwi.

Hi kanye.

Yes we are.

Spoiler: Sak's pathetic attempt at refuting my position

1) It's a very risky maneuver to claim SK as scum, because if for some reason your lynchpool is full of scum, or for some reason your only target is scum, you'd be found out, and if you're still alive after several days you'll be found out too.

That's a huge if regarding the lynchpool being full of scum. And I've already explained why mafia will leave SK alive.

2) It's more likely for an SK to claim Vig than Scum to claim Vig, since then scum cannot explain the lack of a second kill, while an SK will be the source of a second kill.

Already explained this as well, back when Pie originally claimed vig.

3) SK is a Neutral/Third Party role... NOT scum, scum HAVE to get rid of him as much as we do since he cant joint, but he can help town until scum undoubtedly NKs him.

Their wincon is anti-town. Scum don't have to get rid of them;

we

do.

4) Leaving a leashed SK alive maximizes our chances at killing scum per day due to having 2 kills a day, while scum STILL can only kill once a day.

Also maximizes our chances of taking us to LYLO quicker since we don't know who scum are and scum sure as shit do.

5) Eventually if he's not dead when reaching LyLo he has to be lynched before then.

... This is in favor of killing him now.

I read pie as scumhunting early on, not hiding or coasting.

And I read him as scum early on. Look who was right! Guess you should probably start sheeping me now.

Plus, it's day1, so getting a couple or anti-mafia shots off, as well as absorbing a possible NK/RB, is worth it at this point. He may not be able to win, but this early claim makes it a better chance for us to win.

Except it doesn't. And I elaborated on why. So unless you're going to refute my arguments, vote pie.

I would be extremely happy if we got to control a scumfaction's NK.

If he is SK, chances are he's going to hit more town than scum being guided by an uninformed majority.

this is stupid.

Yes lets give them a list of people and they can kill the townies on the list, that's a great idea.

And it's not stupid; look how many PRs have claimed today. Look at how many bad wagons were run up. Look at how disorganized half the fucking town is.

The only reason pie even got to the point of claiming scum is because I and a few others have been consistently pushing for his lynch despite all the retards saying "hurr lets keep him around"

It's time for people to shut up and sheep.

[Majiffy]

DrDolittle, DeasVail, Pyrotechnics, Svenskt Stål, PeregrineV, ArcAngel9, kanyeknowsbest
If your name is on this list, you're not voting a viable wagon. Vote pie.

Sakura Hana, Natirasha, leviathan93, pieguyn, talah, Belisarius, NachoKoopa
If your name is on this list, you're being actively anti-town by counter-wagoning against a

confirmed scum.

Vote pie.

[Majiffy]

You're either a complete buffoon or illiterate.

[Majiffy]

Possibly both.

[Majiffy]

Hey pie guess what I caught you as scum.

You can't be trusted and every single one of your posts is just a big reeking pile of WIFOM.

See how fun this is \:D/

[Majiffy]

I'll go with both if that's all it takes for you to drop your Ad Hom on me and try to lynch non-Third Party scum.

What's wrong with lynching Third Party scum?

it would be a viable wagon if you werent so obstinate abt making the wrong decision

Last I checked, lynching the possibly-SK, possibly-SK-Claiming-Faction-Scum isn't "the wrong decision".

[Majiffy]

Yes lets give them a list of people and they can kill the townies on the list, that's a great idea.

We're telling him to kill one person.

[Majiffy]

it is when theyre claimed and its d1 in a 21 player large !

No, it isn't. I've already thoroughly explained why. If you disagree, please feel free to refute my arguments.

Failing to do so requires you to vote Pie.

[Majiffy]

This is how this game has gone so far;
1) Majiffy has been right
2) Lots of people have argued with Majiffy
3) Majiffy has continued to be right
4) Lots of people found out Majiffy was right
5) Town prospered

Here's what's going on now
1) Majiffy is still right
2) Lots of people are arguing with Majiffy
3) Majiffy continues to be right

I'm sensing a pattern.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: pie
happy majiffy?

Yes.

You don't notice the wealth of people going "pie, shoot aa9"?

Ah, yes, AA9. The counter-wagon to Pie before we got him to claim SK. The wagon that's probably on town, including a number of people on the wagon arguing that. Yes, shooting AA9 will most certainly result in a scum death. That is a brilliant idea.

[Majiffy]

If we keep Pie alive Pie needs to shoot DV, no questions asked.

[Majiffy]

It would, however, be smarter to LYNCH PIE THE KNOWN SCUM, and then lynch DV next. Or maybe use one of our handy-dandy investigative roles on him, etc etc. like smart townies do.

[Majiffy]

So you think AA9 is town because she was a counterwagon to an SK?

I think AA9 is town because the wagon sucked, the reasons sucked, scores of people on the wagon were calling her town, and we don't even know if claimed SK is even solo-aligned SK.

His claim of SK was way too convenient and felt more like lying faction scum than SK to me.

Which... hey, this reminds me of an argument I was making earlier and I was right about...

[Majiffy]

If he's aligned with a scum faction, then we have an

entire faction

making suboptimal kills (like AA9 over pretty much anyone else) when this is a 21 player game with a strong chance of multiball. If he's an SK, then he probably won't go "fuck you" and shoot someone randomly because this is a 21 player game and he's fucked if he goes off the path town tells him to go down.

I am quickly losing my townread on you.

[Majiffy]

Refute the logic, Majiffy.

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill. Any kill that isn't their faction is optimal. Because it brings them closer to parity.
If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and SK claim IS factional scum, SK claim will claim roleblocked or any other number of reasons why the kill didn't go through.
If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and the SK claim is SK, either the factional group will defend via roleblock or any other number of ways kills can be stopped, or kill the SK.

So basically the best possible net result we can get is a dead SK and every other option helps scum more than it helps town.

[Majiffy]

You are also starting from a bad position given the fact you implied my efforts would be wasted.

Tell me, out of 80 pages, how much did you actually learn? 80 pages worth? No? Mmkay then.

We have more pressing issues. Like a claimed scum not being quicklynched like claimed scum should be. You can read during the fucking nightphase.

I also seem to remember a bet from back in the day which had you wearing that I <3 Nacho avatar for a while. I'm pretty fucking sure pieguy is an SK and I do not mind leashing those kills at all.

I do. This isn't going to help town whatsoever.

[Majiffy]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill

are you fucking serious

I am fucking serious.

[Majiffy]

"any town" isn't an optimal kill. an optimal kill is either a PR or a really obvtown player

And what if one of those kills ends up being a PR? Mmkay then.

There aren't a whole lot of "obvtown" players floating around. The ones that should be (like yours truly) are still getting shit on despite being the only ones making any goddamned sense.

[Majiffy]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill. Any kill that isn't their faction is optimal. Because it brings them closer to parity.

Threats differ based on roles and players. For example, any scumfaction is much happier to kill Nacho the Global Cop than they are TiP the Vanilla townie. If we can force a scumteam to keep threats alive in favor of lesser threats, then that's a pretty awesome bonus for us.

Not if Nacho the Global Cop is leading lynches on townies and TiP the Vanilla Townie is calling out the whole scum team.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and SK claim IS factional scum, SK claim will claim roleblocked or any other number of reasons why the kill didn't go through.

And meanwhile, the scum is forced to no kill instead of shooting one of those threats.

So? You're letting scum sit around instead of getting rid of them.

Oh wait, yeah, he could also kill someone else and claim redirected. Which, oh wait, I think

I'VE FUCKING SAID THIS ALREADY WHEN HE CLAIMED VIG.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and the SK claim is SK, either the factional group will defend via roleblock or any other number of ways kills can be stopped, or kill the SK.

This doesn't seem that horrible.

It doesn't

help

us.

[Majiffy]

i honestly thought u were a better player than this majiffy.

I really want to reach through the screen and strangle you.

It doesn't help us.

you're right in that it doesn't help you

because you're scum

Right.

I'm

scum. That's cute.

[Majiffy]

but let's get the confTP first.

FTFY and i still disagree, having a leashed SK is like having a Vig.

No it fucking is not and I've already fucking explained several fucking times why.

[Majiffy]

Then the threats are still different and thus "any town is an optimal kill for scum" still doesn't hold.

My point was to refute your argument that there is an objective "optimal kill" that can be argued. There is no such thing, except for kills that directly increase scum's chance to win; reaching parity. Aka any town.

We can still lynch the partners pretty easily.

Then lets do that, after we kill pie and we have a

confirmed flip

to inform us.

Which is completely fucking stupid and which is something you can *watch* out for, hint hint.

Hint hint, no, you're dumb.

It doesn't help us when scum is killing otherscum for us?

That's most likely not going to happen.

[Majiffy]

So Majiffy, scum needs to kill the SK to achieve their wincon, who's the one helping with that?

So Sak, town needs to kill the SK to achieve their wincon. Who do you think is going to cave first?

[Majiffy]

Good chance to shoot each other, fucking lol. No, they're both going to go capping off claimed town PRs - which we have a whole lot of.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy: now that I think about it, opposing scum is the optimal NK for scum, not "any town" like you claim

That's

only if

there are multiple factions. Are you confirming multiple factions?

You little fucking scumbutt.

[Majiffy]

My point was that some kills that help scum's chances to win more than others, and leashing a scumfaction's kill to kills like AA9 are those kills that help their chances less.

Still moving them to parity quicker. Find a scum, lynch a scum.

It's not that big of a deal when he's probably just an SK.

I really,

really

fucking doubt it.

But hey it

would

help if it did.

and it

would

help if the mod just confirmed all the scum for us, but I'm not holding my breath for

woulds.

[Majiffy]

And if there are any scum redirectors or busdrivers we're giving scum two kills by keeping him alive.

[Majiffy]

... Or we could just lynch him now because it's more than likely going to happen than not.

[Majiffy]

And if there are any scum redirectors or busdrivers we're giving scum two kills by keeping him alive.

exactly why I wanted more choicse for WIFOM

That's only if there are multiple factions. Are you confirming multiple factions?

lol wow stop reaching

multiball seems like a pretty decent assumption that's all

And if we give you more choices the problems I pointed out become problems again.

Also multiball is not a pretty decent assumption for an SK. Not even close.

Thanks for slipping.

[Majiffy]

Seriously Pie is practically gloating that he's faction scum and everyone is writing him off as SK because kanye told him to claim it and he did.

[Majiffy]

Let's clarify.
Will Pie ever win this game as SK?

No. Is that even relevant to what I'm arguing?

So one less kill overnight. How is this bad?

Busdriver? Redirector? Absorber?

How is this bad? If they are RBing SK and Nking SK, they ain't RBing or NKing town.

Yes lets argue in favor of a plan because there's a possibility we

won't

be screwing ourselves!

I agree with the bolded, now explain how the two happenings above help scum.

All other possibilities result in dead townies ergo help scum reach parity faster.

[Majiffy]

hell with all the hype about Kdub I wouldn't put it past him to put multiball with a SK at all

considering I've seen games with mafia+SK+vigilante

Wow this is just bad.

town: kanye, Beli, PV, Levi, Pyro, Sakura, NachoKoopa, talah, Nati
scum: AGar, Empking, Majiffy, Tius, waynegg
null" everyone else

"All the people keeping me around are town and all the people wanting me dead are scum because lol"

[Majiffy]

I'll explain DVscum thoroughly after we get pie lynched. I don't want to go around distracting people from the number one priority.

[Majiffy]

A town-chained SK popping off townies is not a threat to a scum faction, it's a help.

[Majiffy]

You trying to convince me to lynch Pie. Aside from staing the obvious, what's the point of your first sentence?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p5402280

Chances are the directed shots are going to end up being on townies. This hurts town. We should not be following plans that hurt town.

Yes, we should fear these possible roles.

I don't think it's unlikely given how many PRs have already claimed.

Lost me with this.

When the best argument a plan has is "look there's a

chance

we're not fucking ourselves in the ass!", it's a bad plan.

You mean, the game, designed with this in mind, will play out, but instead of the single SK trying to catch scum, we have the whole town providing input?
Color me "not scared of this outcome."

You've lost me on this one.

[Majiffy]

A town-chained SK popping off townies is not a threat to a scum faction, it's a help.

it functions just like an extra lynch

Except scum can't do anything to stop a lynch.

[Majiffy]

and by having me choose from a set of players, they can't do anything to stop my kill either

... Why not?

if they roleblock me then just by me being alive I'm using up their roleblock stopping them from blocking another role

That's a

roleblock

. If they have something like a busdrive you're fucked.

Or, and I believe more likely, you're factional scum and the reason you're pushing for *options* is so that you can kill freely outside of whatever teammates you might have.

[Majiffy]

Seriously pie has been arguing this whole time from the perspective of

factional scum

, not

self-aligned SK

.
And his investigation-immune bit of his claim reeks of Godfather.

We need to be lynching him.

[Majiffy]

My point is that had Pie not claimed, and shot who he thought was scum, then the game was exactly balanced for that possibility.
Now, we are directing Pie to shoot scummier players, which, by definition of not being included in the game design, gives the benefit to town.

Why would he shoot scum first? He's alone; he needs to bring down the town numbers first before he goes scum-hunting.
It doesn't give benefit to the town because the only results are dead town or no kill.

That's a roleblock. If they have something like a busdrive you're fucked.

me choosing from multiple people counters this

No it doesn't. If there's scum in the group, you get redirected to town. If there isn't, you get allowed to kill town.

Either way, town dies.

[Majiffy]

But, leaving pie alive is a high-risk, marginally-mediocre-reward maneuver.

Fixed.

Or they have to burn their roleblocks/redirects on him as opposed to people who have claimed night actions like (assume town for this scenario) majiffy or leviathan--a town net positive.

You mean like redirecting his kill onto those people?

Bif it means we get additional chances of killing scum.

But we don't, and I've already shot all your possibilities down.

[Majiffy]

By this logic if he gets redirected we just used him as cop investigation on the others in that group.

Then scum will redirect him every night and get two night kills. Which is most likely anyway. Rendering this position moot.
Or he's factional scum and just claims redirected and kills whoever he wants. Which is also pretty fucking likely given the way he's been talking about multiball. Also rendering this position moot.

[Majiffy]

Pie: "This is pretty likely multiball"
Majiffy: "Two scum factions and an SK? Why is a third-party SK with no information about factions so sure about this?"
Pie: "I once saw a setup with a mafia+SK+Vig"

THIS IS HIS ARGUMENT.

SERIOUSLY THIS IS CAUGHT SCUM. THE SAME WAY HE WAS CAUGHT SCUM WHEN HE DID THAT INANE FUCKING VIG CRUMB MAJIFFY-IS-SCUM-PUSHING-ME THEORY.

[Majiffy]

Or we could lynch Piescum.

[Majiffy]

Also if the town's giving him a pool of shoots it's people town was planning to eventually lynch, so what's the issue? Scum losses potential mislynches too

[Majiffy]

I find it hard to believe that an experienced mod would allow for knowledge of the existence (or lack thereof) of other roles in a town role PM.

Also Pie is still scum and we should still be lynching scum.
Particularly since he's very heavily leaning towards factionscum.

[Majiffy]

And I'm saying I find it hard to believe such a role could exist.

[Majiffy]

Backup roles such as nurses, deputies, etc. imply the existence of a role. But I have never seen a role that negates the existence of a role purely by existing.

[Majiffy]

I wouldn't be posting so much if we would just lynch Pie like we should have done 40 fucking pages ago.

I am not moving my vote come hell or high water. And my vote will remain on Pie until he is no longer in the game. That's it.

[Majiffy]

Great call for a vig on the person who has single-handedly pushed for the now-claimed-scum's lynch all day.

That's just as pro-town as keeping said claimed-scum around!

You're so good at this game, Nat.

[Majiffy]

I wouldnt be opposed to a Majiffy lynch atm.

Of course you wouldn't! You have no intention of doing

anything

pro-town. I know this because you're not voting Pie.

[Majiffy]

HE'S FUCKING CLAIMED SCUM

[Majiffy]

SERIOUSLY.

WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU NOT GET.

HE IS SCUM. IT IS PRO-TOWN TO KILL SCUM.

[Majiffy]

STILL ANTI-TOWN.

COULD STILL BE LYING FACTIONAL SCUM.

I'VE BEATEN THE DEAD HORSE, REVIVED IT, KILLED IT AGAIN JUST SO I COULD BEAT IT HARDER.

THERE IS NO ARGUMENT THAT REFUTES MY POSITION. I HAVE FUCKED THEM ALL WITH A 12 INCH DILDO.

[Majiffy]

COULD BE =/= IS. YOU ATP TOO MUCH AT THIS POINT.

UNLESS YOU HAVE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO PROVIDE US REGARDING THE VALIDITY OF PIE'S CLAIM, THE ONLY WAY WE KNOW WHAT IS OR IS NOT IS BY

HEY

NOVEL FUCKING IDEA


LYNCHING THE CLAIMED FUCKING SCUM

[Majiffy]

And when I flip town I am going to rub my ballsack up and down your face.

[Majiffy]

And then when Pie flips factional scum I'm going to let you taste my asshole.

[Majiffy]

{Empking, ArcAngel9, Majiffy, DeasVail}

The only one in this pool that will likely flip scum is DV.

[Majiffy]

Nope, fuck it. I'm done.

You guys want to throw away a town victory by playing like fucking dipshits, go the fuck ahead.

Kill me tonight so I can look at the spoilers in the dead QT and mock the fucking morons that are town-aligned and not voting pie.

[Majiffy]

{Empking, ArcAngel9, Majiffy, DeasVail}

The only one in this pool that will likely flip scum is DV.

Then when they bus redirect the kill away from DV, we got a free cop investigation on those three!

See! I can use jiffy logic too!

Protip: If the scum redirect regularly, you can't use the redirect as an investigation.

[Majiffy]

That's just how waynegg speaks.

[Majiffy]

The real reason this pie wagon has no legs is because our wagon is composed of a lurker, a twit, an asshole, and a vig claim who shot a townie.

[Majiffy]

I'm the asshole, wayne's the twit.

[Majiffy]

I'm the asshole, wayne's the twit.

Did you mean to type an "a" there?

Yeah, I guess they can't

all

be scum.

[Majiffy]

Take out Wake and Pyro.

[Majiffy]

Let them consolidate. We have

confirmed

scum. If they don't want a no-lynch, then they can vote for confirmed fucking scum.

[Majiffy]

And I doubt DrDo is going to flip scum considering the core of that wagon was the same core of the AA9 wagon.

[Majiffy]

Wayne lets focus on getting the scum we know then we can look for associatives.

Associative tells suck without flips.

[Majiffy]

Wayne that's not nearly as damning as you think it is.

[Majiffy]

Well then, if Dr. DooLittle flips town, they can take the bullseye on their back and get lynched themselves after we lynch Pie tomorrow.

asdfgh

[Majiffy]

Im all on Pie. You already know that. You think talking about that now is going to distract from the win wagon or something?

Yes.

[Majiffy]

The more pessimism the less likely it'll happen.

Imagine if everyone on the DrDo wagon was just like you, only wagoning for the sake of avoiding a no-lynch, when we could have happily lynched claimed scum pie 41 pages ago.

[Majiffy]

Wayne stop making sense it's weirding me the fuck out.

[Majiffy]

the complete lack of other kills makes me think it's not multiball tho. which means I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the people going "hey this is multiball" were scum just trying to fuck with us

oh look, Majiffy was one of the people pushing multiball

vote: Majiffy

Oh look, you slipped.

The complete lack of other kills would mean it's not multiball

if you weren't an SK.

VOTE: Pie

We're not lynching Majiffy today.

Or ever, really.

were not doing this kids. were not fucking arguing all day about whether were lynching pie tonight or not.

You're right, we're not arguing. We're

doing.

yeah actually

vote majiffy

All of my wat.

sure

unvote vote: Majiffy

Not as surprising.

And I want an explanation from Majiffy as to why he didn't use his supposed ability Night 1. You'd think he'd use it if he could, and if he's Town I don't see why the Hell not.

Because it's one-shot and there's 20 or so players left?

Why is Pie's kill most likely factional scum?

Resistance to the wagon is way too strong.

VOTE: Majiffy

We did manage to leash Pie and Majiffy is a bigger threat if scum.

This is also dumb.

He claims he's a 1-shot Watcher, why in hell would he not use it before scum gets to NK him?

Because scum obviously isn't killing me. Everyone wants to lynch me. Hurr durr.

Sakura, my lynch pool is Majiffy, Wake, Pie for now. The first two because of today. One of those two is likely scum.

Why does MajiffyTown -> WakeScum?

Lynching me with my claimed Tracker ability

and knowledge of character flavor

(and unlikeliness of fakeclaim material from Mod)

makes me a poor choice for lynching.

1) Appeal to authority much?
2) Blatant lie; Pie already showed fakeclaim material in his vig claim.

You've just dropped a few rungs in the town ladder.

[Majiffy]

tl;dr we should still be lynching pie and he's still likely factionscum lying about being SK.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy

did you use or try to use your ability last night?

Didn't bother. Which, if you read my response, you could have groked fairly easily.

You are town if Wake is lying and you did go somewhere because he's setting you up for a mislynch. There's no reason for a town member to lie and claim you visited no one if you actually tried to visit someone. He's setting you up for a mislynch in that regard. That's scum behavior. I cannot see town motivation for lying like that.

Still waiting for why MajiffyTown -> WakeScum because you're ignoring a lot of not-even-unlikely possibilities to make this false dichotomy.

get more mad because your

planned mislynch

failed. I like ~

>SK Claim
>Planned mislynch

I don't even fucking mafia anymore.

[Majiffy]

yeah it is a mislynch because leaving me alive helps town

this is not hard to understand

As you go about killing townies, yeah, definitely helping town.

[Majiffy]

Pie ITT:

[Majiffy]

I can give you a patently obvious possibility right now; I didn't go anywhere

>Majiffy doesn't go anywhere
>Wake tracks Majiffy
>Wake says Majiffy didn't go anywhere
>No one is lying, both can very readily be town

So, there's that.

Wake might be scum for other reasons, though.

[Majiffy]

If Pie is factional scum, he is 100% a PR. Otherwise his teammates would just bus him after claiming SK. This stalled wagon has me heavily leaning towards him being a VERY powerful faction PR

he accused me of using "spam-wall scum techniques", when he's provably done the same thing himself.

the contradiction indicates that he's just making up reasons to throw blame on me, and not genuinely forming arguments

I already responded to this shit argument once.

why don't we just lynch one of the people who's confusing the shit out of everyone then

Like the claimed SK that's for some fucking reason still alive after killing a townie?

Yeah, I like that idea a lot.

[Majiffy]

majiffy, stop lurking, help me find scum

I'm not lurking, I spend over 2/3 of my day either working or sleeping.

I've only got ~4 hours a day max I can devote to mafia.

[Majiffy]

i feel you bro, i have been slacking madly. just frustrated couse no one is patrolin townstreet

gentleman shake on us two being townies?

Vote pie and I'll think about it.

[Majiffy]

Also you're asking a lot of fruitless busywork-type questions and that's bugging me.

[Majiffy]

but the thing is if you were scum you'd also want to kill the SK. so you and your mates would be protected.

I explained why this was derp thinking d1 when he claimed.

Vote Pie.

[Majiffy]

if this is your scumgame it sucks donkyballs

I'll take that as both an insult to my scum game

and

my town game, tyvm.

Cocksucker.

[Majiffy]

if this is your scumgame it sucks donkyballs

I'll take that as both an insult to my scum game

and

my town game, tyvm.

Cocksucker.

how is your scumgame offended, do tell please.

Because my scum game would have to be on-par with "donkyballs" for you to confuse my town game and my scum game.

you are affraid that scum will quick hammer a claimed sk?

Lol'd, because my brow furrowed too.

[Majiffy]

I am worried about it because we can use a lot of this time to scumhunt even if the SK is lynched. I'd rather have us have a lynchable target after we get the SK. There is no harm in scumhunting. I also want to see comments from the people I mentioned above.

Let me tell you how this game is going to go down with more time

"We should lynch pie"
"We shouldn't lynch pie"
"We should lynch pie"
"We should lynch Wake88"
"We shouldn't lynch Wake88, we should lynch pie"
"We should lynch Majiffy"
"We shouldn't lynch Majiffy, we should lynch pie"
"Lets lynch Empking"
"Lets not lynch Empking, lets lynch Pie"
Empking gets lynched
Pie kills another townie

[Majiffy]

asdghf

We need to be lynching Pie and all alternatives are not truly alternatives.

Thanks.

[Majiffy]

It's not a bad theory.

You'll all bow down to Master Majiffy when he flips faction PR and I was right all the way back on page 10 or whatever when he claimed vig.

[Majiffy]

Why is it refusing to play the game? The SK must be lynched, it prevents a worst case scenario, and gives us plenty of information to work with regarding who was for it and who was against it.

It doesn't give any information. Both alignments have reason to want the SK lynched. The only way it gives info is if pie is

not

the SK.

Then we should go ahead and find out if Pie is

not

the SK.

Cuz I'm leaning pretty heavily that way.

2. Majiffy claimed a pr day1, i want his result

You're not even reading, are you?

Why did you claim sk?

Because he's faction scum and people gave him a way out of being lynched by claiming SK to be "leashed" which is the epitome of really fucking dumb ideas that don't help town ever.

I dont think pie is sk, i think pie is scum

No fucking shit.

Don't throw yourself on my sword Majiffy. You had him as SK. I'll face my own heat if I'm wrong on him being factional scum. But do remember all those lovely connections I made should I go before you!

No, I've been pushing him as factional scum pretty much since ever.

Really though, don't you think that the vig safeclaim (which was really early to be something made up by groupscum) and the fact that he's letting his kill be controlled instead of just dying like groupscum would actually do (it's not helpful to his team to stay alive and restrict their kills to people like AA if he's going to be lynched anyway). His play and everything else just makes so much more sense from a Serial Killer.

Not if he's a PR you derp.

[Majiffy]

I'm going to put it really simply; if Pie isn't lynch today, I'm replacing out. Because fuck this game.

If you don't want to have to wait on a town PR to catch up on something like 130+ pages (because, realistically, that's what we're likely to be at by the end of the day phase) then do the pro-town thing and

LYNCH THE FUCKING CLAIMED SCUM

.

[Majiffy]

Last time i ckecked you were claimed watcher, so are you watcher, if so, target and result please

1-shot

watcher. No target. No result.

Fucking twit. Read the goddamned game.

I'm going to put it really simply; if Pie isn't lynch today, I'm replacing out. Because fuck this game.

If you don't want to have to wait on a town PR to catch up on something like 130+ pages (because, realistically, that's what we're likely to be at by the end of the day phase) then do the pro-town thing and

LYNCH THE FUCKING CLAIMED SCUM

.

Dont be a bitch

Some of us have been pushing obvscum pie for 100 pages and are getting really fucking sick of town having shoved it's head directly up it's own ass.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, I ask that you do not replace out considering the difficulty kdub has had in finding past replacements.

If Pie isn't lynched I'm going to have to. I have absolutely no motivation to continue this game if we're just going to spam the thread with arguments about why we shouldn't lynch the claimed fucking scum I caught out 100 fucking pages ago in favor of killing and lynching townies.

Seriously

what the fuck.

[Majiffy]

Couldnt find a result from your night action

TRANSLATE PAGE TO SWEDISH YOU ILLITERATE FUCK.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, I could say the same for you insisting that Pie is a groupscum PR. Unless you are lying about your role and/or are scum with knowledge that Pie is groupscum, then neither of us is really any more entitled to our opinion than the other.

Considering you thought pie was town and I was calling him scum the whole time, I think I'm entitled to a bit more than you.

Claiming night vig as SK on day 1 makes no sense, understand that then lynch pie.

0 scum kills makes no sense, it makes even less sense as multiball, understand this then lynch pie

Claiming vig as SK makes sense but it's an old move and town has work-arounds that screw an SK-Claiming-Vig later on.
Pie claimed factionscum when he slipped about the gamestate;

the complete lack of other kills makes me think it's not multiball tho. which means I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the people going "hey this is multiball" were scum just trying to fuck with us

oh look, Majiffy was one of the people pushing multiball

vote: Majiffy

Oh look, you slipped.

The complete lack of other kills would mean it's not multiball

if you weren't an SK.

[Majiffy]

^

[Majiffy]

And when the Swedish Duke Nukem is telling you that, you know it's a serious case of retard.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy/Wake, while I think the SK should be lynched, it is poor form to replace out solely due to not getting your way. The collective nature of the decision also makes me suspicious.

"Solely"?
I am a town PR who is slowly losing all of the strengths on my reads because instead of fucking

doing anything

we are sitting around with our thumbs in our asses,

not

lynching claimed scum.

He's killed town. He's going to continue to kill town.

I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED ALL OF THIS.

And yet we're still not lynching him. Why? "LOL HURR HE CAN HELP TOWN" no he fucking cannot and if you could be fucking arsed to read my goddamned posts you'd fucking know why.

I am pissed off, completely unmotivated, and am running close to having no reads because we haven't done jack shit in 80 pages.

THAT is why I want to replace out if we don't lynch pie.

[Majiffy]

it should be apparent that those who push the SK train cannot scumhunt.

It is apparent already.

Pray tell how many scum you've forced to claim in this game.

Zero? Thought so. And you're voting the guy who made the SK claim.

Mmkay.

[Majiffy]

You know we would have found scum already if you pulled your heads out of your asses and started scumhunting instead of trying to get a leashed SK lynched.

You know I already found scum if you'd pull your head out of your ass and vote it.

[Majiffy]

I agree. But I continued to push one until it

actually claimed scum

[Majiffy]

And you're voting the guy who made the SK claim.

Afaik, im voting Majiffy and not kanye

Kanye didn't do anything but give pie a way out of being lynched like the fucking scum he is.

[Majiffy]

I agree. But I continued to push one until it

actually claimed scum

HE CLAIMED SK, BIG DIFFERENCE!

SK IS DANGEROUS FOR SCUM JESUS!

1) Scum = Anti-town wincon. Mafia = One type of scum.

2) No it isn't and I already explained why. Like... all the way back when pie originally claimed vig. When I called him faction scum. When Beli had to helpfully offer flavor of what an SK might be. And then kanye had to helpfully say "hey if you're SK we won't kill you". And then Pie claimed the flavor Beli had provided just after Kanye said he could be a leashed SK. And suddenly now he's happy with being a leashed SK

WHICH KIND OF FUCKING SOUNDS LIKE FACTION PR PLAY.

[Majiffy]

or he can wipe out the scum team, like I did on See Nine Plus Plus.

Would you like me to delve deeply into the incredibly large differences between that game and this game that make your argument completely batshit and irrelevant?

P-Edit: Totally ignoring scumjiffy's posts from now on, he can replace out for all I care.

Yes, ignoring me makes me less right and you less wrong.

[Majiffy]

Sak - You don't want to kill a soft-claimed unlimited tracker but you're fine with killing a full-claimed watcher with a shot left, despite the fact that my counterpart claim of a tracker has said that all the information provided makes sense in regards to flavor.

PV - You going to do something productive or just sling mud at everyone voting pie?

You know we would have found scum already if you pulled your heads out of your asses and started scumhunting instead of trying to get a leashed SK lynched.

You know I already found scum if you'd pull your head out of your ass and vote it.

Unless you think the game is 20 town vs 1 sK, you still got work to do.

You're not even reading, are you?

Also to answer your question directed towards wayne; COUNTERWAGON: yourself, one of {Nati/Sakura}, levi // BUSSING: {Empking/Wake} // OFF: DV
Congrats.

you assume that pie is SK 100%

pie is not SK 100% of the time

^ This.

[Majiffy]

No, two.

Talah, the 1-shot, and Wake, the unlimited (even-night? odd-night? I think this was further expanded) shot.

[Majiffy]

My suit ability, Tank Mode, activates every other Night.

I can track people.

Non-consecutive, it seems.

[Majiffy]

I think Talah said something along the lines of not "really" being a tracker, though, I don't remember and there are too many pages to sift through for rather obvious and fucking dumb reasons.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy's 1-shot watcher tho.

And that doesnt mean he can't be scum.

"That doesn't mean he can't be scum" has got to be the worst fucking argument in the history of mafia.

You think Wake, whom you are using as the source for the validity of your claim in the same post, is bussing Pie on day1?

Validity of what claim? Talah's is the claim that is my counterpart, not Wake.

Get the fuck out of the game if you're not going to bother reading shit.

[Majiffy]

If you want me to buy that Kdub gave a

Mafia faction player a fakeclaim of vig, complete with flavor,

then show me where that has been done in at least 10 other MS games.
Otherwise, while you have a pot to piss in, it is currently overflowing, so your piss makes no difference.

That's a bullshit claim of proficiency. Show me in 10 other MS games where Kdub has given any single specific PR fakeclaim to scum complete with flavor.

[Majiffy]

I'll likely be tied up, grumpy, over-caffienated, and horny.

Sounds like every day to me.

[Majiffy]

That's a bullshit claim of proficiency. Show me in 10 other MS games where Kdub has given any single specific PR fakeclaim to scum complete with flavor.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4242995

Take a gander, this is KDub's last modded game and he gave

very

detailed fakeclaims to the scum.

This is not at all relevant to the argument.

At all.

Not.

Even a bit.

Thanks!

When majiffy stops tunneling i'll prob. stop scumreading him.

When you start lynching the claimed scum I'll prob stop retardreading you.

Maybe not though.

*I need to calm down. Getting pissed again. I think I'll post a thread after this game titled "When Townies go Bad." Or go on Dr. Phil.

I can't fucking wait for pie to shoot two scum and win us the game.

I can't wait either because I don't wait for imaginary things that won't ever happen.

[Majiffy]

Other things I can't wait for:
Incontrovertible proof of a divine, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient creator of the universe
Santa Claus
Unicorns
A blowjob from Michelle Rodriguez
And Lou Reed to personally offer to shoot me up with some heroin so I can forget about this god awful game.

[Majiffy]

i am stepping away before i get banned

If all the townies get banned, does scum win?

[Majiffy]

Other things I can't wait for:
Incontrovertible proof of a divine, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient creator of the universe
Santa Claus
Unicorns
A blowjob from Michelle Rodriguez
And Lou Reed to personally offer to shoot me up with some heroin so I can forget about this god awful game.

Actually if I could get those last two together at once, I would consider it sufficient enough evidence for the existence of the first one.

[Majiffy]

You forgot a million dollars Majiffy.

[Majiffy]

Even if AA9 was town it was still a suboptimal kill for scum because she was mislynchable from a scum PoV.

So you rather SK dies and scum would have shot a PR? one of the multiple claimed ones?

You mean like the ones you're advocating lynching?

There has been more support for lynching claimed PRs than there ever was for lynching AA9.

[Majiffy]

If I were Scum I'd have tried to kill him last Night.

Because SK's obviously come unprotected.

Sometimes. Some may have investigation immunity instead.

I didn't have either in Chkflip's first themed mini that eventually became a large. Maniacal Mafia or something?

Also had a cult.

[Majiffy]

PEd: Sorry but he doesnt have investigation immunity.

Unless you're claiming an investigative role and a report on Pie, you can fuck off right now.

[Majiffy]

I didn't have either in Chkflip's first themed mini that eventually became a large. Maniacal Mafia or something?

Also had a cult.

Might have been a Micro.

[Majiffy]

if we were gonna do that it needed to be yesterday.

And where was your fucking vote yesterday?

Oh that's right, not on the SK.

[Majiffy]

If we don't lynch pie for the love of god shoot me and put me out of my fucking misery.

[Majiffy]

If we don't lynch pie for the love of god shoot me and put me out of my fucking misery.

But I think you might actually be town.

And I think I'm being held in this game against my will.

[Majiffy]

And I think I'm being held in this game against my will.

You may not die until I say so.

Nati conf scum ITT

[Majiffy]

I am so over this game.

[Majiffy]

wrt isn't a word

You're right, it's not a word, it's 3 words.

Then type actual words because "wrt" holds no meaning to me.

"with regards to"

[Majiffy]

Also I'm glad we're finally seeing process, how much does one have to yell at people to start thinking together like town instead of breathing fire at the claimed and leashed SK.

Progress? Looks like a bunch of derping to me.

I'm not getting involved in this "lets kill more fucking townies instead of the claimed scum" fest.

[Majiffy]

In fact, fuck this. I'm going to sleep.

[Majiffy]

Wake has vanished entirely.

He has work-related complications going on presently and will probably end up replacing out.

[Majiffy]

Have we lynched pie yet? I really don't want to read any more of this thread.

[Majiffy]

If pie is factional, he's PR. Goon would have been bussed.

Thanks.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, we are still short two votes to lynch the Serial Killer.

Well, find them.

It really shouldn't be so hard to lynch a

factionless, PR-less SK

,

right?

[Majiffy]

Oh look once again we're lynching not-confirmed-scum.

I just love this game.

[Majiffy]

He's like my opposite and I think this points more to sk than factional scum.

I, for one, would like to know what "like the opposite" of an SK is. Neutral Survivor?

Full claim, Fu Mu Fla-Whatever your name is.

[Majiffy]

Hey look 8 pages I'm not reading.

Why isn't this fucking day over yet?

[Majiffy]

Yeah but I'm town and you're scum so that kind of makes it worse for me.

[Majiffy]

Like if I was scum I would estimate probably 140 pages of this game I wouldn't have read.

[Majiffy]

OH LOOK.

DV WAS FACTIONAL SCUM.

THAT'S TWO SCUM READS THAT MAJIFFY HAS CALLED FOR LYNCHES ON SINCE DAY 1.

WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE.

[Majiffy]

Shoots DV, who Majiffy was scumreading but refused to vote. Scumreading Majiffy at the same time.

Also half cut and public holiday.

So you think I've hard-bussed my PR teammate through two fake-claims for two days despite overwhelming support to leave him alive.

Right.

why the hell would we wanna lynch dv??????

why the hell would we wanna keep the sk around???????

WOW GUYS GUESS WHAT

HEY KANYE MAYBE CHECK MY SCUMREADS FROM D1 YEAH?

YOU KNOW, THE ONES YOU WERE DISAGREEING WITH.

I wanna see jiffy's entrance to today before this is over.

Hi, I'm here.

Hi, I was right. Twice.

If Pie flips factional, that means you're next on the list, bucko.

Jiffy - did you watch anyone last night? Watching me would have been awesome.

No. I'm saving it for when it'll be useful.

[Majiffy]

Probably going to vote Pie. With what looks like a factional flip, I'm even more confident in his flipping faction PR scum. And the information on his flip will be a goldmine either way.

[Majiffy]

What do you think about Pyro's scumslip, then?

?

I didn't see any scum slips.

VOTE: Pie
This should happen today.

[Majiffy]

Oh I meant the scumslip where if pie is factional scum, Pyro has outed himself because the mental link is obviously faction-to-faction.

You missed that?

Makes sense. Still makes more sense to lynch pie first.

[Majiffy]

Let's play another round of Majiffy is right and everyone should sheep him.

Pie is either Rolecop or has Rolecop in his faction.
They found out DV was in the other faction.
They killed DV.

Herp a derp derp lets lynch Pie so we can use proper associatives.

[Majiffy]

so here's another theory: DV was trying to bus Majiffy

Or maybe he was trying to get rid of the loud townie calling him scum.

I think scum would be ultra stupid to bus who would arguably be their strongest player if Majiffyscum

One should not take confscum arguments too seriously, methinks.

Especially since confscum is probably factional PR as I've been calling for their head for THREE FUCKING DAYS NOW.

[Majiffy]

Seriously why Pie isn't served on a platter by now is beyond me.

He's pretty obviously factional PR and his scumbuddies may very well include Nati and Levi.

Beli and Kanye are probably two derp townies but the convenience of setting up FacScumPie for a way out of the inevitable lynch should be looked at if they approach LYLO alive.

[Majiffy]

What's your running theory on the mental link? Is there another townie with another link to the other faction? Is Pyro scum? Why would Pyro-scum come out in support of pie as an SK when that means they're immediately lynched upon a pie-faction-scum flip?
That's what's not making sense to me.

I don't buy it at all, but Pyro has been reading town. May be a result of the players properly playing a scum role, not certain. There were a few posts that irritated me how strongly they defended Pie's claim involving a lot of false facts I brought up as clearly false at the origination of the posts, including Pie's claim being "legit" because of "flavor" (provided by Beli) and "scum shouldn't claim SK", despite the way out provided by kanye.

Either way, there is

a lot

of information to be had either way Pie flips, but we can't act on it until we have a definite flip.

[Majiffy]

Also if one of Beli/Kanye/Pyro is scum, I'm definitely leaning Beli.

[Majiffy]

Jiffy

I think its time to work with what's there instead of what logically should be there. The Lynch Pie supporters have been being systematically eliminated and town still hasn't lynched a single scum. Bite the bitter bullet and who else is scum?

Also, what do you think of the Sven clear on Wake and me, the EARLY clear of Wake's slot by Kanye, and Wake voting Kanye over Pyro. Her reactions to me came across legit to me so it would seem more likely if he were going something to line up a mislynch on me he would have chosen them over Kanye. Writing that down, Kanye comes out looking juicer to me.

Insight please.

UNVOTE:

Trust me, touch it with a pie flip.

[Majiffy]

also his idea about me being rolecop just seems like something he made up because I happened to be rolecop in that other game

Hey this reminds me of another time Pie made up an asinine claim to explain away when Majiffy was right some 100 pages ago.

[Majiffy]

I am going to pistolwhip the next motherfucker that suggests policy anything at this stage of the game.

[Majiffy]

Or we could lynch Factional PR Piescum.

[Majiffy]

Or we could just lynch Pie and not have a dead townie for already conf scum.

[Majiffy]

If I'm right and Pie is factional scum, he's going to use his last kill on our strongest PR to give his faction the best chance of winning - the opposing scum faction is already down a member.

[Majiffy]

If I'm right and Pie is factional scum, he's going to use his last kill on our strongest PR to give his faction the best chance of winning - the opposing scum faction is already down a member.

If he was going to do that, wouldn't he have tried that yesterday?

No, because he's either Rolecop or one of his partners is, and they rolecopped DV. Which is why he shot out of his pool, and why factional scum is dead today.

So sense. Much make. Wow.

Vote: Wake88

Doinitwrong

[Majiffy]

Vote: Wake88

Hey you showed up.

My laptop was stolen! I'm not reading the last 40 pages because I'm sure they were dumb.

>DV wasn't in the pool of targets for Pie
>DV flipped presumably factionalscum PR
>Majiffy is arguing that Pie is factonalscum with a rolecop somewhere in his faction
>Explains everything
>Lynch still not happening


So basically the same thing that has been going on all game. Majiffy is right, no one listens.

[Majiffy]

Rolecop doesn't explain how they found DeasVail scum.

Then the whatever-titled equivalent of knowing which alignment a player has. Christ, nitpick more.
Why are you arguing inane details instead of the actual point?

Majiffy being correct about Deas adds no credence to his pie-groupscum theory, especially when there's evidence to the contrary and that his theory requires an approximate fuckton of logic leaps.

>Pie's faction has an informative role to find the other scum faction
>approximate fuckton of logic leaps

Fuck off, Nacho.

fyi it's not optimal to let scum know I plan on shooting them

I explained the reason near the start of D3

"I don't have any other scum to shoot yet and will return to capping townies"

I subscribe to the theory that Majiffy was trying to bus DV. his disappearing near the start of D1 and then catching up doesn't seem like what I know of his town-game (from the one game I completed with him)

wat

I'm ambivalent on jiffy. I don't like that he's just shut down on playing, but I also understand it.

Pie flip is the most informative flip we could possibly have AND is

confirmed fucking scum.

I'm not shutting down, I'm doing what's in town's best interest. Just like I've been trying to lynch

confirmed fucking scum

since d1. And had plans for lynching

now-confirmed fucking scum

(DV) immediately after. And will continue to lynch

soon-to-be confirmed fucking scum

when I get all their little scumbuddies.

The people shutting down are the twits going "LALALA HE KILLED A SCUM WE ARE VALIDATED NOW" when that argument is complete hogwash.

[Majiffy]

The killed scum argument isn't hogwash to me Majiffy and it was supposed to be the balance that allowed scumhunting to start.

Rephrase because I don't understand a single position you're taking here other than you disagree with me about ??? for ???

[Majiffy]

And I'm saying the only reason Pie killed scum was because his faction has an informative role that told him DV was part of the other scum faction.
There is no world where Pie doesn't kill me over DV without that kind of information.

Pie is going to kill the strongest PR we have as soon as he has no more options to survive (namely, tonight).

So we should pre-emptively lynch him now so that we can catch his little buddies.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, you are arguing from a spot of self preservation.

Uhh... No? Here, let me prove you wrong;

You, hypothetically, are not the strongest town PR unless Talah and Wake are scum AND Pie knows Talah and Wake are scum and won't shoot them. That makes no sense unless you know Wake and Talah are on a team with Pie.

So as you can see, I am clearly

not

arguing from a spot of self-preservation.

Answer me. What do you think of Wake and Talah? Pyro?

Talah is probably the towniest of the three. I'm rather ambivalent on Wake and Pyro. I have bigger fish to fry.

don't you dare question my scumdar I already explained the reason and I'm damn proud of it being correct kthx

Your reason sucked and doesn't look strong enough considering you were calling for my head for 2 day phases.

there's more where that came from but for obvious reasons I'm not going to be revealing it.

You mean like that informative factionscum PR?

in fast and furious you seemed involved in the game from the start, which didn't seem like the case here

I wasn't really involved in that game whatsoever.

[Majiffy]

Not to mention, Pie could have shot me if he was going for PRs.

I'm guessing English isn't your primary language, or you otherwise have issues with past-present-future.

[Majiffy]

Pie says he killed DV because DV was a scumread. He wanted to hit scum.
Pie has been calling me scum since the start of the game. He has given pages and pages of information why he thinks I'm scum.
He killed DV because DV was "go with the flow-y".

It doesn't add up unless you consider that Pie has additional information as to the alignment of DV.

[Majiffy]

tl;dr preservation has nothing to do with anything and you're an idiot who can't read. Vote pie.

[Majiffy]

I wasn't really involved in that game whatsoever.

yet you were more involved there than you were at the start of this game

beautifully illustrating my point

Great comparison considering I replaced into the other game.

what's worse: the reason sucking or it being correct despite sucking?

Irrelevant question.

also, in case you haven't noticed, practically all the "scumhunting" I did after I claimed SK wasn't serious. so it was more like I was calling for your head for a very limited time on D1, and since then more than enough happende to make DV (and others) rank above you

So if your scumhunting after claiming SK wasn't serious, you are admitting DV wasn't a scumread and I continue to be right about you being factionscum.

[Majiffy]

Pie says he killed DV because DV was a scumread. He wanted to hit scum.
Pie has been calling me scum since the start of the game. He has given pages and pages of information why he thinks I'm scum.
He killed DV because DV was "go with the flow-y".

It doesn't add up unless you consider that Pie has additional information as to the alignment of DV.

DV would be harder to lynch than you IMO. I can't say rolecop is the only reason for that. But hey, if that's the case, odds are Pie misses tomorrow and we'll see.

Or we could just lynch Pie now and not lose another townie to confirmed scum.

[Majiffy]

This argument with Pie feels like every other argument with pie I've had in this game where I'm right and he's babbling inane theories with too many holes.

[Majiffy]

I've given the same response every time you've asked; I'm ambivalent. Bigger fish to fry.

[Majiffy]

So if your scumhunting after claiming SK wasn't serious, you are admitting DV wasn't a scumread and I continue to be right about you being factionscum.

there was no scumhunting involved with my read on DV. that read was based purely off my observations of what happened. there wasn't any "hunting" in there at all 0.0

^ Pie is now admitting that he was lying about a scumread on DV. Please take note.

Great comparison considering I replaced into the other game.

you replaced pregame so it's practically the same thing as being there from the start

Was it? I don't pay attention to these things.

[Majiffy]

you literally just made that up and it proves you are putting no effort into understnading whwat I'm really fucking saying
the idea that I'm faction scum is fucking bullshit and everyone who is pushing it including you is terrible

You aren't saying anything.
If my argument about you being faction scum is bullshit, then prove it wrong.

I'm more than sure you have no fucking intent of changing your false belief that I'm faction scum, meaning you have no reason to interact with me. why fucking bother? it's not a natural thought to interact with me to figure out exactly what the hell I am because you apparently have it all sorted out already. honestly I don't want to fucking deal with any more of your BS arguments right now I'm tired as shit so don't fuck with me on this. especially when you just fucking make shit up like that that doesn't make any sense. if you're so damn convinced you're right then don't fucking fuck with me plz
inb4 wayne
yes i mad

Caughtscum is Caught.

Majiffy, I don't think that's made up by PV at all. Pie, IMO, was saying DV as scum was just readily apparent, so no need to hunt.

He made no effort to push DV. If DV scum was apparent, why did he spend all his time for 2 day phases calling me scum?
If he still thinks I'm scum, why did he shoot DV over me?
If he hasn't been scumhunting in the last two day phases - as he has admitted so himself - why are we keeping him alive?

Everything points to lynching Pie.

[Majiffy]

If my argument about you being faction scum is bullshit, then prove it wrong.

burden of proof

I already provided ample evidence. You have claimed my argument is bullshit. That's

your

claim, and

your

burden.
Nice try.

[Majiffy]

No. Majiffy, the burden of proof is on you to show Pie is likely lying. I don't believe Pie is.

... I already did.

You have the burden to show Pie is factional scum and WHY that is relevant.

... I already did.
And it's relevant because

that's the fucking game.

I don't even get to Pie being factional scum or not as I still think the deal reached at the end of yesterday was valid and appropriate. Until that gets changed, I don't have any problem with Pie living when we have players like Wake running around refusing to even try to scumhunt.

Remove pie and they'll have nothing to hide behind.
Plus we'll have the most informative of all possible lynches.

Pie is going to flip either SK or FactionScum.
Either flip is beneficial to us.
Both flips have heavy implications and information.

There is no reason to not be lynching pie.

If Pie is factionscum, who is faction scum with her? Why?

I'd have to go back into the VCs and look at them. Nati, Kanye and Beli all stick out.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, I don't see it as relevant because Pie gets lynched if Pie kills town. Period. His hypothetical scum buddies will fall in line or stick out as sore thumbs for my vigging. Factionscum or SK is irrelevant. If Pie has a rolecop helping her, we can say sayonara to the blue scums, which is all the more reason to keep Pie. Pie has to go but I don't see the time as now.

So what you're telling me is that instead of killing Pie before he kills our most valuable PR - in order to aid his team the most - we should sit by with our thumbs firmly up our arses thinking "oh yeah he's totally going to help town out on this one, gang!".

Because that's fucking dumb.

talah, you are a partial gunsmith. Wake is the alleged tracker one. Majiffy is tracker two.
http://www.teamopolis.com/tools/bbcode- ... rator.aspx

Wake, was that so hard?

*Watcher

Alignment cop seems like a stupid ability for a scumteam to have, and there seems to be much better ways to use it than "have scum claim vig, investigate people and shoot guilty results".

He claimed vig because that was probably his mod-provided fakeclaim.
They only shot DV because he flipped the other faction.

Are you reading any of my fucking posts?
Seriously, try to keep up with basic logic here Nacho.

Pie is group scum requires mafia D1 claiming night vig, controlling their faction's kill, and their faction not only being fully willing to give up their kill, but also willing to look for otherscum and burn the towncred they could get from lynching otherscum via dayplay and instead having their claimed scum member shoot them. It also requires Rau La Flaga to be a one faction scum that has a mental link with complete opposite townie, and it requires Rau La Flaga, that guy who isn't affiliated with anyone, to be factional scum.

Pie as group scum requires noob scum (pie) making a lot of dumb decisions either on his own or potentially with the help of groupscum {Beli/Kanye} giving him a way out at the time of his wagon nearing lynch. This does

not

require being "fully willing" to give up the kill, but rather being forced into it.

They have to look for otherscum and kill otherscum anyway, especially with an outted scumbutt who will eventually get lynched, so that's a null argument. Plus one doesn't get towncred for lynching scum when multiball flips are involved.

Rau claim is meh, mental link doesn't mean or do shit as far as I can tell, we don't know if Pyro is a townie. If Pyro isn't town, then it also could/would explain away whatever "not affiliated" bullshit you're espousing regarding Rau, as the claim could be fake.

So again, why aren't we lynching pie?

A deal that was made, might I add, to encourage scumhunting.

You mean that thing he said ITT that he wasn't doing?

Tell me more about how your deal helps town.

Majiffy, help me on this one, I swear to god I have good reason as to why we should lynch Wake first.

I have been waiting 3 fucking dayphases to figure out who the rest of the scumbutts are revolving around the pie scenario and frankly if it waits any longer the data won't be of any use because it'll be so fucking buried under so much shit that I won't want to bother.

Pie needs to die

today.

[Majiffy]

So you think there are two scum teams?

Herp a fucking derp did it take you 180 pages to figure that one out numbnuts?

We are not lynching scum. Pie is shooting scum. He is the tool by which we are reducing the scum numbers though an effective doubleday mechanic.

Logically speaking.

*Pie shot scum. He is the factionscum that killed an opposing faction scum through an informative faction PR and will now resume killing townies.

That

is logically speaking. All the evidence points towards it. Read my posts.

PRETEND HE IS ALREADY LYNCHED. NOW FIND OTHER SCUM!!!!!

Considering "other scum" changes significantly depending on his flip, this is a really poor suggestion to be making.

One should never lynch based on associatives with unflipped players.

We lynch the pie, then we can lynch the other scum.

Logically speaking.

So, before we end the day, you need to provide two lists and lots of info:

Pie's scumteam list, and reasons.
Why Pie's scumteam wanted AA9 dead, given the overall target rich environment.
Pie's team, according to you, found DV night1. By that logic, instead of wasting a kill on him, they would try to lynch him first. Pie's scumteam needs to include DV hate day2, or reasons why not.

PieFactional -> Nati, {Beli/Kanye}, +/- Levi
AA9 died n1 because Pie had to play along to stay alive.
Makes more sense to kill him. Fits into the PieSK-HelpingTown narrative - which, if he is a PR as I strongly believe - they want to keep him around as long as possible.

Herp derp read my posts, already said all of this before.

DV's scumteam list, and reasons.
Why DV's team failed to kill night1.
Why DV's team failed to kill night2.

Don't know, don't care, Pie's information is richer and more pivotal at the moment.

Holy shit, I found reasons for Majiffy to post and play besides being Wake88 Jr.

Holy shit, PV clearly doesn't fucking read mafia games.

Seriously, what are you even doing in this game? How have you significantly increased town's chances to win?

I have called out 2 confirmed scum and town has failed to lynch them. As far as I'm concerned, I should be getting awards right now and you should all be taking turns licking the outside of my asshole.

[Majiffy]

PV is doing an excessive amount of lurk-away-real-conversation-in-favor-of-busywork.
Diving into the deep end of the scum pool.

Are all of these associative tells with unflipped Pie?

These are assuming Pie flips factional scum.

Scum pool changes with SK Pie.

Actually, DV already flipped and so provides us more real information than your assumption of Pie as another mafia team which, while you think is true, is not confirmed. DV, however, has already flipped.

Shit argument. We already know Pie is scum, we just don't know what kind. And there are

3 whole dayphases

of every player interacting heavily with pie and pie wagons.

\

Besdies, at this time, Pie's enitre scumteam is under our control and we are using it to kill the other scumteam (according to Majiffy).

You're clearly not reading whatsoever.

[Majiffy]

Wayne that was probably the least explained IIOA I've ever managed to see.

[Majiffy]

And Majiffy if he's still alive at LyLo.

Also this is true in pretty much every game ever.

Except when scum is

really

dumb and don't realize taking me to LYLO is autowin for town.

[Majiffy]

Really don't want to read this shit. Maybe tomorrow.