Mollie I'm sensing peace-buddy vibes from dopog's 89 as well, what do you think?
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and I am talking about 221?
I agreed on Dpog scum
and Pb scum with Desp though
and we both agree that dog is going to be scum before PB (I think)
we both think it is very obvious that you are town, and it would be awesome if you decided to work with us
umm...
we both have strong reads on neromollie
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You could as the other hydra's if they had the daystart PM sent to their mains
because ours wasn't
and I didn't even know the game started until Desp started talking to me on skype
but, instead of dwelling on whether or not I'm telling the truth
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???In post 237, SleepyKrew wrote:
Yo Desp why didn't you talk to Mara until todayIn post 235, Shadowy Poison wrote:Sometime earlier today
Where are you going with this?
dopog ignoring my vote isn't doing much to engender his towniness to me.
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Because I didn't.
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Why is the order of the fluff relevant?In post 246, SleepyKrew wrote:
Vifam had no posts.In post 244, ooba wrote:Why single out Shadow - but not mention Luna or Vifam who didn't even post at this time?
Luna had one empty post from the start of the game.
Shadowy actually had one post of content, so seeing useless fluff from them caught my attention.
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I didn't see any scum motivation for claiming a negative utility role + now refusing to full claim.In post 259, SleepyKrew wrote:Why am I obviously town?
Nope, they are town.Are the neromollie reads conflicting?
This is my problem--you're presuming that I need a reason to have not contacted her. You asked why I didn't talk to her until Thursday and the answer is "because I hadn't had an opportunity to do so," aka "because I didn't."Since they've actually provided content now, my fluff argument can go to buggery for all I care. But I think they're lying about activity. I can believe that Mara didn't know the game started. I can believe that Desp didn't contact her until yesterday. What I can't believe is that he doesn't have a reason for not contacting her until yesterday.
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Why should I be voting kats?In post 251, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Mara, why aren't you voting Kats?
What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far-
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Why should I be voting kats?In post 251, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Mara, why aren't you voting Kats?
What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far-
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even with the consideration that it's two different people?In post 252, SleepyKrew wrote:Because Luna and Vifam hadn't (and still haven't) started playing the game, whereas you did. I've got no problem with fluff- in fact I'm quite fond of it- but going "here's a post of content OKAY NOW FLUFF TIME" makes me think that you were trying to fly under the radar.-
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I guess I'll wait for the reason behind thisIn post 478, Luna Lovegood wrote:Vote: Shadowy Poison
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In post 345, SleepyKrew wrote:Shadowy, I would not have a problem if Desp initially said "I didn't have an opportunity to contact her". Instead, he avoided answering. Also, you seem to have missed that I threw my fluff argument out the window.
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In post 272, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Why do you think DV as town would claim he thinks a game is MB on day 1 just for no reason?
I agree with RTIn post 273, Rail Tracer wrote:i dunno... maybe because he does? that would seem like the obvious answer
How is using meta D1 scummy again? You say later that it's pointless, but you never actually explain how that makes mnemonic scum for asking for it.In post 291, Dante wrote:
Too much meta.In post 290, mnemonicdevice wrote:@SleepyKrew, can you link me to your most recent scum and town games please.
Vote mnemonicdevice
Huh? I don't understand what you meant here.In post 292, Luna Lovegood wrote:In post 111, Shadowy Poison wrote:
Vote: dopog
Mollie I'm sensing peace-buddy vibes from dopog's 89 as well, what do you think?
Another newbie chainsawing the more experienced partner?
Mmmm.
Hated this vote.
You're inside my head.In post 320, Rail Tracer wrote:... even if this weren't something that town players do, why not comment on peacebringer bringing up katsuki's meta? why is mnemonic scum for doing it?
This post sucked. NaniIn post 331, Nani wrote:Why isn't Peace Bringer dead yet?
He voted a player who he thought he was town after he was pressured to make a stance, how obvious this can be?had not postedsince her initial Peace push. THIS is what scum fluff looks like.
In post 339, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
You should be voting Kats while there's still time to get town cred for bussin' your buddy.In post 336, Shadowy Poison wrote:
Why should I be voting kats?In post 251, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Mara, why aren't you voting Kats?
What has he done that is scummy? he hasn't stood out to me yet so far
That line is never even half as clever as you think it is nero.
No.In post 363, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:Also, luna lovegod can die too
In post 379, BBmolla wrote:Katsuki isn't trolling as much as he should be. Something is off.
molla what's up with this and the SK buddying? It's all terribly scummy.In post 380, BBmolla wrote:Nah k nvm
VOTE: Katsuki
Whoever said SK is fluffposting is ridiculous btw
Swap Peace and Nani and get Rail out of your scum pile immediately.In post 406, Luna Lovegood wrote:Spoiler: catchup wall
NICE
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whateverthefuckthathydrawithmarpleiscalledsinceitsanewoneeverygame
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@ooba: Dante doesn't seen to be an alt. Just guessing from his posting.
It's ok for you to admit that you only think they suck because he's wrong about you. The rest of his reads are pretty good.In post 414, Rail Tracer wrote:your reads suck, andrius
This is almost like a reverse-Amished tell.In post 483, PeaceBringer wrote:
sucks to be you having to come into someone else's mess. Sorry, but do not think you are going to say anything that will convince me that the slot is not scum based on your predecessor's actions.In post 482, PeregrineV wrote:Hey guys- checking in to say replacing Katsuki. 20 pages isn't too bad, so should be caught up by tonight or tomorrow.
@ mollie: why did you ignore me re: dopog earlier and why are you voting them now?
@ Andy: on second thought, you can keep Peace in your scumpile. What were you seeing up to then?
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@ molla: I didn't like your silent hop on Kat after you reached out to them earlier, I didn't like your unvote after Kat replaced out, and I didn't like your reaction to getting called out on unvoting.
@ Dante: Why did you answer my question with "you tell me?" The closest you come to explaining why mnemonic asking for meta is scummy it was "lazy" and "just another way to make shit up." It could be reasonably argued that asking someone to provide their own meta is another form of info-gathering, so I don't think your justification holds water. It also appears to be projection, given the lame, lazy votes that make up your ISO.
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In post 526, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
So this is not a scumlist? What is it then?In post 495, Shadowy Poison wrote: {dopog, Nani, BBmolla, Dante, ooba}
Knowing that a game is multiball isn't information that town should have on day 1 and I think any townie worth their weight in salt would be very cautious about that post. I think if he were town and had that belief he'd have no trouble telling us why he thinks that. The fact he's ignoring it and hoping that it (the question) just goes away also doesn't make me think its pro-town.
Tell me what you guys think of the Kat/PV slot?
Yes it's a scumlist. That doesn't make the other 11 town by default.
Nothing stood out about Kat for either of us. And I have some experience with Peregrine so I'm going to give him some space and sort him later.-
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In post 526, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
So this is not a scumlist? What is it then?In post 495, Shadowy Poison wrote: {dopog, Nani, BBmolla, Dante, ooba}
Knowing that a game is multiball isn't information that town should have on day 1 and I think any townie worth their weight in salt would be very cautious about that post. I think if he were town and had that belief he'd have no trouble telling us why he thinks that. The fact he's ignoring it and hoping that it (the question) just goes away also doesn't make me think its pro-town.
Tell me what you guys think of the Kat/PV slot?
Yes it's a scumlist. That doesn't make the other 11 town by default.
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Also: I call bullshit.
Deas didn't say he "knew" it was multiball, he said it's "very likely." That's speculation.
Here's mollie speculating multiball D1 in Red Wedding
Mollie is entirely correct when she says site meta points towards multiball.
Really not like this from you Nero.
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No, it's about Nero's position on Deas speculating multiball D1 as town. It's really really wrong and not in a town-Nero way.In post 530, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:is this about me not replying to you or something-
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you consider scum + SK to be multiball?In post 534, theloveofneroandmollie wrote:
HA!In post 529, Shadowy Poison wrote:Also: I call bullshit.
Deas didn't say he "knew" it was multiball, he said it's "very likely." That's speculation.
Here's mollie speculating multiball D1 in Red Wedding
Mollie is entirely correct when she says site meta points towards multiball.
There's a big difference between this game and red wedding. red wedding was based on a show/theme. Mollie is 100% correct that MB is very commom around here but those are usually in larger games.A 5/12 split seems reasonable for this size of game. A 5 man scum team or a 4 man team and a sk are both plausible."Speculating" on a 3 man/2 man split looks like inside info. Its completely reasonable to ask him why he has such a belief.-
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I think that nero/mollie is still really freaking town so I'm disengaging this 1v1 before it gets out of handIn post 510, Luna Lovegood wrote:
What are you thinking about this fine game we have going on in front of us?In post 484, Shadowy Poison wrote:
I guess I'll wait for the reason behind thisIn post 478, Luna Lovegood wrote:Vote: Shadowy Poison
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Town
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Luna Lovegood* (Nachomamma8/Andrius hydra)
Diabolik (replaced SleepyKrew)
Metal Unites Mutley* (Metal Sonic/Mutleyddmc hydra)
Null
Nani*
Dante
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra)
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Tracer, PV, and Viera move to the townish side of nullIn post 545, Shadowy Poison wrote:Null
Nani*
Dante
Rail Tracer (Xegarus/zMuffinMan hydra)
PeregrineV (replaced Katsuki)
Viera Assassin
Vifam*
mnemonicdevice
Tracer could be stronger I guess, Desp certainly thinks he's town and alot of his more recent posts cancel out alot of the reasons to why I thought he was scummy earlier-
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In post 556, Luna Lovegood wrote:
Talking with Mara there.In post 495, Shadowy Poison wrote:Huh? I don't understand what you meant here.
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and Desp is the one who voted Dopog not me? however I do agree with his suspicion there
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That is a shit-load of nulls
if you're going for a utility lynch, why are you trying to start a new wagon?
I think Nani is town, and Dopog is still scum
there are alot of useless this game, and I do admit that I havn't been at my best so far however
Tracer and Dopog are fairly decent utility lynches
Dia could be too, if he ever checks in
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Have you looked at the list I posted?
Desperado is scum-reading Molla and ooba, I have them both as town, ooba being a strong read for me and molla almost as strong.
Desperado has you as strong town, so while I'd be content with lynching you, desperado isn't. Vice versa with molla and ooba
we have individual thoughts, but ultimately we aren't going to lynch anyone that one of us has a town read on so that "list" of players would be reduced to 6, might even be less depending on how desp feels about some of my other choices
6 potential suspects out of 17 players overall isn't that bad
I wouldn't cry over Nani being lynched, but she is probably town which means I have better targets in mind
which brings it down to 5
also keep in mind that those are utility lynches to an extent, if I were to lynch my scum reads, it would be Pog, DV, and PB and Pog is the only strong read I have of those three
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Dante's mnem vote is awful, both justification and timing wise.
Nani is town if Dante flips scum. Do not get scum theater vibes from their recent spat.
@ Molla: Nothing more to talk about really, we already covered it. We can dance another day.
What the fuck is this shitIn post 623, DeasVail wrote:She was kind of scummy anyway (which isn't too bad since there isn't really anyone I feel excited about lynching), and if we lynch then it's one less replacement for the mods to find.
I'd be quite willing to go back to the PV wagon if that's needed though.
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we didn't consolidate Prior, but that doesn't mean we didn't do it after I became aware of the game?In post 604, Rail Tracer wrote:
ok. i was inferring that you don't consolidate reads before voting, and that your votes have nothing to do with what the other head thinks, particularly because desp's vote on dopog was apparently before you even knew the game had started.shadow wrote:we have individual thoughts, but ultimately we aren't going to lynch anyone that one of us has a town read on so that "list" of players would be reduced to 6, might even be less depending on how desp feels about some of my other choices
why am i a "utility" lynch?
further more, I havn't moved off the Dopog vote so, I probably agree with it
you are a utility lynch because I don't see you as very useful, and I stepped back on my scum-read on you (which was weak) because my partner has a stronger town read on you
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At what point in the game were you when this vote seemed like a good idea?In post 674, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Shadowy Poison
That vote is good for now. I may reconsider it upon further reading.
I was going to vote Dante but MD is voting Dante and it's completely against policy for me to sheep MD.
Yeah you'd much rather votepark on someone getting replaced. I look forward to your analysis of Mitillos' replace in.In post 677, DeasVail wrote:Dopog is an ok lynch, but there's nothing exciting there for me.
All three of these townreads are lazy as fuck. Quote Dante's best scumhunting efforts, explain how giving well-reasoned justifications and being prepared to reevalute reads = town, and show your work on dopog.In post 680, Mitillos wrote:Dante: Seems to be making a good effort to scumhunt. Some fluff and useless posts here and there, but otherwise seems alright.
Read: Town.
DeasVail: Makes clear reads and well-reasoned justifications. Is prepared to re-evaluate his reads.
Read: Town.
dopog: Liking his posts reasonably well. Also goes to the townpile.
Read: Town.
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1) Some links to all of the information you just gave me?In post 694, Mitillos wrote:1) @Shadow: Yes, they are lazy. But then, I did need to read through 27 pages and read 16 players, so what did you expect?
2) Re Dante: Post 55 (eliminate the WIFOM), his discussion with Nani (posts 638-645), some of his questions to Peace and Pere.
3) Re Deas: Giving well-reasoned justifications for your reads generally means they are coming from a town mindset (i.e. trying to find those who can be shown to be scum and convincing the rest of the town of this). Being prepared to reevaluate one's reads usually means you are open to arguments based on reasoning. This is also pro-town behaviour.
4) Re dopog: His posts with significant content (115 and 466) seem to me to be coming from a natural town thought process. Those are the ones I meant, when I said I liked his posts.
2) "Eliminate the WIFOM" = scumhunting??? And I got the exact opposite impression from his discussion with Nani. Dopog was a legitimate wagon at the time and Nani added her own bit scumhunting to it, then Dante attacks her for it and even says he "doesn't see the offense?" Which Nani brutally slapped down later with like half a dozen dopog posts that illustrate her point.
3) You're right, it is pro-town behavior. I contend that every player should be expected to behave in a pro-town manner, as it advances both factions towards their wincon. So how does appearing pro-town = actually being town? Having a lot of nice reasons for doing what you're doing and being prepared to reevaluate isn't enough.
4) You thought dopog responding to posts from page 7 on page 19 and then doing a bunch of fencesitting on recent events came from a natural town thought process? I also think his case on Rail was weak, and I don't like at all how he scumread Peace before voting Rail because his read there was much stroner, and then never following up on his questions to peace. At the time it read like scumreading a buddy and voting someone else, and his behavior regarding it since only reaffirms that impression.
1) What's there to say? We're town, we're townposting, and you're either town who correctly spotted us townposting, or scum who already knew we were town.In post 694, Mitillos wrote:My town-read on you is equally lazy. 1) Any particular reason you skipped that? 2) What do you think of Pere's claim? 3) You gave some names in what I believe were scumreads, earlier. Were those in order of strength, or just arbitrary?
2) I was never really interested in lynching Katsuki to begin with. Not at all surprised he was playing the way he was with a confirmable PR.
3) Rough order of strength.
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When did this happen
VOTE: Diabolik
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Look at Dante trying to look like he's doing something. Molla had just claimed his neighborhood 12 posts before.In post 891, Dante wrote:
Can anyone confirm they have daytalk?In post 833, PeaceBringer wrote:
that is a lie or you are paranoid...In post 830, RadiantCowbells wrote:I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.
In post 897, Rail Tracer wrote:i suppose bb could be scum who lied about being a naive cop because he didn't know what naive meant. he clearly didn't know what naive meant when he claimed.In post 898, Diabolik wrote:i don't think bb is so noob to slip like that?In post 899, Rail Tracer wrote:well he's either noob enough to both not read his role and not know what a naive cop is, orrrrrrrrrrrr he's noob enough to fake-claim that as scum.
in either case, the only thing we can know for sure is that he's a noob.
Was this muffin or xegarus?
Ooba you seem to be confused. Molla is towntowntown. Wanna help kill the bad guys now?In post 901, ooba wrote:
I'm not willing to setup speculate yet. If we take everything at claimed value, I have a problem with the timing of the claim:In post 885, ooba wrote:@BBMolla: Why did you claim when you did?
-> BB investigates RC in N1
--> He gets a guilty result . (He's stated in thread that he believes RC should be "fairly confirmed town" in the absence of a framer)
-> D2 starts. RC claims a guilty on Peacebringer.
Now put yourself in BB's place right now. Some one you believe is "fairly confirmed town" just claimed a guilty result. Why wouldn't I just lynch the target? Why would I claim at that point?
- It confuses everyone
- It narrows down the possible townies with "useful" power roles list for scum to target at night
Unvote. Vote: BBMolla
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Yeah, I have, I'm honestly not sure if even on EM cop sanity goes above framer though.In post 902, DeasVail wrote:The thing is though, I'm pretty sure BBmolla's played on EM a fair bit (I could be wrong though) and I think anyone from there would be quite familiar with the different kinds of cop, but again, I don't know.
I'm not stupid guys, I just forgot I was naive and assumed I was paranoid because of the guilty result. That's where you're getting the lapse in logic.
Like I said: Molla is town and you can take that to the bank.In post 912, BBmolla wrote:
I know what a naive cop isIn post 897, Rail Tracer wrote:i suppose bb could be scum who lied about being a naive cop because he didn't know what naive meant. he clearly didn't know what naive meant when he claimed.
I had a guilty so I tried to think of possibilities. Which, assuming it was wasn't a mod error as I did, would be:
-Framer frame going above sanity.
-Targetable Psychotrooper
-Secret Normaliser
The first option seemed most likely.
Can we all get back to hunting scum now? Peep the vote if you need a place to start.
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He explained why he thought RC was town in the post you quoted.In post 916, Rail Tracer wrote:
then why the fuck did you think getting a guilty on RC made RC near confirmed town?bb wrote:I know what a naive cop is
that to me suggests you thought naive meant insane. and the fact you didn't ask the mod about how the fuck you could get a guilty suggests you had no idea what naive means.
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In post 919, Rail Tracer wrote:
you claimed naive in the same post you claimed the guilty. so this obviously isn't true.bb wrote:I thought I was a paranoid cop due to my guilty result. Then one of my neigbbors mentioned they had a guilty in the hood. And then I rechecked, realized I was naive, and realized something wasn't right.
It's pretty obvious that all of this happened before he claimed. Notice how there wasn't even a hint of confusion in molla's claim post?
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Diabolik was actually saying this:In post 945, PeregrineV wrote:
Maybe I should translate Diabolik.In post 906, PeaceBringer wrote:In post 886, PeaceBringer wrote:
I would think so and that is what kept me from just saying lynch me on day one... it did seem like BBMolla is connected with someone and have him as town.In post 863, Diabolik wrote:IF u re networker this means there are town with a qt, unless u re a scum networker.so town with a qt should be able to confirm u ?
In post 863, Diabolik wrote:You claimed Networker. If you networked town last night, they should be able to verify they have a QT with you to confirm your claim. Who is the person that will confirm you have a QT with them?
"If you are a networker, that means there are town with a QT...unless you are a scum networker. So town with a QT should be able to confirm you?"
Peace doesn't network anyone, his ability is passive: as long as he's alive, all active QTs have daytalk. He says so right here:
How did you miss all this?In post 833, PeaceBringer wrote:
that is a lie or you are paranoid...In post 830, RadiantCowbells wrote:I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.
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What does this mean in terms of alignment to you?In post 933, Diabolik wrote:yeah he is flying too low.. for sure 1/2 scum ae lurking.
why do you say scum is lurking
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