Scummies Invitational 2012 (Game Over)

[Benmage]

I am NOT voting Benmage at this point. And before anyone pulls the majorly idiotic move and calls me scum for not countervoting, I was Town in Maf.Xenologue and didn't vote the blundering idiot who voted my slot in MyLo, even though I thought he was scum.

So.

Link it.

[Benmage]

Food for thought... we're missing an SK shot no?

I want to lynch you so badly for this one, Ben.

Why?

Because the guys who roleblocked Fate are scum, and they have Daytalk, and they chose to roleblock him again the following Night which meant that they suspected they got it right, and that post was made after Magua claimed the kill but before he claimed the flavor, so how did you even know that the missing one was the SK shot?

Mafia is typically shot....
You think I thought Magua was the SK, claiming killing cred D2

I said, "no" with a "?" to illustrate plausible shenanigans....

How are u remembering this? So long ago?/Bringing it up now??? Saving ammo in the scumqt for final days? Got it.

Sure, saving it from the scum QT! Or perhaps I just went through the game to see Reck's tracks and hit upon some things that at the time didn't seem relevant. Good job on pointless mudslinging, though!

So you wanted to lynch me so badly... but couldnt deduce the obvious answers I just gave you

Does 2+2 still = 4, or has something changed today?

I know its opposite day with Bulb, anything else random I'm missing?

[Benmage]

Where did Tierce run and hide to?

Scumqt? Sees ship sinking?

You still got a 3rd partner... comeback and play.

[Benmage]

Oh, believe me that I am beyond pissed off if you are Town. But I am past throwing a tantrum. I have better things to do with my life than expect you to be a good player, so.

On the other hand, I get the perfectly legitimate reason for never playing with you again if you're Town, because screw you for quickvoting in LyLo if you're Town~

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5277640

HAHAHAHAHH blacklist me for quickvoting lylo.

YOU"VE PLAYED YOUR SCUM META TO A T.

Go fuckurself and cry to someone else, you whiney bitch.

WAHHHH blacklisting for quick voting.

YOUVE DONE SHIT ALL GAME.

FUCK U

(not u the person, you the player in the game BECAUSE IT FCUKING BLOWS)

die bitch

[Benmage]

Where did Tierce run and hide to?

Scumqt? Sees ship sinking?

You still got a 3rd partner... comeback and play.

Fascinating on how you still post this after you have certainly seen me post in preview-edits.

Yes, Never in the history of this site has pedits ever not failed.

Oh wait.

[Benmage]

I'm done talking with Benmage. So!

Scum, if Benmage is Town, do us all a favor and end the game already so I don't need to play with someone who calls me "bitch" anymore. Between Benmages and Oversouls, this game's a real joy.

Coming from the person who blacklisted me.

I didnt call u a bitch... You the person might be lovely.

But the playerTierce in this game is a bitch for blacklisting me for quickvoting in lylo.

Tell me, did you blacklist Saki when she quickvoted you?

DO you blacklist everyone who has ever quickvoted in Lylo?

You recognize you played your scum Meta to a T this game.

This is the same shit I've seen from Reck a million times and I hope he's reading in the deadqt.

***HEY RECK!!

This is where I forgive Tierce postgame when she flips scum.

[Benmage]

Oh, believe me that I am beyond pissed off if you are Town. But I am past throwing a tantrum. I have better things to do with my life than expect you to be a good player, so.

On the other hand, I get the perfectly legitimate reason for never playing with you again if you're Town, because screw you for quickvoting in LyLo if you're Town~

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5277640

HAHAHAHAHH blacklist me for quickvoting lylo.

YOU"VE PLAYED YOUR SCUM META TO A T.

Go fuckurself and cry to someone else, you whiney bitch.

WAHHHH blacklisting for quick voting.

YOUVE DONE SHIT ALL GAME.

FUCK U

(not u the person, you the player in the game BECAUSE IT FCUKING BLOWS)

die bitch

Mhmm. Sure I have. Who caught Fate? With actual stuff, not with scum's roleblocks?

Who didn't quickhammer hito?

Who didn't vote Johhog?

Come talk to me about "doing nothing" in the game, because you've been toxic. My reads have been fine and your high horse is real cute.

Where have I been toxic???

After queen Wahmbulance complains SELECTIVELY about me quickvoting in lylo. Got it.

You've lurked this whole game. You've admitted... Oh NOW in lylo to save face you suddenly played a good game... got it.

[Benmage]

***And the game you just linked xenomafia post 1292 isn't the same as you didn't know how many scum remained.

We know exactly how many scum remain.

[Benmage]

Yeah, fuck off. I'm done. Vote me if you want, I have better ways to spend my night than deal with your bullshit.

What a classic excuse.

Can we lynch this yet?

Its gonna happen, so just do it now.

[Benmage]

^As in I've made the game a 1v1.. so lynch me or her, and lets go.

[Benmage]

unvote

[Benmage]

Go fuckurself.

You want to avoid playing with me. Don't ever play a faraday game again, as they constitute probably 90% of my games these days. I'll be more than happy with you avoiding me.

[Benmage]

I can't explain it, with out being sitebanned.

[Benmage]

But I probably found Tierce town..

So are u happy lld?

[Benmage]

vote Matias

[Benmage]

^I hope this means Tierce is still blacklisting me... Ihave no interest in playing with such a whiner ever again.

[Benmage]

Oh wait, is Matias blacklisted for how he opened the day??

Tierce's logic is so amazingly sound, I lovesssss it!!!!

[Benmage]

I'm happy you think Tierce is town now.

I'm less thrilled at how willing you were to vote her in LYLO.

She's lurked and been disconnected the entire game... never seen town tierce like that.

But her hissy-fit read genuine enough.

[Benmage]

(damnityoudon'tgettobethebiggerperson)

JSHFKJHFk

I'm sorry Tierce.

[Benmage]

WOAH the sitemust've done a time warp again.

I apologized before Tierce DID!!

YOU ALL SAW THAT *waves hand like a jedi*

[Benmage]

Well atleast I read you town now.

I remember one time I faked a guilty on Faraday. He wasn't very happy. But I ended with a townread on him.

So there's usually a method.

[Benmage]

Or is it a madness, Benmage. We'll never know.

Anyways bro, don't second guess yourself.

You, me OS, Tierce...

You were right.... It must be Matias, singer, bulb.

How cray cray.

[Benmage]

And I think I've figured it out. I'll wait until Singer posts, but I'm probably going to vote Ben.

Yes, well... you don't have a choice now.

[Benmage]

OHHH THIS IS A GEM!!!


Bulb lynches me over the confirmed Matais....

WHere BULB gets to become a DOCTOR!!

WHERE LLD GETS TO LIVE!!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LLD!! You get to live to tomorrow!!!!! you can gun singer. We get to win!

[Benmage]

LLD! Celebrate your survival with me

[Benmage]

Bulb, wants the game to end today.

The most logical NK is LLD.

It sin't as gemful as I orignally thought because singer is the obvious last partner anyways.

BUTTTTTT LLD gets to lvie nevertheless.

Bulb is the backup doc!

He can't shoot LLD... HE MUST protect LLD!!! anything else is a scum claim.

And bulb is going to try and wine n dine everyone tomorrow that I am scum... or wine n dine them today, but etc

[Benmage]

LLD has dropped a gagillion towntells.... If LLD is scum, I want him to win.

Is anyone losing sleep with OS being NK'd?

LLD gets to live! Get your party hat!

[Benmage]

Plus LLD wants to lynch Bulb, and Bulb knows this.

I can feel the steam rising off his head.

(the scum are angary)

[Benmage]

Benmage, please unvote. The only people who should be voting at this point, if any, are LLD and Matias. You're opening the door to a quickhammer.

You, me, LLD, OS... If LLD is lying, LLD gets to win.

You should vote with me.

[Benmage]

Bulb, you don't have CES's doc?

[Benmage]

You, me, LLD, OS... If LLD is lying, LLD gets to win.

You, me, LLD, OS... If LLD is lying, LLD gets to win.

You, me, LLD, OS... If LLD is lying, LLD gets to win.

Come on Tierce... its more fun livin on the edge.

PEDIT: HELLZ YA I DO

[Benmage]

Bulb, you don't have CES's doc?

CES had a 1-shot ability, which he used. Since it's already used up, I don't inherit it. Hence why I'm convinced there's a scum doc.

Did he just claim scum?

He must've with the way Singers backup shit worked....

[Benmage]

Bulb, you don't have CES's doc?

CES had a 1-shot ability, which he used. Since it's already used up, I don't inherit it. Hence why I'm convinced there's a scum doc.

Did he just claim scum?

He must've with the way Singers backup shit worked....

[Benmage]

unvote Vote BULB

YOU CAN DO IT TIERCE... FEEL THE POWAH

[Benmage]

Bulb, you don't have CES's doc?

CES had a 1-shot ability, which he used. Since it's already used up, I don't inherit it. Hence why I'm convinced there's a scum doc.

Did he just claim scum?

Where do you get that? If X-shots are already used up, I don't get them.

I've never heard of that.

[Benmage]

Tell me, LLD is scum... my hats off if thats true.

[Benmage]

Fair enough, neither bulb nor I was both making it to endgame.

LLD, claiming on partner for credability... cray cray.

You 2 totes deserve this.

Singer, you got carried.

[Benmage]

Tierce... no way was LLD losing this game.

[Benmage]

You guys are idiots...

Tell me how I am scum again.

[Benmage]

Damn claims! Scum have such advantages in mafia...post 2602

How the hell was 5 scum balanced again?

What power did you have?

[Benmage]

No you fucking don't you mother fucker. You guys had every opportunity to lynch me four days in a row and didn't because I played to my town as fuck meta. I never once lied about what I was doing or what I knew, except for Nacho, which caused at least three people to town read the shit out of me so you're not taking this away from me, no sir.

Is your town meta good?

Just because you sign up for a game, and exist in it whatever the ending is doesn't mean you did well.

Outside of your claim Shenanigans... I don't remember one memorable point you made.

To close.

You got carried.

[Benmage]

1v5v14 town... How?

[Benmage]

Yes, singer tho.... You played your style of game very well.

Which is not a LEADER style. Therefore you were mainly an after-thought throughout the game.

LLD's gunsmith claim + mad genuine shit, and faking a guilty on a partner... Straight A's.
Matias played full town mode all throughout save the end, which is almost a necessity considering the other option is busing.

The setup... ehhh

DV, OS... MYSELF... MevBulb = a town loss no matter which way you cut it.

[Benmage]

The scum all played very well.

The town helped loss... Hell at one point I self voted with CES and Hito voting me, cause defeat was eminent.

[Benmage]

Benmage, singer, please stop. You're right, Benmage--she's not a leader, but she doesn't need to be. We've seen Towns and scumteams made of leaders only and they are unbearable.

I didn't mean that as a DIg... 2nd reading it, does read that way... I meant her playstyle as town and or scum is just not the leader-like driver style.

Way to many TvT... Ferei and Bulb.

Ya GG.

TY zor???

ZOR 5 SCUM!!!! Da faq?

[Benmage]

ZOR 5 SCUM!!!! Da faq?

We were told in advance. This is a Scummies invitational, after all--we're expected to put on a good show, and the scum were not immune to investigations or to crosskills.

Ya, but had amazing claimsthemselves.

I don't think I've ever seen a 5 scum in 20 game before... let alone 6 nontown vs 14 town.

Swing mechanics for sure.

Good players on town, scummies.. okay... good players on scum equally so. And scum game is easy they have the inside info.

Zor has the statistics that 20% of Large Themes town win. 20%%%%%%%%% Town win. They also obviously had Day talk..

Come the fuck on.

I don't care about wins or losses, as town because its so far from your individual hands its ridic... But I atleast want to know the game was balanced.

[Benmage]

And now?

[Benmage]

depends if Oversoul is a 1 shot vig like we think he is.

I think it's a little town sided, but balanced.

Fair enough.

Ok.

Personally, I'd call this one of the worst balanced games I've seen in a while. I felt so way back in D1... and I think it holds true. Lots of town power... Great its bound to die at/die without revealing results/aide scum (if sk's help town, vigs typically help scum)/+scum numbers(sum have way more knowledge of how to manipulate and bend a game)/+scum powerroles and their ability to easily hide amongst all the town power causing tons of wtf/+daytalk.

One of the worst balanced gamed I've seen in a while. But hey thats just my opinion, So to each their own

I mean... to conclude the sheer swingy-ness of the mechanics of this game. I don't know how you can call it balanced... If anything call it a bastard game with all the mechanics going on. Again... just my opinion.

[Benmage]

If anyone knows, out of sheer curiosity, a game on this site which featured a 5 man scum team and only 14 townies??

[Benmage]

Not unlycnhable..and you control 5 votes!! 5 VOTES WITH DAYTALK~!!

Yes swingy-ness... Thats my point. Imagine the SK doulbe shot town before we found out who he was/you found out via RBs/ we lynched the SK. I mean helloooo swingyness

I don't want this to sound SOUR. As I don't ever care about town losses, like I said individually you makeup significantly less of an impact, and there's the site wide LG theme stat of 20% win rate.. so it is what it is.



Mini soap box:
I wanted to make a MD-thread on winrates in general as I think town in some version win 40%, and scum 60% (mini normals I think, maybe in general I forget).. Anyways this is accepted as being acceptable. I'm leaning to it being unacceptable, and that the reverse shoudl be true. 75% of a game should be winning more often than not. How much happier would the site be in general if 75% of the player base in a game statistically won 60% v 40% of the time.. MAKE scum the challenge.. let alone the 20% large theme... I digress

[Benmage]

Can I mention again how hilarious (and skillful!) Magua's flavor trick was?

His attempt to lure a scum shot, was BRILLIANT

[Benmage]

And we had to lynch 6 townies and the SK to win?

Statistically you could've won with 3.5/D4.

[Benmage]

Isn't there a MD-thread, or some known ideology that says too many roles are bad for town? (im blanking, about to crash)

[Benmage]

Oversoul, you make one solid reads list in the 10th hour of the game where you yourself admit it could be anyone/look at it through a different angle...yet you're gloating????

Let's look at it like this: You were confirmed town after N1, and were endgammed because??? You weren't deemed a threat. My sentiment reflects LLD's.

[Benmage]

I have no issues with it

[Benmage]

Oversoul, you make one solid reads list in the 10th hour of the game where you yourself admit it could be anyone/look at it through a different angle...yet you're gloating????

Let's look at it like this: You were confirmed town after N1, and were endgammed because??? You weren't deemed a threat. My sentiment reflects LLD's.

You voted before I had a chance to post the final day, which was going to be a vote on Matias.

Okay?

We still would've lost.... if not this day, someday, to LLD...

[Benmage]

ScumQT please.

[Benmage]

And tierce passes my test

[Benmage]

I don't want to badmouth my player list or anything, but there's kind of a difference between Scummies Winners and Mafia All-Stars.

For what it's worth, I think having lots of strong mafia players is good, but having a lot of strong mafia players who are strong in the same way is bad.

Lol, so true.

And I've always assumed SK's, like scum can choose if they wish to kill or not.

[Benmage]

Too many carries, not enough support, no farm, gg

Also, I really don't think the issue for town was too many All-Stars.

This town was no stronger than many popular modded games, like Faradays.