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Cabd said "buddying." you said "buddying." I said buddying. it was the buzzword. in short, I don't want you two doing it, because I feel it's easily manipulable.In post 115, fferyllt wrote:
You agreed with Cabd's characterization in post 110, so I used it with scarequotes. "buddying" is not how I'd describe how Cabd and I interact during the early days of a new game.In post 112, T S O wrote:When did I ever say it was buddying?-
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I feel abrasiveness usually helps in a quick transit from RVS.In post 139, Espeonage wrote:I was reading back over what I missed while sleeping and was about to make a post about TSB taking his head out of his ass and actually being helpful, but I guess I can skip that now.
Why do you think that?In post 143, Tammy wrote:
Pjovek is perfectly capable of trolling as scum.In post 71, projectmatt wrote:I could care less if Pjovek is disruptive, he's probably not mafia. Bad wagon.
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I get the feeling she feels obliged to do it without actually feeling the vibe, and that's why it's so weak.In post 206, Cabd wrote:That is one of the weakest paranoia-of-cabd posts i've ever seen from you. Ever. I like my vote.-
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I think you're Town, I think Katsuki is scum, I think Chamber's Town and I think people like Dr. Cirno need to post for me to get a read on them.In post 203, CrashTextDummie wrote:
I don't trust anyone's meta on Pjovek. Projectmatt's page 3 read of him is suspect to me. Same goes for TSO's page 5 read. Both players were denouncing the wagon without proposing an alternative. TSO is still not voting. Neither player has shown any interest in figuring out players or moving the game along. TSO gets bonus scum-points for threatening to vig an alleged town read.
unvote, vote: TSO
Empire, what's your read on Tammy so far?
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I'll show you in a while, but read the rest of this page. As soon as I called her scum, she embarked on a voyage of discrediting me.In post 238, Unmasked Kit wrote:
How interesting. Why?In post 226, T S O wrote:I think Katsuki is scum
I don't have meta of Katsuki, but I've seen her as scum and she's pretty blatant as that alignment. If you want to see the game, you can.
Do you think she's scum?
Take one player out of the list of four I mentioned, and try to subtly discredit me by linking him with me?In post 240, Katsuki wrote:
Just as intersting.In post 233, T S O wrote:people I will read but won't now: Mindgamer
God, you're so scum.
So your mind is closed?In post 242, Pjovek wrote:
I'm the most open-minded guy in the world.In post 236, T S O wrote:I will, but if I'm going to you need to be open to change, as opposed to tunnelling on your former scumread anyway.
Quote me the case you made already.
My mind is as open as a lady's legs when she sees my sex appeal.
How many people did you ask about me ever since I called you scum?In post 247, Katsuki wrote:Chamber, what do you think of TSO?
Why are you scumreading Pjovek again?In post 257, Tammy wrote:Giving a cautios early town read to tso due to his paranoia of me. I'd probably just read him as solid town for it but several recent games have had scum refusing to read me due to "paranoia" so.
Also,
VOTE: mindgamer
Helping and cuz pjosleazejek is opposed.
Taking the part where TSO looks Town out of your read, do you think he's Town?In post 260, Katsuki wrote:
Taking the above out of consideration, would you still read him as town based on the rest of his play?In post 257, Tammy wrote:Giving a cautios early town read to tso due to his paranoia of me. I'd probably just read him as solid town for it but several recent games have had scum refusing to read me due to "paranoia" so.
What is this?
Katsuki doesn't like one of Espeonage or Pjovek being pressured. Thanks, Katsuki.
Could you stop commenting on activity every page? You're trying to make it seem like you're the only one interested here, and that makes me think you're overenthusiastic scum.In post 295, Pjovek wrote: The general lack in this game suggests somthing particular, but it's not the time to say what it is...
So boring.
You Town-looking bastard you.In post 296, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It's mindgamer. We should lynch mindgamer.-
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please baby post pleaseIn post 335, Llamarble wrote:Are we voting somebody for not fulfilling catchup promises? Because we probably shouldn't do that.
Cirno tends to be less than useful though.
I'll take a look at this in a bit; it seems mercifully short but possibly not sufficiently invigorating?-
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Why are you asking your scumread why you're voting them, and why are you doing it in a cynical, time-wasting manner?In post 453, Cabd wrote:Wrong. Two more tries.
A shameless vote hop, I just don't get it.
I want to name this guy Supersaint because I don't want him lynched ever ever ever just for this.In post 471, Espeonage wrote:Unvote
I'll come up with a better spot for this vote later, it really didn't serve its purpose where it was.
Tammy is still my biggest read, empire pings me as pretty terrible for not mentioning at all where his scum reads lie. However I'm not seeing this supposed empire/tammy thing that Llama seems to.
I get the impression that one of Cabd and ffery is scum, but I really can't point out which one. One is stringing along another to stay away from having to engage with the rest of the game, just not sure which way that goes. And I want this isolated banter to end. So if you are the townie in that couple, please make an active attempt to get into the gritty of todays play. If only so we can get a good read on the other.
Outside of them, I'm not getting anything bigger than little pings from various people for isolated reasons. Still not happy with Mindgamer, I'm hoping ABR gets more interested closer to deadline otherwise he's pinging me, I have no read whatsoever on Project thus far. Everyone else is sitting in my town to townish pool.
I told you Tammy, it used to work. It doesn't anymore.In post 474, Tammy wrote:Okay I thought the ffery/cabd dance would be interesting, but it's not.-
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I do both, simultaneously. It doesn't work, but good times are always had.In post 436, Tammy wrote:
I'd rather be playing video games than catching up with mafia after the week I've had. Is that alignment indicative?In post 303, Cabd wrote:Tammy. Hey tammy. The question was posed such that "is this something unique to her town game" was sufficiently disproved with a link to a scumgame where you did the behavior. Get over it. All this bitching about how this is so obviously town you is so alignment non-indicative anyways.
Skyrim. It's not just a cliché, it's great great great.In post 439, Tammy wrote:Well some guy I met at the game store tonight recommended dragon age so it's either that or assassin's creed or skyrim cuz I need to kill some dragon dude.
Thank you.In post 468, Pjovek wrote:
Something might have come out of it 10 pages ago but now they're just repeating the same meta shit over and over without ever saying anything so it's just clutter by nowIn post 457, Llamarble wrote:It's good to have things going on in parallel.
Tammy-Empire ought to bring good things, and ffery-cabd also seems to be leading to good things.
If you're feeling left out, you could keep attacking Chamber-town for a while until we lynch you for it?
LIAR LIAR LIARIn post 476, Tammy wrote:
I'm just going to go with you're not allowed to give reads on me anymore.In post 420, Llamarble wrote: Tammy
HUUUUUU
I would not have expected those two to come in at the bottom tier pregame <_<
Maybe their scumgames are actually as weak as they always claim
I'd kinda expect them to have fun as scum if scum together though, so it seems more likely the lack of a TAMMYPIRE is a 1town-1scum.
dude you have no idea how weak my scum game is.
I'd imagine if we ever got to be scum together we'd just bus each other because fuck win conditions, bragging rights last forever!
Your scum game actually has me paranoid so I want to call you Town but I'm so scared of doing it because it's like when I sorta thought Tierce was scum but "town" Tammy led me away subtly and I knew Tierce was scum but my townread manipulated me and I felt so used and I don't know where this is going but I basically want to explain to the game how dangerous you are.-
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A start I never finished. I'll deliver, then we'll lynch scum.In post 297, T S O wrote:
I'll show you in a while, but read the rest of this page. As soon as I called her scum, she embarked on a voyage of discrediting me.In post 238, Unmasked Kit wrote:
How interesting. Why?In post 226, T S O wrote:I think Katsuki is scum
I don't have meta of Katsuki, but I've seen her as scum and she's pretty blatant as that alignment. If you want to see the game, you can.
Do you think she's scum?
Take one player out of the list of four I mentioned, and try to subtly discredit me by linking him with me?In post 240, Katsuki wrote:
Just as intersting.In post 233, T S O wrote:people I will read but won't now: Mindgamer
God, you're so scum.
So your mind is closed?In post 242, Pjovek wrote:
I'm the most open-minded guy in the world.In post 236, T S O wrote:I will, but if I'm going to you need to be open to change, as opposed to tunnelling on your former scumread anyway.
Quote me the case you made already.
My mind is as open as a lady's legs when she sees my sex appeal.
How many people did you ask about me ever since I called you scum?In post 247, Katsuki wrote:Chamber, what do you think of TSO?
Why are you scumreading Pjovek again?In post 257, Tammy wrote:Giving a cautios early town read to tso due to his paranoia of me. I'd probably just read him as solid town for it but several recent games have had scum refusing to read me due to "paranoia" so.
Also,
VOTE: mindgamer
Helping and cuz pjosleazejek is opposed.
Taking the part where TSO looks Town out of your read, do you think he's Town?In post 260, Katsuki wrote:
Taking the above out of consideration, would you still read him as town based on the rest of his play?In post 257, Tammy wrote:Giving a cautios early town read to tso due to his paranoia of me. I'd probably just read him as solid town for it but several recent games have had scum refusing to read me due to "paranoia" so.
What is this?
Katsuki doesn't like one of Espeonage or Pjovek being pressured. Thanks, Katsuki.
Could you stop commenting on activity every page? You're trying to make it seem like you're the only one interested here, and that makes me think you're overenthusiastic scum.In post 295, Pjovek wrote: The general lack in this game suggests somthing particular, but it's not the time to say what it is...
So boring.
You Town-looking bastard you.In post 296, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It's mindgamer. We should lynch mindgamer.-
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Want to see another reason Katsuki is scum? He twists facts to suit his shit.In post 573, Katsuki wrote:
hueIn post 568, Pjovek wrote:10/10 would lynch katsuki over TSO
you should see the game where I won as scum over TSO. His play there was completely different, as is mine here. Probably has to do with an alignment swap.
His push here is insincere at best, and pretty much BS.
The one game I played with Katsuki, his playwas exactly the same as here.Lurked like fuck and let town get each other hung. He is not a subtle scumplayer.
My play was different because Saki antagonised me to the point of force-replacement. Katsuki doesn't mention this, because it suits his agenda to change facts to suit his agenda.
Damn straight.In post 574, Pjovek wrote:But he does more than just lurk until he's getting called out and then only appearing to defend himself in the worst way possible.-
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I'd ask anyone townreading Katsuki to stop telling me his previous slot was Town and click his ISO. As soon as I called him scum, he got paranoid as fuck, because he thought his slot was in the clear. He's done everything in his power to discredit me, such as
-Vaguely linking me with scum suspects
-Hyperinteraction about me
-Telling me if I keep pressing him I'll get a bullet. I don't think this is a Vig softclaim, so what? Is he claiming scum?
-Twisting of meta.
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Elaborate, because it seems you're talking out of your ass.In post 590, Cephrir wrote:A lot more, your argument is terrible.-
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I don't believe that Katsuki just called me confscum if MG is and you asked him what he fucking thought of BBMolla?In post 606, fferyllt wrote:
Ok.In post 604, Katsuki wrote:
The BS he's spewing this game is insincere, and if anything he's the one twisting stuff. Cephir's already said a lot on how my play does not match what TSO has been making my play out to be.In post 600, fferyllt wrote:
Katsuki saying his play in this game is different isn't really fact twisting IMO. But, it's on him to explain what is different, not just to call it different.In post 588, T S O wrote:
Want to see another reason Katsuki is scum? He twists facts to suit his shit.In post 573, Katsuki wrote:
hueIn post 568, Pjovek wrote:10/10 would lynch katsuki over TSO
you should see the game where I won as scum over TSO. His play there was completely different, as is mine here. Probably has to do with an alignment swap.
His push here is insincere at best, and pretty much BS.
The one game I played with Katsuki, his playwas exactly the same as here.Lurked like fuck and let town get each other hung. He is not a subtle scumplayer.
My play was different because Saki antagonised me to the point of force-replacement. Katsuki doesn't mention this, because it suits his agenda to change facts to suit his agenda.
Also,@Katsukiwhat makes you feel that a huge kerfuffle between Saki and TSO in another game makes that game a good baseline for town TSO? I've played a few games with TSO, and this game looks pretty town. I haven't played a game with him as scum though. I've done a recent meta dive, and the two scum games I looked at were inconclusive. They were very different from each other, and both games had some commonalities with his town play. I may write this up in more detail later but probably not unless my read grows uncertain.
I brought it up because he said that was the basis for your calling his play different in this game. What did made him town in that game?Also, the fight between saki and TSO is irrelevant to anything and I'm not sure why you're bringing it up? (It's not what made him town, and not the difference between his play here and there that's alignment indicative )
What are your thougts about BBmolla?@Cephir: The mindgamer post was more so, TSO had mentioned mindgamer before, then when the wagon happened, he decided to stick mindgamer in null and say "I'll read later" (when his iso consisted of maybe 5 posts at most). Line of thinking there was, if mindgamer is scum, TSO is conf scum based on numerous factors of his play.-
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"I didn't have sex with her last night."In post 595, Cephrir wrote:
Alright, well you're gonna need to quote for me where he's twisting this but I'll assume it did happen; the fact remains that your play wouldIn post 588, T S O wrote:Want to see another reason Katsuki is scum? He twists facts to suit his shit.
The one game I played with Katsuki, his playwas exactly the same as here.Lurked like fuck and let town get each other hung. He is not a subtle scumplayer.
My play was different because Saki antagonised me to the point of force-replacement. Katsuki doesn't mention this, because it suits his agenda to change facts to suit his agenda.
thus have been different in the two games. Omission is not lying.
...I just fucked her every night before that.
How is blatant omission in any way okay? You're trying far too hard.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29888In post 595, Cephrir wrote:@bold: Let's be clear that this is pretty much the only thing you've said about meta- you're telling me he lurks as scum. I'll believe this when you give me links. There is nothing terribly 'unsubtle' about lurking, and I believe I've seen him lurk as town.
Go back and read before being snarky. I said that his scum play was very unsubtle, not his lurking. Which, coincidentally, is also very unsubtle. So, wrong on all accounts there, Ceph my boy.
And I don't particularly care for you "believing anything." Strong evidence or get out.
Except where she said my play was different and didn't explain the circumstances, which is blatantly twisting.In post 595, Cephrir wrote:In post 589, T S O wrote:I'd ask anyone townreading Katsuki to stop telling me his previous slot was Town and click his ISO. As soon as I called him scum, he got paranoid as fuck, because he thought his slot was in the clear. He's done everything in his power to discredit me, such as
-Vaguely linking me with scum suspects
-Hyperinteraction about me
-Telling me if I keep pressing him I'll get a bullet. I don't think this is a Vig softclaim, so what? Is he claiming scum?
-Twisting of meta.
How much more do you need to put this fucker's coffin 6 feet under?
I said "Stop replying to my case with the justification that TSB looked town."In post 595, Cephrir wrote:I'm not going to stop telling you The Silver Bard was town. You don't get to sweep things under the rug like that.
You said "I will not stop telling you that!"
Come. on.
It's pretty bare. That's an understatement. There is fucking nothing there, except Beetlejuice and scumminess.In post 595, Cephrir wrote:I'm looking at his iso right now. The first thing that sticks out to me is that it's pretty bare, yes. I also notice his response in 298 to your 297, in which you accuse Katsuki of going on a 'voyage of discrediting' you. Looking at all his posts before that, there isliterally nothingin the way of discrediting you, so your initial accusation would appear to be completely fabricated. So he says it's "interesting" that you wanted to take a look at Mindgamer. Who cares? Why did you need to get so defensive about it? There are much better arguments you could be making here, for instance, Katsuki is being extremely opaque about his suspects. Instead of commenting on this though you have chosen to tilt at windmills.
And no, you're wrong yet again. I listed four people I did not have a read on. He took the heavily suspected player out of the list, and instead of then accusing me, said "Interesting" in an attempt to be sinister.
It's like 3 scumtells mixed into one shitty scummy post.
And the faults you name are playstyle faults of Katsuki's, not scumtells. Keep going, Ceph.
"Yes, he is vaguely linking you with scum suspects. That's not scummy at all."In post 595, Cephrir wrote:Yes, he is vaguely linking you with scum suspects a little. Why is that scummy? You also claim he's 'hyperinteracted' with you. If anything the opposite seems to be the case as he seems to be asking others about you and avoiding interacting with you.
How the fuck is that not scummy, Cephrir? I don't believe you're so thick as to miss this.
Perhaps I phrased the last part wrong. Ever since I posted about him being scum, he hyperinteracted with others about me, despite showing no interest in me until then.
It's pretty obviously not. Stop trying to fucking cover her on PR softclaims.In post 595, Cephrir wrote:-It's pretty obviously a vig softclaim.
In post 595, Cephrir wrote:-No meta appears to have been twisted.
PEdit: No, that's not all I have to say on ...dismantling my case? You poked a hole or two. Go back and redefine "dismantling", because that sure isn't it.-
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That was the intention, yes.In post 613, fferyllt wrote:
I'm working to get a better picture of Katsuki's thought process. His read of you is a piece of the puzzle.In post 610, T S O wrote: I don't believe that Katsuki just called me confscum if MG is and you asked him what he fucking thought of BBMolla?
Are you trying to figure out if I agree with that read?
Good as that sounds, it's irrelevant unless you quote examples and explain. I doubt you'll do that, seeing as you won't be able to, but I'll throw down the gauntlet anyway.In post 614, Katsuki wrote:
Now you have him putting words in my mouth.In post 606, fferyllt wrote:
I brought it up because he said that was the basis for your calling his play different in this game. What did made him town in that game?Also, the fight between saki and TSO is irrelevant to anything and I'm not sure why you're bringing it up? (It's not what made him town, and not the difference between his play here and there that's alignment indicative )
The biggest difference I would say is the degree of genuineness. You could see his townie intent that game. Aka, the motivation behind his posts there was townmotivated, where as here it drips scum intent.
lol i dno one joke post yay hes town!In post 614, Katsuki wrote:
I dunno he can be town for the hearthstone post.ffrey wrote:
What are your thougts about BBmolla?@Cephir: The mindgamer post was more so, TSO had mentioned mindgamer before, then when the wagon happened, he decided to stick mindgamer in null and say "I'll read later" (when his iso consisted of maybe 5 posts at most). Line of thinking there was, if mindgamer is scum, TSO is conf scum based on numerous factors of his play.
I've never felt my personality really obscures my alignment. What do you mean?In post 659, BBmolla wrote:ABR I guess. Don't really feel the TSO vote anymore, I'm having a hard time reading his play behind his personality.-
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Do you agree with my read on him?
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